Venture 2020

[rob]

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The Indy mid, Ace Lo, Slappy trucks….all Covid boom decisions….we got the hollow casts…and a mm off the bushings….thats all we’re getting… it’s over.  If anything Thunder will get the IKP but I wouldn’t hold my breath about any new venture shit…..how about a Bobby Puleo signature headwear?

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if someone really wanted a low truck, wide, ace makes the 60s.
indy mids have their issues but they had those in wide sizes.
i’ve skated 151 thunder hollow lights, those worked well.

i’ll buy wide lo’s if they make em.


just bought x97s, 52s, as an attempt to only skate my beloved 5.2 L’s

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149 Forged Indy mids are soo nice - Shame they didn't make any without the IKP. They should have just made a 52mm cast Mindy, no IKP, no beefed up hanger...along side the forged mindys for those that want a low (50.5mm is fine).

I agree I love a solid kingpin but you know they would have to shorten the kingpin for clearance and that’s gonna be an issue with those who want a standard and can get mixed up with the reg height indy but nothing a simple bushing color and label can’t fix, just like the stage 4 reissue with red and Indy logo bushings compared to solid orange on standard stage 11 the mids with reg pins would need some probably gotti black bushings that are labeled mid but then again blue bushings would be best, red=stage 4, orange= stage 11 standard, blue= stage 11 mid.

Thanks to Ben and sewa I copped an old set of venture 5.2L pre deluxe merger I got lucky to find and so far I like them, they’re definitely I feel more turny, lighter and stable but I can see what sewa meant putting them side to side with the modern venture on Ben degros ventures, the modern 5.2 lo are more beefy and contoured on the pivot stem to hangar and they feel a little tighter or just less able to cut in a turn, the more modern ones to me kinda have that krux lean to them. Bushings can fix it but idk, what do I even know I’m just a kook with madness. The beefiness on the modern venture I can see why tho, they definitely look weak on the pivot stem and will snap if your trucks are tight and you land hard and jump alot of stuff.

Also I really hope Sinclair drops a slappy low, the standards are little high and tippy for me like a standard Indy stage 11 type 

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The Indy mid, Ace Lo, Slappy trucks….all Covid boom decisions….we got the hollow casts…and a mm off the bushings….thats all we’re getting… it’s over.  If anything Thunder will get the IKP but I wouldn’t hold my breath about any new venture shit…..how about a Bobby Puleo signature headwear?

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if someone really wanted a low truck, wide, ace makes the 60s.
indy mids have their issues but they had those in wide sizes.
i’ve skated 151 thunder hollow lights, those worked well.

i’ll buy wide lo’s if they make em.


just bought x97s, 52s, as an attempt to only skate my beloved 5.2 L’s

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149 Forged Indy mids are soo nice - Shame they didn't make any without the IKP. They should have just made a 52mm cast Mindy, no IKP, no beefed up hanger...along side the forged mindys for those that want a low (50.5mm is fine).

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I agree I love a solid kingpin but you know they would have to shorten the kingpin for clearance and that’s gonna be an issue with those who want a standard and can get mixed up with the reg height indy but nothing a simple bushing color and label can’t fix, just like the stage 4 reissue with red and Indy logo bushings compared to solid orange on standard stage 11 the mids with reg pins would need some probably gotti black bushings that are labeled mid but then again blue bushings would be best, red=stage 4, orange= stage 11 standard, blue= stage 11 mid.

Thanks to Ben and sewa I copped an old set of venture 5.2L pre deluxe merger I got lucky to find and so far I like them, they’re definitely I feel more turny, lighter and stable but I can see what sewa meant putting them side to side with the modern venture on Ben degros ventures, the modern 5.2 lo are more beefy and contoured on the pivot stem to hangar and they feel a little tighter or just less able to cut in a turn, the more modern ones to me kinda have that krux lean to them. Bushings can fix it but idk, what do I even know I’m just a kook with madness. The beefiness on the modern venture I can see why tho, they definitely look weak on the pivot stem and will snap if your trucks are tight and you land hard and jump alot of stuff.

