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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3660 on: February 13, 2026, 09:50:45 PM »
Today I got reminded to not expect anything from changing gear. Tried my 159 cast hollows today. I had high expectations,  but in reality I skate as good/bad as with the standards. Wearing in new bushings suck as well.
 
Big shout out to Mbrimson88 for suggesting the Antihero 8.62. The initial meh changed and I really like it now. Just needed a little bit time to adjust. Really like its longer tail compared to the creature 8.6


Yes, that shape is definitely not for everyone, but it is such a good shape for a bigger / longer board that is not upwards or closer to an 8.8 or 9" size that is maybe a little more common with those other dimensions.

I prefer a longer tail on most boards, at least longer than what they have on there, so that one is a good one that doesn't need much change or anything done to it, which also works really well on cast Indy trucks for me.  I couldn't see longer wheelbase trucks working too well, but I am sure someone has done it and made it work for them too.


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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3661 on: February 16, 2026, 01:22:52 AM »
He never says anything about it, but I've noticed it a buncha times over the years, how Reynolds will have a white top bushing on one truck or maybe sometimes both trucks

I was messing around in the garage with my friend's board who likes tight trucks but doesn't like breaking in new bushings or having a bunch of kingpin sticking out, or the top bushing getting shredded, etc. so I've been trying to solve that for them

We were still getting more turn than we wanted with the black cylinder Indy bushings, so I put some bones hardcore "hard" tops on em and that might be the ticket as long as they don't blow out

But I think the mysterious white top bushings Reynolds uses are probably bones. They're a little taller and he usually has like one thread showing with them, but when I see him with cut-down kingpins it's usually just oranges top & bottom

I think once I get my hands on some stage 4 bushings, I can try a stage 4 bottom/stage 11 top, both black/94a, on a regular, un-cut kingpin.

Tomorrow I'm gonna set up a board with some hollow cast baseplates, that I already cut about 1/8" off the top of the kingpins... Haven't tried em yet. Bushings fit fine and I easily have enough room to start the nut spinning and everything. I'll try them with oranges for me and blacks for the homie and see what kinda results I'm getting

Still rocking with the 144 standards, probably going to continue to do so until they break and then get another set. Still trying to figure out my bushing situation. Right now running a full turn past nut flush with orange cylinders, which I guess is like two threads showing and the most kingpin I'm willing to have sticking out. I also like the black bushings too. The blue conicals were too wiggly for me after all

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3662 on: February 16, 2026, 10:05:39 AM »
He never says anything about it, but I've noticed it a buncha times over the years, how Reynolds will have a white top bushing on one truck or maybe sometimes both trucks

I was messing around in the garage with my friend's board who likes tight trucks but doesn't like breaking in new bushings or having a bunch of kingpin sticking out, or the top bushing getting shredded, etc. so I've been trying to solve that for them

We were still getting more turn than we wanted with the black cylinder Indy bushings, so I put some bones hardcore "hard" tops on em and that might be the ticket as long as they don't blow out

But I think the mysterious white top bushings Reynolds uses are probably bones. They're a little taller and he usually has like one thread showing with them, but when I see him with cut-down kingpins it's usually just oranges top & bottom

I think once I get my hands on some stage 4 bushings, I can try a stage 4 bottom/stage 11 top, both black/94a, on a regular, un-cut kingpin.

Tomorrow I'm gonna set up a board with some hollow cast baseplates, that I already cut about 1/8" off the top of the kingpins... Haven't tried em yet. Bushings fit fine and I easily have enough room to start the nut spinning and everything. I'll try them with oranges for me and blacks for the homie and see what kinda results I'm getting

Still rocking with the 144 standards, probably going to continue to do so until they break and then get another set. Still trying to figure out my bushing situation. Right now running a full turn past nut flush with orange cylinders, which I guess is like two threads showing and the most kingpin I'm willing to have sticking out. I also like the black bushings too. The blue conicals were too wiggly for me after all

Reynolds needs to just join SLAP to share his gear research.  He's got the funds and access to try everything, so it would be doing the world a real service.

Also... Indy bushings used to be better 20 years ago.  Softer to start, then settled in to a REAL mid-hardness for someone around 180 pounds.

