new Vans models

[turdtastic]

mark wahlberg and the entire municipal design team punching the air for not bringing this out first for shecks. looks like something I would see lululemon employees wearing with a pair of leggings or tight joggers. they've really hit a wall creatively, and honestly I just want someone to put vans out of their misery at this point.
nothing about this shoe makes any sense whatsoever.
firstly, if lifestyle consumers are going to buy a pair of vans, they're either going for one of the retro vulc's, the MTE line, or the ultrarange EXO. if they're in the market for this kind of shoe, $130 is absurdly expensive. people wanting this exact type of modern trainer style shoe are going to likely buy a cheap pair of adidas, new balance, hoka, on, asics, or nike.
secondly, the target market of skaters for these shoes has no real reason to pick these up versus any other shoe on the market. On the wall, why would someone pick this shoe over a tech shoe like the WairMax (failure in it's own right), 1010, 808, Nyjah 2/3?How does this shoe do anything different versus prior vans models like the Kyle Walker, Rowan 2, Wayvee, Zahba low/high, and the OG AVE? Why doesn't AVE himself not even wear his own shoes?
the average consumer and the target audience are really not going to buy a $130 pair of vans skate shoes, and skaters are not going to adopt something purely on the principle that AVE is behind it. there is absolutely no reason for this to exist.

I only skate Vans, and chill in Vans as well for the last 20+ years (yes, a few exceptions in there).
I’ve bought one pair of Nike running shoes at this price point in the last few years and was not impressed.
If these feel good on my foot I’ll give them a chance as a chiller and consider skating them, bonus AVE might get $ from it.

[Xen]

Wait, so the knit is a launch/limited version? With a proper sueded version to drop after? Is it cheaper? Talk about confusion...

[turdtastic]

Wait, so the knit is a launch/limited version? With a proper sueded version to drop after? Is it cheaper? Talk about confusion...

Agreed, and def more interested in the non-knit version; buuuut, will still check out the knit joints as chillers.

[Chimppimpin]

Wait, so the knit is a launch/limited version? With a proper sueded version to drop after? Is it cheaper? Talk about confusion...

Is super confusing, but was from what I understand a very limited release. Most Vans stores didn’t even get them, wanted to just hold them but my vans store didn’t even get them. I believe the ones with a more solid collar are gonna be more widely available and like $10 cheaper.

[big_kev_215]

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Wait, so the knit is a launch/limited version? With a proper sueded version to drop after? Is it cheaper? Talk about confusion...

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Is super confusing, but was from what I understand a very limited release. Most Vans stores didn’t even get them, wanted to just hold them but my vans store didn’t even get them. I believe the ones with a more solid collar are gonna be more widely available and like $10 cheaper.

Seems like such a strange strategy because the form-fitting knit/sock collar seems to be one of the selling points for the tech of the shoe.

From the outside looking in, aside from the Tiago 1010, it feels like it’s been a rough recent few years for new pro model shoes having selling/staying power vs team models so I’d love to see this shoe succeed because it’s AVE (idk if this will be the shoe to do that though, we’ll see)

[Atiba Applebum]

The normal version has been shared several times

[texastoast]

regular ave2

[MusclesMarinara]

It’s really a bad look on Vans honestly. Like they’re pushing this tech knit version and then are gonna do a full 180 on customers and release a proper upper on the same sole. I mean it’s good for us knowing we can just wait it out but for the average person who sees this as some new thing only to have the carpet ripped out from under you with a proper actual shoe is just weird imo.

[sle_epy]

It’s really a bad look on Vans honestly. Like they’re pushing this tech knit version and then are gonna do a full 180 on customers and release a proper upper on the same sole. I mean it’s good for us knowing we can just wait it out but for the average person who sees this as some new thing only to have the carpet ripped out from under you with a proper actual shoe is just weird imo.

Vans is always making weird decisions but ppl keep giving them money so I guess it is what it is. I feel like the more expensive version is aiming at middle aged guys who have more money to spend and are very nostalgic.

