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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #180 on: December 27, 2020, 03:24:04 PM »
Reading this thread makes me scared to mount my Aces (never ridden) on my 14.25 wb deck. I'm used to 14.2-14.375wb decks with mostly indys and a few sets of thunders.

If you have them, set them up and try it, even if it is inside on carpet just to feel the "lightness" in the lift to manual or put the tail down.

The difference is not like going from a 7.5 to a 9 inch wide deck, or going from 99 duro to 80 duro cruiser wheels.

I have all of them and although there are very slight and subtle differences, it is not that much that total unless you are fine tuning the setup so precisely that you would notice every tiny detail.

It is the same thing going from a 14.25 to a 14.38 wheelbase - yes there is a very slight difference but not so much that it would throw out your whole ride.  Going to greater extremes might, but if you already have them, you can try them and see before getting gear madness about it.

I talk too much about skateboards.  Sorry.

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #181 on: December 29, 2020, 02:51:39 PM »
I’d love to know the wheelbase for Indy Mids

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #182 on: December 29, 2020, 04:50:15 PM »
I’d love to know the wheelbase for Indy Mids

I didn't measure, but hit the Indy Mid thread and you will see that that they sit leaning inwards compared to forged (so probably on par with cast regs).

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #183 on: January 10, 2021, 01:39:49 PM »
Any info on Mini logo, Destructo and the new Krux (k5)?

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #184 on: January 10, 2021, 07:17:41 PM »
krux k5 measured at 3 for me

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #185 on: January 10, 2021, 07:54:14 PM »
Any info on Mini logo, Destructo and the new Krux (k5)?

Destruco D2 Mids add around 3.125" to WB last I measured.
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #186 on: January 18, 2021, 07:24:39 PM »
Awesome, thanks @rocklobster and @Bobdylanjaeb !

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #187 on: February 04, 2021, 12:33:29 PM »
I just spent some time measuring trucks and figured I would add a few I don't see on the list.
(disclaimer: all dimensions approximate)


Thunder 161 (9.125" axle) +3.10" wb (52mm height)

Indy 215 Stage 11 (10" axle) + 3.00" wb (55mm height)

ACE 66 (9.35" axle) +2.65" wb (54mm height)

« Last Edit: February 04, 2021, 01:28:06 PM by kimura »

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #188 on: February 04, 2021, 12:48:29 PM »
I always struggle measuring height. @kimura what was your method?
And damn.. seeing it like that ace shortens the wb a lot. Hard to make up the difference of actual wheelbase with the deck

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #189 on: February 04, 2021, 12:57:09 PM »
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I always struggle measuring height. @kimura what was your method?
And damn.. seeing it like that ace shortens the wb a lot. Hard to make up the difference of actual wheelbase with the deck
I measured height simply by setting the truck on the edge of my workbench and using my caliper from the surface of my bench to the center of the axle. My measurements are pretty close but I suppose they could easily go 1mm up or down in either direction.


Yes I was surprised with the ACE wb as well. I had to triple check and I even compared them to Indy's and they definitely shorten things up.

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #190 on: February 04, 2021, 01:17:38 PM »
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I always struggle measuring height. @kimura what was your method?
And damn.. seeing it like that ace shortens the wb a lot. Hard to make up the difference of actual wheelbase with the deck
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I measured height simply by setting the truck on the edge of my workbench and using my caliper from the surface of my bench to the center of the axle. My measurements are pretty close but I suppose they could easily go 1mm up or down in either direction.


Yes I was surprised with the ACE wb as well. I had to triple check and I even compared them to Indy's and they definitely shorten things up.
got it, that makes sense. And you took an average of both axles sides for the wb measurement?

Just for reference Tactics lists
Ace 66 as 53.3mm
Thunder 161 53mm

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #191 on: February 04, 2021, 01:23:40 PM »
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I always struggle measuring height. @kimura what was your method?
And damn.. seeing it like that ace shortens the wb a lot. Hard to make up the difference of actual wheelbase with the deck
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I measured height simply by setting the truck on the edge of my workbench and using my caliper from the surface of my bench to the center of the axle. My measurements are pretty close but I suppose they could easily go 1mm up or down in either direction.


Yes I was surprised with the ACE wb as well. I had to triple check and I even compared them to Indy's and they definitely shorten things up.
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got it, that makes sense. And you took an average of both axles sides for the wb measurement?

Just for reference Tactics lists
Ace 66 as 53.3mm
Thunder 161 53mm

Yup and that's exactly why I put that little disclaimer in my post.

Measuring such small measurements with hand tools and eyeballing it will most likely lead to a margin of error. And at the end of the day is .3mm , 1mm, or even 2mm really going to make a difference? I say nope.

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #192 on: February 11, 2021, 03:58:01 PM »
I took it even further and measured the (nonexisting) difference bushings make.
Possible ±1mm error due to reading off the tape leads to 0.05" error in the result, pretty accurate.

Thunder 148 titanium lights, 52mm height:
Standard bushings: +3.09 ± 0.05
Bones bushings, no bottom washer: +3.04 ± 0.05

Thunder 147 hollow lights: +3.35 ± 0.05
« Last Edit: February 11, 2021, 04:13:48 PM by goodatmeth »

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #193 on: February 11, 2021, 07:36:18 PM »
I took it even further and measured the (nonexisting) difference bushings make.
Possible ±1mm error due to reading off the tape leads to 0.05" error in the result, pretty accurate.

