Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock

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WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?

If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.

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I looked into it and he spent 6 months in jail during this, plus the ptsd he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Hardly getting off scott free. I agree with the people who said there are no winners here.

Don’t be ridiculous, that other guy has half his head missing..

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pretty ironic looking back to the first thread and reading everyone that was all "fuck you for saying gx had any influence on this behavior!!!! focus your account loser!!!!!"

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Can you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?

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i don't think, but if you're guilty it goes towards your sentence sometimes. some people get compensations if they get off the hook after the guilty verdict and the sentence has begun. these are usually landmark events and they almost always have to sue for it.

but i think that if he was in jail before the trial and it was a mistrial, he won't get anything. he didn't get bail because he lied about his involvement before his arrest.

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How do you know this? Plus, what about all the others involved that let this guy take the fall alone. Those guys are the true pieces of shit here.

it was mentioned in an article covering the bail hearing.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Security-guard-left-with-brain-injury-after-fight-13509942.php

Judge Coffese disagreed with Rappaport’s assessment, saying Vieira “chose to interact and assault the victim and then give a statement that he wasn’t involved.”

if you watch the video, the other guys are just scuffling with the guard, and the guard fought back a bit at the beginning. only jesse connects anything. i just don't see what the other guys in his crew did wrong (after the incident). they seemed to support their friend fully.

also, for the record, these guys were acting like huge jackasses at the spot before the fight broke out. also, the fight was needless and dan jansen deserved none of what happened. and i think that there is a certain shared moral responsibility for this.

[Googan Christmas]

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Can you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?

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i don't think, but if you're guilty it goes towards your sentence sometimes. some people get compensations if they get off the hook after the guilty verdict and the sentence has begun. these are usually landmark events and they almost always have to sue for it.

but i think that if he was in jail before the trial and it was a mistrial, he won't get anything. he didn't get bail because he lied about his involvement before his arrest.

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How do you know this? Plus, what about all the others involved that let this guy take the fall alone. Those guys are the true pieces of shit here.

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it was mentioned in an article covering the bail hearing.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Security-guard-left-with-brain-injury-after-fight-13509942.php

Judge Coffese disagreed with Rappaport’s assessment, saying Vieira “chose to interact and assault the victim and then give a statement that he wasn’t involved.”

if you watch the video, the other guys are just scuffling with the guard, and the guard fought back a bit at the beginning. only jesse connects anything. i just don't see what the other guys in his crew did wrong (after the incident). they seemed to support their friend fully.

also, for the record, these guys were acting like huge jackasses at the spot before the fight broke out. also, the fight was needless and dan jansen deserved none of what happened. and i think that there is a certain shared moral responsibility for this.

How do you know the huge jackasses part? I saw the movie barricades and with the result one could assume, but just curious if there is more stuff I’m not seeing.

Edit: it does sound pretty bad in the linked article.  It really does surprise me that he got off.  This whole situation is a real bummer, imagine needing a crane like devise to get into a wheel chair and not knowing who anyone is and not having a skull.

[Ocelot]

GX just dabbed on the SF legal system

gotta cop that new drop too, my boys gotta get paid

[Ocelot]

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WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?

If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.

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I looked into it and he spent 6 months in jail during this, plus the ptsd he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Hardly getting off scott free. I agree with the people who said there are no winners here.

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Don’t be ridiculous, that other guy has half his head missing..

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Unsuprisingly, you're missing the point again. Fueled by emotion, angry that your idea of what justice would be was not what actually happened–but that's how it works. People who actually saw all the evidence decided that they could not agree to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They straight up ignored your opinion - how could they!!??.

Please volunteer to go to jail for six months and then explain to everyone how conveinient and comfortable that was. That it was such a non-issue that you'd do it again.

how about you take out half your skull and see how convenient it is for your family when you can't recognize any of them

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WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?

If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.

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I looked into it and he spent 6 months in jail during this, plus the ptsd he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Hardly getting off scott free. I agree with the people who said there are no winners here.

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Don’t be ridiculous, that other guy has half his head missing..

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Unsuprisingly, you're missing the point again. Fueled by emotion, angry that your idea of what justice would be was not what actually happened–but that's how it works. People who actually saw all the evidence decided that they could not agree to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They straight up ignored your opinion - how could they!!??.

Please volunteer to go to jail for six months and then explain to everyone how conveinient and comfortable that was. That it was such a non-issue that you'd do it again.

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how about you take out half your skull and see how convenient it is for your family when you can't recognize any of them

I wouldnt even bother explaining to this loser with his flawed logic.

