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[Síota]

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Anyone know of any pivot cups that will work on old school gullwing pro 3's, the crap ones with the plastic base plate.. I forgot I had a set of them and the pivot cups are toast.

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See if RipTide has a Gullwing pivot. They might have. The Sidewinder DKP trucks were big for a while and may have used the same pivot mould. If not their "Indy" pivot might fit. Or else generic Mini Logo aftermarket etc.

Cool i'll have a look at RipTide. From memory the indy ones are too small.

[WashingtonNECKTIE]

Paging @Mbrimson88, @Woodshop and all pals who've sanded off deck graphics – do you have any pointers for a first-time sander on what kind of grit you recommend, which technique to use etc.? I'm very partial to the Ishod 8.5 twin shape and can get my hands on a bunch of them at once for a good price... but they all got the Cathedral graphic, and I really don't think I can or even want to pull off that one.

I sanded off a graphic for the first time on my most recent deck. Take my input with the smallest grain of salt cause it was a terrible experience lol

Had to do it by hand, and the grit was probably too heavy, 80 grit, I think? Even with being that coarse it took me 30+ minutes to get the paint off, bit into the bottom ply, and got paint dust

e v e r y w h e r e

ended up leaving it raw for 3 reasons. 1, the bottom ply is the sickest deep purple, and 2, i did not want to prep it for a full re-paint, 3, i was hungry to skate the board lol. Ended up using paint pens and drawing some simple shit.

if i did it again, i'd probably start with 80-100 grit, and finish with like 200+ grit and definitely a use pad sander. Wearing a mask would probably be smart too

[scab]

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Paging @Mbrimson88, @Woodshop and all pals who've sanded off deck graphics – do you have any pointers for a first-time sander on what kind of grit you recommend, which technique to use etc.? I'm very partial to the Ishod 8.5 twin shape and can get my hands on a bunch of them at once for a good price... but they all got the Cathedral graphic, and I really don't think I can or even want to pull off that one.

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I sanded off a graphic for the first time on my most recent deck. Take my input with the smallest grain of salt cause it was a terrible experience lol

Had to do it by hand, and the grit was probably too heavy, 80 grit, I think? Even with being that coarse it took me 30+ minutes to get the paint off, bit into the bottom ply, and got paint dust

e v e r y w h e r e

ended up leaving it raw for 3 reasons. 1, the bottom ply is the sickest deep purple, and 2, i did not want to prep it for a full re-paint, 3, i was hungry to skate the board lol. Ended up using paint pens and drawing some simple shit.

if i did it again, i'd probably start with 80-100 grit, and finish with like 200+ grit and definitely a use pad sander. Wearing a mask would probably be smart too

Thanks a lot! Very insightful. That sounds like more hassle than I'm willing to go through, to be honest. But that graphic is so heinous... Decisions, decisions.

[prof_oak]

sometimes i just sand enough to fuck up the graphic and then im done.

[Lou Strux]

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Paging @Mbrimson88, @Woodshop and all pals who've sanded off deck graphics – do you have any pointers for a first-time sander on what kind of grit you recommend, which technique to use etc.? I'm very partial to the Ishod 8.5 twin shape and can get my hands on a bunch of them at once for a good price... but they all got the Cathedral graphic, and I really don't think I can or even want to pull off that one.

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I sanded off a graphic for the first time on my most recent deck. Take my input with the smallest grain of salt cause it was a terrible experience lol

Had to do it by hand, and the grit was probably too heavy, 80 grit, I think? Even with being that coarse it took me 30+ minutes to get the paint off, bit into the bottom ply, and got paint dust

e v e r y w h e r e

ended up leaving it raw for 3 reasons. 1, the bottom ply is the sickest deep purple, and 2, i did not want to prep it for a full re-paint, 3, i was hungry to skate the board lol. Ended up using paint pens and drawing some simple shit.

if i did it again, i'd probably start with 80-100 grit, and finish with like 200+ grit and definitely a use pad sander. Wearing a mask would probably be smart too

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Thanks a lot! Very insightful. That sounds like more hassle than I'm willing to go through, to be honest. But that graphic is so heinous... Decisions, decisions.

