Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock

[Googan Christmas]

I’m not a legal expert, but if the tail end of a law and order is on when I’m flipping the channels, sometimes I’ll watch the next three or four of those shits.  My expertise says they won’t try him again and the prosecutor is getting his head chewed off by the DA, which sucks cause no one understands what he’s dealing with at home (wife leaving cause he’s working too much).

[shannamal]

this thread has fucking sucked from start to finish.

[Corky Thatcher]

this thread has fucking sucked from start to finish.

Will you tell me what happened so i don't have to read it?

[Fred Savage]

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this thread has fucking sucked from start to finish.

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Will you tell me what happened so i don't have to read it?

It started with some straight up snitching and now after some months of people that don’t know anything telling you what’s what they have decided that the local news paper is the best source of info. Go figure.

[Mickey Knox]

I’m not a legal expert, but if the tail end of a law and order is on when I’m flipping the channels, sometimes I’ll watch the next three or four of those shits.  My expertise says they won’t try him again and the prosecutor is getting his head chewed off by the DA, which sucks cause no one understands what he’s dealing with at home (wife leaving cause he’s working too much).

So good

[gaseous clay]

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this thread has fucking sucked from start to finish.

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Will you tell me what happened so i don't have to read it?

AVAILBLE NOW!!!!

Shalom

[papo]

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this thread has fucking sucked from start to finish.

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AVAILBLE NOW!!!!

first you dig up some old thread of mine that nobody cared with some bullshit, now you designed some book cover? What’s wrong with you? 😂😂

[CHONGO]

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Lets hope the security guards nationwide see this and remember they are not cops and do not have the authority of cops. Shame he had to get his head fucked to learn this.

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Lets hope we dont get shot because dipshit Jesse decided to bash someones head in.

You sound crazy right now.

Wow you sound like such a fucking idiot.

[Trickflip]

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this thread has fucking sucked from start to finish.

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Will you tell me what happened so i don't have to read it?

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AVAILBLE NOW!!!!

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[Switch_fsflip_noseslide]

The moral to all of this : if you get kicked out of a spot, just leave and come back at a better time.

It bugs me when people kook it by going to spots at the wrong time. A lot of spots have obvious windows of opportunity, like sundays or at night, when you will go unnoticed. Each time the cops are called or there is a confrontation with security leads the spot closer to its demise. Even the bustiest spots have that hour when security is on lunch. Be stealth and respectful, and leave the spot how it looked when you got there.

But when thrasher or sponsors are paying you to get shit done, maybe these pros feel obligated to or else they won't be able to "shoot their shot". ...idk just a thought but, I prefer to come back another time. But I have no dealines. Saying that, still doesn't give you the right so. Nevermind

[Switch_fsflip_noseslide]

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count this one as a win for skateboarding, with all the shitty stuff that has been happening lately this is so awesome!

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This is the most garbage take.

For sure bad take. Kind of jock mentality. "Well we won the game woo! I don't care how many people I beat up and bloodied along the way. We won. Yes!"
We're supposed to leave the spots beat up and bloody, not people

[shannamal]

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this thread has fucking sucked from start to finish.

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Will you tell me what happened so i don't have to read it?

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AVAILBLE NOW!!!!

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first you dig up some old thread of mine that nobody cared with some bullshit, now you designed some book cover? What’s wrong with you? 😂😂

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Hardly "dug up". It's been quite active since the mistrial. Someone made a joke about the previous requests for someone to summarize it so they didn't have to read it all, which is kind of ironic because the basis of so much of these 55+ pages is people who didn't bother to read any of it before posting. Anyhoo, I thought it was funny, so I made a book cover. You have nothing to add, so you post some more dumb shit. You strike me as the kind  of guy who sits on the wall at the park and gives people tips they didn't ask for about tricks you can't even do.

"you just gotta scoop your foot more. i'd show you, but i got hurt the other day and i'm taking it easy today"

[arewedeadyet]

https://abc7news.com/sf-judge-declares-mistrial-in-skateboard-attack-on-security-guard/5289629/

[retiredpornstar]

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one for the legal experts here. in a case like this where i'm assuming there were no procedural problems (ie mistrial by hung jury), under what circumstances might the state try it again? for instance is it more likely in a murder trial? might they offer a more lenient deal to avoid a trial? and when would they drop the charges altogether?

