Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock

[Donkey Lips]

Yeah my comment about instigating was more directed towards the dude that claimed Dan was out there to be a tough guy. My bad.

[Mystical Leader]

I can't believe there are still people defending the actions of gx1000.

Maybe if you only watched the new video but the cctv footy shows that this altercation was going for a bit before  Dela decided continue to skate the spot. Also glad to see the filmer was like chill and call the ambulance..


It's easy to say why didn't the guard just leave and call the cops but you could just as easily say why didn't the skaters leave and come  back in fifteen minutes?

 

[Serious Tea Drinker]

Not sure what others are seeing but it looks, from this video, that Jessee Viera was on the defense.

[heavy metal harvey]

damn that security guard got washed, you gotta bob and weave baby

[fftc]

Having now watched the two videos back to back I'm surprised the jury couldn't/wouldn't convict. I'm up for jury duty next month and if I had been on that jury I would have voted for guilty.
There are a couple of times when with a bit of sense (both) folk should have pulled back to de-escalate, but the crucial moment is the throw or punch when the guard is lying on his back the first time. No wonder he gets up super pissed after that one!

NY times article suggests there is going to be a re-trial. Is that right?

[Vomit Lust]

Crazy how fast that shit got heavy. No boxers in that whole video. Just a bunch of dudes playing grab ass and still managed to maim the guard. Fighting ain’t worth it after a certain age, man. And I’m passed it.

[Beeker]

Having now watched the two videos back to back I'm surprised the jury couldn't/wouldn't convict. I'm up for jury duty next month and if I had been on that jury I would have voted for guilty.
There are a couple of times when with a bit of sense (both) folk should have pulled back to de-escalate, but the crucial moment is the throw or punch when the guard is lying on his back the first time. No wonder he gets up super pissed after that one!

NY times article suggests there is going to be a re-trial. Is that right?

What are you talking about? He did not get punched when he fell the first time. I don't think he got punched AT ALL. It was a shoving match that ended with him TRIPPING over a board and hitting his head on concrete. What the fuck video are ya'll watching? Really hope my life never ends up in the hands of the justice system (jury).

[wurfnnjs]

Hey guys, here's a lesson. If someone asks you to leave their property, just fucking leave it. Street skating is fun, but they do have a moral high ground. You could mess up their property, and many are afraid (though I doubt most street skaters would try to do this) that if you fall and hurt yourself, you could sue them. Being sued is a property owner's worst nightmare. Next time someone tells you to leave a spot, just fucking leave and come back later. It will always end up better for both parties that way.

As for these guys, same rules apply. I don't care if the security guard started it, because that was his job. The skaters should have just left right then, if the security guard came after them they could have easily outran him on their boards. And hell, if the guard leaves the property and somehow catches up to them, then tries to attack them again, then the skaters have every legal right to kick his ass. But that's not what happened. They ruined a man's life, and that is not acceptable. It makes every skater look bad.

[GAY]

damn that security guard got washed, you gotta bob and weave baby

This reminds me of a joke I told once when I was at church camp and didn't know what it meant:

What do you call two gay guys named Bob?
Oral Roberts

All the grownups gave me the strangest look. I think that ended my career in comedy.

[arrbee]

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Having now watched the two videos back to back I'm surprised the jury couldn't/wouldn't convict. I'm up for jury duty next month and if I had been on that jury I would have voted for guilty.
There are a couple of times when with a bit of sense (both) folk should have pulled back to de-escalate, but the crucial moment is the throw or punch when the guard is lying on his back the first time. No wonder he gets up super pissed after that one!

NY times article suggests there is going to be a re-trial. Is that right?

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What are you talking about? He did not get punched when he fell the first time. I don't think he got punched AT ALL. It was a shoving match that ended with him TRIPPING over a board and hitting his head on concrete. What the fuck video are ya'll watching? Really hope my life never ends up in the hands of the justice system (jury).

He was definitely asleep before hitting the ground, go back and watch it frame by frame. There isn’t a good angle of a blow, but he was definitely asleep on his way down. You can tell by how it looks like he’s going to sit on an invisible chair. Even the most uncoordinated person couldn’t trip over a board that way.

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Having now watched the two videos back to back I'm surprised the jury couldn't/wouldn't convict. I'm up for jury duty next month and if I had been on that jury I would have voted for guilty.
There are a couple of times when with a bit of sense (both) folk should have pulled back to de-escalate, but the crucial moment is the throw or punch when the guard is lying on his back the first time. No wonder he gets up super pissed after that one!

NY times article suggests there is going to be a re-trial. Is that right?

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What are you talking about? He did not get punched when he fell the first time. I don't think he got punched AT ALL. It was a shoving match that ended with him TRIPPING over a board and hitting his head on concrete. What the fuck video are ya'll watching? Really hope my life never ends up in the hands of the justice system (jury).