Don’t forget about your old friend spray-paint.

[BeachChicken]

I've sanded off graphics and if you have an orbital sander you can get by with a quick pass with 80-100 grit to get it all over, smooth it out with anything 180 or higher, clear coat or paint and you're done. The thing you absolutely want to do is spray a decent poly clear coat over whatever you do. Seems to slide better. Gloss spray is fine.

[Mbrimson88]

Is there any difference fit wise between the skate half cab and the 92 ones?
Tempted about them after seeing the POP video.
Found a good deal on the Nick Michel 92 and the all brown skate ones.

From people who have had a few different versions, the Nick Michel 92 shoe is a lot tougher material and somewhat tighter, maybe more so because it didn't stretch out at all like the other ones tend to do.

As to the 92 style in general, it is just a slightly different toe cap that wraps over the other panel in the ollie area, so not a huge difference in the fit of the shoe, but maybe as above, more so in the specific materials used for different shoes, which will make some way tighter / stiffer / tougher (full grain leather), compared to others which are way more likely to stretch out (suede) from what I have seen and felt with some of mine.

[Mbrimson88]

Paging @Mbrimson88, @Woodshop and all pals who've sanded off deck graphics – do you have any pointers for a first-time sander on what kind of grit you recommend, which technique to use etc.? I'm very partial to the Ishod 8.5 twin shape and can get my hands on a bunch of them at once for a good price... but they all got the Cathedral graphic, and I really don't think I can or even want to pull off that one.

Maybe late to the party, but as others have said, sometimes sanding can be good or bad.

I have tended to go more for scraping the graphic off with a sharp blade, but again, that takes time, lots of effort and some patience, but above all practice to get the technique working so now after a dozen or more, I can take the graphic off quite quickly from most boards, but some the paint seems to want to come off more easily than others too.

Even just having a sharp razor blade and using it like a scraper, not cutting or pushing the sharp blade into the wood, but scraping it over in a more vertical or slightly tilted way was the best way to do it, going with the grain more so than across and I was surprised how quickly some graphics came right off.  The best part of this I found, was that it didn't take off the underlayers or eat into the bottom ply in the same way sanding does, so although it did make a bit of a mess, it wasn't half as bad all up as using sandpaper, or grip tape - both of which I have done in the past.


All up, I would say, try a little here or there just to see, eg on the kick end first, even round the edge to start with and then a little more on the face of the board, but once you get a rhythm going, it will often end up being easier than some people might think.

Note, RSI is not fun, so try it a bit, leave it, then come back to it, more so than trying to do the whole thing and busting an elbow.



This may or may not help, but this is one of the posts about it:


https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/brimosblanks/

[yourbreakfsat]

Anyone else feel so burned out on skate product? Maybe it's because I haven't been skating as much as I used to lately but it feels like there's way too many options on the market with few unique items and everything's starting to look the same.

[Unkle Fleak]

I always post in the wrong place when I’m on a wahhhh. 

Did you see NATAS in on Eazy E’s headstone!!’

Holy shit Natas!

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Paging @Mbrimson88, @Woodshop and all pals who've sanded off deck graphics – do you have any pointers for a first-time sander on what kind of grit you recommend, which technique to use etc.? I'm very partial to the Ishod 8.5 twin shape and can get my hands on a bunch of them at once for a good price... but they all got the Cathedral graphic, and I really don't think I can or even want to pull off that one.

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Maybe late to the party, but as others have said, sometimes sanding can be good or bad.

I have tended to go more for scraping the graphic off with a sharp blade, but again, that takes time, lots of effort and some patience, but above all practice to get the technique working so now after a dozen or more, I can take the graphic off quite quickly from most boards, but some the paint seems to want to come off more easily than others too.

