Covid vaccine

[Sativa Lung]

Hey guys I'm gonna check in here and remind everyone to not only get their boosters, but please make sure you're wearing an effective (ie medical) mask. I know my Natas devil worship mask looks sick as fuck but I also know that cloth masks like it are pretty useless at stopping droplets. I wear disposable medical masks every time I go out - they're way way better at keeping everyone safe.


I'm relatively anonymous on here (although a few of you know my real name and there's at least 3 of you that know my face) so if you want a no-bullshit answer about anything from a dude who packs his PAPR with his lunch and goes to work on the absolute front line of this thing feel free to ask. I'm not a medical professional - my professional expertise is in sanitation and infection control in a critical care setting - so I can't answer if someone's going to be OK. I'm the dude who goes in when shit (or blood, or in the case of covid often the fluid we've drained off their lungs) hits the fan and hoses everything down with chemicals and UV light and makes it safe for the next patient to come in. What I do is not complicated, but it's very high stakes and I try to leverage all the information and resources available to me to do it as effectively as possible. I live this shit. It's real. Take it seriously.

So let me give you my very early observations about what's going on right now. The good news is that it looks like omicron is not as dangerous in terms of causing severe infection. The really bad news is that its looking like it's far more transmissible than delta was. This shit spreads fast and easy. Even with a booster and masks you need to take all precautions - basically just stay the fuck away from people as much as you can. We have more employees out on isolation right now than at any other point in the pandemic, so we're finally going back to visitor restrictions and daily entrance screening. If you have elderly or immunocompromised family members please just stay away from them and tell them to keep their heads down as much as possible for the time being.

This has scared a lot of people into getting their shots but there's a lag time - both for the vaccine to reach full efficiency and for the impact to travel around the population - so this is most likely going to get worse before it gets better. A lot of people still traveled for the holidays and still aren't taking this seriously so I'm expecting to see some harrowing infection stats in the coming weeks.

Shits bad enough that even Trump is telling his cult to get shots (with predictably depressing and hilarious results) which should tell you something. Yeah it might be a PR move because of how much shit is coming out about the coup, or he may have finally seen how fucked we are if we don't seriously change what we're doing.

[Loki700]

Shits really popping off now. This summer, barely knew anyone who had had covid, now like half my friends got it. Was gonna get boosted couple days ago but there was literally half a mile line outside the vaccine place, so skipped. Now I got the virus, so I guess it works as a booster?

Nah, the natural immunity you get from contracting the virus is better for that specific mutation you caught but it doesn't last as long as the vaccine, and isn't as effective across other variations as the vaccine.

Basically, even if you have gotten the virus, it's still a really good idea to get the vaccine when you're able.

Whats the deal with natural immunity then if he got it twice? Or is this different variants at work

Per above, natural immunity is technically more effective than a vaccine, but only for the exact virus that you caught, and due to lacking the other components of the vaccine the immunity doesn't last as long.  Realistically if you were to spread Covid to me, the virus I have would be ever so slightly different than the virus you had.  That means your natural immunity is already less effective if we were to interact.  Have it spread to say 10 people and make its way back to you?  It could be different enough that your natural immunity is now less effective than the vaccine.

My understanding of this, and again, I'm not an expert so don't take it as gospel, is that vaccines, especially vaccines for quickly mutating viruses like Covid, are formulated with multiple antigens so that it basically casts a wider "net".  This basically means that it will protect you against multiple possible mutations, and is why the original vaccines are still fairly effective against Delta and Omicron.  The trade off for the wider net is that it's not quite as effective as the natural immunity would be against the specific mutation that you caught, but you have overall better protection.

Basically natural immunity is like your camera encountering a person with blonde hair breaking into your house, so it recognizes all people with straight blonde hair, where as a vaccine is like programming your camera to notice people with straight hair of any color.