Also I really hope Sinclair drops a slappy low, the standards are little high and tippy for me like a standard Indy stage 11 type

i believe the previous royals, which i actually liked quite a bit, were 50.5. i like that height.
i’d probably love the forged indy mids.
the ikp is why i didn’t buy them.
i don’t like the height on indys, probably why i prefer stage 10s.

i say that i don’t like the height, but i don’t know what im talking about. i don’t like my pop, with indys quite as much. even that isn’t accurate: when i skate indys, sometimes i can hit a miracle, but i strikeout a lot. kickflips get messed up, but 360 flips are better.

after watching that episode, i too wanted to try the older ventures. the 5.2 hi’s, from street corner, would be sick.
older ventures are harder to find. less popular, compared to indy.

[rob]

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The Indy mid, Ace Lo, Slappy trucks….all Covid boom decisions….we got the hollow casts…and a mm off the bushings….thats all we’re getting… it’s over.  If anything Thunder will get the IKP but I wouldn’t hold my breath about any new venture shit…..how about a Bobby Puleo signature headwear?

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if someone really wanted a low truck, wide, ace makes the 60s.
indy mids have their issues but they had those in wide sizes.
i’ve skated 151 thunder hollow lights, those worked well.

i’ll buy wide lo’s if they make em.


just bought x97s, 52s, as an attempt to only skate my beloved 5.2 L’s

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149 Forged Indy mids are soo nice - Shame they didn't make any without the IKP. They should have just made a 52mm cast Mindy, no IKP, no beefed up hanger...along side the forged mindys for those that want a low (50.5mm is fine).

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I agree I love a solid kingpin but you know they would have to shorten the kingpin for clearance and that’s gonna be an issue with those who want a standard and can get mixed up with the reg height indy but nothing a simple bushing color and label can’t fix, just like the stage 4 reissue with red and Indy logo bushings compared to solid orange on standard stage 11 the mids with reg pins would need some probably gotti black bushings that are labeled mid but then again blue bushings would be best, red=stage 4, orange= stage 11 standard, blue= stage 11 mid.

Thanks to Ben and sewa I copped an old set of venture 5.2L pre deluxe merger I got lucky to find and so far I like them, they’re definitely I feel more turny, lighter and stable but I can see what sewa meant putting them side to side with the modern venture on Ben degros ventures, the modern 5.2 lo are more beefy and contoured on the pivot stem to hangar and they feel a little tighter or just less able to cut in a turn, the more modern ones to me kinda have that krux lean to them. Bushings can fix it but idk, what do I even know I’m just a kook with madness. The beefiness on the modern venture I can see why tho, they definitely look weak on the pivot stem and will snap if your trucks are tight and you land hard and jump alot of stuff.

Also I really hope Sinclair drops a slappy low, the standards are little high and tippy for me like a standard Indy stage 11 type

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i believe the previous royals, which i actually liked quite a bit, were 50.5. i like that height.
i’d probably love the forged indy mids.
the ikp is why i didn’t buy them.
i don’t like the height on indys, probably why i prefer stage 10s.

i say that i don’t like the height, but i don’t know what im talking about. i don’t like my pop, with indys quite as much. even that isn’t accurate: when i skate indys, sometimes i can hit a miracle, but i strikeout a lot. kickflips get messed up, but 360 flips are better.

after watching that episode, i too wanted to try the older ventures. the 5.2 hi’s, from street corner, would be sick.
older ventures are harder to find. less popular, compared to indy.

Yeah I’m trying to get my hands on a set of 139 royals the current stage but from what I’m seeing and heard at the shop there’s a shortage of royal trucks in certain sizes,

I just don’t like the feel of the forged Indy’s, the the forged baseplates feel and sound so flimsy even though they’re supposed to be stronger, lighter and faster(just joking) but they just have this really off clunk to them, I’m curious if the mids make any difference since the hangars are beefier and it has a shaft nut in the baseplate. I got it they feel like cause it’s thinner they rattle you more on the terrain and I hate it

I got an old set of stage 10 149 my friend gave me and they’re fun and nostalgic but man they do not turn much and the angle makes the pop kinda odd, I love the nostalgia factor cause ha slam and hoffart would kill it with stage 10’s and the classic bones mediums swap but stage 11 even on the discontinued lows (that Leo Romero would be the only rider of) turned better but they were just a touch too low

Tiago and Carlos really hype me up to ride mids and I had them setup perfectly on my krooked full 8.2 but the madness eventually set in and I F**ked it all up, raw 144 mids