These news durometers suck, these durometers don’t feel like the used to. the top bushings are taller than older bushings (Is it because older skated bushings are squished down?  maybe)  maybe since new trucks have never been flush with kingpin, that’s what I’m remembering: looser trucks. (I’m putting these new bushings with nut flush so it’s going to be 1-2 threads tighter…. Which can make a big difference)

 I wonder if the white top bushing is the white indy aftermarket 78.  Or maybe it is the Stage 4 top bushing.   Those are listed at 88 duro.

I'm going to try and look through posts to see what the Stage 4 measurements are....

Okay stage 4 is taller? (Needs verification)

Stage 4 — Top ≈ 12.55 mm (0.494 in), Bottom ≈ 14.70 mm (0.579 in).
Stage 11 — Top ≈ 10.37 mm (0.409 in), Bottom ≈ 13.10 mm (0.516 in).
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3663 on: February 16, 2026, 01:30:03 PM »
Also... Indy bushings used to be better 20 years ago.  Softer to start, then settled in to a REAL mid-hardness for someone around 180 pounds.

 I wonder if the white top bushing is the white indy aftermarket 78.  Or maybe it is the Stage 4 top bushing.   Those are listed at 88 duro.
It's *definitely* not the soft ones or stage 4 ones on his setup, I've been noticing it for years before stage 4 even got re-released and he likes tight trucks and cutting his kingpins down

Yeah the old orange conicals that came stock were harder(92a) & taller, like ace/stg 4 bushings



With stage 9 the geo changed, but they kept the same bushings from before, so if you took your hanger off it was like impossible to get the kingpin nut back on

Now they come with shorter, 90a orange cylinders

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3664 on: February 16, 2026, 03:12:42 PM »
I got a new board and set it up only to realize that there seemed to be a horizontal crack right where the front trucks were. It looked like the bottom ply was already cracked. I was like “oh hell nah”, I hadn’t even done a proper session on it yet. I ended up getting a scrap of grip and sanding it to see if it was actually a crack or just a scratch that made it look like a crack, and it ended up just being a scratch. Once the graphic was sanded it exposed the raw bottom ply with no crack. Now there’s just a giant bare spot on the bottom of my board, but at least now I know it’s not a crack.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3665 on: February 16, 2026, 03:24:47 PM »
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Indy bushings have definitely changed a lot over the years, both stock and aftermarket sets, but the main differences, as already noted, the older ones were both taller (especially the tops) and harder, their old catalogs still show this too.  I have some of each, but it is easier to just post images that are already online right now.

There have been three main variants of the aftermarket bushings that I know of, the first being the small clear bagged hang sell versions, which came in three options, red, orange and black, all conical shaped and so much harder than now.

* Just measured and the tops were almost 12 mm tall, bottoms 13 to 14 mm on some sets, but I used to cut the red tops down for Stage 9 trucks and they worked really well - still have some in trucks and on boards from that time.

Red 92 duro (not so soft but softened up nicely over time)
Orange 94 duro (fairly hard and remained hard)
Black 96 duro (rock hard and never really broke in)




Then there were the white boxes, which were way more "normal" but some sets still had taller tops, maybe old stock, others pretty much similar to what they are now, which might have been the revised sizing.  They also included the low bushing line - just a lower top bushing, same bottom bushing, also in three options, red, orange and black.  Some packaging had the red as 90 and others as 92, some had orange as 92 and others as 94 and the black ones were still 96 from what I can recall and what I have here.

Red 90 / 92 (a fair bit softer than what they were before)
Orange 92 / 94
Black 96 (still rock hard)




Lastly the newer clear plastic containers, five bushing options, same as they are now, also still had the low top option for a while, conical in red, orange, blue and black, cylinder in all - white 78, red 88, orange 90, blue 92, black 94, yellow 96.  All of these bushing options were way softer than any of the older ones, with a few funny things, like the red ones being a more solid feel but still squashed down a lot, the orange feeling more soft than the red and softer than the stock orange and a few other things.

The newer bushings felt like the break in time was way less and I could have a set running really well after one session on mini ramp, compared to maybe a few sessions on older bushings.  They also seem like they hold up really well overall, minimal issues with them blowing out or any other problems, although I have seen almost every brand of bushing destroyed at some point, but maybe more so the tops being cut from the washer than anything else.