(Lots of good stuff that I'm trimming for length but quoting to better delineate my post)

I will say if you wear a cloth mask with multiple layers and keep 6 feet between you and others, it's better than nothing.  Cloth masks will filter out the large droplets, which are the ones that can actually go and reach others within a few feet of you, but you're right, if you're able to wear a medical mask that seals fairly well that's definitely the better option.  The best option would be N95 or KN95 masks, but you do have to be careful about counterfeit masks that don't filter as effectively.  There's also the issue of possibly causing a shortage of N95 masks for people that really need them here, and KN95 masks for people who really need them overseas in Asia and other countries where KN95s are approved.

I have some KN95s that I was able to confirm are not counterfeit (Huheta is the brand) and I'll wear those when I know I'll likely be in close proximity to others and medical masks when I know I can easily keep my distance.

The main thing is, dispose of your masks at least daily/put your masks in the laundry at least daily.  I didn't follow this for way too long of a time, and could easily be how I had caught it at the beginning of the year since I would wash my mask weekly since I didn't wear it all day.



It's pretty clear that Biden won't force a shut down because it would be bad PR, and we really need it.  The people saying that we "might not be able to afford a shutdown" are stupid because other countries didn't have systems in place to survive a shutdown and they developed systems to make it work.  It's not that the US is unable, it's that we're unwilling.

[skateboardnorth]

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Shits really popping off now. This summer, barely knew anyone who had had covid, now like half my friends got it. Was gonna get boosted couple days ago but there was literally half a mile line outside the vaccine place, so skipped. Now I got the virus, so I guess it works as a booster?

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Nah, the natural immunity you get from contracting the virus is better for that specific mutation you caught but it doesn't last as long as the vaccine, and isn't as effective across other variations as the vaccine.

Basically, even if you have gotten the virus, it's still a really good idea to get the vaccine when you're able.

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Whats the deal with natural immunity then if he got it twice? Or is this different variants at work

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Per above, natural immunity is technically more effective than a vaccine, but only for the exact virus that you caught, and due to lacking the other components of the vaccine the immunity doesn't last as long.  Realistically if you were to spread Covid to me, the virus I have would be ever so slightly different than the virus you had.  That means your natural immunity is already less effective if we were to interact.  Have it spread to say 10 people and make its way back to you?  It could be different enough that your natural immunity is now less effective than the vaccine.

My understanding of this, and again, I'm not an expert so don't take it as gospel, is that vaccines, especially vaccines for quickly mutating viruses like Covid, are formulated with multiple antigens so that it basically casts a wider "net".  This basically means that it will protect you against multiple possible mutations, and is why the original vaccines are still fairly effective against Delta and Omicron.  The trade off for the wider net is that it's not quite as effective as the natural immunity would be against the specific mutation that you caught, but you have overall better protection.

Basically natural immunity is like your camera encountering a person with blonde hair breaking into your house, so it recognizes all people with straight blonde hair, where as a vaccine is like programming your camera to notice people with straight hair of any color.

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I will say if you wear a cloth mask with multiple layers and keep 6 feet between you and others, it's better than nothing.  Cloth masks will filter out the large droplets, which are the ones that can actually go and reach others within a few feet of you, but you're right, if you're able to wear a medical mask that seals fairly well that's definitely the better option.  The best option would be N95 or KN95 masks, but you do have to be careful about counterfeit masks that don't filter as effectively.  There's also the issue of possibly causing a shortage of N95 masks for people that really need them here, and KN95 masks for people who really need them overseas in Asia and other countries where KN95s are approved.

I have some KN95s that I was able to confirm are not counterfeit (Huheta is the brand) and I'll wear those when I know I'll likely be in close proximity to others and medical masks when I know I can easily keep my distance.

The main thing is, dispose of your masks at least daily/put your masks in the laundry at least daily.  I didn't follow this for way too long of a time, and could easily be how I had caught it at the beginning of the year since I would wash my mask weekly since I didn't wear it all day.



It's pretty clear that Biden won't force a shut down because it would be bad PR, and we really need it.  The people saying that we "might not be able to afford a shutdown" are stupid because other countries didn't have systems in place to survive a shutdown and they developed systems to make it work.  It's not that the US is unable, it's that we're unwilling.

