Covid vaccine

[backinaction]

Today is two weeks after my 2nd dose.  It's a good day.

I had the Pfizer and the day after dose two I was slightly winded at the skatepark, but other than that there were no problems.

By studying real-world data the vaccines provide more than a 90% protection against getting the disease - not just "not having symptoms".  They offer real protection from getting Covid.  And if you don't get it, you can't spread it.

Israel has 59% of their population vaccinated and they had 110 cases yesterday - down 99% from their peak day.  99%.

If the US was down 99% from our peak we would be looking at 3,400 cases in a day.   Our lowest case count in the last year was around 19.5k. 

We need to get people vaccinated and this can be behind us.  That means getting people under 30 vaccinated. You want the economy back to normal?  You want to be able to go out without a mask? You want to be over this bullshit?  Get a vaccine.  Get everyone you know to get a vaccine. 

[TheLurper]

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Yeah I’m definitely happy to be in Canada throughout all this, but getting stimulus checks and timely vaccines would’ve been nice too.  My partner works with the elderly and I work in hospitals and other high traffic areas, but because we’re under 55 we have to wait at least another month or two for our first dose.

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That’s it, I’m rigging up a bio-reactor in the garage. BRB.

Man, we got fucked and I've certainly started to realize some of the drawbacks associated with being a middle-power. America wouldn't export its vaccines to us and Europe was struggling and wasn't exporting their shit either.

Canadian society held together way better than American society, but the reality of being a middle-power and living next to belligerent super power came to light. I vote we break off from N. America and float on over to Europe.

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my friend is the medical director of our state health departments board of epidemiology .. he’s much smarter than i am and has spent his adult life learning about viruses and is so good at what he does that the state hired him as their leader in this field .. because of this, his knowledge about vaccines and viruses gave him the confidence to sign up as a trial volunteer before the vaccines were given general population approval .. he knows how vaccines are made, what’s in them and what the potential short term and long term effects will be .. he’s much smarter than i am and i will use him as my role model in this scenario

i like coneklr and think it’s ok to disagree on something like this .. i understand why people choose naturalistic medicine but think it’s unfair that the only reason those people are able to live safely is because the general public that chooses modern science protects them while at the same time they put us at risk

im currently in the situation where im living as a parent with protection while my kids are still at risk ..  feel like we’re so close yet so far . and a trigger for me is when people say kids will be just fine

also, the same argument can be made about short term and long term effects if you get covid-19 .. it’s a novel virus that we won’t be sure what happens until time reveals itself .. ugh it’s exhausting but again i respect most views and you can only do what’s best for yourself and those in your circle - just wish it was not politicized but it is what it is

[pica]

This thread is crazy man.  Either you guys are way more brave than I am or you just question shit way less ...  as of right now, you are all still in the clinical trial phase of a new technology (that has never in the past received approval for human use), long term effects are still unknown and you can still potentially get and spread even after getting vaccinated.  They're still even recommending all of the same precautions as if you didn't have it for the most part.  So lessening symptoms in your own body (maybe although some people get worse symptoms when they come across it in the wild) and virtue signaling are the only things you have to show for getting it?  I respect everyone's right to choose what's right for them, but I'll be waiting until studies conclude before I do anything and I can't see how anyone can shit on someone for not getting it yet.  Sorry if my critical thinking and being cautious of experimental drugs knocks me down a peg on here pals.  Open to any constructive criticism with valid proof to back up anything I may have wrong here as I'm always open to learning.

"On December 11, 2020, the FDA issued an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) for the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. On December 18, 2020, the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine. And on February 27, 2021 the FDA issued an EUA for the use of the Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. The issuance of an EUA is different than an FDA approval (licensure) of a vaccine." (i.e. it has not been approved)
Source: https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/covid-19-frequently-asked-questions#general

The earliest completion of phase 3 trials I can find is the end of 2021 with some going into 2022/23
Source: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19&intr=vaccine&intr=vaccine&term=AREA%5BInterventionType%5D+%28Drug+OR+Biological%29&fund=0&fund=1


You may still get and spread the virus.  You may need boosters in the future.  You still won't be going back to normal as the following on the cdc website points out.

"Although COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting sick, scientists are still learning how well vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to others, even if you do not have symptoms. Early data show the vaccines do help keep people with no symptoms from spreading COVID-19, but we are learning more as more people get vaccinated.

We’re also still learning how long COVID-19 vaccines protect people.

For these reasons, people who have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 should keep taking precautions in public places, until we know more, like wearing a mask, staying 6 feet apart from others, avoiding crowds and poorly ventilated spaces, and washing your hands often."