When the guard goes down after the first pushing match with the long hair. As he is on the ground someone (Viera?) either throws something or punches him while he is down. You can see it in the security cam footage but not the skatercam footage. From the skatercam footage you can see when he gets up he is after someone who appears from that video to have done nothing, but you can see he did something from the security cam.
HTH.

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Having now watched the two videos back to back I'm surprised the jury couldn't/wouldn't convict. I'm up for jury duty next month and if I had been on that jury I would have voted for guilty.
There are a couple of times when with a bit of sense (both) folk should have pulled back to de-escalate, but the crucial moment is the throw or punch when the guard is lying on his back the first time. No wonder he gets up super pissed after that one!

NY times article suggests there is going to be a re-trial. Is that right?

[close]

What are you talking about? He did not get punched when he fell the first time. I don't think he got punched AT ALL. It was a shoving match that ended with him TRIPPING over a board and hitting his head on concrete. What the fuck video are ya'll watching? Really hope my life never ends up in the hands of the justice system (jury).

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When the guard goes down after the first pushing match with the long hair. As he is on the ground someone (Viera?) either throws something or punches him while he is down. You can see it in the security cam footage but not the skatercam footage. From the skatercam footage you can see when he gets up he is after someone who appears from that video to have done nothing, but you can see he did something from the security cam.
HTH.

It’s whatever flies past him. Walkie talkie maybe.

[wake and bacon]

"But was it self-defense? One jury could not break a deadlock on that question. Another will hear the case in the coming months."

...

"Online message boards speculated that the altercation might have involved a crew of skateboarders calling themselves GX1000, who had become well known among skaters for their raw street skating and altercations with pedestrians, homeowners and security guards. The name GX1000 is trademarked by High Speed Productions, the owner of Thrasher."

Looks like tough times still ahead for all involved.

[Abyss1]

Slap screenshots are making it into the NYTimes.

fucking shit!  we should have been in it for Shaloms

[drunkenshredder]

GX1000 the new skate stopper!!! We come to your town fuck up a security guard and get the whole town to ban skateboarding.

[slobplant]

"But was it self-defense? One jury could not break a deadlock on that question. Another will hear the case in the coming months."

...

"Online message boards speculated that the altercation might have involved a crew of skateboarders calling themselves GX1000, who had become well known among skaters for their raw street skating and altercations with pedestrians, homeowners and security guards. The name GX1000 is trademarked by High Speed Productions, the owner of Thrasher."

Looks like tough times still ahead for all involved.

What article is this from??

[tension]

always bums me out when this comes back up

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"But was it self-defense? One jury could not break a deadlock on that question. Another will hear the case in the coming months."

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"Online message boards speculated that the altercation might have involved a crew of skateboarders calling themselves GX1000, who had become well known among skaters for their raw street skating and altercations with pedestrians, homeowners and security guards. The name GX1000 is trademarked by High Speed Productions, the owner of Thrasher."

Looks like tough times still ahead for all involved.

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What article is this from??

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/25/sports/a-security-worker-confronted-the-skateboarders-he-ended-up-with-brain-damage.html

[MyUserName]

I watched the clip a handful of times, even going frame by frame, but I still can't tell what made the security guard drop to the ground. I'm seeing comments here about a board being swung, but I just see a bunch of shoving and then a guy falling over. Maybe it's because it's in 720p, but I can't see shit.

[Austen Seaholmes]

I doubt thrasher/HSP will be on the hook...they can afford good lawyers and a lot of dots need to connect to get back to them. Is Habitat, Cons and OJ also on the hook because De La was there? They might have had a Sony camera so maybe Sony is at fault? Maybe the security guard acted outside the scope of his employment contract? Would this fall under workman's comp for the guard?

[Free Whirl]

Dang after seeing the footage, my opinion still hasn't really changed, the GX guys are still at fault for abandoning the guard who was clearly messed up, but i'm def most bummed on DeLa. I feel like the situation could have been drastically changed if he didn't take the security guard's bait:/ still so sad to hear about this.

[tedkootz]

honestly to me it looks like he got knocked unconscious when he hit the ground, i didnt see any skateboards hitting him.

[RIDEFLANNELV2]

That’s so sad. A bunch of grown men acting like entitled babies. So security throws your skateboard into the street after you had been asked to leave multiple times. So you start to go fist to cuffs and shuv him. While he’s down someone off camera violently throws his walkie talkie at him. Can’t say anyone wouldn’t have the same reaction as Dan.

My opinion hasn’t changed. Dela is a fucking loser. Only person who is somewhat redeemed is Garshall for heading up calling an ambulance.

[Nosferatu]

Hey guys, here's a lesson. If someone asks you to leave their property, just fucking leave it. Street skating is fun, but they do have a moral high ground. You could mess up their property, and many are afraid (though I doubt most street skaters would try to do this) that if you fall and hurt yourself, you could sue them. Being sued is a property owner's worst nightmare. Next time someone tells you to leave a spot, just fucking leave and come back later. It will always end up better for both parties that way.