I think ima get a pair of 139 forged mids now

Yeah they were a real where’s Waldo moment cause most people had the old ventures in the 5.0 lo/7.6 but thanks to my madness brain experience I spotted a set on an old crusty think setup an older guy was selling for cheap and nabbed them asap, it took a day or 2 to make sure what I was looking at was the 5.2 cause the deluxe remastered venture with stronger hangar and baseplate I like the 5.0 but the 5.2 are a little hefty for low 8” trucks, but you already know you can see the hangar has some extra length in reference to the kingpin and size of the baseplate that’s how I made a good guess

Crazy side note, the old ventures hangars are a little longer which you would think it’s the other way around and the older ones don’t have the 5.2L casted on the hangar.

I can’t say yet if they’re night and day difference and better than the DLX remaster but they’re slightly more pulled back and feel like they snap quicker so maybe that’s what sewa was talking about

I’ll try to post pics to show a better comparison soon

All the old venture guys really hype me on these like pj cause I wanna skate just like him but we’ll see how long that last

I always wanted a pair of ventures back in the hay day of 7.5-7.8 decks and 7.6 trucks being the norm and riding your wheels to death like they slappy trucks to axle today and trying to bomb your bearings til there’s no more lube so it would hiss and be “faster” and roll longer, days before the madness ever was even a thought I tried out my friends setup with krux the ole 3.5 downlows and loved them so I forgot about the venture hype, also this was peak ventures being the cool trucks cause low and light and I couldn’t afford a set

Anyways those kader 5.6 cast hollows are really nice but I can’t justify the spending since I already have a set of 5.6

I wonder if they’re gonna do a redesign anytime soon for “more turn” and a wider lo truck(that 5.6 lo)

[j....soy.....]

The only thing I really see/hear is Thunder is probably doing something…..Venture is always going to be the stepchild and that’s why we love it…..

[hiljentaa]

I wonder if they’re gonna do a redesign anytime soon for “more turn” and a wider lo truck(that 5.6 lo)

I promise you, neither of these will ever happen.

[rocklobster]

The only thing I really see/hear is Thunder is probably doing something…..Venture is always going to be the stepchild and that’s why we love it…..

Seeing Ishod ride Ventures with the double drilled baseplates gives me a glimmer of hope that we'd get something new, but I'm not holding my breath for that.

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The only thing I really see/hear is Thunder is probably doing something…..Venture is always going to be the stepchild and that’s why we love it…..

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Seeing Ishod ride Ventures with the double drilled baseplates gives me a glimmer of hope that we'd get something new, but I'm not holding my breath for that.

i’d just like the measurements of the dbl drilled baseplate.

[Jaewon]

As a long time indy/ace guy, I now fully believe in the venture, long tail gang.

[Mbrimson88]

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The only thing I really see/hear is Thunder is probably doing something…..Venture is always going to be the stepchild and that’s why we love it…..

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Seeing Ishod ride Ventures with the double drilled baseplates gives me a glimmer of hope that we'd get something new, but I'm not holding my breath for that.

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i’d just like the measurements of the dbl drilled baseplate.

The original six hole baseplates made it 3/8 difference on each truck, but I think those trucks are drilled about 1/4" each so a half inch shorter wheelbase in total, which works really well for some of those longer boards out there, especially if you like a little more in the tail too.

As Venture are longer in wheelbase anyway, it actually works out really well, on something like the DLX 8.38 board with 14.5 wb that comes down to 14 even, which is what I put those trucks on when I tried them out.


I still haven't seen any more about them, or tried drilling out any of these baseplates I have here, but it is on the to do list, that's for sure.

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The only thing I really see/hear is Thunder is probably doing something…..Venture is always going to be the stepchild and that’s why we love it…..

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Seeing Ishod ride Ventures with the double drilled baseplates gives me a glimmer of hope that we'd get something new, but I'm not holding my breath for that.

[close]

i’d just like the measurements of the dbl drilled baseplate.

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The original six hole baseplates made it 3/8 difference on each truck, but I think those trucks are drilled about 1/4" each so a half inch shorter wheelbase in total, which works really well for some of those longer boards out there, especially if you like a little more in the tail too.

As Venture are longer in wheelbase anyway, it actually works out really well, on something like the DLX 8.38 board with 14.5 wb that comes down to 14 even, which is what I put those trucks on when I tried them out.


