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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #510 on: June 29, 2021, 07:22:01 PM »
If anyone is wanted just the Hex button style inverted kingpins, skate warehouse and several other retailers are now selling them solo. Just be aware that the thread on them is very shallow so they’re not for tight trucks or big boys.

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Krux_DLK_K5_Kingpin_Set/descpage-KXDLK5KP.html


Do they look the same as the Indy kingpins?

I have only seen pics and they really do look very similar, but thought someone had said they are shorter.

At least that is another cheap and easily accessible option if the Indy kingpin blows out or has issues.



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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #511 on: June 29, 2021, 10:29:32 PM »
Based on pics alone they look the same to me.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #512 on: June 30, 2021, 03:34:19 AM »
Based on pics alone they look the same to me.

That's what I was thinking, but I can never really tell with just pictures to go by.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #513 on: June 30, 2021, 05:53:48 AM »
Got kicked down a set of mid 159’s but they altered their baseplates to the 6 holes.

I like them so far and haven’t had any problems with them, when someone cannibalizes a set of trucks a set of Indy’s but different combinations does it really affect the turning radius?
L mid 159’s R standard stage 11’s 149’s
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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #514 on: June 30, 2021, 06:32:51 AM »
So i finally got around to trying these out. I traded my backup pair of Ace 44 to a pal for a set of 144 mindys and I have to say that they exceeded my expectations but only because they were extremely low to begin with and only after I tweaked them a bit.

They're noisy as hell, even after lubricating the pivot cups, bushing seats, and washers. It silences them temporarily but the squeak comes back after a little.

They're heavy on the scale but I didn't really notice it when skating them. This may have been because I tried them out on a fairly steep deck (at least by my standards), the Scumco KT "dukes" 8.25. The fact its PS stix wood which has a very light and snappy pop feel probably helped nullify the weight as well. They really didn't feel significantly heavier than the trucks I previously had on the deck (Film 5.5 hollow) despite being like 50g heavier.

Turn was acceptable but not great. They don't turn as well as traditional kingpin indys and I did run into wheelbite issues with anything over 53mm. I ended up switching over to 94a aftermarket indy bushings which helped but didn't totally eliminate the problem. I don't have a ton of experience with inverted kingpins so I'm not sure if the worse turn is normal or not but I definitely noticed it with the mindys.

Grind felt a little weird too, a bit sticky. Adding a little bit of wax to the hanger helped but like the squeak issue its a temporary fix and I had to reapply it after a half dozen or so slappies.

Overall they're kind of a wet fart. I would say that unless you're some kind of smith/feeble specialist there's really no reason to get these over hollows. Forged plate indys are almost the same height but are lighter and turn better.

I ended up just swapping the baseplates with a set of 139 forged hollows and I like them much better that way. I wish they had just started making the lows again, maybe with a 144 option.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #515 on: June 30, 2021, 02:28:56 PM »
Got kicked down a set of mid 159’s but they altered their baseplates to the 6 holes.

I like them so far and haven’t had any problems with them, when someone cannibalizes a set of trucks a set of Indy’s but different combinations does it really affect the turning radius?

L mid 159’s R standard stage 11’s 149’s

I have mixed and matched - swapped over hangers / baseplates to check and they all still work the same way, just a little different as I often go half by eye as to the threads showing on the kingpin, which you cannot do on inverted kingpins, but mid hangers will also work on standard baseplates.

That setup reminds me of older stage Indy trucks with zero kingpin clearance as it sits right on the hanger when new, so I am curious - how is the kingpin clearance on those?


A post here from another guy who put inverted baseplates on with normal hangers (so the opposite of what you have) if you are interested:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=97297.msg3591144#msg3591144
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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #516 on: June 30, 2021, 08:11:16 PM »

i swapped the hangers/baseplates on a set of 144 mids and 144 forged hollows.
the mid hanger on the forged baseplate brought them down to 50-ish mm
kingpin clearance was horrible. swapped them back.
the 144 forged hollows are on my main setup. the 144 mids are on my symmetrical egg

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #517 on: August 01, 2021, 05:35:30 AM »
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The first thing I noticed was the inverted kingpin itself doesn't have a particularly long thread, so I tightened these down as far as they would go, which wasn't that much with the truck still feeling fairly loose overall.

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Does anyone know What can I use to thread the kingpin a little further so I can actually tighten these things? i have that ace kingpin rethreader? Would that work?
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Or get low top bushings/shave down the tops.
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It is the opposite, as in same as I felt, so I need to get the kingpin down into the baseplate further than the stock Indy IKP will go, so cutting bushings down only loosen them up, not get the kingpin lower.  If I used my lower bushings, the kingpin head would still sit up too high, only making the trucks even looser than needed.