As for these guys, same rules apply. I don't care if the security guard started it, because that was his job. The skaters should have just left right then, if the security guard came after them they could have easily outran him on their boards. And hell, if the guard leaves the property and somehow catches up to them, then tries to attack them again, then the skaters have every legal right to kick his ass. But that's not what happened. They ruined a man's life, and that is not acceptable. It makes every skater look bad.

I just don’t get why the security would get so worked up. It’s NOT his property. There is no way he gets paid enough to take on groups of people over scuffing ledges that are already scuffed.

[oldbummer]

Who is the black guy that gets involved?

[weregoingunion]

My opinion hasn’t changed. Dela is a fucking loser. Only person who is somewhat redeemed is Garshall for heading up calling an ambulance.

smoked with dela outside of a bar one night where he was talking about fights and how he doesn’t get involved in any. later that night, a fight broke out in the street where a few of his friends were involved, and he didn’t jump in. always thought he was sick for that.

the old security cam and now gx footage changed my mind. sucks.

[heavy metal harvey]

That’s so sad. A bunch of grown men acting like entitled babies. So security throws your skateboard into the street after you had been asked to leave multiple times. So you start to go fist to cuffs and shuv him. While he’s down someone off camera violently throws his walkie talkie at him. Can’t say anyone wouldn’t have the same reaction as Dan.

My opinion hasn’t changed. Dela is a fucking loser. Only person who is somewhat redeemed is Garshall for heading up calling an ambulance.

i hate when people go fist to cuffs

[Beeker]

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Having now watched the two videos back to back I'm surprised the jury couldn't/wouldn't convict. I'm up for jury duty next month and if I had been on that jury I would have voted for guilty.
There are a couple of times when with a bit of sense (both) folk should have pulled back to de-escalate, but the crucial moment is the throw or punch when the guard is lying on his back the first time. No wonder he gets up super pissed after that one!

NY times article suggests there is going to be a re-trial. Is that right?

[close]

What are you talking about? He did not get punched when he fell the first time. I don't think he got punched AT ALL. It was a shoving match that ended with him TRIPPING over a board and hitting his head on concrete. What the fuck video are ya'll watching? Really hope my life never ends up in the hands of the justice system (jury).

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When the guard goes down after the first pushing match with the long hair. As he is on the ground someone (Viera?) either throws something or punches him while he is down. You can see it in the security cam footage but not the skatercam footage. From the skatercam footage you can see when he gets up he is after someone who appears from that video to have done nothing, but you can see he did something from the security cam.
HTH.

The skater can footage shows the entirety of him falling down and getting up. No one punches him or even comes close. Someone smashes his walkie a good distance from him which kinda looks bad on the security cam but you can still tell it's not a punch, it's a throw. I'm not trying to be a dick but I am honestly confused as to how someone might think he got punched on the ground after watching that.

[augustmoon]

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Having now watched the two videos back to back I'm surprised the jury couldn't/wouldn't convict. I'm up for jury duty next month and if I had been on that jury I would have voted for guilty.
There are a couple of times when with a bit of sense (both) folk should have pulled back to de-escalate, but the crucial moment is the throw or punch when the guard is lying on his back the first time. No wonder he gets up super pissed after that one!

NY times article suggests there is going to be a re-trial. Is that right?

[close]

What are you talking about? He did not get punched when he fell the first time. I don't think he got punched AT ALL. It was a shoving match that ended with him TRIPPING over a board and hitting his head on concrete. What the fuck video are ya'll watching? Really hope my life never ends up in the hands of the justice system (jury).

[close]

When the guard goes down after the first pushing match with the long hair. As he is on the ground someone (Viera?) either throws something or punches him while he is down. You can see it in the security cam footage but not the skatercam footage. From the skatercam footage you can see when he gets up he is after someone who appears from that video to have done nothing, but you can see he did something from the security cam.
HTH.

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The skater can footage shows the entirety of him falling down and getting up. No one punches him or even comes close. Someone smashes his walkie a good distance from him which kinda looks bad on the security cam but you can still tell it's not a punch, it's a throw. I'm not trying to be a dick but I am honestly confused as to how someone might think he got punched on the ground after watching that.

they have an opinion based on the severity of his injuries and they are trying to fit the evidence to fall in line with their bias.  this video shows nothing more than a security guard attacking people for skateboarding, and those people defending themselves.  The filmer even offers his hand to the security guard to help him up after he falls down the first time, and he swats his hand away before charging the group of skaters.  Jesse clearly throws his hands up, the skateboard falls to the ground as he throws a punch in self defense.  The injuries he sustained resulted from the guard falling and hitting his head on the ground after jesse defended himself.  Its right there on HD video at ground level. 

[coyote2425]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/07/25/sports/a-security-worker-confronted-the-skateboarders-he-ended-up-with-brain-damage.html

Screenshot from this thread in NYT. BA, Josh Stewart, Mackenzie Eisenhour quoted.