As to the exact timeline of them, I don't know right now, but I thought I had noted it down somewhere at some point, but I had the old clear bag through stage 9 so up until maybe 2009 / 2010, then maybe the white box from stage 10 through 11 and then the expanded options in the clear plastic boxes from around 2015 or so.

I think more than anything, they were just easier to get than most others but I have picked up a lot more of the old bushing packs from shops closing and "found stock" that have been sold off every now and then.


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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3666 on: February 16, 2026, 03:47:35 PM »
Who's gonna order the last paper-box set of orange 92s I pictured from Thuro?

I've seen some bagged 80's ones on eBay that were pretty cool. I've seen red, black and white and I'm pretty sure blue, I gotta remember to screenshot them hahah

There's a shop that had a set of red 92a Lows in stock  but I don't remember where

I wish there were conical stage 4 bushings

I could just buy some slightly older 215s off eBay for orange cylinders that size, I've thought about it before.

I bet a conical stage 4 height bottom bushing, with a regular stage 11 top, in some stage 11 trucks would probably feel like the older trucks dude was talking about

Pumped to try the stage 4 bottom bushing/stage 11 top bushing combo though

A flat washer underneath the bottom bushing washer was working pretty good with stock oranges/2 threads showing so that's what makes me think a stage 4 bottom bushing could achieve the same thing but a cleaner look.. I'm gonna go put together a setup with kingpins ground down ~1/8" right now and see what's up. That way the homie can have his shit super tight but without all the kingpin sticking up getting made fun of hahah




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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3667 on: February 16, 2026, 04:17:26 PM »
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I still see a few of the old Indy bushing sets here or there, but for the most part, they are on shop profiles I either don't know or are in other places, USA, EU or elsewhere.  I guess for people who are really keen, they could pick up a few, but the current bushings really are pretty good and nothing else is needed. 

If you need to machine anything in the way of bushings, I just stack the bushings on a kingpin attached to a board, so the top bushing is just sitting up around the top of the kingpin and then use an angle grinder to gently machine it, as the bushing will spin and I can reshape anything in a fairly uniform way, make a cylinder bushing have a conical shape, take down the top a little, etc.  Pretty easy and not a lot of know how or other tools required - just a little care and not going too crazy with anything.

The conical bushings do squash down a mm or so as well, which is why they might be taller from new, bottom conical is 1 mm taller than bottom cylinder in some sets I have.


I meant to say too, it would be pretty amazing to have Andrew Reynolds add a few more bits and pieces of his knowledge and setups to his posts, but maybe he doesn't want to go in too deep, or just likes to try different things, not so much to document or list all the things he has tried or done.

He definitely rides tighter trucks than most, so it makes sense to take the kingpin down a thread or two, which I have done on a number of brands, just to give a little more clearance as well as have everything fit nicely, including the new T-II trucks on stock bushings, now that they are nicely worn in.


Maybe more than anything, I know what works for me and I have enough time and product to be able to mess with things and see how they turn out, so it is never a case of "oh no, I just destroyed something" but I have come close a number of times, with some things almost unrideable after messing with it too much.

Thanks to Slap, I think I have been trying a whole lot more than I used to think I would ever do, because someone is always tinkering with something and it is fun to experiment and see what works, or how much I can change things to still make it good or go too far, but I also get that some of the things I do might be a little too much for some people.

One guy I know says any time he sees my board, I make his head hurt with all the different things I have done to it.


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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3668 on: February 16, 2026, 06:21:02 PM »
If you need to machine anything in the way of bushings, I just stack the bushings on a kingpin attached to a board, so the top bushing is just sitting up around the top of the kingpin and then use an angle grinder to gently machine it, as the bushing will spin and I can reshape anything in a fairly uniform way, make a cylinder bushing have a conical shape, take down the top a little, etc.  Pretty easy and not a lot of know how or other tools required - just a little care and not going too crazy with anything.

This makes sense, I can imagine exactly what you're saying, thanks!