Even just having a sharp razor blade and using it like a scraper, not cutting or pushing the sharp blade into the wood, but scraping it over in a more vertical or slightly tilted way was the best way to do it, going with the grain more so than across and I was surprised how quickly some graphics came right off.  The best part of this I found, was that it didn't take off the underlayers or eat into the bottom ply in the same way sanding does, so although it did make a bit of a mess, it wasn't half as bad all up as using sandpaper, or grip tape - both of which I have done in the past.


All up, I would say, try a little here or there just to see, eg on the kick end first, even round the edge to start with and then a little more on the face of the board, but once you get a rhythm going, it will often end up being easier than some people might think.

Note, RSI is not fun, so try it a bit, leave it, then come back to it, more so than trying to do the whole thing and busting an elbow.



This may or may not help, but this is one of the posts about it:


https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/brimosblanks/

Gold as always, Brimson. Thanks for your expertise!

I've sanded off graphics and if you have an orbital sander you can get by with a quick pass with 80-100 grit to get it all over, smooth it out with anything 180 or higher, clear coat or paint and you're done. The thing you absolutely want to do is spray a decent poly clear coat over whatever you do. Seems to slide better. Gloss spray is fine.

Thanks to you as well! Since I have none of those things on hand and definitely lack the patience to go the razor blade route I think I'll just go with @Lou Strux 's suggestion. Although in true Slap fashion I hate to go the easy and sensible route when it comes to shoes and gear.

[Mbrimson88]

Gold as always, Brimson. Thanks for your expertise!

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I've sanded off graphics and if you have an orbital sander you can get by with a quick pass with 80-100 grit to get it all over, smooth it out with anything 180 or higher, clear coat or paint and you're done. The thing you absolutely want to do is spray a decent poly clear coat over whatever you do. Seems to slide better. Gloss spray is fine.

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Thanks to you as well! Since I have none of those things on hand and definitely lack the patience to go the razor blade route I think I'll just go with @Lou Strux 's suggestion. Although in true Slap fashion I hate to go the easy and sensible route when it comes to shoes and gear.

A good can of full gloss black was always a staple for a lot of guys over the years - covered whatever board brand they were riding and didn't need to show that they weren't actually riding their own or spono brand board, but still looked pretty good when various colours sort of showed through with use.  I never had to worry about that, but I certainly have sprayed a lot of boards over the years as well.

For real though, the razor blade can be the best or worst thing I have ever done, depending on the board, or how my arm / shoulder / body is feeling both before and afterwards, but I do like some of those nice plain stains.

[Tommy G]

Anyone else feel so burned out on skate product? Maybe it's because I haven't been skating as much as I used to lately but it feels like there's way too many options on the market with few unique items and everything's starting to look the same.

Yeah, at this point I've just started to stick with what I like. New product is cool every once in a while, but I don't like having so much to choose from that it's overwhelming. I need to skate more with the backlog of product I have.

[Texas_Tone]

What’s a shorter wheelbase do??? I’m currently on a 14.2 wheelbase and I just kinda feel like it’s long, my back foot keeps coming off during Ollie’s, I’ve never been super into the wheelbase aspect of a board but since my injury these 14.25 seems super long, but I’ve also been on lil cruiser boards so it could be a mental thing, so I was wondering if a board with shorter wheelbase would help my air foot, and maybe sooth my troubled mind

[roba]

What’s a shorter wheelbase do??? I’m currently on a 14.2 wheelbase and I just kinda feel like it’s long, my back foot keeps coming off during Ollie’s, I’ve never been super into the wheelbase aspect of a board but since my injury these 14.25 seems super long, but I’ve also been on lil cruiser boards so it could be a mental thing, so I was wondering if a board with shorter wheelbase would help my air foot, and maybe sooth my troubled mind

shorter wheelbase is theoretically better for tricks that spin and flip at the same time and longer wheelbase is theoretically better for tricks that either spin or flip or don't do anything at all

[moonordie]

