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No one with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.
on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.
Nothing I've seen or heard so far as suggested to me that Jesse was an angry person looking to hurt someone, which doesn't mean he is innocent, but people on here are calling for his head like he dismembered a hitchhiker. The post I responded to suggests people involved in violence aren't "decent," and I think that's overly simplistic. Jesse's probably as "decent" as most of us, people accusing him and the rest of mob mentality should take a look at themselves.
Are you fucking serious? This right here is the problem with how people are viewing this. What happened to this dude is a tragedy, and everything would be better if they had left the first time he asked. No question.
But to say it was unavoidable for him is asinine. He could have realized there were 8 unpredictable young men. He could have called the police and watched. He could have have kept fucking with barriers and called the police. He could have done 1000 other things than grab a board and begin actual aggression. He could have taken that first push, called the cops, and kept his distance. He could have not gotten up and started swinging at the first person he saw (if we're going to belive that's how it went down).
I'm not at all saying he brought this awful fate on himself, and not at all saying he caused the horrible chain of events, but getting physical with 8 guys in any way (even just grabbing a board) wass 100% avoidable.
Every single person in the situation, Dan included, could have made decisions to avoid the outcome they wound up with.
What the fuck does "8 unpredictable young men" even mean, you're talking about people here, not wild animals, should every young guy be treated with caution?
The dude was doing his job, grabbing for a board after how the skaters were acting was completely legitimate, throwing a punch back while fully grown men are swarming around you to lay a hit sounds completely normal.
This thread is basically the reverse of people defending police brutality, violence is violence no matter who's conducting it, and I honestly don't see how snatching a board even remotely justifies being punched or trucksmashed in the head.
I mean, I can break it down I guess, but it's a pretty cut and dry statement with no metaphor or anything. Yes, groups of young men who clearly have a goal contrary to what you want should most definitely be treated with caution. People are unpredictable. Younger men tend to be more rash than adults, and situations like this aren't worth risking any form of aggression over. That's what the cops are for. If they were showing noncompliance to his demands already (which they were) the safe bet in my eyes is that trying take their property is only going to escalate the situation. You think Dan would have gotten fired if, after he tried putting the gates up and telling them to leave, he called the cops instead of trying to confiscate a board? Absolutely fucking not. He had been doing his job, and took it to an unnecessary level that put him at much greater personal risk.
I'm not justifying their response to him grabbing the board, simply responding to the previous assertation that for Dan, because he was doing his job, the whole situation was unavoidable. That's total horse shit.
They were definitely more wrong. A $150 toy that they paid likely nothing for (or at least far less) isn't worth a physical altercation. But just because they're wrong, it doesn't make him right. What did he expect to happen? Was he going to take every board? Was he hoping that stealing, I'm sorry, "confiscating", one would send everyone scattering with boards clutched, trying to protect theirs? It was a stupid move when far safer options were available.
That board wasn't worth assaulting someone. Grabbing that board, to protect that ledge, wasn't worth risking a physical altercation, especially when he's outnumbered 8 to 1. Dan doesn't deserve this fate, but that doesn't mean he had no hand in how it came to be. Bad decisions were made by everyone.
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