Maybe you had said (or someone else) to use other brand IKP that have longer threads on them, which I have seen and would definitely work, maybe Krux down low or other brand.

The old generic / unknown brand inverted kingpin that I have floating around definitely gets things much lower into the baseplate without going too low, so about another 5 mm of thread on that kingpin would be perfect without it going too far in and digging into the wood of the deck.

Sorry not trying to be Mr know it all, just trying to explain.

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I would also recommend getting harder bushings. The black Indy aftermarket bushings would get them a little tighter than stock

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #518 on: August 03, 2021, 05:20:56 AM »
Hey!

I apologize if this has been asked before, Ive read the last 5 pages of the thread, but I get a little confused with all the different truck heights aspects, and mix and matching different parts – here goes.

I ride 144 hollows – regular height – no the mids. Ive been grinding down my baseplates from noseslides – and my hangers are still in fairly decent shape.

Will my truck geometry dramatically change if I swap out a grinded out baseplate from the 144 ‘regulars’ with a mid base pate?

The new truck would have a ‘mid’ baseplate (with the inverted kingpin) and a regular 144 hanger. Im I asking for trouble with this?

Swapping baseplates out is allott cheaper (and I dontfeel like Im wasting truck hangers). @Mbrmison88 had a similar question, but hes swapping out mid hangers for regular hangers…

Thanks for your comments.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #519 on: August 03, 2021, 05:47:13 AM »
Hey!

I apologize if this has been asked before, Ive read the last 5 pages of the thread, but I get a little confused with all the different truck heights aspects, and mix and matching different parts – here goes.

I ride 144 hollows – regular height – not the mids. Ive been grinding down my baseplates from noseslides – and my hangers are still in fairly decent shape.

Will my truck geometry dramatically change if I swap out a grinded out baseplate from the 144 ‘regulars’ with the Inveted Kingpin Baseplate Set - Im under the ipression these baseplates are mid's?

The new truck would have a ‘mid’ baseplate (with the inverted kingpin - I think its a mid, not really sure) and a regular 144 hanger. Im I asking for trouble with this?

Swapping baseplates out is allott cheaper (and I dontfeel like Im wasting truck hangers). @Mbrmison88 had a similar question, but hes swapping out mid hangers for regular hangers…

Thanks for your comments.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #520 on: August 03, 2021, 06:16:31 AM »
Hey!

I apologize if this has been asked before, Ive read the last 5 pages of the thread, but I get a little confused with all the different truck heights aspects, and mix and matching different parts – here goes.

I ride 144 hollows – regular height – no the mids. Ive been grinding down my baseplates from noseslides – and my hangers are still in fairly decent shape.

Will my truck geometry dramatically change if I swap out a grinded out baseplate from the 144 ‘regulars’ with a mid base pate?

The new truck would have a ‘mid’ baseplate (with the inverted kingpin) and a regular 144 hanger. Im I asking for trouble with this?

Swapping baseplates out is allott cheaper (and I dontfeel like Im wasting truck hangers). @Mbrmison88 had a similar question, but hes swapping out mid hangers for regular hangers…

Thanks for your comments.

If your current 144s are cast hollows, no it will not. The difference between the mids and standards is in the hangar and not the plates. But if your 144s have forged plates, they will be 1.5mm higher on the new plates.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #521 on: August 03, 2021, 06:37:36 AM »
Thanks for the help FrozenIndustries!!
Ill buy a set this weekend. Ill set em up and compare em to the new 144 hollows I bought last week. Ill try to report back.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #522 on: August 09, 2021, 06:39:01 AM »
Update!
Bought the lower kingpin Indy baseplates, set em up with my old 144 hollow hangers and they seem to be about 1 - 1.5 mm higher than my regular 144 hollows. Ill attribute that to the baseplate, as the hollows are Forged, and im assuming the baseplates I bought were cast. I used one of those measuring calipers - didnt take pics, sorry.

minimal difference. Im quite content! I bought a set so ill have 2 trucks that are a hair higher. Theyll match and thats all that matters.

Thanks for your help!

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #523 on: August 09, 2021, 01:24:33 PM »
Update!
Bought the lower kingpin Indy baseplates, set em up with my old 144 hollow hangers and they seem to be about 1 - 1.5 mm higher than my regular 144 hollows. Ill attribute that to the baseplate, as the hollows are Forged, and im assuming the baseplates I bought were cast. I used one of those measuring calipers - didnt take pics, sorry.

minimal difference. Im quite content! I bought a set so ill have 2 trucks that are a hair higher. Theyll match and thats all that matters.