What’s a shorter wheelbase do??? I’m currently on a 14.2 wheelbase and I just kinda feel like it’s long, my back foot keeps coming off during Ollie’s, I’ve never been super into the wheelbase aspect of a board but since my injury these 14.25 seems super long, but I’ve also been on lil cruiser boards so it could be a mental thing, so I was wondering if a board with shorter wheelbase would help my air foot, and maybe sooth my troubled mind

Easier to flip

[moonordie]

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Anyone else feel so burned out on skate product? Maybe it's because I haven't been skating as much as I used to lately but it feels like there's way too many options on the market with few unique items and everything's starting to look the same.

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Yeah, at this point I've just started to stick with what I like. New product is cool every once in a while, but I don't like having so much to choose from that it's overwhelming. I need to skate more with the backlog of product I have.

And still the choices for a cupsole high top are extremely limited.

[BeachChicken]

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What’s a shorter wheelbase do??? I’m currently on a 14.2 wheelbase and I just kinda feel like it’s long, my back foot keeps coming off during Ollie’s, I’ve never been super into the wheelbase aspect of a board but since my injury these 14.25 seems super long, but I’ve also been on lil cruiser boards so it could be a mental thing, so I was wondering if a board with shorter wheelbase would help my air foot, and maybe sooth my troubled mind

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shorter wheelbase is theoretically better for tricks that spin and flip at the same time and longer wheelbase is theoretically better for tricks that either spin or flip or don't do anything at all

Just noting that kicks affect the equation a lot too. I rode the 8.25x14 Easy Rider my friend has and felt it was snappy, but sluggish for Tre flips. The tail is massive and as big as or bigger than many noses in that size. The nose is fucking huge too and it just feels like it whips slow. I rode his Baker 8.25 with 14.25 and that thing had effortless Tre flips for me. The tail was a lot shorter and the board was a 1/4" shorter.

As for your ollies- technique man. I air foot when adjusting to new trucks, but you have to identify when to pull the rear foot up. Airfooting usually means you are snapping too hard and in too much of a 1-2 motion and pulling your rear foot up too late. One trick someone taught me when I was a kid was to push not just down, but back into the tail a bit and think of lifting the rear of your board up right as the foot hits the nose.

[Texas_Tone]

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What’s a shorter wheelbase do??? I’m currently on a 14.2 wheelbase and I just kinda feel like it’s long, my back foot keeps coming off during Ollie’s, I’ve never been super into the wheelbase aspect of a board but since my injury these 14.25 seems super long, but I’ve also been on lil cruiser boards so it could be a mental thing, so I was wondering if a board with shorter wheelbase would help my air foot, and maybe sooth my troubled mind

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shorter wheelbase is theoretically better for tricks that spin and flip at the same time and longer wheelbase is theoretically better for tricks that either spin or flip or don't do anything at all

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Just noting that kicks affect the equation a lot too. I rode the 8.25x14 Easy Rider my friend has and felt it was snappy, but sluggish for Tre flips. The tail is massive and as big as or bigger than many noses in that size. The nose is fucking huge too and it just feels like it whips slow. I rode his Baker 8.25 with 14.25 and that thing had effortless Tre flips for me. The tail was a lot shorter and the board was a 1/4" shorter.

As for your ollies- technique man. I air foot when adjusting to new trucks, but you have to identify when to pull the rear foot up. Airfooting usually means you are snapping too hard and in too much of a 1-2 motion and pulling your rear foot up too late. One trick someone taught me when I was a kid was to push not just down, but back into the tail a bit and think of lifting the rear of your board up right as the foot hits the nose.