As someone that work in an extremely dusty environment, I can tell you that there is a lot more to masks than the "n95 rating".  Most importantly is a proper fit.  We struggled to find good masks for work because they all went to healthcare workers.  So we bought those k95 that kind of look like a cone.  Let me tell you, they are total shit and barely protect you from anything because they don't fit tightly to the face.  Same goes for those blue medical masks, and the cloth masks.  If you want to do bro science, try wearing one of the masks above and sand MDF with an orbital sander for ten minutes and then blow your nose after.  It will be packed with dust.  Now for the real science part, Coronavirus particles are a fraction of the size of a dust particle which mean they would get through easily. 

Here's a picture that shows you the sizes of different particles:
http://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_A13eMA5MufAtfj_v3b8nMpHmTHLeBRJVeYGOlKFyTAM.webp

[Bunk Moreland]

I had 3 clients volunteer that they weren’t vaccinated last week. One claimed it killed his mother, another just didn’t care, and the third let me know that it wasn’t good for you. This is coming from a meth addict that lives in a creek.

Need to up my mask game at work. I have a bunch of kn95 that I bought last year but how could I tell if they’re fake or not? They come in legit looking packaging.

[matt_2993]

Got my booster Friday and just had a fever the next day until about the 24 hr mark and from there just a little worn out until the next day. Then good as new.

Had a bit of a subtle panic attack with this one due to the change of setting versus my earlier shots. The first 2 I was in a huge facility with a hundred people getting shots in and out in about 1 minute, nothing to it.  This time I was in an empty costco, the 1 of 2 pharmacists took forever to prep the booster and kept asking the other which I needed, then had to go in a completely silent little room where he gave me the shot which stung a lot more than before and ultimately just fucked with my head at this point and almost passes out after lol. I just hate those weird overly medical feeling environments that give a certain feeling that can trigger some anxiety, only place that does it for me

[Sativa Lung]

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Shits really popping off now. This summer, barely knew anyone who had had covid, now like half my friends got it. Was gonna get boosted couple days ago but there was literally half a mile line outside the vaccine place, so skipped. Now I got the virus, so I guess it works as a booster?

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Nah, the natural immunity you get from contracting the virus is better for that specific mutation you caught but it doesn't last as long as the vaccine, and isn't as effective across other variations as the vaccine.

Basically, even if you have gotten the virus, it's still a really good idea to get the vaccine when you're able.

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Whats the deal with natural immunity then if he got it twice? Or is this different variants at work

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Per above, natural immunity is technically more effective than a vaccine, but only for the exact virus that you caught, and due to lacking the other components of the vaccine the immunity doesn't last as long.  Realistically if you were to spread Covid to me, the virus I have would be ever so slightly different than the virus you had.  That means your natural immunity is already less effective if we were to interact.  Have it spread to say 10 people and make its way back to you?  It could be different enough that your natural immunity is now less effective than the vaccine.

My understanding of this, and again, I'm not an expert so don't take it as gospel, is that vaccines, especially vaccines for quickly mutating viruses like Covid, are formulated with multiple antigens so that it basically casts a wider "net".  This basically means that it will protect you against multiple possible mutations, and is why the original vaccines are still fairly effective against Delta and Omicron.  The trade off for the wider net is that it's not quite as effective as the natural immunity would be against the specific mutation that you caught, but you have overall better protection.

Basically natural immunity is like your camera encountering a person with blonde hair breaking into your house, so it recognizes all people with straight blonde hair, where as a vaccine is like programming your camera to notice people with straight hair of any color.

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I will say if you wear a cloth mask with multiple layers and keep 6 feet between you and others, it's better than nothing.  Cloth masks will filter out the large droplets, which are the ones that can actually go and reach others within a few feet of you, but you're right, if you're able to wear a medical mask that seals fairly well that's definitely the better option.  The best option would be N95 or KN95 masks, but you do have to be careful about counterfeit masks that don't filter as effectively.  There's also the issue of possibly causing a shortage of N95 masks for people that really need them here, and KN95 masks for people who really need them overseas in Asia and other countries where KN95s are approved.

