Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock

[Chapingro]

damn man, i'm tempted to go but i'm no journalist. someone should for sure go and just write up at least a report on it for the slap forum.

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any update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond.  i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?

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next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.

anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?

http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/

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I back this but its starting to become painfully obvious that skate media outlets, excluding Mackenzie's ig post, aren't going to touch this with a ten foot stick. If it doesn't sell a product and has the potential to burn bridges within the industry then they have almost no incentive to cover it. I hope they prove me wrong and step the fuck up though.

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While I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.

[Surf-goth]

Similar charges almost got me significant time in prison.

Same. They threatened 2-10 years Texas state prison

[TheLurper]

Tony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.

What kind of legal liability does a film producer have (Stephen McClintock has the same credit in the video)? Do you think Vitello's producer credit was legit or a symbolic credit (as a thank you)?

It'll be interesting what happens after the criminal trial wraps up and the civil trials begin.

The more I think it about it the more I think this could be an interesting situation for a mag to cover like a legit organization would cover a similar event. I mean having someone just report what happened in court would be interesting, and an interview with a lawyer who could explain what the hell is happening and could happen in the future would be awesome.

[billy.pepperidge]

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Similar charges almost got me significant time in prison.

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Same. They threatened 2-10 years Texas state prison

How did you avoid it?

[planman]

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Similar charges almost got me significant time in prison.

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Same. They threatened 2-10 years Texas state prison

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How did you avoid it?

I'm telling the county jail you have internet access, Jesse

[Surf-goth]

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Similar charges almost got me significant time in prison.

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Same. They threatened 2-10 years Texas state prison

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How did you avoid it?

My lawyer got me probation since it was my first serious offense

Edit : they also made me go to rehab

[shit_for_brains]

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Similar charges almost got me significant time in prison.

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Same. They threatened 2-10 years Texas state prison

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How did you avoid it?

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My lawyer got me probation since it was my first serious offense

Edit : they also made me go to rehab

My case started to get problematic and fell apart for the DA. Witnesses changed stories, some plaintiffs became unreachable, some misconduct from the prosecution towards the court, and the detectives were more on my side. After about a year and tens of thousands of my dollars it was dismissed.

[EastKremer]

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Similar charges almost got me significant time in prison.

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Same. They threatened 2-10 years Texas state prison

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How did you avoid it?

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I'm telling the county jail you have internet access, Jesse

I know its a serious legal trouble post and i hope good and justice to the skateboarder but that was a 9 club joke lol

[tom]

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Tony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.

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What kind of legal liability does a film producer have (Stephen McClintock has the same credit in the video)? Do you think Vitello's producer credit was legit or a symbolic credit (as a thank you)?

It'll be interesting what happens after the criminal trial wraps up and the civil trials begin.

The more I think it about it the more I think this could be an interesting situation for a mag to cover like a legit organization would cover a similar event. I mean having someone just report what happened in court would be interesting, and an interview with a lawyer who could explain what the hell is happening and could happen in the future would be awesome.

There’s very little precedent for a films executive producer being held accountable criminally(Midnight Rider), but producers get sued in civil cases when injuries happen during film production

[Hevonen]

No way any skate media is gonna report on this. No one would benefit from it, just risk burning bridges. There isn't a news outlet in skateboarding, it's all jokes mixed with a few subtle redbull chugs.

Have any of the seven other guys been identified and charged with anything yet?

[BacksideWallride]

Has this been brought up? How and when was Jesse arrested? Was it on the spot or fleeing from it? Ratted out and took from his apartment via a warrant? Turn himself in? Weird 7 others got away who were also fighting but Jesse somehow the only one caught?

[shit_for_brains]

Has this been brought up? How and when was Jesse arrested? Was it on the spot or fleeing from it? Ratted out and took from his apartment via a warrant? Turn himself in? Weird 7 others got away who were also fighting but Jesse somehow the only one caught?

It happened on Thanksgiving and that image on the other page says he was booked December 10. He probably got a lawyer then turned himself in.

[metsuri]

No way any skate media is gonna report on this. No one would benefit from it, just risk burning bridges. There isn't a news outlet in skateboarding, it's all jokes mixed with a few subtle redbull chugs.

Have any of the seven other guys been identified and charged with anything yet?