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fvaccines%2F8-things.html

Hopefully I'm just way too cautious and you all will be healthy and happy and have no side effects!

You got the definition of long term effects wrong. (As many do)

Long term effects don‘t occure after 20 years. They occure right after vaccination and persist for a long time.

So far no long term effects.

[Alan]

You got the definition of long term effects wrong. (As many do)

Long term effects don‘t occure after 20 years. They occure right after vaccination and persist for a long time.

So far no long term effects.

Interesting. I did not know this!

[coneklr]

i like coneklr and think it’s ok to disagree on something like this .. i understand why people choose naturalistic medicine but think it’s unfair that the only reason those people are able to live safely is because the general public that chooses modern science protects them while at the same time they put us at risk

I like you as well my friend and I really like that you are able to actually have a convo on this as most people are not.  If you have someone with a compromised immune system I definitely understand your sentiment.  Fwiw, my wife has a compromised immune system, but she is also of the mind to wait, especially in light of all of the strange things recently with women having issues with uterine bleeding.  For those that don't though, if you trust the vaccine currently, why would you be concerned with those that don't as they pose no threat to you. 

You got the definition of long term effects wrong. (As many do)

Long term effects don‘t occure after 20 years. They occure right after vaccination and persist for a long time.

So far no long term effects.

What about the blood clotting and the newish women's issues that are coming to light?  I haven't researched in depth yet, but they seem to definitely be something to be concerned with, especially women who still want children.


And again, I respect everyones choices and decisions and truly appreciate the honest conversation.  I have tried to keep my personal thoughts and feelings out of this and stick to facts from what are supposed to be the sites everyone holds as truth.

[mushroom slice]

Do you guys think weed would help with side effects from the 2nd shot? Or would it bring on some paranoid state where you think the vaccine is killing your body?

Maybe I'll just stick to chicken soup or pho...

I asked the nurse that gave me my 1st Pfizer shot if it was ok to smoke weed after. She said “ yes” so
I smoked. Had zero side effects.

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if you trust the vaccine currently, why would you be concerned with those that don't as they pose no threat to you. 

my and all children are at risk currently .. but i was referring to past and current vaccinations and anti vaxers . they’re able to live that lifestyle only because their living in a protected / vaccinated society .. it’s selfish - and same goes for covid vaccine in that unvaccinated people are being protected by those that choose to be vaccinated

are your kids vaccinated? if so, did you have the same questions and reservations when you got them inoculated (i did not but my wife did her research and had reservations but we did ultimately vaccinate) .. it’s funny to me that the same people that are saying they don’t trust this vaccine did absolutely no research whatsoever when they got their own children vaccinated .. yes it’s different because it’s new, but vaccines aren’t a new science

i want to take this moment to tell you i am not smart and have no idea what im talking about .. it’s just my feelings

[coneklr]

These vaccines are a new science and due to the same reasons my wife and I have not received it yet, we have not given the children it either.  We will wait until the trials are officially done and see where that leaves us.  So it's not that we are being selfish, it's that we like our odds more with getting sick than the unknown of something in its trial phase at the moment.

We also do follow protocol where required.  We aren't going around having crazy parties and shit haha.  Don't want it to come off that way.

I also think it sounds like you did the best you could decision wise with the information we have to work with.  I think that is all anyone can do right now.

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this is why people can’t have conversations because we are hard headed on our own side ..

i like my odds better with a vaccine side effect than a novel virus long haul effect (being sick with COVID-19 is in its trial phase)

and i was taking about all other vaccines in regards to children (measles mumps rubella) .. i know people that did not think twice and did no research to vaccinate their children with that but are anti covid vaxers now

[fredgallSOTY]

got my first dose of pfizer feelin cool

[TastyBurrito]

It blows my fucking mind that the US is approaching 600k cocid deaths, and that is most likely under counted, and India's official number is still 1/3 that. What the fuck. 45th administration needs to be liable. Fucking hell

You can't believe how many of my MAGA family members are like, "Trump didn't have 400k deaths when he started his Presidency."

My response to them most likely resulted in my no-invite for Thanksgiving — thankfully.

[layzieyez]

I lucked out in ending up with some friends who are much more well versed in medicine and virology than I will ever be. One specifically is a professor at the medical school at the university in my city and I trust her and her fellow researchers.

Since the outset, they've been a fountain of knowledge sharing insight with their own findings. Anything useful they've shared through private messaging, I have tried to disseminate here.

Therefore, if she said the vaccine was unsafe and gave evidence for her opinion that wasn't speculation, I would be quick to sound the alarm.