I have some KN95s that I was able to confirm are not counterfeit (Huheta is the brand) and I'll wear those when I know I'll likely be in close proximity to others and medical masks when I know I can easily keep my distance.

The main thing is, dispose of your masks at least daily/put your masks in the laundry at least daily.  I didn't follow this for way too long of a time, and could easily be how I had caught it at the beginning of the year since I would wash my mask weekly since I didn't wear it all day.



It's pretty clear that Biden won't force a shut down because it would be bad PR, and we really need it.  The people saying that we "might not be able to afford a shutdown" are stupid because other countries didn't have systems in place to survive a shutdown and they developed systems to make it work.  It's not that the US is unable, it's that we're unwilling.

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As someone that work in an extremely dusty environment, I can tell you that there is a lot more to masks than the "n95 rating".  Most importantly is a proper fit.  We struggled to find good masks for work because they all went to healthcare workers.  So we bought those k95 that kind of look like a cone.  Let me tell you, they are total shit and barely protect you from anything because they don't fit tightly to the face.  Same goes for those blue medical masks, and the cloth masks.  If you want to do bro science, try wearing one of the masks above and sand MDF with an orbital sander for ten minutes and then blow your nose after.  It will be packed with dust.  Now for the real science part, Coronavirus particles are a fraction of the size of a dust particle which mean they would get through easily. 

Here's a picture that shows you the sizes of different particles:
http://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_A13eMA5MufAtfj_v3b8nMpHmTHLeBRJVeYGOlKFyTAM.webp

You're not necessarily wrong but you're still sort of doing "bro science" as it pertains to covid so I feel like I should say something.

First off, fit is indeed extremely important and any n95 or kn95 should be fit tested. I have a big dirty hobo beard that prevents me from making a seal so I wear a PAPR, but early in the pandemic I actually shaved it off at work because my face shield cracked and we didn't have a new one and I didn't want to take my chances with not being able to seal.

But, that's only for filtered masks that create a seal so its not as important as you might assume coming from a job where it's paramount. Most covid masks are designed to keep particles contained and prevent them from becoming airborne rather than filtering them. They absolutely do protect you (a good surgical mask is only like 15-25% less effective than an n95 from a filtration standpoint) but MUCH more importantly they protect everyone around us by shielding them from our disease holes. Even an improperly fitted n95 or a surgical mask will reduce the amount of crap we put out by like 80-90%, so filtration becomes far less important.

So it's not bad advice to say "fit is the most important thing if you're wearing an n95“. It IS bad advice and bro science to say that other types of masks are crap and won't protect you (or, more importantly, others).

There's a lot that goes into this with droplet size, viral load, materials science etc but basically for most people a good surgical mask is going to be the easiest, safest bet and miles ahead of a thin cloth mask or bandana. There's a reason we wear them in the absolute most critical infection prevention situation (when we cut you open) after all.

[Sativa Lung]

I had 3 clients volunteer that they weren’t vaccinated last week. One claimed it killed his mother, another just didn’t care, and the third let me know that it wasn’t good for you. This is coming from a meth addict that lives in a creek.

Need to up my mask game at work. I have a bunch of kn95 that I bought last year but how could I tell if they’re fake or not? They come in legit looking packaging.

Honestly short of actually taking them in for testing it's not very easy to determine. You can google it and see if there's like a tell-tale packaging or batch number but that's probably a long shot. My advice is if you want to be absolutely sure then pony up for some good ones you know are legit and start handing those ones out to clients.

If they're unvented and well made then I'd probably feel safe wearing them in most situations though. I wouldn't do it for something high risk like where I work or riding a city bus during an outbreak, but just for like running into the gas station or something I'd be cool with it. Basically I'd just treat it like a cloth mask at that point.