I still haven't seen any more about them, or tried drilling out any of these baseplates I have here, but it is on the to do list, that's for sure.

i will bug you about this more, in the future

[Mbrimson88]

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The only thing I really see/hear is Thunder is probably doing something…..Venture is always going to be the stepchild and that’s why we love it…..

[close]

Seeing Ishod ride Ventures with the double drilled baseplates gives me a glimmer of hope that we'd get something new, but I'm not holding my breath for that.

[close]

i’d just like the measurements of the dbl drilled baseplate.

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The original six hole baseplates made it 3/8 difference on each truck, but I think those trucks are drilled about 1/4" each so a half inch shorter wheelbase in total, which works really well for some of those longer boards out there, especially if you like a little more in the tail too.

As Venture are longer in wheelbase anyway, it actually works out really well, on something like the DLX 8.38 board with 14.5 wb that comes down to 14 even, which is what I put those trucks on when I tried them out.


I still haven't seen any more about them, or tried drilling out any of these baseplates I have here, but it is on the to do list, that's for sure.

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i will bug you about this more, in the future

I wonder if anyone has hit up DLX asking about double drilled Venture baseplates yet - could be a thing, or strictly DIY at your own risk type of deal.

Either way, it might make Venture an option for a whole lot more skaters if it was like that - baseplate drilled like a Thunder truck more in the middle than at the ends where it currently sits now.

[rikki]

As Venture bushings are basically nonexistent outside of new trucks, which bushings are the best (size-wise) as replacements for Venture Hi's? Indy?

Tried searching but got lost in the jungle. Much obliged.

[Mbrimson88]

As Venture bushings are basically nonexistent outside of new trucks, which bushings are the best (size-wise) as replacements for Venture Hi's? Indy?

Tried searching but got lost in the jungle. Much obliged.

Indy bushings definitely work in them, maybe the most common bushings to get hold of in almost all duro options and are the same shape and work well.

Other people have tried Doh Dohs, Pig bushings and more I just can't remember right now, with mixed results, but I guess it is down to what you prefer the most.

Or what colours you can or cannot deal with for bushings, but the Indy 88 duro red bushings actually work quite well as stock replacements, or for people who want a little more stiffness in their trucks, but can still turn as needed.

I tried them in everything, mainly because I had a lot of them left over from a shop closing, but they have a reputation for being annoyingly different, otherwise the blue 92 duro work well, no issues and are the most common bushing for people to get, which feel a bit better than stock once broken in.  Of course the orange also work well, but I always feel weird, orange bushings in Indy = yes, orange in any other truck = not if I can help it.

[rikki]

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As Venture bushings are basically nonexistent outside of new trucks, which bushings are the best (size-wise) as replacements for Venture Hi's? Indy?

Tried searching but got lost in the jungle. Much obliged.

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Indy bushings definitely work in them, maybe the most common bushings to get hold of in almost all duro options and are the same shape and work well.

Other people have tried Doh Dohs, Pig bushings and more I just can't remember right now, with mixed results, but I guess it is down to what you prefer the most.

Or what colours you can or cannot deal with for bushings, but the Indy 88 duro red bushings actually work quite well as stock replacements, or for people who want a little more stiffness in their trucks, but can still turn as needed.

I tried them in everything, mainly because I had a lot of them left over from a shop closing, but they have a reputation for being annoyingly different, otherwise the blue 92 duro work well, no issues and are the most common bushing for people to get, which feel a bit better than stock once broken in.  Of course the orange also work well, but I always feel weird, orange bushings in Indy = yes, orange in any other truck = not if I can help it.

Thanks! Yeah I vaguely remember Indy bushings being mentioned as a possible option for Ventures here too, I just wasn't sure about the size. I ride the blue 92s in my Indys and love 'em. Also, no problem about the colour -- I might be in the minority, but I really don't care what colour my bushings are. The more weird the combination the better, almost.

[notinternetfamous]

i'm currently running the blue indy top bushings in venture 5.6s highs. the bushing is slightly taller than stock, but it's been working fine for me

[art hellman]

Why is the thread called venture 2020? Did something change that year? Recently picked up some 6.1s, came with yellow bushings and the manufacture date in the sticker was 2020. Are they still identical to the trucks from this year with the purple bushings?