Obviously the police must know at this point who the others are. if Jesse gets all these heavy charges, I'm sure they've worked out by now who his friends were. I don't think the "I have no idea who they were, just met them" excuse is gonna run.

[Fred Savage]

Og poster appears to be a snitch

[cloudy]

No way any skate media is gonna report on this. No one would benefit from it, just risk burning bridges. There isn't a news outlet in skateboarding, it's all jokes mixed with a few subtle redbull chugs.

although i generally agree with you, there have been a few exceptions. as has already been mentioned in this thread, mackenzie eisenhour, the associate editor at transworld, did post what he called a "PSA" on his instagram. in addition, skate newswire, the people that bring you the "mission statement" podcast, did publish this story on january 5 - https://skatenewswire.com/jesse-vieira-black-rock-security-guard-assault/.

although the skate newswire story is kind of "the-least-you-can-do"-type of story, it was all i really expected when i suggested that someone head to the court this friday to provide a recap. covering the story doesn't necessarily mean you have to provide your opinion on it, but i do understand that, as far as the skateboarding industry is concerned, simply providing an unbiased report on such a hot-button issue could constitute "bridge burning." all i was thinking is that it'd be nice if we didn't have to rely on abc7 or nbc bay area for updates on the case. (ridiculous that for the first couple stories we had to read "ABC7 News was the only crew on the scene.") plus, a skateboarder would be able to offer insight that these mainstream media outlets couldn't, such as who, if any, other skateboarders were in attendance. could maybe even get some pull quotes from jesse's friends, since they, understandably, seem very reticent to offer up any sound bites to the tv stations.

oh, and also some outlet by the name of boardstation.de put out this - http://www.boardstation.de/2018/12/19/jesse-vieira-pro-fahrer-wegen-schweren-angriff-auf-sf-security-guard-in-haft-keine-kaution/. not sure how big these guys are in germany, but at least it's something.

edit: now seeing that the nine club donated to dan jansen's gofundme. good on them. maybe that's not skate media "reporting" on the issue, but it does demonstrate solidarity.

[slobplant]

They brought it up on The Nine Club Experience, talked about Dan and his injury, mentioned Jesse, said there was no available video to watch and the court probably had it sealed or something stupid. Kelly says something like "That kickflip 5050 though." Then Chris Roberts goes on to say some two sides to every story shit.

[Alan]

They brought it up on The Nine Club Experience, talked about Dan and his injury, mentioned Jesse, said there was no available video to watch and the court probably had it sealed or something stupid. Kelly says something like "That kickflip 5050 though." Then Chris Roberts goes on to say some two sides to every story shit.

Watson joked about this, but damn, parody is unnecessary with these idiots.

[UK TM]

If this happened in the entertainment industry and swept under the rug by magazines/news outlets for risk of burning bridges in this day and age, I'm pretty sure people would be outraged and think it was shity of those who swept it under the rug?
Might piss a couple of advertisers off but not reporting it might make people think you're a bit weak and not relevant if you don't report something like this?
Any brand pissed off about someone reporting on that whole thing maybe needs to realise the severity of it and the effect on the guys life & family for the rest of his life before being pissed of about a mag reporting about it. It's not a reflection of a brand, 1 rider doesn't make a brand and it's not like they're going to condone it themselves.

[Get the strap]

They brought it up on The Nine Club Experience, talked about Dan and his injury, mentioned Jesse, said there was no available video to watch and the court probably had it sealed or something stupid. Kelly says something like "That kickflip 5050 though." Then Chris Roberts goes on to say some two sides to every story shit.

You got a time stamp on when they discuss the incident? I've only skimmed through the Mid 90's once but your rehash of the 9 Club sounds like it could be in the Mid 90s script.

[cloudy]

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They brought it up on The Nine Club Experience, talked about Dan and his injury, mentioned Jesse, said there was no available video to watch and the court probably had it sealed or something stupid. Kelly says something like "That kickflip 5050 though." Then Chris Roberts goes on to say some two sides to every story shit.

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You got a time stamp on when they discuss the incident? I've only skimmed through the Mid 90's once but your rehash of the 9 Club sounds like it could be in the Mid 90s script.

thanks for bringing that to our attention, slobplant. i figured they may have discussed it based on their gofundme donation.

starts at 1:12:34 and goes til about 1:19:27.

[augustmoon]

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While I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.