[cky enthusiast]

how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly

[Loki700]

As someone that work in an extremely dusty environment, I can tell you that there is a lot more to masks than the "n95 rating".  Most importantly is a proper fit.  We struggled to find good masks for work because they all went to healthcare workers.  So we bought those k95 that kind of look like a cone.  Let me tell you, they are total shit and barely protect you from anything because they don't fit tightly to the face.  Same goes for those blue medical masks, and the cloth masks.  If you want to do bro science, try wearing one of the masks above and sand MDF with an orbital sander for ten minutes and then blow your nose after.  It will be packed with dust.  Now for the real science part, Coronavirus particles are a fraction of the size of a dust particle which mean they would get through easily. 

Here's a picture that shows you the sizes of different particles:
http://assets.weforum.org/editor/responsive_large_webp_A13eMA5MufAtfj_v3b8nMpHmTHLeBRJVeYGOlKFyTAM.webp

Fit is important and is everything, but the KN95 that are shaped like cones fit very well if you use them properly (I assume the same applies to N95 but I've not used them).  I've also used them for sanding and they worked perfectly; no dust in my nose.  If you have any mask, cloth or otherwise, it needs to seal well so that your breath is actually going through the mask.  If it's not going through the mask, then the mask isn't actually filtering like you said.  If you can't get a medical mask to seal, then you might be better off with a cloth mask that seals.

As for Coronavirus particles, the actual particle is indeed 0.1 microns at the smallest and 0.5 microns at the largest, and KN95 (and N95) masks filter out media that is 0.3 microns or larger.  However, you're ignoring one of the key issues with that thought process; viruses are transmitted through air by respiratory droplets and cannot pass without this media to transfer them.  Viruses spread by being carried within respiratory droplets.  Droplets less than 5 microns generally evaporate within a fraction of a second, large droplets larger than 100 microns settle in around half a second, and the particles that cause infection are generally between 5 and 30 microns as they are light enough to stay airborne and large enough to not evaporate.  There are other masks you can wear that still are somewhat effective.  Cloth masks have been found to be around 60% efficient at filtering out particles of this size and surgical masks around 90% efficient.  However, as the particles that spread the virus are still larger, even wearing a mask improperly is better than no mask at all.

In short, properly wearing a mask, any mask, will greatly reduce your possibility of spreading the virus, but wearing a mask at all will still reduce your likelihood of transmission like BR said.  Having a 2-3 ply cloth mask should get you close to a surgical mask, but surgical and N95/KN95 will offer the best protection.

I had 3 clients volunteer that they weren’t vaccinated last week. One claimed it killed his mother, another just didn’t care, and the third let me know that it wasn’t good for you. This is coming from a meth addict that lives in a creek.

Need to up my mask game at work. I have a bunch of kn95 that I bought last year but how could I tell if they’re fake or not? They come in legit looking packaging.

The CDC has a database with test results of different manufacturers of KN95 masks, and if you scroll down the page you can find a list of masks that have been found to not perform to the standard and are assumed to be counterfeit.  You can cross reference these two lists to find one that meets the filtering standard and is not on the assumed counterfeit list, and if the company/model is not on either of the lists, avoid it.

They also have a list of absolutely known counterfeit masks.

[Frank and Fred]

how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly

I run a couple of housing programs for homeless youth. Being in management means I don't have to be on site as much but I do still have to be there most days. Just keeping programs staffed through Covid has been an absolute nightmare. One of my overnight people just came down with it... Now its scramble to find sub workers... Its beyond stressful...

[L33Tg33k]

how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly

I am. I wish I got hazard pay.

[layzieyez]

They also have a list of absolutely known counterfeit masks.

Thank you for this CDC link for legit masks. Very helpful info for those in need.

[cky enthusiast]

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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly

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I am. I wish I got hazard pay.

same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.

no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.

[Sativa Lung]

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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly

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I am. I wish I got hazard pay.

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same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.

no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.