It's okay to have misgivings about vaccinations, but honestly, I'm more afraid of the virus and potential long term effects of contracting it even if you are 100% asymptomatic.

[bigdave]

I've been fully vax'd for....five or six weeks now. My wife just got her second shot of Moderna yesterday and holy shit. She was up super sick all night. Migraine, just awful condition. Little better today. Took about 10 hours for it to fully start destroying her.

[Silky Johnson]

I got the single dose J&j like a week before the handful of clotting cases started Kinda tripped about it initially, but I'll take the miniscule odds of a potential clot over all the hell the virus can cause

[TheBoognish]

Starting May 10th in Quebec, my age group (30-34) will be eligible to get vax’d.

I have the choice of Pfizer or Moderna, any reason I should go for one more than the other ?


Looks like I might be able to do some BJJ this summer after all.

[Yu Dum]

Got my second round of the Pfizer vax around 9:30 this morning. So far, so good. Only complaint is my arm being way more sore this time around. We'll see how I feel tomorrow.

[childhood]

After having no reaction to my first shot, the second Moderna dose I got yesterday has been kicking my ass today.

Super sore and fatigued, very uncomfortable in a way I can't even really verbalize. Kinda like a bad hangover, kratom has been pretty helpful though.

Couple weeks old now, but this is definitely worth listening to:
https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/news-brief-big-pharma-bill-gates-spin-against-generic-vaccines-for-global-south-as-biden-a-no-show

[DaleSr]

I got both shots of Pfizer. Didn't feel any side effects for either. Excited for my incoming immunity

[in love w/ fs shuvs]

I got Pfizer and that shit fucked me up for like 1.5 days afterwards for both doses, respectively. My muscles felt tired/inflamed the day afterwards. The second one gave me a fever of like 99.4 F. Shit sucked but I'm feeling better now. At least now I know my immune system is weak af, prefer these side effects over corona forsure.

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I got Pfizer and that shit fucked me up for like 1.5 days afterwards for both doses, respectively. My muscles felt tired/inflamed the day afterwards. The second one gave me a fever of like 99.4 F. Shit sucked but I'm feeling better now. At least now I know my immune system is weak af, prefer these side effects over corona forsure.

actually, counterintuitively, that’s a sign of a good immune response

[in love w/ fs shuvs]

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I got Pfizer and that shit fucked me up for like 1.5 days afterwards for both doses, respectively. My muscles felt tired/inflamed the day afterwards. The second one gave me a fever of like 99.4 F. Shit sucked but I'm feeling better now. At least now I know my immune system is weak af, prefer these side effects over corona forsure.

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actually, counterintuitively, that’s a sign of a good immune response

wait, holy shit.

[Acky Jacky]

I received my second dose of Pfizer Saturday morning. Got drunk with my girlfriend later, and I don’t drink too much these days so I was gonna feel terrible the next day regardless. I did, I spend most of the day falling asleep on the couch with a headache hating myself. Finally went to the skate park for a bit later that day and was able to skate okay. No terrible side affects.

Today is Wednesday and I feel a general sense of fatigue. It could be 1000 different things, but has anyone else felt a shift in their energy levels for a prolonged period of time after either shot?

I don’t know what the root cause of this feeling is for me, could be stress, not stretching enough, eating wrong. I work a physically demanding job and Ive been okay, but i do randomly feel like napping all the time. Maybe I’m depressed. discuss...

[Miller92]

getting my second dose of Moderna tomorrow. fucking praying for no side effects....

heard pedialyte/electrolytes before and after can really really help stave off heavy side effects.

excited to be done with this shit

[S.]

I got my first shot of pfizer today. I felt a bit tiered in the afternoon and I had a bit of a headache in the evening. It wasn't too bad. I had the afternoon free from work. I hope I will be back to 100 percent tomorrow.

[S.]

I received my second dose of Pfizer Saturday morning. Got drunk with my girlfriend later, and I don’t drink too much these days so I was gonna feel terrible the next day regardless. I did, I spend most of the day falling asleep on the couch with a headache hating myself. Finally went to the skate park for a bit later that day and was able to skate okay. No terrible side affects.

Today is Wednesday and I feel a general sense of fatigue. It could be 1000 different things, but has anyone else felt a shift in their energy levels for a prolonged period of time after either shot?

I don’t know what the root cause of this feeling is for me, could be stress, not stretching enough, eating wrong. I work a physically demanding job and Ive been okay, but i do randomly feel like napping all the time. Maybe I’m depressed. discuss...