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I highly doubt that High Speed has any liability in this situation. Unless someone from GX1000 is staff for High Speed.

The only issue could be X company is upset that Y magazine produced negative publicity about one of their (former) riders and stops advertising. However, since the skate media-is-pay-to-play, X company would have to be pretty confident that they and their riders could go without editorial coverage in Y mag.

Also, our discussion frames this all as, "the industry/editors/mags aren't allowing anyone to cover this," I really wonder if any writer has even pitched this idea. What skate "journalist" is going to wake up at 7AM, get to the court house at 8:00, sit around, take notes on the case, and then write something up?

There are only a handful of skate mag writers who I think are competent and thoughtful enough to even consider covering this. Most skate journalists simply write about x pro shitting his pants or something else  that barely requires any thought at all.

Finally, I can easily imagine an editor believing, "Yea, it is a good idea, but it is boring. None of our readers are going to care." (This isn't true, but I can imagine the editor believing this.)

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Tony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.

yall are reaching.  Thrasher has no liability regarding one guy that was in a few videos featured on their website committing a crime. 

[silhouette]

Benjamin Deberdt and I have been considering writing an article about this on LIVE Skateboard Media with a link to the GoFundMe and all, but what's been holding us back so far is the lack of accurate information still. The news are still too fresh with updates on the situation every day, obviously what really matters in this case and should be written about is the end result and how the skaters fucked up and maybe criticism of the glorification of such behaviors by the mainstream industry but if you're going to present a 'recap' of what happened, which you have to in this case, it's tough to base one on online hearsay, even just in this thread people keep contradicting each other, I personally think this is serious and not the type of situation where it's acceptable to talk out of one's ass. I'm sure we aren't the only website watching the situation and waiting for enough facts to surface that we could then put together, too. Nobody gives a shit about the advertisers, Thrasher has to be the only entity whose people might reasonably be shitting their pants right now and they're a magazine, not an advertiser. Most of the advertising in skate media is shoe brands and I can't see any shoe brand directly linked to the event. Not backing Dan's cause would be terrible rep for any business right now, if anything.

[cloudy]

Benjamin Deberdt and I have been considering writing an article about this on LIVE Skateboard Media with a link to the GoFundMe and all, but what's been holding us back so far is the lack of accurate information still. The news are still too fresh with updates on the situation every day, obviously what really matters in this case and should be written about is the end result and how the skaters fucked up and maybe criticism of the glorification of such behaviors by the mainstream industry but if you're going to present a 'recap' of what happened, which you have to in this case, it's tough to base one on online hearsay, even just in this thread people keep contradicting each other, I personally think this is serious and not the type of situation where it's acceptable to talk out of one's ass. I'm sure we aren't the only website watching the situation and waiting for enough facts to surface that we could then put together, too. Nobody gives a shit about the advertisers, Thrasher has to be the only entity whose people might reasonably be shitting their pants right now and they're a magazine, not an advertiser. Most of the advertising in skate media is shoe brands and I can't see any shoe brand directly linked to the event. Not backing Dan's cause would be terrible rep for any business right now, if anything.

[Hairy Ballsagna]

Benjamin Deberdt and I have been considering writing an article about this on LIVE Skateboard Media with a link to the GoFundMe and all, but what's been holding us back so far is the lack of accurate information still. The news are still too fresh with updates on the situation every day, obviously what really matters in this case and should be written about is the end result and how the skaters fucked up and maybe criticism of the glorification of such behaviors by the mainstream industry but if you're going to present a 'recap' of what happened, which you have to in this case, it's tough to base one on online hearsay, even just in this thread people keep contradicting each other, I personally think this is serious and not the type of situation where it's acceptable to talk out of one's ass. I'm sure we aren't the only website watching the situation and waiting for enough facts to surface that we could then put together, too. Nobody gives a shit about the advertisers, Thrasher has to be the only entity whose people might reasonably be shitting their pants right now and they're a magazine, not an advertiser. Most of the advertising in skate media is shoe brands and I can't see any shoe brand directly linked to the event. Not backing Dan's cause would be terrible rep for any business right now, if anything.

Maybe you shouldn't write about it if you can't figure out how to source it and you're not going to take the time to find court documents and first-hand information. Also, Cons sponsors most of the GX1000 crew, do they not? Cons seems to be the main advertiser for Jenkem, one of the only outlets I can see doing a decent job of this story. And Jenkem has ignored controversial topics in the past (Jason Jessee) because of Cons...