I know the conical aftermarkets are a wee bit taller nowadays and they do compress down easier, but they're not turbo tall like the old ones tho

Well I went and checked all that stuff out in the garage

I think if you're gonna cut some kingpin off, it's best to just tighten your trucks with the bushings you like in them and just grind off what's stickin out and just leave it. I think that's how Reynolds does it too

Gonna try some of those yellow bushings for the homies board if the black ones don't work out. I tried black Indy cylinder bottom with bones hard tops, which works good but I'm worried about it blowing out. Tried some aftermarket cylinder black with a bones flat washer hidden underneath the Indy top washer, that works good too

Right now we're just rocking it like this - 1.5 turns past nut flush, Indy aftermarket 94s, no grinding or extra washers or anything



And here's mine with one full turn past nut flush on aftermarket oranges. Can't wait to get a crooked groove going and skate in some 72° weather



Note how there's more of an angled-off, unthreaded area on the standard kingpins, vs. the hollows that are pretty square on the end and the threads go right up to the top

So on the hollows, the nut is actually flush with the bolt when it's tightened to the point where the nylon is fully engaged

If I tighten to where the nut is flush with the bolt on my standards, it looks like the nut is gonna fall of

Obviously once it stops snowing my kingpins are gonna get all bashed and ground to shit anyways, but it's just kinda interesting to me
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3669 on: February 16, 2026, 06:33:35 PM »
I think I've settled on what my most consistent setup is 100%

8.25" x 14.25" wb BBS
Indy standard 149
Bones swiss
53mm spitfire F4 99a classics

I don't think I ever want to fuck with hollow standards or 8.5" decks anymore

I don't really feel the urge to mess with my bushings anymore either.

I think I've deleted all the madness with axle washers, bushings, truck models and sizes, bearings, decks. The hardest one to kill is wheel madness. Ive gotten it down to where I think I'm good though. A small range. Wheels wear down anyways and each individual size isn't that important. But something like a 3mm jump in size can change everything.

I'd be fine on 52s or 54s, and probably bigheads instead of classics, and not notice a difference, depending on what the shop has. I'd probably prefer bigheads if I have to get 52s though. I'm not against skating classic 99 formula either if I have to

I think I'll probably end up skating a lot of 54mm 93a classics though that's probably my favorite wheel right now.

Wheels are kinda like shoes cause they wear down quicker so I can always try something a little different here and there that isn't going to fuck up my skating. Bigheads, classics, classic fulls. 52, 53, 54mm. 93, 97, 99, 101a. Anything in that range should be totally fine

If the shop doesn't have 8.25 x 14.25wb I know I can always still fuck with a blue eagle or b16

But I'm unwilling to substitute standard indys for hollows anymore. It just changes like, the soul of the setup.

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As for shoes, with my wide ass foot

I'm pretty set on Jordan 1s. Classic style/matches my clothes well, has some skateboarding heritage, I can find them on sale at a buncha places, but most importantly they fit my foot and have a lot of lateral stability that I don't have in other shoes. Bonus is that they last, and have that lateral strap coming up for the bottom three laces in the exact spot I put the most wear on. Same spot my foot spills over the outsole on skinnier shoes. And they got hella good boardfeel and an airbag in the heel. I put FP kingfoam flat 5mm or 7mm insoles in.


Top: dunk
Bottom: aj1

 I can get away with blazers and dunk SBs and stuff fine but they don't last me nearly as long in the heelflip/Ollie area. I'm gonna get some angelus leather paint so I can paint over the swoosh, or paint over a colorful shoe I got on sale or something. Like if it's the black blazers with the white swoosh, I can just paint over the swoosh black so it isn't like a big advertisement. I'm gonna try the white paint over the red swoosh on some AJ1 mids I'm currently skating.

I'll skate the Jordan 1s till they're pretty fucked up, then save em as chill/beater shoes to wear to shows and stuff

I'm interested in the reboot iPaths and the LRAB cupsoles though but I'll probably just stick to AJ1s

Trying to get my shit minimal style like a cartoon character or something always wearing the same shit

That was pretty carthartic to read someone finding peace.  Did you ever try ipath?  The grasshoppers are great for wide feet (and big-ass bunions).