Thunder 148 titanium lights, 52mm height:
Standard bushings: +3.09 ± 0.05
Bones bushings, no bottom washer: +3.04 ± 0.05

Thunder 147 hollow lights: +3.35 ± 0.05


I’ve done this. Or sort of this. Measured height of assorted stock bushing/washers to help assess the “best” fitting aftermarket bushings for a given truck.
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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #194 on: April 17, 2021, 02:26:37 PM »
AF1 info via @SweetLou

Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #195 on: May 11, 2021, 05:44:57 AM »
First post on Slap not sure if this is how I do it or not. Stoked on 8.75 trucks recently. I’m on standard cast Venture 6.1 (3.125 extension), but does anyone know Thunder 151 wheelbase extension?

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #196 on: May 11, 2021, 05:51:21 AM »
First post on Slap not sure if this is how I do it or not. Stoked on 8.75 trucks recently. I’m on standard cast Venture 6.1 (3.125 extension), but does anyone know Thunder 151 wheelbase extension?

I'm not sure of the numbers exactly, but I believe Thunders extend wheelbase a wee bit less than ventures. You can always try the search bar above while in any thread (or board too) with keywords, the search will show you any posts with these keywords present.

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #197 on: May 11, 2021, 08:58:25 AM »
First post on Slap not sure if this is how I do it or not. Stoked on 8.75 trucks recently. I’m on standard cast Venture 6.1 (3.125 extension), but does anyone know Thunder 151 wheelbase extension?

Yes, another truck thread, but this one is the one we wanted to have regarding about how an specific truck affects the WB of our setup.
As Palelight pointed:
"So as an example, if your deck wb is 14.25," and you ride Indy's your true axle to axle wheelbase is 17.25." The distance from the inner bolt hole to the center of the closest axle is added to the overall measurement, in this case, 1.5" per side."

I'll update the list as soon people add info.
Let's start:

Thunder 149 team edition (8.5" axle): + 3.1875"

Thunder Hollow Lights 151 (8.75" axle): + 3.25"

Thunder Ti Hollow Lite 148: +3.25

Thunder 147 Hollow Light: +3.3125 in[/b]

Destruco D2 Mids: +3.125

Thunder 161 (9.125" axle) +3.10" wb (52mm height)



Of course every measurement could be not 100% accurate so if you want to double check you're more than welcome.
Kudos to all the pals who fuel this such as palelight, software and AngryBlackMan ✌️

I don't have a pair on hand but it looks like it will be a similar case for your 151s. 3.15" on cast baseplate, 3.25" on forged baseplate.
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #198 on: May 11, 2021, 12:15:23 PM »
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First post on Slap not sure if this is how I do it or not. Stoked on 8.75 trucks recently. I’m on standard cast Venture 6.1 (3.125 extension), but does anyone know Thunder 151 wheelbase extension?
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I'm not sure of the numbers exactly, but I believe Thunders extend wheelbase a wee bit less than ventures. You can always try the search bar above while in any thread (or board too) with keywords, the search will show you any posts with these keywords present.

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #199 on: May 16, 2021, 11:28:02 AM »
First post! Appropriately enough in a dorky measurement thread.

My Film 6.0 Raws with the 4 hole baseplate got 79.5mm, which works out to 3.13". This surprised me a bit since the 5.5s on the first post are listed at 2.875". I'm wondering if the newer 4 hole baseplate had some changes from the OG 6 hole?

Also take all this with a grain of salt, some of other my measurements don't agree with the posted values. BUT my AF1 55 results came to 75.5mm, which is 2.972" which is close to the other measurement posted above so I'm confident enough in my method.

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #200 on: May 17, 2021, 02:04:37 AM »
My Film 6.0 Raws with the 4 hole baseplate got 79.5mm, which works out to 3.13". This surprised me a bit since the 5.5s on the first post are listed at 2.875". I'm wondering if the newer 4 hole baseplate had some changes from the OG 6 hole?

Please post pics and details to Film Truck topic too.

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #201 on: July 06, 2021, 10:00:44 AM »
Venture 5.6 V Hollows (+ 3.38”)

Measured on two Antiheros (14” WB and a 14.25” WB) to double check. Anyone know if the V Lights and V Hollows are any different? Or are they the same because of the forged plates?

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #202 on: July 06, 2021, 10:07:36 AM »
Venture 5.6 V Hollows (+ 3.38”)

Measured on two Antiheros (14” WB and a 14.25” WB) to double check. Anyone know if the V Lights and V Hollows are any different? Or are they the same because of the forged plates?

 same baseplates so should be the same

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #203 on: July 11, 2021, 03:58:12 PM »
Added new info on the first page
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forgive me if i somehow missed it, but could someone help me with just how flat the flat as fuck decks really are?
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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #204 on: July 16, 2021, 04:15:12 AM »
I also measured +2.95 for ace AF1 44

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #205 on: July 16, 2021, 04:48:57 AM »
To further complicate truck madness,  I’m thinking a lower truck height of thunder may negate the extension of wheelbase due to making point of contact quicker.   This related less to turning and more to tricks I guess.   

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #206 on: July 16, 2021, 05:48:10 AM »
has anyone measured what difference kingpin tightness makes on the WB size? tightening as far as you can vs ultra loose is going to change the geometry

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #207 on: July 16, 2021, 06:22:32 AM »
has anyone measured what difference kingpin tightness makes on the WB size? tightening as far as you can vs ultra loose is going to change the geometry

You also have to wonder if the trucks being measured and perfectly centered in their pivots, and how new or beaten up the bushings are. That is obviously enough to fuck up a measurement big time when you’re getting down to 1/16ths of an inch intervals. I’m all for some truck madness, but this thread takes it too far for me

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #208 on: July 16, 2021, 10:09:04 AM »
What if you don't care and just have fun skating.

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Re: WB on your trucks
« Reply #209 on: July 16, 2021, 10:45:01 AM »
What if you don't care and just have fun skating.

That's all good too.