People in front line and essential jobs that have to interact with the public are EXACTLY the people who should have "gear madness" about their marks because they're in a position to become superspreader and infect a lot of people. So choosing a shitty mask isn't just being fatalistic, it's being a danger to others. You might get lucky and never get it, or you might get it and be the reason that someone loses their mom, dad, brother, sister, daughter, son, or even just a really good friend.

This isn't just about you, or me. It's about everyone.

[cky enthusiast]

do you work an essential job

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do you work an essential job

did you read his previous informative posts ?
he cleans stuff.

If you are cleaning stuff (especially during a pandemic), you are definitely working an essential job

What's your underlying question ?

[cky enthusiast]

i was wondering what his alternative is when i’m already punching a clock 40 hours a week trying to keep my fuckin life together through all this stupid fucking shit and one half of people thinks covid isn’t real (essentially) and the other half is deciding that in order to “inform” the other half they need to be as insulting and shaming in their language as possible.

do you think i have the space to fucking care if someone’s grandma dies because he comes to my fucking job instead of eating in a restaurant without a mask or any of the other laughable excuses for security theater the government has thrown at us while simultaneously loosening restrictions and telling the states essentially to figure it out themselves

i’m really glad you’ve found something you’re passionate about but unless you’re doing some type of subscription box of your recs im gonna keep doing what they told us to do through the strains with a higher mortality rate than this one and if you have an issue take it up with the federal governments total incompetency from start to fucking finish to care for or protect its citizens
 
also i didn’t read his posts because i don’t fucking care. i’m not obsessing over this shit. this isn’t going to be the last pandemic or mass death event in our lifetimes. i’m vaxxed. ive taken the public health
measures offered to me. they just haven’t offered
much.

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I hear you and won't blame you
You re here somewhat asking how to do better

Most common masks (cloth and chirurgical) are mostly meant to protect others from you (keep your spits for you).
If we all wear them, we protect each other

KN95 (kinda similar to FFP2 in Europe) are meant to protect you from others (them being sealed is even more important) and depending on the vent / valve it doesn't protect others from you
These are recommended to people with conditions that need some extra protection. They are more expensive

i'm not sure for KN95 (i see no reason it could be different) but the best is to never touch your chirurgical mask (only touch ear strings), never put it in your pocket, never put it under your chin and the best is to change it every 4-6 hours.
People wear masks but most people don't use them correctly which is a real concern. it's still better than nothing

cloth masks are the least efficient and should be avoided if you don't wash them daily

Wash your hands often, sneeze in your elbow, try to use your mask correctly and you will already do more than a majority of us. It's not that hard and you'll save some lifes.

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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly

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I am. I wish I got hazard pay.

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same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.

no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.

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People in front line and essential jobs that have to interact with the public are EXACTLY the people who should have "gear madness" about their marks because they're in a position to become superspreader and infect a lot of people. So choosing a shitty mask isn't just being fatalistic, it's being a danger to others. You might get lucky and never get it, or you might get it and be the reason that someone loses their mom, dad, brother, sister, daughter, son, or even just a really good friend.

This isn't just about you, or me. It's about everyone.

Helping by wearing a mask one day, blamed for being a super spreading essential worker the next day. It’s always the people laying the blame that seem the most tone deaf to me. 

[Lord Viper Scorpion]

my mask smells like cat food i should wash it

[Bunk Moreland]

i was wondering what his alternative is when i’m already punching a clock 40 hours a week trying to keep my fuckin life together through all this stupid fucking shit and one half of people thinks covid isn’t real (essentially) and the other half is deciding that in order to “inform” the other half they need to be as insulting and shaming in their language as possible.

do you think i have the space to fucking care if someone’s grandma dies because he comes to my fucking job instead of eating in a restaurant without a mask or any of the other laughable excuses for security theater the government has thrown at us while simultaneously loosening restrictions and telling the states essentially to figure it out themselves

i’m really glad you’ve found something you’re passionate about but unless you’re doing some type of subscription box of your recs im gonna keep doing what they told us to do through the strains with a higher mortality rate than this one and if you have an issue take it up with the federal governments total incompetency from start to fucking finish to care for or protect its citizens
 
also i didn’t read his posts because i don’t fucking care. i’m not obsessing over this shit. this isn’t going to be the last pandemic or mass death event in our lifetimes. i’m vaxxed. ive taken the public health
measures offered to me. they just haven’t offered
much.