Man, seeing skating in Jordan 1's is kind of rad.  Even better when it's a resell shoe that's worth at least 2x > retail, haha.  I'm pretty sure I saw some kid skating the Travis high's once.  (The mocha brown ones.)   I've seen a red, black, white  colorway once, too (which some aren't expensive now).  There are definitely some 1's that are reselling below retail now, so it's an attainable shoe. 

(*I came across this post while searching around for the easiest, and most uniform way to sand down bushings.  Think it was just to use sand paper on flat and run it around in circles, and measure every few seconds.)

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3670 on: February 16, 2026, 06:41:24 PM »
Haven't had iPaths in a long ass time but I've heard they're great for wider feets

Funny reading back on my unemployed mental situation

I ended up getting 144 standards instead but everything else is the same. Getting 54mm wheels just to have a little more meat to wear down. And 54s are pretty much what I've been about for the last 6 years straight, while dabbling in some other sizes

My Jordan 1s outsole is starting to wear out and I've put superglue on toe stitches and on the leather in the heelflip area but I haven't blown through either toe from kickflips yet. Amazing. I wish they were grippier but the fit and durability of aj1s is on point for me

I've cut bushings down with a blade before, but I followed up by rubbing them in circles on an old broken board's griptape to even everything out


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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3671 on: February 16, 2026, 07:31:01 PM »

I think my bushing woes are due to me tightening the nut flush, since standard Indy's had like the nylon "just" engaged, so the kingpin sat maybe a mm below the top of the nut.   That sounds about right, right?


* Adding this here, as per post in the Indy thread, as it is cross referencing both threads with info.


It was a funny thing too, going back over different eras of stock bushings, which were also taller to start with, then lower tops on the Stage 11s, but still a more solid material, bright orange, often took a bit to break in and even then were a bit hit and miss.  Then when things went completely to China, the bushings changed again, a more translucent looking orange, very much feeling softer, but broke in way better and firmed up nicely for the most part.

As to where the kingpin nut sat, I know the old ones had to be skated first then changed out second, as they had to compress to fit in well and also as said, it was near impossible to get the kingpin nut back on fresh unskated Indy trucks back in the old days.

Maybe the kingpin nut actually sits a bit lower these days, maybe due to the bushings being a bit lower so the rattle gun that puts them on still goes about the same force.  I know when I put on fresh new low head bushings, I see a lot of kingpin and sometimes think "Are these too low?" but at first, especially to break them in nicely, I have the kingpin nut just nicely on and then tighten down as needed once they start to get responsive.

Normal other aftermarket bushings, or even swapping in or out regular stock bushings also seem about the same, eg put them in, tighten kingpin nut down to pretty much on the kingpin around flush, then adjust as needed.


I guess everyone is different in that regard, but I think I find now I am used to getting the kingpin nuts down a little more, then taking some of the kingpin off if I need to, depending on what I am skating.  The ones from @swongolianbbq  above look pretty much where mine often end up, even  just taking off the front edge of the exposed kingpin is all that is needed, but usually for the look, I would take off the top, just to keep it even.


* I got a kingpin size rethreader too, just in case and it has come in handy, but I think also just taking off a little of the top thread to round it off a touch also helps, so the kingpin nut doesn't get stripped when it does come off, or especially before it goes back on.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3672 on: February 16, 2026, 09:53:59 PM »
It was a funny thing too, going back over different eras of stock bushings, which were also taller to start with, then lower tops on the Stage 11s, but still a more solid material, bright orange, often took a bit to break in and even then were a bit hit and miss.  Then when things went completely to China, the bushings changed again, a more translucent looking orange, very much feeling softer, but broke in way better and firmed up nicely for the most part.

I had all these same experiences for sure

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3673 on: February 17, 2026, 02:31:52 PM »
i skate the indy aftermarket orange conical bushings and for me, they solve any/every problem complained of in these bushing posts.  ive skated them in every midwest temp from -8 to 98degrees F, and they turn the same on day 1 to the final resting days of that particular truck.  ive used em on cast (reg and hollow) and on forged.   also use them on Venture (without the bottom washer) and they make em turn as much as you can get a Venture to turn (without the flop of the loose kit).  im even tempted to try em in T2s.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3674 on: February 17, 2026, 05:07:13 PM »
i skate the indy aftermarket orange conical bushings and for me, they solve any/every problem complained of in these bushing posts.  ive skated them in every midwest temp from -8 to 98degrees F, and they turn the same on day 1 to the final resting days of that particular truck.  ive used em on cast (reg and hollow) and on forged.   also use them on Venture (without the bottom washer) and they make em turn as much as you can get a Venture to turn (without the flop of the loose kit).  im even tempted to try em in T2s.

in conclusion— i like em, and you should too (or not or never)


Funny you say that as I have a set of those exact same Indy conical orange bushings that one guy set up and skated for one session and said they were too loose.