Yea im prolly just overthinking it, my knee still isn’t what it was and I’m prolly just being hard on myself, I do have a Christmas complete so I prolly just need to get used to it

[IusedToSkateMore]

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What’s a shorter wheelbase do??? I’m currently on a 14.2 wheelbase and I just kinda feel like it’s long, my back foot keeps coming off during Ollie’s, I’ve never been super into the wheelbase aspect of a board but since my injury these 14.25 seems super long, but I’ve also been on lil cruiser boards so it could be a mental thing, so I was wondering if a board with shorter wheelbase would help my air foot, and maybe sooth my troubled mind

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shorter wheelbase is theoretically better for tricks that spin and flip at the same time and longer wheelbase is theoretically better for tricks that either spin or flip or don't do anything at all

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Just noting that kicks affect the equation a lot too. I rode the 8.25x14 Easy Rider my friend has and felt it was snappy, but sluggish for Tre flips. The tail is massive and as big as or bigger than many noses in that size. The nose is fucking huge too and it just feels like it whips slow. I rode his Baker 8.25 with 14.25 and that thing had effortless Tre flips for me. The tail was a lot shorter and the board was a 1/4" shorter.

As for your ollies- technique man. I air foot when adjusting to new trucks, but you have to identify when to pull the rear foot up. Airfooting usually means you are snapping too hard and in too much of a 1-2 motion and pulling your rear foot up too late. One trick someone taught me when I was a kid was to push not just down, but back into the tail a bit and think of lifting the rear of your board up right as the foot hits the nose.

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Yea im prolly just overthinking it, my knee still isn’t what it was and I’m prolly just being hard on myself, I do have a Christmas complete so I prolly just need to get used to it

Never heard someone say 14.25 is too long WB. You got me bugging on that! You ever think about a 14.5 for the sake of trying it? I find it to be easier on the old knees than 14, w 14.25 being the nicest for me. Probably the case because its what ive ridden but ya never know… i find 14.25-14.5 w steep kicks to make for some nice pop

[breezy_again]

not a question but a statement, i've heard that creative urethane is going to stop making skateboard wheels if they haven't already

[Mbrimson88]

not a question but a statement, i've heard that creative urethane is going to stop making skateboard wheels if they haven't already

I wonder if that is due in part, or completely, with the influx of other cheap wheels, almost all coming from manufacturing in China now, as every other time I see some new brand or some new blank wheels, they come from China and some of them are not only cheap but also perform quite well too, although still far from Spitfire or Bones in their usual properties.

Been seeing for a while now, manufacturing moving out of USA so it is rare to see anyone moving into USA, but for a very well established brand like Creative, I could only imagine things would be getting more difficult as more and more production facilities pop up in other countries, all pumping out wheels and urethane products at higher and higher rates, at lower and lower prices too.

[Dwyck]

For those the old contests - think the footage from loveletters - where there's voiceovers describing every rider and postgame interviews where Grosso would talk about getting bionic or Neil Blender would be wacky - were those on tape? Aired on TV?

[biaherl]

For those the old contests - think the footage from loveletters - where there's voiceovers describing every rider and postgame interviews where Grosso would talk about getting bionic or Neil Blender would be wacky - were those on tape? Aired on TV?

From what I remember as a child the only way you saw skateboarding on TV was if it was in ABC's Wide World of Sports or something like that and it was usually a downhill WR speed attempt or race or slalom.

The contest tapes were always meant to be rented at your local rental store

IDK maybe the Arizona contest, the NSA's, Mount trashmore, or Dayton OH,(I can't believe I cant remember the most famous street contest series) maybe they were aired locally. I was around for the Vision contest and I don't remember them being aired on TV, but I was a kid I was outside having fun. The only thing I remember being on TV during the day on the weekend as a kid was golf, so I never looked at the TV


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[Mystical Leader]

I used to buy sample shoes from skateshops. Is that still a thing nowadays? It feels like I haven't seen any in a long time. Has the shoe game changed so much that there is no longer need for it? My local used to have these sample sales and there were always lots of shoes to decide from the basic skate brands. Maybe like ten fifteen years ago. Granted now people mainly wear athletic brands rather than "skate" brands like DC, Emerica, Lakai etc... So maybe there is no need for it because people have been wearing the same models for years now.. I'm just interested to hear from someone working in a skate shop.