[Paperclip20]

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Why is the thread called venture 2020? Did something change that year? Recently picked up some 6.1s, came with yellow bushings and the manufacture date in the sticker was 2020. Are they still identical to the trucks from this year with the purple bushings?

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This needs to be written in the scriptures.

[Xen]

As Venture bushings are basically nonexistent outside of new trucks, which bushings are the best (size-wise) as replacements for Venture Hi's? Indy?

Tried searching but got lost in the jungle. Much obliged.

Deluxe Tack & Supply Supercush bushings, if you can find them or just use Indy, the tops are 1mm taller at best and work fine. Currently running Indy Black barrrel bottoms, bones hard tops (they compress down real nice, no need for a washer) in my forged 5.8s now that I ride tighter.

If you like looser, ACE regular bottoms and ACE HARD LOW tops (requires two sets of bushing$); is an amazing combo in Ventures...they get so swervy but still stable.

Was our Savior Bobby riding the 14.44 WB twin back then? Ventures + that wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelbaaaaaaaaaaase.

[munchbox]

im on 14.5 with forged baseplates
the idea that it shouldnt work is greatly exaggerated

[Mbrimson88]

Why is the thread called venture 2020? Did something change that year? Recently picked up some 6.1s, came with yellow bushings and the manufacture date in the sticker was 2020. Are they still identical to the trucks from this year with the purple bushings?

Probably way too late now, but yes they are the same trucks, just the first release of the wider 6.1 truck on the market had the yellow bushings, as per a set I have, compared to a more recent set I just got recently with the usual purple bushings.

Comparing the trucks they are the same look and feel and everything else.



And I have put 6.1 Ventures on an AH white eagle 8.75 board with 14.6 wb and they work well.  Maybe the wider versions work better, but I also skated 5.8 on an 8.5 board which also skated well.

I guess it is down to what you are used to or what you adapt to, not just what facts and figures on paper or the internet say.

[Banned from the room]

The newest shiny Venture bushings are off the chain.

I got to ride two boards today. One the 13.8 wb with 5.8s has white Indy super softs. They're well broken in. They take about two hours to freeze to a Krux k4 cranked tightness.
It's my main winter bushing because of that. Unless I got a dlx loose trucks kit. Or a well cut purple front bushing.

I got my 6.1s on a 14" wb  same brand that have the NEW AWESOME METALLIC Purps. They're the best set of bushings I've had since V2020. Maybe since like 2016. That includes the bones med top ace stock bottom combo that I loved before becoming full time awake.

The purps with the Glow and the light color don't freeze all the way. When they do my flat washers jingle and the Heaven Ride kicks in like VTEC.

It's the best feeling on earth. I should just chop a mm of my bait and tackle hard green warlords. I got um on ice. Case I get a ride up to the ramp. Then I'll bust um out. Show everyone the glory.

I hope they stick around. Everyone who's stepped into my board with the 6.1s agreed. They feel so good. People comparison the feeling old trucks gave.

These are respected opinions to me. The highest really. No one else I know is more legit a skate brain world wide.

I say YES! I feel like a kid when I'm going. Kinda like old Thunders.

They said Indy tho

[j....soy.....]

I just plain don’t skate boards that big but what makes the bigger ventures so good?  I’d guess deeper turning? 

[rikki]

Been absolutely loving the DLX True Fit 8.25 x 31.5 x 13.88 with my 5.6 V-Lights recently. Haven't felt this agile on a board in a while. Even had a blast on transition the other day.

I just need a short enough tail when my wheelbase is short -- if the tail is much over 6.5, my pop seems to go haywire.

[Banned from the room]

I just plain don’t skate boards that big but what makes the bigger ventures so good?  I’d guess deeper turning?

Definitely a factor. I'm putting the new awesome purps in my 5.8s rn.

I'll have a better idea after that.

I gotta make the 6.1 the PT truck. It's funny to say but I just can't hang. My kickflips at regular cruiser speed hit primo 1/5 on the 6.1. On the 5.8 it's like 1/15. Could be the 9" bloard or the Radial full.

I'm doing a full mix up and cleaning of surfaces as I type.

But yeah
The turn is the ultimate boner factor of the 6.1.