Oh, you fucking care alright.

[Frank and Fred]

my mask smells like cat food i should wash it

Mail it to the Malibu Illusion or Jordan Richter. DM for their PO box numbers.

[Frank]

i try to wash my masks. not sure if that actually helps but i can't afford to buy ten masks each week. i try to cop them at work for a five finger discount.

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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly

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I am. I wish I got hazard pay.

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same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.

no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.

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People in front line and essential jobs that have to interact with the public are EXACTLY the people who should have "gear madness" about their marks because they're in a position to become superspreader and infect a lot of people. So choosing a shitty mask isn't just being fatalistic, it's being a danger to others. You might get lucky and never get it, or you might get it and be the reason that someone loses their mom, dad, brother, sister, daughter, son, or even just a really good friend.

This isn't just about you, or me. It's about everyone.

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Helping by wearing a mask one day, blamed for being a super spreading essential worker the next day. It’s always the people laying the blame that seem the most tone deaf to me.

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you're saying BFRD is posting tone deaf nonsense? huh? dude works in a hospital and sounds like he's sick of seeing people die what could be preventable deaths, if you know, more people gave a shit.

wearing masks sucks, but it's not hard to do.

He was shaming dude for not wearing the most up to par masks (in his opinion), and practically claiming that his choice of mask was tantamount to reckless endangerment. And yeah considering his username includes the phrase “rape dick” I’m not gonna sit here and not take the guys opinion with a grain of salt.

Idk, it’s late in the game to still be having the mask argument, especially following the vaccine and booster arguments. It feels like there’s always going to be the person telling you that you haven’t don’t everyone correctly to a T, and if only you did you would be morally absolved. I think we should all try to do our best and hopefully be receptive to other peoples points of view. I, however, am least receptive to shaming or grandstanding.

[Acky Jacky]

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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly

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I am. I wish I got hazard pay.

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same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.

no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.

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People in front line and essential jobs that have to interact with the public are EXACTLY the people who should have "gear madness" about their marks because they're in a position to become superspreader and infect a lot of people. So choosing a shitty mask isn't just being fatalistic, it's being a danger to others. You might get lucky and never get it, or you might get it and be the reason that someone loses their mom, dad, brother, sister, daughter, son, or even just a really good friend.

This isn't just about you, or me. It's about everyone.

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Helping by wearing a mask one day, blamed for being a super spreading essential worker the next day. It’s always the people laying the blame that seem the most tone deaf to me.

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you're saying BFRD is posting tone deaf nonsense? huh? dude works in a hospital and sounds like he's sick of seeing people die what could be preventable deaths, if you know, more people gave a shit.

wearing masks sucks, but it's not hard to do.

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He was shaming dude for not wearing the most up to par masks (in his opinion), and practically claiming that his choice of mask was tantamount to reckless endangerment. And yeah considering his username includes the phrase “rape dick” I’m not gonna sit here and not take the guys opinion with a grain of salt.

Idk, it’s late in the game to still be having the mask argument, especially following the vaccine and booster arguments. It feels like there’s always going to be the person telling you that you haven’t don’t everyone correctly to a T, and if only you did you would be morally absolved. I think we should all try to do our best and hopefully be receptive to other peoples points of view. I, however, am least receptive to shaming or grandstanding.

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Again, dude works in a hospital and is seeing people get sick and die.

I'm really not sure if you're trying to make the argument that its OK if people don't want to mask up. If wearing a mask or getting a shot might keep me or someone else from getting sick and having long term symptoms (which I experience personally) you'd better believe I'm going to do it. It's about collective well-being.

Im not equating hell ride's post to this, but do know how sick I am of seeing stores flash mobbed by anti maskers who want their view respected? School board meetings over run for the same purpose? I see it, in real life, far too regularly.

