Wheelbase on your trucks

[rocklobster]

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Anyone know how much Venture 5.6 Titanium shift WB?

Always thought that forged baseplates extended WB universally. Did some measuring on my Thunder and:

Thunder Team Standard - 3.125"
Thunder Titanium - 3.15"
Thunder Hollow Light - 3.25"

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are the thunder titaniums 52mm tall or shorter than hollow lights?

Tactics doesn't a listing for reference by last I captured on my pair of 148 was:
Titanium - 52.3mm
Hollow Lights - 52.3mm (off Tactics)

Strangely the 149 sits slightly lower:
Titanium - 49.78mm (Tactics)
Hollow Lights- 52.3mm (Tactics)

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Anyone know how much Venture 5.6 Titanium shift WB?

Always thought that forged baseplates extended WB universally. Did some measuring on my Thunder and:

Thunder Team Standard - 3.125"
Thunder Titanium - 3.15"
Thunder Hollow Light - 3.25"

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Pretty sure it’s the same as the other forged ventures (3.5 or 3.4), just did a rough estimate with my handy ruler and was getting around 17.5 center to center on a 14 wb

Thanks buddy, they are super tempting buy that kind of WB extension is a little too much for me, it would really limit my board selections to those a 14" WB, seems like my ideal axle to axle WB is around 17.5" give or take.

[Fred Gerwer Frank Gall]

Another reason I prefer the standard Thunders.

[munchbox]

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Anyone know how much Venture 5.6 Titanium shift WB?

Always thought that forged baseplates extended WB universally. Did some measuring on my Thunder and:

Thunder Team Standard - 3.125"
Thunder Titanium - 3.15"
Thunder Hollow Light - 3.25"

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are the thunder titaniums 52mm tall or shorter than hollow lights?

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Tactics doesn't a listing for reference by last I captured on my pair of 148 was:
Titanium - 52.3mm
Hollow Lights - 52.3mm (off Tactics)

Strangely the 149 sits slightly lower:
Titanium - 49.78mm (Tactics)
Hollow Lights- 52.3mm (Tactics)

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Anyone know how much Venture 5.6 Titanium shift WB?

Always thought that forged baseplates extended WB universally. Did some measuring on my Thunder and:

Thunder Team Standard - 3.125"
Thunder Titanium - 3.15"
Thunder Hollow Light - 3.25"

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Pretty sure it’s the same as the other forged ventures (3.5 or 3.4), just did a rough estimate with my handy ruler and was getting around 17.5 center to center on a 14 wb

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Thanks buddy, they are super tempting buy that kind of WB extension is a little too much for me, it would really limit my board selections to those a 14" WB, seems like my ideal axle to axle WB is around 17.5" give or take.

im pretty sure the 148s are supposed to be lower than the 149s, ben degros did a review on the 148s saying they are lower

edit: 147s and he rounded up to 51mm. really doubting 149s are sub 50

[rocklobster]

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Anyone know how much Venture 5.6 Titanium shift WB?

Always thought that forged baseplates extended WB universally. Did some measuring on my Thunder and:

Thunder Team Standard - 3.125"
Thunder Titanium - 3.15"
Thunder Hollow Light - 3.25"

[close]

are the thunder titaniums 52mm tall or shorter than hollow lights?

[close]

Tactics doesn't a listing for reference by last I captured on my pair of 148 was:
Titanium - 52.3mm
Hollow Lights - 52.3mm (off Tactics)

Strangely the 149 sits slightly lower:
Titanium - 49.78mm (Tactics)
Hollow Lights- 52.3mm (Tactics)

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Anyone know how much Venture 5.6 Titanium shift WB?

Always thought that forged baseplates extended WB universally. Did some measuring on my Thunder and:

Thunder Team Standard - 3.125"
Thunder Titanium - 3.15"
Thunder Hollow Light - 3.25"

[close]

Pretty sure it’s the same as the other forged ventures (3.5 or 3.4), just did a rough estimate with my handy ruler and was getting around 17.5 center to center on a 14 wb

[close]

Thanks buddy, they are super tempting buy that kind of WB extension is a little too much for me, it would really limit my board selections to those a 14" WB, seems like my ideal axle to axle WB is around 17.5" give or take.