I wonder if they will start giving actual pro models to younger skaters once they can't milk the nostalgia market as much because everyone just gets custom color ways these days. They won't have older pro model shoes to beat to death and charge too much for the next generation.

[oyolar]

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It’s really a bad look on Vans honestly. Like they’re pushing this tech knit version and then are gonna do a full 180 on customers and release a proper upper on the same sole. I mean it’s good for us knowing we can just wait it out but for the average person who sees this as some new thing only to have the carpet ripped out from under you with a proper actual shoe is just weird imo.

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Vans is always making weird decisions but ppl keep giving them money so I guess it is what it is. I feel like the more expensive version is aiming at middle aged guys who have more money to spend and are very nostalgic.

I wonder if they will start giving actual pro models to younger skaters once they can't milk the nostalgia market as much because everyone just gets custom color ways these days. They won't have older pro model shoes to beat to death and charge too much for the next generation.

What are they nostalgic for? Just AVE? The shoe itself isn't nostalgic at all. We also know Vans has been pretty open that their classic models, which you could argue are "nostalgic," aren't selling like they used to so I don't think they're milking that market.

I know it's just because we've seen the knit version so much, but I kinda like the knit version more than the normal version in the catalog right now...

[sle_epy]

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It’s really a bad look on Vans honestly. Like they’re pushing this tech knit version and then are gonna do a full 180 on customers and release a proper upper on the same sole. I mean it’s good for us knowing we can just wait it out but for the average person who sees this as some new thing only to have the carpet ripped out from under you with a proper actual shoe is just weird imo.

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Vans is always making weird decisions but ppl keep giving them money so I guess it is what it is. I feel like the more expensive version is aiming at middle aged guys who have more money to spend and are very nostalgic.

I wonder if they will start giving actual pro models to younger skaters once they can't milk the nostalgia market as much because everyone just gets custom color ways these days. They won't have older pro model shoes to beat to death and charge too much for the next generation.

[close]

What are they nostalgic for? Just AVE? The shoe itself isn't nostalgic at all. We also know Vans has been pretty open that their classic models, which you could argue are "nostalgic," aren't selling like they used to so I don't think they're milking that market.

I know it's just because we've seen the knit version so much, but I kinda like the knit version more than the normal version in the catalog right now...

Yea, for AVE.

[Xen]

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It’s really a bad look on Vans honestly. Like they’re pushing this tech knit version and then are gonna do a full 180 on customers and release a proper upper on the same sole. I mean it’s good for us knowing we can just wait it out but for the average person who sees this as some new thing only to have the carpet ripped out from under you with a proper actual shoe is just weird imo.

[close]

Vans is always making weird decisions but ppl keep giving them money so I guess it is what it is. I feel like the more expensive version is aiming at middle aged guys who have more money to spend and are very nostalgic.

I wonder if they will start giving actual pro models to younger skaters once they can't milk the nostalgia market as much because everyone just gets custom color ways these days. They won't have older pro model shoes to beat to death and charge too much for the next generation.

[close]

What are they nostalgic for? Just AVE? The shoe itself isn't nostalgic at all. We also know Vans has been pretty open that their classic models, which you could argue are "nostalgic," aren't selling like they used to so I don't think they're milking that market.

I know it's just because we've seen the knit version so much, but I kinda like the knit version more than the normal version in the catalog right now...

[close]

Yea, for AVE.

Not even sure why you'd give him a shoe these days? Sure, old SOTY, still rips, part (but not the face of) FA, footage? Smells like a contract wrap up to me.

Pushing the knit is super bizzare when you are going to phase it out; also, last shoe that used the ultimate waffle? The failure that was the Berle?

[Chimppimpin]

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Wait, so the knit is a launch/limited version? With a proper sueded version to drop after? Is it cheaper? Talk about confusion...