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Pretty much any homicide or heinous sex crime they look into retrying. If they chose not to retry (or try the case at all which happens a lot in the lower courts) they file a nolle prosequi which dismisses the charges gives them right to bring it back out if something changes down the line (i.e. a new witness comes forward). there is also a DWOP (dismissed without prejudice) which has a similar effect but is requested by the defendant (could mean a million things like the Gov. does not want to file a nolle pros but cant get a necessary witness to come to court or on a drug case the evidence was suppressed).

Before i mentioned "no contest" (sometimes called nolo contedre)  and Alford pleas -- that's not a "guilty" plea but its an adjudication and firmly closes the book on a case.  both sides call this a victory.  Time served its pretty much self explanatory.  that's why you sometimes see sentences of "215 days HOC deemed served." You may also get offers of a guilty on an amended lesser included offence ("ABDW" is a lesser included of "ABDW causing serious bodily injury") with a split sentence (3 years State Prison, 18 months to serve, balance suspended over five years). 

when i was a student ADA in law school (i did not have the right temperament to make a career out it)  i never really got to see how the sausage was made for the superior court stuff but based on what ive experenced doing defense i would speculate that They drop the charges after consulting with the family of the alleged vic (who may not want to go through the stress of trial again), they don't have the resources or time to dedicate to another trial, and to some extent whether or not or they think the Defendant is a danger to the community or likely to reoffend.

 

Yo my guy right here is smart as fuck

[tortfeasor]

thanks retiredpornstar.  when the first skateboarder sex tape comes out i'm sure you will be able to provide some great context as well.

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one for the legal experts here. in a case like this where i'm assuming there were no procedural problems (ie mistrial by hung jury), under what circumstances might the state try it again? for instance is it more likely in a murder trial? might they offer a more lenient deal to avoid a trial? and when would they drop the charges altogether?

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Pretty much any homicide or heinous sex crime they look into retrying. If they chose not to retry (or try the case at all which happens a lot in the lower courts) they file a nolle prosequi which dismisses the charges gives them right to bring it back out if something changes down the line (i.e. a new witness comes forward). there is also a DWOP (dismissed without prejudice) which has a similar effect but is requested by the defendant (could mean a million things like the Gov. does not want to file a nolle pros but cant get a necessary witness to come to court or on a drug case the evidence was suppressed).

Before i mentioned "no contest" (sometimes called nolo contedre)  and Alford pleas -- that's not a "guilty" plea but its an adjudication and firmly closes the book on a case.  both sides call this a victory.  Time served its pretty much self explanatory.  that's why you sometimes see sentences of "215 days HOC deemed served." You may also get offers of a guilty on an amended lesser included offence ("ABDW" is a lesser included of "ABDW causing serious bodily injury") with a split sentence (3 years State Prison, 18 months to serve, balance suspended over five years). 

when i was a student ADA in law school (i did not have the right temperament to make a career out it)  i never really got to see how the sausage was made for the superior court stuff but based on what ive experenced doing defense i would speculate that They drop the charges after consulting with the family of the alleged vic (who may not want to go through the stress of trial again), they don't have the resources or time to dedicate to another trial, and to some extent whether or not or they think the Defendant is a danger to the community or likely to reoffend.

 

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How many people do this kind of work Pro-bono, That staircase doc on Netflix showed a guy who had his whole life account wiped out and the lawyer almost didn't want to take his re-trial but ended up doing it for free knowing that he could afford anyone

it really depends on the case--- personally, in the past, if i've carry a case that far and something like this happened i'm walking back up the hill and trying it again. Its nearly impossible not to get emotionally attached to (some) cases.  you spend so much time with these people, you meet their family, you know all their emotional and personal problems so you want to do right by them.  You also invested so much effort and through and given so much it feels wrong to just walk away from.  But im also a sucker, there are some attorneys who can just close a file and walk away forever no second thoughts.  I would also say that i get a call from a stranger asking for free trial work-- i probably would not take it.  I've only done 4 probono criminal cases and they were because it was young people who i sincerely felt bad for.  just kids dealt a really bad hand.