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im pretty sure the 148s are supposed to be lower than the 149s, ben degros did a review on the 148s saying they are lower

edit: 147s and he rounded up to 51mm. really doubting 149s are sub 50

Well truck height is easier to overcome, slap some risers on there and you're good.

[FakieFlipCG]

For my fellow petite truck riders

Independent 139 Titanium: +3.00 in
Thunder 147 Hollow Light: +3.3125 in

Measured both sides and got the average

[Sativa Lung]

Strangely the 149 sits slightly lower:
Titanium - 49.78mm (Tactics)
Hollow Lights- 52.3mm (Tactics)

I think that's using the old 149 measurement for the Titaniums. I've got a set of 149 night titaniums and they're about the same as the hollows. If anything mine are like a half mil higher than the hollows, but that might just be my floorboards not being perfectly level or something.

[m477]

My previous setup of ace 55s with Jason Adams black label 8.75, 14.5 wb has the same axle wb as my current setup of venture 6.1 on primitive spencer Hamilton 8.6, 14wb (About 17 7/16)

[Sedition]

This is possibly the nerdest thread I've read on this page, and I love every word of it.

I was bored at the shop a few years back, and we started comparing baseplates. I took a sheet of paper and drew long straight line on it. We then placed a given base plate on the paper, so that line ran directly through the center of the two outer most holes. We then traced the base plate on the paper. This gave us a direct visual representation of how/where a give base plates "sits" on your board in relation to other ones. I'll see if I can dig up the tracings. No real surprises, Venture stuck "out" the most, and Thunders the least (stuck out the most on the opposite end).

But back to wheelbase. Not sure what methods people use to measure comparative truck wheelbase, but I basically use the same one as above. It works quite well. Draw a line on sheet of paper. Place truck so that the line goes through inner most holes. Look over truck from above, and mark spot on paper that is directly below center of axle. Measure the distance between that mark, and the hole line, and you've got your comparative numbers (I actually do both sides, and then average).

I noticed that Cast V-5.6s were NOT included in this thread (or I missed it). I have a set. I'll add those numbers later on today.   

[jay_nev]

This is possibly the nerdest thread I've read on this page, and I love every word of it.

I was bored at the shop a few years back, and we started comparing baseplates. I took a sheet of paper and drew long straight line on it. We then placed a given base plate on the paper, so that line ran directly through the center of the two outer most holes. We then traced the base plate on the paper. This gave us a direct visual representation of how/where a give base plates "sits" on your board in relation to other ones. I'll see if I can dig up the tracings. No real surprises, Venture stuck "out" the most, and Thunders the least (stuck out the most on the opposite end).

But back to wheelbase. Not sure what methods people use to measure comparative truck wheelbase, but I basically use the same one as above. It works quite well. Draw a line on sheet of paper. Place truck so that the line goes through inner most holes. Look over truck from above, and mark spot on paper that is directly below center of axle. Measure the distance between that mark, and the hole line, and you've got your comparative numbers (I actually do both sides, and then average).

I noticed that Cast V-5.6s were NOT included in this thread (or I missed it). I have a set. I'll add those numbers later on today.   

Ok about baseplate sitting on your board, but what about where the axle sits in relation to the baseplate? That changes for each truck. On your next paragraph you mention "eyeballing" where the axle sits from above? Doesn't seem accurate

[Sedition]

Ok about baseplate sitting on your board, but what about where the axle sits in relation to the baseplate? That changes for each truck.

Correct. The first paragraph about baseplates is in reference to baseplates ONLY. No account for axle, at all, in anyway.

On your next paragraph you mention "eyeballing" where the axle sits from above? Doesn't seem accurate.

Also correct. Much of this thread has been dedicated to crude design of trucks, "eyeballing it" and the lack of truly accurate means to measure these things. The method I described above is no different. I supposed you could drop a weighted string down to get a plumbline from center axle, but I do not think that would reveal substantial differences from "eyeballing it." I could be wrong, however.

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In regards wheelbase, axle to axle seems like it would be the important measurement.

[Sedition]

In regards wheelbase, axle to axle seems like it would be the important measurement.

I would suggest you reread this entire thread. The point I was making was about the +2.75, +3, +3.2 type measurements.