[Ocelot]

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WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?

If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.

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I looked into it and he spent 6 months in jail during this, plus the ptsd he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Hardly getting off scott free. I agree with the people who said there are no winners here.

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Don’t be ridiculous, that other guy has half his head missing..

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Unsuprisingly, you're missing the point again. Fueled by emotion, angry that your idea of what justice would be was not what actually happened–but that's how it works. People who actually saw all the evidence decided that they could not agree to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They straight up ignored your opinion - how could they!!??.

Please volunteer to go to jail for six months and then explain to everyone how conveinient and comfortable that was. That it was such a non-issue that you'd do it again.

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how about you take out half your skull and see how convenient it is for your family when you can't recognize any of them

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You better skitch on down to the courthouse and tell them that they did it wrong.

lol, nice pun about pablo

[talklessSkateMore]

KaRefULL hEz a BRotHeR

[Cool Ceith]

Speaking of skitching, another skater passed away this week… RIP: https://kgab.com/wyoming-man-dies-from-injuries-in-skateboarding-accident/

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WOW! He got off scott free. That's insane. I mean I wasn't wishing a harsh sentence or anything but I'm surprised the jury was deadlocked. Were half the jurors GX1000 crew?

If people thought Dan deserved it or was attacking them enough to get his come-uppance then I really want to see those other videos.

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I looked into it and he spent 6 months in jail during this, plus the ptsd he'll have to deal with for the rest of his life. Hardly getting off scott free. I agree with the people who said there are no winners here.

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Don’t be ridiculous, that other guy has half his head missing..

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Unsuprisingly, you're missing the point again. Fueled by emotion, angry that your idea of what justice would be was not what actually happened–but that's how it works. People who actually saw all the evidence decided that they could not agree to find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. They straight up ignored your opinion - how could they!!??.

Please volunteer to go to jail for six months and then explain to everyone how conveinient and comfortable that was. That it was such a non-issue that you'd do it again.

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how about you take out half your skull and see how convenient it is for your family when you can't recognize any of them

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You better skitch on down to the courthouse and tell them that they did it wrong.

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lol, nice pun about pablo

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Clearly Pablo invented skitching.

"Hear ye, hear ye! Let it be known, SLAP kindom - From this point forward, all references to skitching will be interpreted to be a reference to Pablo." - Ocelot

Really tasteless, dude.

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Can you get some compensation for doing 5 months before found not guilty?

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i don't think, but if you're guilty it goes towards your sentence sometimes. some people get compensations if they get off the hook after the guilty verdict and the sentence has begun. these are usually landmark events and they almost always have to sue for it.

but i think that if he was in jail before the trial and it was a mistrial, he won't get anything. he didn't get bail because he lied about his involvement before his arrest.

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How do you know this? Plus, what about all the others involved that let this guy take the fall alone. Those guys are the true pieces of shit here.

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it was mentioned in an article covering the bail hearing.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Security-guard-left-with-brain-injury-after-fight-13509942.php

Judge Coffese disagreed with Rappaport’s assessment, saying Vieira “chose to interact and assault the victim and then give a statement that he wasn’t involved.”

if you watch the video, the other guys are just scuffling with the guard, and the guard fought back a bit at the beginning. only jesse connects anything. i just don't see what the other guys in his crew did wrong (after the incident). they seemed to support their friend fully.

also, for the record, these guys were acting like huge jackasses at the spot before the fight broke out. also, the fight was needless and dan jansen deserved none of what happened. and i think that there is a certain shared moral responsibility for this.

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How do you know the huge jackasses part? I saw the movie barricades and with the result one could assume, but just curious if there is more stuff I’m not seeing.

Edit: it does sound pretty bad in the linked article.  It really does surprise me that he got off.  This whole situation is a real bummer, imagine needing a crane like devise to get into a wheel chair and not knowing who anyone is and not having a skull.

Just from watching the first ten seconds of the video where they’re removing the barricades as he’s putting them up and skating right in front of him while he’s putting them up. Just my take on their behaviour.

[paraquat]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but if the victim and his family find out/ know these guys work/contract for thrasher there could be a civil suit.

[Allen.]

I love reading this thread. It always leaves me feeling calmer and more at one with the skateboarding community #thankyouskateboarding

[stevedave]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but if the victim and his family find out/ know these guys work/contract for thrasher there could be a civil suit.

Civil suit can only go after Jesse's assets or future earnings and you can only garnish 25% of the person's wages while collecting from a civil suit. 

