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First I want to state I am not blaming the victim and Johan is totally at fault here.
*My Dad gave me the sex talk when he was really drunk, he said: “always wear a jimmy.” And somehow that has stuck with me.
But he said this not due to STD’s but because you can easily knock someone up if you don’t use a condom. Even if the woman in question is on some form of birth control...accidents happen you can still get pregnant.
I think the thing that I find most strange, besides Johan’s excessive lying. Is that two mature strangers are still willing to have sex without a condom this day in age. I mean yea... sex is awesome and all. But sometimes if I run out of condoms or something I’ll just say okay let’s try this tomorrow.
Being drunk is no excuse. I’ve been turned down numerous times when I’ve been drunk and didn’t have a condom. Just go jerk off in the bathroom or something
All this. Also, let’s just suppose it is possible for a woman to be “on birth control” but not be as steadfast in her resolve to take the pill everyday. Maybe she even thought she did, but got the days mixed up and had been taking the placebos instead of the pill. So she wasn’t even lying but what she said was not true.
Fact is if you know enough to ask someone if they are clean then you know enough to use protection. Every time. Even drunk. Even in a hotel. Even in a car. Or a bar. Whether near or far.
I’ve never been told I couldn’t have sex with a woman because neither of us had condoms because I already know without a condom it ain’t happening. I’ve had several women act indignant that I didn’t want to fuck them without a condom and all I could think was “why do you want to fuck me without one.” I don’t think you’re dirty but I know I’m clean, and I want to stay that way.
Perhaps that is the actual line here: are condoms meant to protect yourself or others? I think they are to protect me. I keep testing negative and that is the plan.
Wow, thank you
Can I share this?
She's guilty of poor judgment.
Exactly my point. It is unfortunate that her sentence is a lifetime of potential outbreaks and an increased risk of cancer, but she knew the risks.
My body, my choice works both ways. Of course that only applies to consensual sex, but by her own admission she consented to unprotected sex. Well, buy the ticket, take the ride.
Is it that lying about an STI is okay because your sexual partner should fully consider the risk that you're lying about it and if she miscalculates it's her fault for not having been able to hone in on your deception?
Yes, you should fully consider the fact that your sexual partner may be less than truthful.
It’s your health, who’s hands do you want it to be in?
I’ll put mine in my own, you can leave it in the always caring about you hands of others.
Why is there so much emphasis on what the girl did “wrong” here in all your responses? Why is that even a discussion point at all in this? Let’s just change the scenario for a second and pretend that she actually said no to sleeping with him and did not catch herpes; does that change the fact that he tried to lie about having herpes to sleep with her knowing that there was a good chance that he would spread it to her but he went along and tried anyways? Would that negate him of any wrong doings in having the intent to do that in the first place even if she wouldve said no?
If a man tried to lure a little boy into his van to torture and kill him, but the boy said no, does that make the man any less bad for having had the intent to harm the boy to begin with even though the boy said no and it actually didn’t happen? No? The man is still a bad person regardless right? Then why is what the girl did wrong here even being brought up at all? If in that hypothetical situation the boy actually did get captured and killed by that man, who are you going to focus more attention on? The man for doing something horrible, or the boy for making a dumb choice by even entering the van? Would “yeah that man is horrible for what he did wrong, but that boy..... lemme tell ya, he shouldn’t have let himself get lured into the van, you make a dumb choice, ya pay the price” have been your response?
Back to Johan and the girl. In an alternate universe if she would’ve said no, but word got out that he tried to spread his herpes to her anyways, what would your response have been then? Probably something along the lines of “johan is a shitty person for doing this”, correct? The girl would’ve said no, so you would have nothing to criticize her on in that scenario, you’d only be focusing on the important point here which is Johan is scum for even trying to spread it to her to begin with; regardless on if she said yes or no in both scenarios Johan still comes out a creep.... So why then is the fact that she actually said yes to sleeping with him in real life and did end up catching herpes from him in real life and whether or not she should have slept with him or not even a talking point here? it doesn’t change the fact that Johan was in the wrong; you’re just putting a girl down for no reason at this point. The rights or wrongs of her choice she made that night are not important, because regardless of the choice she made it still doesn’t change the fact that Johan was in the wrong.