It isn't hard to wear a decent mask.

I’m making the argument that even as someone who is vaccinated against covid, and will wear a mask in indoor public settings, there are still people who insist that I’m not doing enough because I’m not “boosted” or not wearing a “decent” mask.

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how many of you dudes in here are in essential work/jobs where you interface with strangers regularly

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I am. I wish I got hazard pay.

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same. what’s ur day to day like? i feel like a lot of the dudes having gear madness about masks in this thread also don’t work essential gigs. i been rocking a few diff cloth masks during the week but that’s kinda it.. i feel like i’m prolly exposed multiple times a week and there’s not too much i can do (except shutting shit down etc.). maybe i’m a fatalist or w/e but i wanted to see what the lay of the land was.

no diss if you’re like super hyped on the ultra snug n95 w/ wizzy dizzler or whatever i just can’t be fucked to care.

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People in front line and essential jobs that have to interact with the public are EXACTLY the people who should have "gear madness" about their marks because they're in a position to become superspreader and infect a lot of people. So choosing a shitty mask isn't just being fatalistic, it's being a danger to others. You might get lucky and never get it, or you might get it and be the reason that someone loses their mom, dad, brother, sister, daughter, son, or even just a really good friend.

This isn't just about you, or me. It's about everyone.

Also, to be exact, he didn’t say he’s been seeing more people get sick and die with omicron (not saying he has or hasn’t, but I didn’t see it specified).  He say that it was obviously more transmissible. The fact that it’s more transmissible, but hasn’t show an increase in deaths to me might negate that wearing an “improper” mask equates to putting people at a greater risk of becoming fatally ill. This is definitely up for debate. We’re all probably pretty stuck in our ways about it.

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blunted anti society screed

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Oh, you fucking care alright.

about transmission rates etc? hell nah

about having to work through covid while my friends die of drugs, suicide etc and dealing with the judgement of others over wether or not i’m doing it “correctly”?  prolly a little

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i was wondering what his alternative is when i’m already punching a clock 40 hours a week trying to keep my fuckin life together through all this stupid fucking shit and one half of people thinks covid isn’t real (essentially) and the other half is deciding that in order to “inform” the other half they need to be as insulting and shaming in their language as possible.

do you think i have the space to fucking care if someone’s grandma dies because he comes to my fucking job instead of eating in a restaurant without a mask or any of the other laughable excuses for security theater the government has thrown at us while simultaneously loosening restrictions and telling the states essentially to figure it out themselves

i’m really glad you’ve found something you’re passionate about but unless you’re doing some type of subscription box of your recs im gonna keep doing what they told us to do through the strains with a higher mortality rate than this one and if you have an issue take it up with the federal governments total incompetency from start to fucking finish to care for or protect its citizens
 
also i didn’t read his posts because i don’t fucking care. i’m not obsessing over this shit. this isn’t going to be the last pandemic or mass death event in our lifetimes. i’m vaxxed. ive taken the public health
measures offered to me. they just haven’t offered
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Oh, you fucking care alright.

Lol the amount of time he took to write all that, re read it to make sure the grammar is somewhat correct so he doesn't look like a smooth brain clearly speaks volumes.

Damn, punching in at 40 hours a week sounds rough  :'(

[cky enthusiast]

talk to me not about me baby boy

[L33Tg33k]

Honestly, I'm having a real hard time caring any more. I wear two neck gaiters together while I'm at work and a cloth mask when I'm just out and about except when I'm skating. At the skatepark literally no one is wearing a mask. In my neck of the woods I'd say it's about half and half of people who bother to do anything at all and I feel myself starting to say fuck it. If me and Omicron got in a fight I might lose due to my sleep apnea but I still don't care that much. It's just that I know we need everyone to get with the program to beat this shit, but I don't ever see that happening.

[Fhk]

Meanwhile the NBA is bringing back unvaccinated Kyrie Irving to fill in part time for vaccinated players that have Covid. This just keeps getting more interesting.