Edit: Cloudy beat me to it.

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While I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.

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I highly doubt that High Speed has any liability in this situation. Unless someone from GX1000 is staff for High Speed.

The only issue could be X company is upset that Y magazine produced negative publicity about one of their (former) riders and stops advertising. However, since the skate media-is-pay-to-play, X company would have to be pretty confident that they and their riders could go without editorial coverage in Y mag.

Also, our discussion frames this all as, "the industry/editors/mags aren't allowing anyone to cover this," I really wonder if any writer has even pitched this idea. What skate "journalist" is going to wake up at 7AM, get to the court house at 8:00, sit around, take notes on the case, and then write something up?

There are only a handful of skate mag writers who I think are competent and thoughtful enough to even consider covering this. Most skate journalists simply write about x pro shitting his pants or something else  that barely requires any thought at all.

Finally, I can easily imagine an editor believing, "Yea, it is a good idea, but it is boring. None of our readers are going to care." (This isn't true, but I can imagine the editor believing this.)

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Tony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.

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yall are reaching.  Thrasher has no liability regarding one guy that was in a few videos featured on their website committing a crime.

Working with a filmer who they most likely have under contract? In the process of creating footage that will most likely be used on their website?

There's also a big difference between criminal and civil liability.

[silhouette]

The guys' respective deals do not directly link their sponsors to the event in my opinion, plus I'm not sure they would ever want to be, and if any of them ever begs to differ then they better quickly feel concerned about the instantaneous backlash they would get if they ever tried getting in the way of Dan's cause. Profit over people is doomed to fail.

The lack of available information is what's been holding us back and why we haven't written anything, quite duly so. Just chiming in to state that 'skate media' cares about the issue more than what I see people assuming, it's just that said issue is particularly delicate.

We're probably just going to post the GoFundMe.

[notcool]

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any update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond.  i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?

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He went to court Friday morning and is back in jail. He  will stand trial not sure when though

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thats gotta suck rotting in county jail

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Boohoo. What has to really suck is having your head caved in. Fuck outta here

did I mean that in a supportive way of Jesse? Fuckouttahere

[thebaggy]

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While I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.

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I highly doubt that High Speed has any liability in this situation. Unless someone from GX1000 is staff for High Speed.

The only issue could be X company is upset that Y magazine produced negative publicity about one of their (former) riders and stops advertising. However, since the skate media-is-pay-to-play, X company would have to be pretty confident that they and their riders could go without editorial coverage in Y mag.

Also, our discussion frames this all as, "the industry/editors/mags aren't allowing anyone to cover this," I really wonder if any writer has even pitched this idea. What skate "journalist" is going to wake up at 7AM, get to the court house at 8:00, sit around, take notes on the case, and then write something up?

There are only a handful of skate mag writers who I think are competent and thoughtful enough to even consider covering this. Most skate journalists simply write about x pro shitting his pants or something else  that barely requires any thought at all.

Finally, I can easily imagine an editor believing, "Yea, it is a good idea, but it is boring. None of our readers are going to care." (This isn't true, but I can imagine the editor believing this.)

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Tony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.

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yall are reaching.  Thrasher has no liability regarding one guy that was in a few videos featured on their website committing a crime.

I know this has been addressed already, but a competent lawyer could put together a civil case against GX1000, and perhaps even Thrasher. If one were to try and paint the picture of thrasher propagating this type of behavior they would have plenty of data. I can imagine it would be very easy to triangulate Vieira's actions, Thrashers agenda, and GX1000s involvement therein.
   For the record, I'm being the devils advocate here for the sake of shedding light on the severity of this situation. I believe that Vieira ( and those who were immediately involved) are responsible for their own actions.

[Get the strap]

Based off what you're saying, how crazy would it be if skater lawyers sued pizza and gx1000. I mean these fucking guys really fucked up, and the skateboard grim reapers need to show up, if you know what I mean. Imagine. I bet skate lawyers are fucking death

[Allen.]

Based off what you're saying, how crazy would it be if skater lawyers sued pizza and gx1000. I mean these fucking guys really fucked up, and the skateboard grim reapers need to show up, if you know what I mean. Imagine. I bet skate lawyers are fucking death

...for what? IOU's?