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360 Flips
« on: October 23, 2020, 09:11:02 AM »
This trick definitely deserves it's on thread, I'll start it off by inserting the tips which silhouette shared in "Basic Ass Tricks Which Piss You Off" which addresses the most common issues (jumping way ahead of the board, catching on the nose):

Also for those struggling with 360 flips, yesterday at the park I taught two kids how to land their first ones, they had that typical problem of being hunched over the nose so the board would stay behind them. By breaking down the correct posture and alignment for them I realized a good indicator that I've always subconsciously used but never really defined that helped them get their landings instantly, basically before you pop you need to be sitting just as far back (and with a straight back) as so that the knee on your front leg is past your face. Looking straight down your face and vision should be focused on your thigh and nothing past your knee. If you're seeing anything past your knee then the board probably won't go in front of you because you're too hunched over. That fixes your position in a way so that your center of gravity is properly adjusted to the motions of the trick and you can basically just sit through the execution as the board stays under you while flipping (as long as you don't do anything funny with your shoulders and keep them square). I guess the same stands for impossibles as well although I've always just done the latter without overthinking its execution nearly as much.

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Doing them recently I realized I was doing them in three mental steps, first mental step is to make sure my front foot is properly nested flat inside the concave at the right angle with the right spot over the center of the board (finding that sweet spot ensures that you won't miss the flick), second step is to make sure the big toe on my back foot comes hugging the tail the right way, third step is locking the shoulders and hips in position to make sure I won't try and body varial away from the trick and the board will stay under me, and if the feeling is right throughout those three steps then I commit for certain because then I know I'm in control of what's going to happen and thus nothing can really go wrong.

IG clip of Ben Degros showing the old school (tougher, more forceful) and new school (easier, more graceful) foot positioning
https://www.instagram.com/p/CAal3TElcvZ/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Did any of you guys ever notice that if you took off the end "er" from his name, moved the "b" to after the "i" and then added an "l" to the "b" that you just moved, you'd spell "Bible"?

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2020, 04:36:56 PM »
Luckily this is my most faithful flatground trick so I don't know about specific issues peoples have, but two things I tell people that generally seem to help are:

1) make sure your trucks are flat, or ever so slightly leaning towards the heel side before you do the trick. If its leaning towards the toe side then it won't work.

2) Scoop in the direction you're rolling, not back. Kinda hard to explain, but if you're regular, instead of trying to scoop 'south' with your back leg, but rather scoop 'west'. If you're goofy, instead of trying to scoop 'south', scoop 'east' as thats the direction you're rolling. Make sure the tail hits the ground and gets a pop too.

I think the latter point helps with the landing on the nose or too far ahead issue. I also have barely any front foot hanging on, dunno how some people do tres with their front foot in almost an ollie position lol.

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2020, 06:55:30 PM »
Watch Chico not Ben.

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2020, 07:45:39 PM »
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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2020, 11:14:16 AM »
The front foot should be completely flat, When I was learning them I would be sort of standing on my toes on my front foot and I never had enough friction to guide the board with my front foot. If you keep the front foot flat on the board you have way more control over the trick and they are way easier to catch.

I honestly might be the only one who’s had this problem but I think it’s an underrated aspect of the trick.

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2020, 12:50:22 PM »
The front foot should be completely flat, When I was learning them I would be sort of standing on my toes on my front foot and I never had enough friction to guide the board with my front foot. If you keep the front foot flat on the board you have way more control over the trick and they are way easier to catch.

I honestly might be the only one who’s had this problem but I think it’s an underrated aspect of the trick.

Im still really bad at them and can really only get them somewhat reliably on hips, but the flat front foot helps a lot. Board felt way more controlled and if I actually believed in myself I would have been sticking them 4/5 tries in yesterdays session. Was always on my toes before and I think it tenses the body up, keeping the feet flat felt way more relaxed.

As a joke with my buddy I pretended to be wade D and did the pants adjustment before one and for some reason that helped me keep my shoulders square. I guess pretending to be a good skater helps you become better idk

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2020, 08:58:07 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0owlAPHpeYo&ab_channel=JustKeepSkating

I like most things Ben Degros but this 360 flip tutorial was lackluster, the guys on here had way better insight.
Did any of you guys ever notice that if you took off the end "er" from his name, moved the "b" to after the "i" and then added an "l" to the "b" that you just moved, you'd spell "Bible"?

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2020, 10:41:51 PM »
People have to describe 'the scoop' better....there's no way that : imposs, bigspin, back 3, and 3 flip all use the same scoop.....so stop saying it....


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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2020, 11:01:22 PM »
Even when I could do them pretty consistently, I would have to use a lot of muscle to get enough "scoop"
I don't get how people could do them with such little effort

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2020, 05:47:27 PM »
Even when I could do them pretty consistently, I would have to use a lot of muscle to get enough "scoop"
I don't get how people could do them with such little effort

I still can’t wrap my head around the one Stevie does in his opening line.  It looks like he barely taps it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVAAWsTeR1s&feature=share

This is one of those tricks that I somewhat had a long time ago, but one day they just disappeared and never came back.  It kinda bums me out a little whenever I think about it, haha. 

Anyways, thanks to everyone that posted tips.  Lots of good, unique suggestions, all of which I’m going to try.  Much more helpful than the standard, glib “scoop really hard” advice.


 

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2020, 05:56:19 PM »
listen to cosmic psychos

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2020, 06:03:15 PM »
360 flips frustrate me so much because I've always been able to do them, but they're never really a "regular" trick that I have. Some times I'll randomly do one first or second try, then the next day it'll look like I've never done one in my life.

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2020, 06:16:17 PM »
When you have the right weight and pressure distribution and know how to pop/scoop, it starts to feel really light after some practice (in the sense that you don't have to scoop all that hard). Often it feels like about as much work as a pop shuv tbh. Make sure your tail hits the ground, and experiment with how you lean your trucks as well as your body weight distribution and how it affects the motion.

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2020, 07:34:14 PM »
When you have the right weight and pressure distribution and know how to pop/scoop, it starts to feel really light after some practice (in the sense that you don't have to scoop all that hard). Often it feels like about as much work as a pop shuv tbh. Make sure your tail hits the ground, and experiment with how you lean your trucks as well as your body weight distribution and how it affects the motion.

This right here. On my best days (a few weeks back) i didn't even think about scooping and could focus on my front foot staying out the the way and catching the board.

My friend describes the scoop as a "J" motion, in that your back foot pushes back and then forward (direction you are rolling in), but that's more the older, forceful 360 flip. But if you put too much focus on getting a hard scoop, you end up leaning your head and upper body too far over your board and you'll end up way in front of your board.
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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2020, 11:36:06 PM »
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When you have the right weight and pressure distribution and know how to pop/scoop, it starts to feel really light after some practice (in the sense that you don't have to scoop all that hard). Often it feels like about as much work as a pop shuv tbh. Make sure your tail hits the ground, and experiment with how you lean your trucks as well as your body weight distribution and how it affects the motion.
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This right here. On my best days (a few weeks back) i didn't even think about scooping and could focus on my front foot staying out the the way and catching the board.

My friend describes the scoop as a "J" motion, in that your back foot pushes back and then forward (direction you are rolling in), but that's more the older, forceful 360 flip. But if you put too much focus on getting a hard scoop, you end up leaning your head and upper body too far over your board and you'll end up way in front of your board.

It varies, but for me, I just think about scooping it in the direction I'm rolling, no J motion, just straight in the direction I'm rolling while making sure the tail hits the ground.