[roba]

i'm sample size too (kind of, some shoes fit me in a 9 others i'll need a 9.5) and i still run into samples from time to time but i buy them from weird sources and i've never seen a sample pair in a skateshop. samples are surely still out there but i don't think skateshops can or would sell them, i mean the sample pairs always have "SAMPLE NOT FOR SALE" or something similar written on the inside of the shoe somewhere

[Pbn_jake]

What’s a shorter wheelbase do??? I’m currently on a 14.2 wheelbase and I just kinda feel like it’s long, my back foot keeps coming off during Ollie’s, I’ve never been super into the wheelbase aspect of a board but since my injury these 14.25 seems super long, but I’ve also been on lil cruiser boards so it could be a mental thing, so I was wondering if a board with shorter wheelbase would help my air foot, and maybe sooth my troubled mind

What trucks are you running with that WB?

[scab]

Pals, I realize this is gonna sound pretty dumb... but how exactly do axles get bent? I've bent 3 pairs of Venture hollows in the past 6 months. Before that I rode the same pair of trucks, also Venture hollows, for well over a year without any issues. Nothing about the way I skate has fundamentally changed, I even skate way less than I did before, so you'd think I could make stuff last longer. Instead these damn axles keep getting bent. Is it just bad luck? Does it happen on impact on ledges? Or when I stomp my huge gap tricks (i. e., ollies and 180s down 5 stairs)? Any insight is greatly appreciated.

[moonordie]

Pals, I realize this is gonna sound pretty dumb... but how exactly do axles get bent? I've bent 3 pairs of Venture hollows in the past 6 months. Before that I rode the same pair of trucks, also Venture hollows, for well over a year without any issues. Nothing about the way I skate has fundamentally changed, I even skate way less than I did before, so you'd think I could make stuff last longer. Instead these damn axles keep getting bent. Is it just bad luck? Does it happen on impact on ledges? Or when I stomp my huge gap tricks (i. e., ollies and 180s down 5 stairs)? Any insight is greatly appreciated.

Bad luck, body weight or riding Phantoms 2.

[Mbrimson88]

Pals, I realize this is gonna sound pretty dumb... but how exactly do axles get bent? I've bent 3 pairs of Venture hollows in the past 6 months. Before that I rode the same pair of trucks, also Venture hollows, for well over a year without any issues. Nothing about the way I skate has fundamentally changed, I even skate way less than I did before, so you'd think I could make stuff last longer. Instead these damn axles keep getting bent. Is it just bad luck? Does it happen on impact on ledges? Or when I stomp my huge gap tricks (i. e., ollies and 180s down 5 stairs)? Any insight is greatly appreciated.

I don't think I have ever bent any axles in my life, but in recent years I know a few guys who always retire trucks earlier than others would because they have bent axles and can feel it / see it.  These guys are not the sort of people who I usually associate with big drops or heavy skating - skinny and tall, more than anything - yet I see set after set with the back toe side more bent than anything, which just seems weird.

Happens on Venture, Thunder and Indy from the last few years, so I would not even say it is any one specific brand either, axles on standard, hollow and ti variations, so it happens with everything for him.

As to others, sure some people are heavy in the landings, or do drops or whatever from heights, stairs or things I could easily see would bend axles or break boards.  Even a board focus can cause other things, but I think I am getting a little off track.


Not sure why, but I do think hollow axles bent the quickest for one guy I know too, so there might be some issue with the metal, the heat treating or who knows what.  Things have changed in production location in recent years - gone from SF, USA down to Mexico, so maybe there is something in that too.

At least it isn't Indy ti axles breaking for you - that is a crazy one, but a whole different story, as per the other thread about it.


* I forgot to say, any bent axles I hammer back to approximately straight and recycle them onto kids boards, or loan boards and for the most part they hold up great and don't have issues.  I know once bent, they would be weaker, but even for adults skating them again, they seemed fine and I only had one set I had to hammer straight again after someone heavier skated that board.