[Vomit Lust]

You don’t think his sponsors could get sued? I’d think Thrasher could too especially if there’s anything to indicate that day’s mission was for a Thrasher spread or the website.

I’ve been away from what little contact I had with the industry for decades, and even then it was third hand knowledge from sponsored buddies of mine, so it’s possible there’s no goal to film, say, an edit that goes straight to Thrasher when these dudes hit the street each day. But if there was, and in America’s hyper-litigious society, I could see a lawsuit against those companies at least gaining a traction in court. Maybe enough to force a quick settlement with a big money shoe sponsor or something (does he even have a shoe sponsor?).

Disclaimer: as always, I don’t know shit about shit so all of the above is very likely to be wrong.

[stevedave]

They can't go after Thrasher or even GX for that matter - you can ONLY try to take what assets Jesse has.  It's not HIS company.  The original criminal suit was against Jesse personally, NOT GX, therefore you can only go after HIS assets and none other.

[Frank]

Skateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.

it's funny but unfortunately true

[ondeezyst]

happy to see he will be out skating again. sucks the community kinda rejected him based on what the media showed us

[DannyDee]

Skateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.

Pretty sure Garshall is a Thrasher employee.

Thrasher may have things written into contracts that try to limit their liability, but that doesn't mean that stops them from being sued. A lawyer will just argue they created a culture of non-compliance, and point to the videos they post of people disobaying security guards. Whether a judge or jury will buy it is another question.

[tortfeasor]

America’s hyper-litigious society

sorry to go full on soapbox/tinfoil hat but the idea that Americans are hyper-litigious (and that its a bad thing to have a matter heard before a court) is a lie propagated by hyper capitalists and authoritarians who want to act with a brazen disregard human health, individual safety, and moral decency.  it was made to protect large corporations and entities in an effort keep the individual away from the only space where they are on equal footing.  these are the same companies and entities that refuse to negotiate in good faith prior to litigation, refuse to hold their own accountable, and maintain a fleet of staff attorneys they regularly deploy for anti-competitive and unconstitutional purposes. 

ever notice how the claim that "american's are hyper litigious" is only ever applied to civil matters? that its always about a small guy going after a big one? its all bullshit.  Americans are "hyper litigious" because  A) our founding fathers outlined pretty the best (its not perfect) legal system in human history and B) we keep getting fucked by C-suite boards who prioritize increasing their profit margin by an extra .04 percent over the well being of the public.  the fact that there are so many civil cases is a moral shortcoming of unfiltered capitalism, not modern society.


okay im done being a crazy person.  sorry for going off the rails.

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Skateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.

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Pretty sure Garshall is a Thrasher employee.

Thrasher may have things written into contracts that try to limit their liability, but that doesn't mean that stops them from being sued. A lawyer will just argue they created a culture of non-compliance, and point to the videos they post of people disobaying security guards. Whether a judge or jury will buy it is another question.

the security guard would have a better chance going after his own employer(deeper pockets) for having him out there solo or not being properly trained for the situation. Even if Garshall is a thrasher employee what does that have to due with JV? If all he was doing was filming and he turned everything over to po po how is he responsible for someone else's actions?

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Skateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.

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Pretty sure Garshall is a Thrasher employee.

Thrasher may have things written into contracts that try to limit their liability, but that doesn't mean that stops them from being sued. A lawyer will just argue they created a culture of non-compliance, and point to the videos they post of people disobaying security guards. Whether a judge or jury will buy it is another question.

Garshell wasn't on trial, neither was Thrasher.  Tortfeasor, can you confirm? 

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Skateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.

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Pretty sure Garshall is a Thrasher employee.

Thrasher may have things written into contracts that try to limit their liability, but that doesn't mean that stops them from being sued. A lawyer will just argue they created a culture of non-compliance, and point to the videos they post of people disobaying security guards. Whether a judge or jury will buy it is another question.

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Garshell wasn't on trial, neither was Thrasher.  Tortfeasor, can you confirm?

In civil litigation, you name everyone who you can try to claim has responsibility, especially ones with deeper pockets.

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Skateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.

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Pretty sure Garshall is a Thrasher employee.

Thrasher may have things written into contracts that try to limit their liability, but that doesn't mean that stops them from being sued. A lawyer will just argue they created a culture of non-compliance, and point to the videos they post of people disobaying security guards. Whether a judge or jury will buy it is another question.

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Garshell wasn't on trial, neither was Thrasher.  Tortfeasor, can you confirm?