Thanks for your help!


Yes, those plates are cast. The mid hangers were beefed up to provide more clearance using the IKP; using the IKP plates on normal hangers nets almost no improvement on grind clearance. Worst design ever for an IKP.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #524 on: September 01, 2021, 06:25:40 AM »
I saw hollow mid on Reynolds’ IG but can’t find a record of them anywhere else does anyone know when they are dropping?

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #525 on: September 01, 2021, 06:27:28 AM »
I saw hollow mid on Reynolds’ IG but can’t find a record of them anywhere else does anyone know when they are dropping?

They were up but listed as "sold out" on the Canadian NHS site. If they drop anything like the IKP plates they'll be available in the next month or so.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #526 on: September 04, 2021, 10:35:42 PM »
Wait until after the Labor Day sales, bet we seem start popping up.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #527 on: September 22, 2021, 06:34:46 AM »
For those who partake, the Reynolds mid hollows are in at SoCal.

https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html

I love how they look and am tempted to give them another shot. Last time I tried them I was in the throes of Ace mania, but as of late I have been switching it up between Aces and Indy standard.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #528 on: October 05, 2021, 08:33:33 AM »
x-post from truck setups. Maybe not gospel but what I can gather from my snooping. I have a set coming Thursday and will hopefully get to run them on Friday.

For people asking about the Indy Reynolds mid hollows weight, from what I've seen they are:

129=368g
139=376g
144=386g
149=392g
159=395g

vs classics:

129=367g
139=376g
144=387g
149=394g
159=402g

So they do seem to put the mids back at classic weight or slightly under.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #529 on: October 06, 2021, 07:25:03 PM »
x-post from truck setups. Maybe not gospel but what I can gather from my snooping. I have a set coming Thursday and will hopefully get to run them on Friday.

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For people asking about the Indy Reynolds mid hollows weight, from what I've seen they are:

129=368g
139=376g
144=386g
149=392g
159=395g

vs classics:

129=367g
139=376g
144=387g
149=394g
159=402g

So they do seem to put the mids back at classic weight or slightly under.
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So you are saving around a couple grams (if that) total, why even bother at that point? If it's a lower truck you want, just get Forged Hollows or ti (or ACE or Thunder), forged are close enough @ 53.5mm and the weight savings is significantly better. Unless you totally hate forged plates for some reason (feel).

Having fuxed with the inverted pins across lots of trucks, it's not worth it (with the current designs).

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #530 on: October 07, 2021, 07:13:19 AM »
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x-post from truck setups. Maybe not gospel but what I can gather from my snooping. I have a set coming Thursday and will hopefully get to run them on Friday.

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For people asking about the Indy Reynolds mid hollows weight, from what I've seen they are:

129=368g
139=376g
144=386g
149=392g
159=395g

vs classics:

129=367g
139=376g
144=387g
149=394g
159=402g

So they do seem to put the mids back at classic weight or slightly under.
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So you are saving around a couple grams (if that) total, why even bother at that point? If it's a lower truck you want, just get Forged Hollows or ti (or ACE or Thunder), forged are close enough @ 53.5mm and the weight savings is significantly better. Unless you totally hate forged plates for some reason (feel).

Having fuxed with the inverted pins across lots of trucks, it's not worth it (with the current designs).

I want a lower Indy and forged plates are gross.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #531 on: October 07, 2021, 12:04:07 PM »
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x-post from truck setups. Maybe not gospel but what I can gather from my snooping. I have a set coming Thursday and will hopefully get to run them on Friday.

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For people asking about the Indy Reynolds mid hollows weight, from what I've seen they are:

129=368g
139=376g
144=386g
149=392g
159=395g

vs classics:

129=367g
139=376g
144=387g
149=394g
159=402g

So they do seem to put the mids back at classic weight or slightly under.
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So you are saving around a couple grams (if that) total, why even bother at that point? If it's a lower truck you want, just get Forged Hollows or ti (or ACE or Thunder), forged are close enough @ 53.5mm and the weight savings is significantly better. Unless you totally hate forged plates for some reason (feel).

Having fuxed with the inverted pins across lots of trucks, it's not worth it (with the current designs).
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I want a lower Indy and forged plates are gross.

What's gross about them? The tinny feel?

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #532 on: October 07, 2021, 12:47:50 PM »
Yeah, the feeling is weird and it is also super annoying that forged plates always push the WB out. I get that this is done to preserve the pop feel, but keeping the WB tight is more important to me than the weight savings. That being said, if they can save a few grams with a hollow axle, why not?