They were still brand new, felt like they hadn't even been used at all really, but had them on a board for a couple of sessions on my ramp this week and now feeling perfectly broken in, so am going to give them back to him to try again now and see if he likes them.

Right now he is borrowing a set of my used blue conicals, which I think he might stick with, as he prefers a slightly stiffer ride, but I can get what you are saying about them.  They just work so well, have the right amount of give, maybe a little loose for my liking if I had them on a board for everywhere, but I prefer more turn and ease on my mini ramp than elsewhere too.

Also interesting you say that about the different weather conditions, as I guess a lot more people in colder climates really struggle with bushings, so I think Indy aftermarket bushings in general do work well for almost all weather conditions.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3675 on: February 17, 2026, 11:08:15 PM »
I bought a set of Indy conical hard bushings and barrel hard bushings for my new trucks to try out, and the bottom conical bushing is taller than the barrel.  I wanted to try the conical set out of curiosity, but I'd have to reef on the kingpin nut so much to keep it on that the board felt unridable. 

I kinda figured they'd be the same dimensions but I guess not.

Currently I've got the hard barrel board side and stock orange road side and it feels pretty good for me at 210lbs.  Stable but still gets deep carves without wheelbite unless I try.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3676 on: February 18, 2026, 06:03:54 AM »
I bought a set of Indy conical hard bushings and barrel hard bushings for my new trucks to try out, and the bottom conical bushing is taller than the barrel.  I wanted to try the conical set out of curiosity, but I'd have to reef on the kingpin nut so much to keep it on that the board felt unridable. 

I kinda figured they'd be the same dimensions but I guess not.

Currently I've got the hard barrel board side and stock orange road side and it feels pretty good for me at 210lbs.  Stable but still gets deep carves without wheelbite unless I try.


A few other people had mentioned the black bushings were taller, both the cylinder and the conical bottoms, taller by maybe one mm than stock or other colour / duro options.

In general conical bottoms are maybe one mm taller as they do compress a lot more than cylinder bushings, but that is also maybe more so the red, orange and blue options, from what I have seen and used - got all three of those on boards.

One well used set of black ones was squashed down a mil and a half all up, so I don't know who rode them, for how long or anything else, as they were part of a used lot of product from ebay, so I never saw the seller, but that might be the only set of the black 94s I have ever seen squashed down so much.  All the other ones people have used have barely changed shape at all, including a couple of sets I had on the loan pool boards for people to try when they needed to really go for harder bushings, which were often tightened right down a lot too.


That mix of harder 94 bottom and regular / stock 90 top is not uncommon too - a few people I know often run that as their go to, maybe more so than the common / stock Ace options, which are the other way round, harder 91 top and softer 86 bottom.

Gear madness thread, so some people would never mix and match different colour bushings, but being able to try different options, to really figure out what works best, it is an easier way to do it, if you don't mind orange tops and black bottoms, or any other colour combinations.


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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3677 on: February 18, 2026, 10:34:46 AM »
Setup has been the same for 12 days, just been messing with bushings

I think since I skate 8.25 to 8.5 boards, the standard stage 11 144s, stock everything, is probably what I'm gonna stick to. I don't think I should have to go out and buy any replacement parts for a truck I just bought. I'd like to have a truck that I can skate out of the box and not give a shit about. Like on af1s I was replacing the axle nuts and running hard bushings, and my experiences with many sets of thunder 149ers breaking the pivot stem and blowing out bottom bushings even when running nut-flush. I liked all my sets of ventures but they definitely don't turn as much without modifications. I think Indy is the closest I can get to a bullshit-free scenario. I don't need riser pads, I don't need to swap any bushings or hardware.