[palelight]

In regards wheelbase, axle to axle seems like it would be the important measurement.

Indeed. Having probably added a good amount of unnecessary madness to this thread and others like it (apologies), I'll say the easiest method for getting a good WB measurement, all you need is a tape measure (and maybe a calculator). 

You're going to get two different measurements, unavoidable. Trucks are never truly centered at the yoke. Measure one side axle center to axle center (ex. 17.375") measure the other side (ex. 17.125"). Subtract the smaller number from the bigger = .125."  Add it to the smaller number, .125" + 17.125" = 17.25," there's your wheelbase.

Trucks shift in so many ways - the bushings compressing and corroding, holes ovalizing, kingpins loosening, pivot cups blowing out - all of which would shift your wheelbase, getting pretty close measurements will probably have to suffice.

[rocklobster]

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In regards wheelbase, axle to axle seems like it would be the important measurement.

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Indeed. Having probably added a good amount of unnecessary madness to this thread and others like it (apologies), I'll say the easiest method for getting a good WB measurement, all you need is a tape measure (and maybe a calculator). 

You're going to get two different measurements, unavoidable. Trucks are never truly centered at the yoke. Measure one side axle center to axle center (ex. 17.375") measure the other side (ex. 17.125"). Subtract the smaller number from the bigger = .125."  Add it to the smaller number, .125" + 17.125" = 17.25," there's your wheelbase.

Trucks shift in so many ways - the bushings compressing and corroding, holes ovalizing, kingpins loosening, pivot cups blowing out - all of which would shift your wheelbase, getting pretty close measurements will probably have to suffice.

Great even more factors for my truck madness.

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In regards wheelbase, axle to axle seems like it would be the important measurement.

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Indeed. Having probably added a good amount of unnecessary madness to this thread and others like it (apologies), I'll say the easiest method for getting a good WB measurement, all you need is a tape measure (and maybe a calculator). 

You're going to get two different measurements, unavoidable. Trucks are never truly centered at the yoke. Measure one side axle center to axle center (ex. 17.375") measure the other side (ex. 17.125"). Subtract the smaller number from the bigger = .125."  Add it to the smaller number, .125" + 17.125" = 17.25," there's your wheelbase.

Trucks shift in so many ways - the bushings compressing and corroding, holes ovalizing, kingpins loosening, pivot cups blowing out - all of which would shift your wheelbase, getting pretty close measurements will probably have to suffice.

You actually really tried to provide relevant information before people came in with nonsense.


Sedition- I’ve read the thread. If you are speaking about wheelbase, then axle to axle is the wheelbase, baseplate size and shape don’t usurp that. I like hearing people’s ideas, and thought process, but there is a lot of stuff like ‘such and such brings the wheelbase in’, that get pretty murky.
Baseplates, wheel sizes, tail/nose lengths and angles, most definitely play into the leverage points, and that may be what many of us are also talking about when we talk about the wheelbase.
I dunno what I’m talking about.
As I see it there is hole to hole ‘wheelbase’ and axle to axle, hence ‘+3.25” added’

[palelight]

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In regards wheelbase, axle to axle seems like it would be the important measurement.

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Indeed. Having probably added a good amount of unnecessary madness to this thread and others like it (apologies), I'll say the easiest method for getting a good WB measurement, all you need is a tape measure (and maybe a calculator). 

You're going to get two different measurements, unavoidable. Trucks are never truly centered at the yoke. Measure one side axle center to axle center (ex. 17.375") measure the other side (ex. 17.125"). Subtract the smaller number from the bigger = .125."  Add it to the smaller number, .125" + 17.125" = 17.25," there's your wheelbase.

Trucks shift in so many ways - the bushings compressing and corroding, holes ovalizing, kingpins loosening, pivot cups blowing out - all of which would shift your wheelbase, getting pretty close measurements will probably have to suffice.

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Great even more factors for my truck madness.

I shoulda clarified, those shifts would be minuscule, but enough to offset getting hyper anal about WB measurement.

[jay_nev]

the claim that polar now measures wb from the edge of hole to edge of hole instead of center to center kind of tripping me out.