[Cool Ceith]

@Tortfeasor Have you seen this article in the SF Weekly? Basically every law having to do with skateboarding in the city: http://www.sfweekly.com/sponsored/skateboard-friendly-zones-in-s-f/

[BacksideWallride]

https://abc7news.com/sf-judge-declares-mistrial-in-skateboard-attack-on-security-guard/5289629/

WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?

If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.

[Corky Thatcher]

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WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?

If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.

I looked into it and he spent 6 months in jail during this, plus the ptsd he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Hardly getting off scott free. I agree with the people who said there are no winners here.

[Ocelot]

damn, that's a sad outcome

[breakingthewaves]

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WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?

If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.

i wouldn't say scott free. as mentioned he did do five months in jail and lost a good friend during the trial extremely tragically. the pablo thing is fucking heavy. and he has to live with what happened to dan jansen. monday is a wild card. the prosecutor could decide to re-try, or pressure him into a plea deal (although the mistrial works heavily against the prosecution). and a possible civil case. but if they don't reprosecute and no civil case is launched, he is in a technical sense walking away from this.

i've mentioned this a few times, but i think the other videos (which we haven't seen) just weren't conclusive. nothing like the reddit video that was posted a few pages back. there is a balance between the strength of the prosecution's case and the strength of the defense in the final outcome. a 6-6 hung jury doesn't lend credibility to any of the actions at black rock that day.

there have been a few low points in the 56 pages, but also a lot of great insight and discussion about the case. i definitely learned a few things.

[Hevonen]

Can you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?

[Corky Thatcher]

Can you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?

He wasn't found not guilty. It was a mistrial. But to answer your question, no.

[breakingthewaves]

Can you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?

i don't think, but if you're guilty it goes towards your sentence sometimes. some people get compensations if they get off the hook after the guilty verdict and the sentence has begun. these are usually landmark events and they almost always have to sue for it.

but i think that if he was in jail before the trial and it was a mistrial, he won't get anything. he didn't get bail because he lied about his involvement before his arrest.

[Corky Thatcher]

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Can you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?

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i don't think, but if you're guilty it goes towards your sentence sometimes. some people get compensations if they get off the hook after the guilty verdict and the sentence has begun. these are usually landmark events and they almost always have to sue for it.

but i think that if he was in jail before the trial and it was a mistrial, he won't get anything. he didn't get bail because he lied about his involvement before his arrest.

How do you know this? Plus, what about all the others involved that let this guy take the fall alone. Those guys are the true pieces of shit here.

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Can you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?

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i don't think, but if you're guilty it goes towards your sentence sometimes. some people get compensations if they get off the hook after the guilty verdict and the sentence has begun. these are usually landmark events and they almost always have to sue for it.

but i think that if he was in jail before the trial and it was a mistrial, he won't get anything. he didn't get bail because he lied about his involvement before his arrest.

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How do you know this? Plus, what about all the others involved that let this guy take the fall alone. Those guys are the true pieces of shit here.

"take the fall alone"...they had multiple video angles over everybody there.  do you really think the prosecution didn't know who everyone was?  with GX himself handing the footage over?  they didn't charge them because they didn't have anything on them or it wasn't worth their time. 

[Dustwardprez]

I called it. Always take it to the hoop. Never ever take a plea

[no life]

Can you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?

good joke

[BacksideWallride]

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WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?

If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.

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I looked into it and he spent 6 months in jail during this, plus the ptsd he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Hardly getting off scott free. I agree with the people who said there are no winners here.

Gimme a fucking break. Imagine if these charges stuck:

Arrested For   245(A)(1) - Assault w/Deadly Weapon Or Assault w/Force Likely To Produce GBI
664/187(A) - Attempted Willful / Deliberate / Premeditated Murder
245(A)(4) - Assault w/Deadly Weapon Likely To Produce GBI

from

https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/arrest/33591022/jesse-vieira-arrest.html

The six months in county would be a pleasant vacation compared to a sentence of any of those charges sticking.

[Googan Christmas]

I called it. Always take it to the hoop. Never ever take a plea

That’s some idiotic advice, but it’s amusing and imagining you telling your lawyer, “I say we take it to the hoop”.

[Painted Baby]

Then he says "From the paint, dog." and daps you up.