Could one of the legal experts break things down in relation to the civil case?

I know nothing about this, but I think it’s a huge stretch that gx or thrasher would be liable.

I think they can make a civil trial against any party whether or not they were in the criminal case?

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Skateboarders - particularly the dudes living 8 or 10 in a studio apt. in SF are basically homeless people with skateboards. Good luck with garnishing their wages. They definitely weren't Thrasher employees - you'd have to be able to provide some kind of proof that they were working on a project for thrasher when this happened. Most giant corporations like Thrasher are smart enough to write into contracts that contractors take all responsibility for anything they do during the course of the contract. Given that the skateboard industry's primary skill is exploiting people, I'm sure they've got that buttoned up. I have no idea if there's a GX legal entity, but if there is, the liability would likely stop there.

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Pretty sure Garshall is a Thrasher employee.

Thrasher may have things written into contracts that try to limit their liability, but that doesn't mean that stops them from being sued. A lawyer will just argue they created a culture of non-compliance, and point to the videos they post of people disobaying security guards. Whether a judge or jury will buy it is another question.

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Garshell wasn't on trial, neither was Thrasher.  Tortfeasor, can you confirm?

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Could one of the legal experts break things down in relation to the civil case?

I know nothing about this, but I think it’s a huge stretch that gx or thrasher would be liable.

I think they can make a civil trial against any party whether or not they were in the criminal case?

im about to run out the office so i cant break it down too much

short answer... they can name any party/entity they think causally relates to the injury.  can they prove the casual relation enough to make a facial showing and survive a 12(b)(6) motion (judgement on pleadings)- or can they prove it at a trial? thats too specific for me to really know.

but DannyDee is right in a "joint and several liability" state- you want the bigger pockets on your dance card.

[botefdunn]

happy to see he will be out skating again. sucks the community some anonymous posters on a message board kinda rejected him based on what the media showed us

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sorry to go full on soapbox/tinfoil hat but the idea that Americans are hyper-litigious (and that its a bad thing to have a matter heard before a court) is a lie propagated by hyper capitalists and authoritarians who want to act with a brazen disregard human health, individual safety, and moral decency.  it was made to protect large corporations and entities in an effort keep the individual away from the only space where they are on equal footing.  these are the same companies and entities that refuse to negotiate in good faith prior to litigation, refuse to hold their own accountable, and maintain a fleet of staff attorneys they regularly deploy for anti-competitive and unconstitutional purposes. 

ever notice how the claim that "american's are hyper litigious" is only ever applied to civil matters? that its always about a small guy going after a big one? its all bullshit.  Americans are "hyper litigious" because  A) our founding fathers outlined pretty the best (its not perfect) legal system in human history and B) we keep getting fucked by C-suite boards who prioritize increasing their profit margin by an extra .04 percent over the well being of the public.  the fact that there are so many civil cases is a moral shortcoming of unfiltered capitalism, not modern society.


okay im done being a crazy person.  sorry for going off the rails.

You ain't wrong though.

[augustmoon]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but if the victim and his family find out/ know these guys work/contract for thrasher there could be a civil suit.

lol, he was in some videos on Thrasher's website.  He's not an employee of Thrasher nor was he working as a representative of Thrasher when this incident happened.  On what planet would Thrasher be in any way responsible for this?

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sorry to go full on soapbox/tinfoil hat but the idea that Americans are hyper-litigious (and that its a bad thing to have a matter heard before a court) is a lie propagated by hyper capitalists and authoritarians who want to act with a brazen disregard human health, individual safety, and moral decency.  it was made to protect large corporations and entities in an effort keep the individual away from the only space where they are on equal footing.  these are the same companies and entities that refuse to negotiate in good faith prior to litigation, refuse to hold their own accountable, and maintain a fleet of staff attorneys they regularly deploy for anti-competitive and unconstitutional purposes. 

ever notice how the claim that "american's are hyper litigious" is only ever applied to civil matters? that its always about a small guy going after a big one? its all bullshit.  Americans are "hyper litigious" because  A) our founding fathers outlined pretty the best (its not perfect) legal system in human history and B) we keep getting fucked by C-suite boards who prioritize increasing their profit margin by an extra .04 percent over the well being of the public.  the fact that there are so many civil cases is a moral shortcoming of unfiltered capitalism, not modern society.


okay im done being a crazy person.  sorry for going off the rails.

Oh yeah? You think you know so much? Well, how about... when... like... fuckin... uh, um... ... Ok. Good points.