[Sedition]

Sedition- I’ve read the thread. If you are speaking about wheelbase, then axle to axle is the wheelbase, baseplate size and shape don’t usurp that. I like hearing people’s ideas, and thought process, but there is a lot of stuff like ‘such and such brings the wheelbase in’, that get pretty murky.
Baseplates, wheel sizes, tail/nose lengths and angles, most definitely play into the leverage points, and that may be what many of us are also talking about when we talk about the wheelbase.
I dunno what I’m talking about.
As I see it there is hole to hole ‘wheelbase’ and axle to axle, hence ‘+3.25” added’

I feel that most people who read my post will realize that the comments about baseplate shape/etc., and how we used a baseline line to measure them, was a segway into the second part about how I have measured axle placement on trucks, and is not, by any means, saying the two are correlated. If they were confused by that, I expressly stated in a subsequent post. In short, I think most people will fully grasp what I was saying. If you do not, I am OK with that (no pun intended).  "...such and such brings the wheelbase in" was perfectly clear to me when I read in previous posts, too.

[YungJugg]

On the topic of measuring trucks, how is height measured? Bottom of baseplate to the highest point on the hanger? Or to mid axle?

[palelight]

On the topic of measuring trucks, how is height measured? Bottom of baseplate to the highest point on the hanger? Or to mid axle?

Bottom of the baseplate to mid-axle. Not the easiest thing to measure at home though, especially when some brands get down to .5mm. 

[FakieFlipCG]

For my fellow petite truck riders

Independent 139 Titanium: +3.00 in
Thunder 147 Hollow Light: +3.3125 in

Measured both sides and got the average

Thunder 147 Raw: +3.25

[Skatebeard]

I'm having a wheelbase nerd out kind of day, so here's my contribution-

Thunder Lights II 148 - +3.125

Got some ventures coming in the week so I will add those on as well...interested to see if they push out the WB more than these thunders.

[GBLange]

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In regards wheelbase, axle to axle seems like it would be the important measurement.

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Indeed. Having probably added a good amount of unnecessary madness to this thread and others like it (apologies), I'll say the easiest method for getting a good WB measurement, all you need is a tape measure (and maybe a calculator). 

You're going to get two different measurements, unavoidable. Trucks are never truly centered at the yoke. Measure one side axle center to axle center (ex. 17.375") measure the other side (ex. 17.125"). Subtract the smaller number from the bigger = .125."  Add it to the smaller number, .125" + 17.125" = 17.25," there's your wheelbase.

Trucks shift in so many ways - the bushings compressing and corroding, holes ovalizing, kingpins loosening, pivot cups blowing out - all of which would shift your wheelbase, getting pretty close measurements will probably have to suffice.

Or just add both measurements then divide by 2, to get the average reading

[hellawatters]

Curious what about the forged baseplates (at least on ventures) that shifts the WB out?

[rocklobster]

Curious what about the forged baseplates (at least on ventures) that shifts the WB out?

Good rule of thumb is:
Venture Cast - +3.25"
Venture Forged - +3.4 - 3.5"

[Mbrimson88]

I am wondering if anyone has placed their various trucks on the edge of a table or bench, (or the metal edge of the glass cabinet in the skate shop) then just put two deck bolts through the inside truck holes and compared the distance between each truck axle, in both wheelbase and height.

I know the thread has pretty much all those details and measurements noted, but often to see and do it with new untampered with trucks would be a good way to see any differences with your own eyes.

*** Especially right in front of you in said shop if you could, which was what I was meaning.

[ballintoohard]

Measurements yesterday:

-Indy Forged Hollow 149: +3.125
-Venture 5.6 cast: +3.25
-Thunder Ti Hollow Lite 148: +3.25
-Thunder Team Hollow: +3.2

[Torre]

I’d like to see some more measurement for wider trucks (for instance, I skate Indy 159 and 169 interchangeable)
Most of these values are only going up to 8.5 width trucks. If I knew I would add it myself.
* correction, there is the 169 standards on there but I was wondering about other trucks, like the titaniums and hollows at that size, and the wb of some other brands like those new venture 6.1s. Also would like to see the new Indy mids on here

[moonordie]

Info added to the first page.

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Reading this thread makes me scared to mount my Aces (never ridden) on my 14.25 wb deck. I'm used to 14.2-14.375wb decks with mostly indys and a few sets of thunders.