I think I'm going to continue using my bones swiss with the shields popped off, and 54mm spitfire F4 classics. I could probably use whatever bearings and be fine though. I've just had these for so long and they're the only ones I never have any problems with, they're just the most durable/trustworthy imo.

I'm trying to just stop caring about it and go the entire summer on the same shit

So far I've figured out that pepper is probably the highest quality grip out right now. I have boards with mob, Jessup, and pepper that were all gripped within the last month. I hadn't used mob in forever and as soon as I put it on I was like wow this is crap

Definitely spoiled/sold on pepper grip

I think maybe part of why pros historically have popped their bearing caps was everyone was sponsored by random ass bearing companies but secretly using bones swiss

But it might come from the transition from cup-and-cone to cartridge in the 70s changing the sound and feel of the board, and wanting the auditory feedback/dry sound through the 80s and up until now, with a newer generation doing it in part because of a Mark Appleyard interview. Either way I think I'm still stuck on bones swiss with the shields off for the foreseeable future. It's a part of my setup that I haven't changed in almost 20 years.

 I've messed around with different wheels, I used to love pig and autobahn and only skated 53s, but I've been pretty much on 54mm F4s since they came out, dabbling in different shapes and sizes. May as well just stick to that

As far as bolts, they gotta be small-head 7/8" Allen. I don't even care anymore about the nut color and if they have an indicator bolt or whatever. I used to be obsessed with only all-black heads and silver nuts, but honestly whatever in-house shit like shake junt or thunder will be fine. I've actually started using a single indicator bolt on the nose again for the first time in years

BBS is my jam after trying a buncha different boards. My experiences with dsm and schmitt stix weren't good. Lots of delams, soggy tails, shit like that. I do love the Powell flight boards too. They work great for learning flip tricks so I don't snap my board doing weird new shit on flat. I had a couple DBX/basalt boards. I do not like those.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3678 on: February 19, 2026, 12:51:33 AM »
I bought those lurpivs and am waiting till I kill my current set of Indy’s. But it’s been raining a good bit and so they are staring at me, tempting me, practically begging to get set up. I’m planning on getting a baker 8.75 og logo to set it up on but I am just worried if I buy the deck rn that I won’t have the self control to not set it up and to just let my current setup kinda go to waste. Plus I haven’t had my board setup for a full month yet
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3679 on: February 19, 2026, 07:10:03 AM »
Currently on my third month with:

- DLX 8.5 x 14.25
- Venture 5.6 cast
- Pepper grip (regripped once)

Always Bones Swiss, bolts gotta be Allen, wheels don't give me madness, Pepper grip is the best.

As of now, madness free.

If I'd change anything (for experimental fun rather than suffering from madness), I could try Indy cast 144s with the same deck.

But I kinda like the idea of this combo being a keeper for a long-ass time.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3680 on: February 19, 2026, 09:35:44 AM »

Note how there's more of an angled-off, unthreaded area on the standard kingpins, vs. the hollows that are pretty square on the end and the threads go right up to the top


@swongolianbbq , holy shit dude. I think you just solved a problem for me. I switched to cast awhile ago after years on forged hollows. Last few months I've been having problems with kingpin nut almost coming off during sessions. Yes, part of this absolutely was worn kingpin nut, but I also ride the nut flush. A little less thread up there (on cast plate) was prolly contributing to this. I salute.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3681 on: February 19, 2026, 10:49:18 AM »
Usually the stock Indy bushings are pretty wiley right out the gate. I just put some brand new bushings that came off my 144s in, with the bones washer under the Indy washer and tightened to 1 full turn past flush/nylon completely engaged(I put a sharpie dot on the outside of the nut where the thread ends on the bottom so it makes incremental adjustment super easy and uniform between both trucks) and it's super good. I could see where without the hidden flat washer, to get to the same tightness there would be way more kingpin sticking out, and why Reynolds saws them off... But yeah they're not blowing out or anything skating flat in my garage, pretty hyped to be able to skate some stock Indy bushings straight out the box without my kingpin sticking out an embarrassing amount.