[close]

Is super confusing, but was from what I understand a very limited release. Most Vans stores didn’t even get them, wanted to just hold them but my vans store didn’t even get them. I believe the ones with a more solid collar are gonna be more widely available and like $10 cheaper.

[close]

Seems like such a strange strategy because the form-fitting knit/sock collar seems to be one of the selling points for the tech of the shoe.

From the outside looking in, aside from the Tiago 1010, it feels like it’s been a rough recent few years for new pro model shoes having selling/staying power vs team models so I’d love to see this shoe succeed because it’s AVE (idk if this will be the shoe to do that though, we’ll see)

If there’s a shoe possible of succeeding it’s the rowan 2

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It’s really a bad look on Vans honestly. Like they’re pushing this tech knit version and then are gonna do a full 180 on customers and release a proper upper on the same sole. I mean it’s good for us knowing we can just wait it out but for the average person who sees this as some new thing only to have the carpet ripped out from under you with a proper actual shoe is just weird imo.

[close]

Vans is always making weird decisions but ppl keep giving them money so I guess it is what it is. I feel like the more expensive version is aiming at middle aged guys who have more money to spend and are very nostalgic.

I wonder if they will start giving actual pro models to younger skaters once they can't milk the nostalgia market as much because everyone just gets custom color ways these days. They won't have older pro model shoes to beat to death and charge too much for the next generation.

[close]

What are they nostalgic for? Just AVE? The shoe itself isn't nostalgic at all. We also know Vans has been pretty open that their classic models, which you could argue are "nostalgic," aren't selling like they used to so I don't think they're milking that market.

I know it's just because we've seen the knit version so much, but I kinda like the knit version more than the normal version in the catalog right now...

[close]

Yea, for AVE.

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Not even sure why you'd give him a shoe these days? Sure, old SOTY, still rips, part (but not the face of) FA, footage? Smells like a contract wrap up to me.

Pushing the knit is super bizzare when you are going to phase it out; also, last shoe that used the ultimate waffle? The failure that was the Berle?

No, Ultimate Waffle was designed for the AVE Pro 1 and then popped up on one of their very lifestyle-focused shoes that was technically skateable but not really pushed for skating. I just googled it and it’s called EVDNT. Berle’s was the Wafflecontrol. I never skated the Berle but based on reviews (and looking at them), they sound like they skate completely different.

I think the Ultimate Waffle has to be transparent because of the compounds used to make it.

[Idk]

Pretty sure the Rowan 2 has UltimateWaffle sole.

[radcunt]

I missed the OG Aves for $30 AUD on sale from the vans site and now they’re fuckin $500 on flipper sites. lol.


Will wait till no one buys these and get em for $150. I like the look for a jock shoe, and their best chance is the hypebeast losers getting into them. Need to get a rapper wearing them.

[Xen]

Pretty sure the Rowan 2 has UltimateWaffle sole.

Just to keep us ALL fucking confused, the Rowan are apparently equipped with the IMPACT Waffle...the Berele? WAFFLE CONTROL...AVE2.0 UltimateWaffle (it wasn't the berle it was the https://www.vans.eu/EVDNTultimatewaffle.html after the AVE, buuuut it's still kinda the AVE cuz it's more like the AVE Pro knit, not to be confused with the 2.0 knit...)

I've skated the AVE Pro/AVE Rapid Weld (very different than the pro), Berle (trash) and Rowan2 (excellent). The Berle had a very DEEP feeling fit, you were really close to the ground/really at the bottom of the sole as it was a thin midsole; the Rowan not so much, it feels more like the AVE Pro/Rapid weld did sole-wise.

Same tech but I'd guess just different levels of thickness depending on the shoe?

https://www.vans.com/en-us/berle
https://www.weartested.com/vans-berle-pro/

[oyolar]

What about the Rapidweld felt so different?

[Xen]

What about the Rapidweld felt so different?

https://www.vans.com/en-us/article-detail/av-rapidweld-pro-lite



More of a classic silhouette compared to the AVE pro (then they made the lite version which was thinner/lighter); and no mesh I believe?