My doctor told me to not drink and exercise for three days after the shot. It seems you did both. Maybe just chill for a few extra days and take care of yourself i.e. actually take a few of those naps you seem to crave, eat and drink well and get some rest.

Maybe also get some advice from a medical professional?

[Acky Jacky]

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I received my second dose of Pfizer Saturday morning. Got drunk with my girlfriend later, and I don’t drink too much these days so I was gonna feel terrible the next day regardless. I did, I spend most of the day falling asleep on the couch with a headache hating myself. Finally went to the skate park for a bit later that day and was able to skate okay. No terrible side affects.

Today is Wednesday and I feel a general sense of fatigue. It could be 1000 different things, but has anyone else felt a shift in their energy levels for a prolonged period of time after either shot?

I don’t know what the root cause of this feeling is for me, could be stress, not stretching enough, eating wrong. I work a physically demanding job and Ive been okay, but i do randomly feel like napping all the time. Maybe I’m depressed. discuss...

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My doctor told me to not drink and exercise for three days after the shot. It seems you did both. Maybe just chill for a few extra days and take care of yourself i.e. actually take a few of those naps you seem to crave, eat and drink well and get some rest.

Maybe also get some advice from a medical professional?

Oh yeah I knew I shouldn’t have drank, they told me the first time, and I didn’t. After the first shot I pretty much just spent the whole day at home and took it easy the next day as well, as a precaution. So maybe I really blew it this time haha.
I would take these naps if I were at home and wasn’t at work when I started to feel sleepy. But otherwise you’re on point.

I guess I haven’t really had a “day off” since the vaccine, besides the one where I was hungover. It may be just me, or it could be me combined with subtle effects from the vaccination. I’ll report back after another week.

[bigdave]

  For those that don't though, if you trust the vaccine currently, why would you be concerned with those that don't as they pose no threat to you. 

This is so irritating. Community health is sort of everyone's concern.

Right now declining vaccination rates are making it harder to account for and control variants. The concerns about India's emerging variants (because so few of their 1.3b people are actually vaccinated) is very fucking legitimate and very fucking serious. If you don't control what's currently going on quickly and a mutation occurs that usurps previous variants and vaccines are less effective, it's bad news.

The news that we arent going to reach herd immunity, mostly due to people like you, means we are going to be living with variants and a much slower re-emergence of "normal" than we would be if people got their shit together, stopped being ridiculous, and got their shots. I cannot fucking believe you invoked J&J's blood clotting. https://theconversation.com/what-are-the-blood-clots-associated-with-the-johnson-and-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-4-questions-answered-159523

Instead, you wont get what is by EVERY SINGLE LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC MEASURE a safe and effective vaccine, allowing variations to mutate, and eventually potentially kill people. All because people continue to perpetuate and hold completely unfounded beliefs about vaccine danger.

Real fucking cool society we got here.

[Fhk]

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  For those that don't though, if you trust the vaccine currently, why would you be concerned with those that don't as they pose no threat to you. 

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This is so irritating. Community health is sort of everyone's concern.

Right now declining vaccination rates are making it harder to account for and control variants. The concerns about India's emerging variants (because so few of their 1.3b people are actually vaccinated) is very fucking legitimate and very fucking serious. If you don't control what's currently going on quickly and a mutation occurs that usurps previous variants and vaccines are less effective, it's bad news.

The news that we arent going to reach herd immunity, mostly due to people like you, means we are going to be living with variants and a much slower re-emergence of "normal" than we would be if people got their shit together, stopped being ridiculous, and got their shots. I cannot fucking believe you invoked J&J's blood clotting. https://theconversation.com/what-are-the-blood-clots-associated-with-the-johnson-and-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-4-questions-answered-159523

Instead, you wont get what is by EVERY SINGLE LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC MEASURE a safe and effective vaccine, allowing variations to mutate, and eventually potentially kill people. All because people continue to perpetuate and hold completely unfounded beliefs about vaccine danger.

Real fucking cool society we got here.

There are also "LEGITIMATE SCIENTIFIC MEASURES" that call for fully vaccinated people to continue to wear a mask and maintain their social distancing.

[artskool]

For what it's worth, I had my 2nd Moderna shot the other day. Went skateboarding, and played soccer with my kid right after. Had a little headache, but I basically always do. I went to bed around 10 feeling kind of achy, slept fine. A little achy at the next day, but not so much I couldn't work as normal. Basically, anybody nervous keep in mind there's a pretty good chance it won't be a big deal. Almost disappointed, as I wanted an excuse to lie around in a hammock all day.