Plus I been watching Brian O'Dwyer's Baker has a death wish over and over. I'm kinda done pretending to be Kader for a few weeks. Ive been finding myself rolling around whistling When the lights go down in the city everywhere I go.

6.1 in the spring. 5.8s rn. I'd do my 5.6s but I'm feeling Uber lazy post illness. Illnesses. This season has been brutal.here.

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I just plain don’t skate boards that big but what makes the bigger ventures so good?  I’d guess deeper turning?

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Definitely a factor. I'm putting the new awesome purps in my 5.8s rn.

Where? how?

[hiljentaa]

I left my board behind at the skatepark a couple weeks ago. Had my 5.2 V-Lights on it. Thought it was gone forever, but turns out local homie grabbed it and has been holding onto it for me.

It's just a skateboard, but those trucks are near and dear to my heart at this point. So thankful to him for grabbing my setup. He's a fellow Venture rider, so I am going to offer my 5.6 V-Hollows to him as a reward.

God bless skateboarders for giving a damn about each other.

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I left my board behind at the skatepark a couple weeks ago. Had my 5.2 V-Lights on it. Thought it was gone forever, but turns out local homie grabbed it and has been holding onto it for me.

It's just a skateboard, but those trucks are near and dear to my heart at this point. So thankful to him for grabbing my setup. He's a fellow Venture rider, so I am going to offer my 5.6 V-Hollows to him as a reward.

God bless skateboarders for giving a damn about each other.

what’s your fave deck with the 5.2 v-lights (i’m assuming hi’s)

[hiljentaa]

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I left my board behind at the skatepark a couple weeks ago. Had my 5.2 V-Lights on it. Thought it was gone forever, but turns out local homie grabbed it and has been holding onto it for me.

It's just a skateboard, but those trucks are near and dear to my heart at this point. So thankful to him for grabbing my setup. He's a fellow Venture rider, so I am going to offer my 5.6 V-Hollows to him as a reward.

God bless skateboarders for giving a damn about each other.

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what’s your fave deck with the 5.2 v-lights (i’m assuming hi’s)

8.125 PS Stix, no question.

(And, yessir 5.2 V-Light hi- too scared to try the 5.2 lo on forged baseplates lol)

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I left my board behind at the skatepark a couple weeks ago. Had my 5.2 V-Lights on it. Thought it was gone forever, but turns out local homie grabbed it and has been holding onto it for me.

It's just a skateboard, but those trucks are near and dear to my heart at this point. So thankful to him for grabbing my setup. He's a fellow Venture rider, so I am going to offer my 5.6 V-Hollows to him as a reward.

God bless skateboarders for giving a damn about each other.

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what’s your fave deck with the 5.2 v-lights (i’m assuming hi’s)

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8.125 PS Stix, no question.

(And, yessir 5.2 V-Light hi- too scared to try the 5.2 lo on forged baseplates lol)

thanks!

was just skating the 5.2 lo’s on an 8.125 PS (with 52 v1 x97s….)

i’ve skated Lo’s off and on for ever. Forged Lo’s are really hard to skate.
forged plate hi’s are great tho.

[hiljentaa]

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I left my board behind at the skatepark a couple weeks ago. Had my 5.2 V-Lights on it. Thought it was gone forever, but turns out local homie grabbed it and has been holding onto it for me.

It's just a skateboard, but those trucks are near and dear to my heart at this point. So thankful to him for grabbing my setup. He's a fellow Venture rider, so I am going to offer my 5.6 V-Hollows to him as a reward.

God bless skateboarders for giving a damn about each other.

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what’s your fave deck with the 5.2 v-lights (i’m assuming hi’s)

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8.125 PS Stix, no question.

(And, yessir 5.2 V-Light hi- too scared to try the 5.2 lo on forged baseplates lol)

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thanks!

was just skating the 5.2 lo’s on an 8.125 PS (with 52 v1 x97s….)

i’ve skated Lo’s off and on for ever. Forged Lo’s are really hard to skate.
forged plate hi’s are great tho.

Post yr shit mane!

Los are what I want to skate all the time, but even 52s are pushing it.

The forged hi's work really well for my supremely subpar skillset. Though they definitely do extend the wheelbase noticeably more than cast varieties.

I'm on a mission to settle into my favorite 8" truck this year between 5.2 hi V-Lights, Thunder 147 and 5.2 lo. God bless my mess.