I get where you're coming from for sure, but a lower cast truck that turns great out of the box (and isn't plagued by QC issues) definitely has a place in the market.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #533 on: October 07, 2021, 01:44:44 PM »
Yeah, the feeling is weird and it is also super annoying that forged plates always push the WB out. I get that this is done to preserve the pop feel, but keeping the WB tight is more important to me than the weight savings. That being said, if they can save a few grams with a hollow axle, why not?

I get where you're coming from for sure, but a lower cast truck that turns great out of the box (and isn't plagued by QC issues) definitely has a place in the market.

I'm all for a lower indy, that's why I ride forged, but not sure what the real gain is for the hollows, a couple of grams isn't making a bit of difference, especially since the mids are actually heavier than same size standards. Now when they do the Ti axle, I'll bite.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #534 on: October 07, 2021, 04:43:08 PM »
I get where you're coming from for sure, but a lower cast truck that turns great out of the box (and isn't plagued by QC issues) definitely has a place in the market.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #535 on: October 07, 2021, 08:01:33 PM »
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I get where you're coming from for sure, but a lower cast truck that turns great out of the box (and isn't plagued by QC issues) definitely has a place in the market.
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Hahaha, I would if I could deal with how they look. Call me shallow, but...

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #536 on: October 07, 2021, 09:19:35 PM »
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I get where you're coming from for sure, but a lower cast truck that turns great out of the box (and isn't plagued by QC issues) definitely has a place in the market.
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Theeve TiKing or TiaX (52mm)

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #537 on: October 08, 2021, 09:08:16 AM »
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I get where you're coming from for sure, but a lower cast truck that turns great out of the box (and isn't plagued by QC issues) definitely has a place in the market.
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I get where you're coming from for sure, but a lower cast truck that turns great out of the box (and isn't plagued by QC issues) definitely has a place in the market.
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Mini Logo.


(ducks and runs....)
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Theeve TiKing or TiaX (52mm)

*come at me bro*

Both fit the bill TBH.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #538 on: October 08, 2021, 10:05:32 AM »
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I get where you're coming from for sure, but a lower cast truck that turns great out of the box (and isn't plagued by QC issues) definitely has a place in the market.
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Mini Logo.


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I get where you're coming from for sure, but a lower cast truck that turns great out of the box (and isn't plagued by QC issues) definitely has a place in the market.
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Mini Logo.


(ducks and runs....)
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Theeve TiKing or TiaX (52mm)

*come at me bro*
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Both fit the bill TBH.

...that you can actually walk into a skate shop and buy. I live in a major city and have never seen Theeves in the wild, let alone in a skate shop. Same with Mini Logo.

Full disclosure: I would try Theeve if shops had them and their website didn't make it look like they went out of business in 2003.

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Re: Independent Trucks Mid
« Reply #539 on: October 27, 2021, 10:43:28 AM »
Here is my early review after 5 sessions on the 144 Hollow Mids. I usually ride BBS 8.25 with a 14.25 WB, but I’ve ridden these on an 8.38 Killing Floor with a 14.38 and now have them on an 8.5 Anti Hero with 14.25. I generally don’t like super steep tails or really long kicks. I’m riding them with 52 Classics.

Good:
  • Pinch is excellent. I’d rank it on par with Thunder and Venture
  • Grind is solid. The extra material on the barrel makes sense given where you pinch.
  • Turn is a nice surfy Indy turn but since they’re lower they feel more stable to me overall.
  • I really like the quicker pop feel. I never liked standard Indy and always rode the Forged Hollows. These have a better pop for me as it’s faster but the extra weight seems to suck the board up more
  • They feel more stable to me than Forged Hollows
  • I don’t have any more wheelbite than normal. My trucks are usually medium loose

The bad:
  • For me there isn’t really anything. The stock black bushings and kingpin were ugly so I swapped for aftermarket orange bushings and stripped the kingpin color but that’s nitpicking
  • If you don’t like loose trucks they feel wayyyy looser stock. I ride stock tightness on normal trucks but I had to crank these 2 turns.
  • The kingpin is fine for me, but if you need to replace something it’s not super easy to mark the kingpin position to put things back on

I could say if you need super light trucks that might be a negative but I just don’t really like when things are too light.

Overall I would try them if:
  • You like the height of Thunders but not the baseplate slide issue and want something less twitchy.
  • You like a quicker pop feel but don’t need to get it from lighter trucks or a short wheelbase.
  • You want a bit better pinch from an Indy

I’m pretty happy with them.