[oyolar]

Oh right the Rapidweld was super different. I was thinking of that slightly tweaked version of the AVE Pro the did after it had been out a few years.

[burner]

Wait, so the knit is a launch/limited version? With a proper sueded version to drop after? Is it cheaper? Talk about confusion...

Yeah, idk - looking at the Thrasher article there seems to be heaps of colorways coming out, and zero mention of this knit AVE being a limited edition. I reckon this is it, but I guess we’ll see. Either way, I’m hoping for a big price drop.

https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/burnout/ave-too/

[Deadringer]

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Wait, so the knit is a launch/limited version? With a proper sueded version to drop after? Is it cheaper? Talk about confusion...

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Yeah, idk - looking at the Thrasher article there seems to be heaps of colorways coming out, and zero mention of this knit AVE being a limited edition. I reckon this is it, but I guess we’ll see. Either way, I’m hoping for a big price drop.

https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/burnout/ave-too/

It isn’t it, there’s non knit on the way. 110%

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Wait, so the knit is a launch/limited version? With a proper sueded version to drop after? Is it cheaper? Talk about confusion...

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Yeah, idk - looking at the Thrasher article there seems to be heaps of colorways coming out, and zero mention of this knit AVE being a limited edition. I reckon this is it, but I guess we’ll see. Either way, I’m hoping for a big price drop.

https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/burnout/ave-too/

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It isn’t it, there’s non knit on the way. 110%

Yeah, you’re probably right. I’m just saying that this Knit Ave doesn’t look like a one off limited drop to immediately be replaced by the non knit. But I guess that’ll depend on how it sells.

[oyolar]

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Wait, so the knit is a launch/limited version? With a proper sueded version to drop after? Is it cheaper? Talk about confusion...

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Yeah, idk - looking at the Thrasher article there seems to be heaps of colorways coming out, and zero mention of this knit AVE being a limited edition. I reckon this is it, but I guess we’ll see. Either way, I’m hoping for a big price drop.

https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/burnout/ave-too/

Some of those coloways aren't knitted though. Like the pink ones next to Diego are the normal ones.

[DCLOVE]

Looks like there’s at least 4-5 knit colorways in that display and we’ve seen 3-4 non knit between the article and the catalog photos.

What shoe is martino skating in that article?

[Chimppimpin]

Looks like there’s at least 4-5 knit colorways in that display and we’ve seen 3-4 non knit between the article and the catalog photos.

What shoe is martino skating in that article?

lizzie low

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Looks like there’s at least 4-5 knit colorways in that display and we’ve seen 3-4 non knit between the article and the catalog photos.

What shoe is martino skating in that article?

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lizzie low

And Glick wearing an unfamiliar high top cupsole

[thehogsniper]

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Looks like there’s at least 4-5 knit colorways in that display and we’ve seen 3-4 non knit between the article and the catalog photos.

What shoe is martino skating in that article?

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lizzie low

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And Glick wearing an unfamiliar high top cupsole

Pretty sure that's just a Zahba Mid

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Looks like there’s at least 4-5 knit colorways in that display and we’ve seen 3-4 non knit between the article and the catalog photos.

What shoe is martino skating in that article?

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lizzie low

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And Glick wearing an unfamiliar high top cupsole

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Pretty sure that's just a Zahba Mid

Ah, that makes sense, just a new colorway I guess…

[Tonyhawk-prostate]

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Wait, so the knit is a launch/limited version? With a proper sueded version to drop after? Is it cheaper? Talk about confusion...

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Yeah, idk - looking at the Thrasher article there seems to be heaps of colorways coming out, and zero mention of this knit AVE being a limited edition. I reckon this is it, but I guess we’ll see. Either way, I’m hoping for a big price drop.

https://www.thrashermagazine.com/articles/burnout/ave-too/

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It isn’t it, there’s non knit on the way. 110%

Thank goodness