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Note how there's more of an angled-off, unthreaded area on the standard kingpins, vs. the hollows that are pretty square on the end and the threads go right up to the top

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@swongolianbbq , holy shit dude. I think you just solved a problem for me. I switched to cast awhile ago after years on forged hollows. Last few months I've been having problems with kingpin nut almost coming off during sessions. Yes, part of this absolutely was worn kingpin nut, but I also ride the nut flush. A little less thread up there (on cast plate) was prolly contributing to this. I salute.

Hell yeah

Yeah my kingpin definitely sticks out a bit more at the same tightness on standards than it does on hollows, just cause the threads stop further away from the end. I hadn't had standards in a while, and when I switched back and had actual new, un-fucked ones to look at, I noticed it

Currently on my third month with:

- DLX 8.5 x 14.25
- Venture 5.6 cast
- Pepper grip (regripped once)

Always Bones Swiss, bolts gotta be Allen, wheels don't give me madness, Pepper grip is the best.

As of now, madness free.

If I'd change anything (for experimental fun rather than suffering from madness), I could try Indy cast 144s with the same deck.

But I kinda like the idea of this combo being a keeper for a long-ass time.

Pepper is the best for real

Never thought I'd feel so strongly about grip hahah

Solid setup though. I remember reading someone's theory about the 5.6s feeling more like an 8.5 truck from another brand because of the wheelbase and weight distribution or something

Dlx 8.5 x 14.25 is the jam too
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3682 on: February 20, 2026, 01:22:00 AM »

Solid setup though. I remember reading someone's theory about the 5.6s feeling more like an 8.5 truck from another brand because of the wheelbase and weight distribution or something


Yeah there's definitely something there. My last swap was from Indy 149's to 5.6s and the latter feels not that much different. Whereas 5.8s feel kinda wide and clumsy for me. Haven't ridden Indy 144s in a long while, but from what I remember, they do feel narrower/flimsier than the 5.6.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3683 on: February 20, 2026, 03:08:45 AM »
My brain is fucking fried when it comes to what board to get next, I have been adding and deleting shit from my carts online for like a week.  I ONLY ( and I do mean this) skate curbs and Ollie’s. No flip in flip out shit. Pure unadulterated, minimalistic shit boarding for the dull minded. But I enjoy it of course. With that being said I run my gear into the ground, and I usually just skate creature and that has ran its course, any word on LIMO ? Maybe go heavy corpo with it and get a deathwish? Fuckin HOPPS??? Heroin?? I’m against egg shapes but at this point I am willing to do anything to get stoked on something. I’m running 149 Indy’s on a Milton 8.6 “stump” with some spitfire 54 mm full radials that are on their last fucking legs. Trying to completely revamp the entire kit yadig?
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3684 on: February 20, 2026, 05:18:09 AM »
My brain is fucking fried when it comes to what board to get next, I have been adding and deleting shit from my carts online for like a week.  I ONLY ( and I do mean this) skate curbs and Ollie’s. No flip in flip out shit. Pure unadulterated, minimalistic shit boarding for the dull minded. But I enjoy it of course. With that being said I run my gear into the ground, and I usually just skate creature and that has ran its course, any word on LIMO ? Maybe go heavy corpo with it and get a deathwish? Fuckin HOPPS??? Heroin?? I’m against egg shapes but at this point I am willing to do anything to get stoked on something. I’m running 149 Indy’s on a Milton 8.6 “stump” with some spitfire 54 mm full radials that are on their last fucking legs. Trying to completely revamp the entire kit yadig?
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3685 on: February 20, 2026, 10:13:47 AM »
Do you guys think that shoe size plays a role in how your board is setup? I feel like this is the root of my madness.

I have a really small shoe size compared to others (6.5M US), I usually see shoes this size categorized as either a womens or kids size.

I noticed that skating anything 8.25 and up can bother me, it just feels like theres just "too much board" to work with. It sucks because usually people would consider that small, especially for my usual terrain of curbs and transition

Im currently skating a Polar 1991 Jr deck, but when Im done with it im seriously considering staying at a range of 8 to 8.1 despite the norm for transition setups to be 8.5 and up. Any thoughts? im getting desperate to end the madness.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3686 on: February 20, 2026, 11:00:34 AM »
Do you guys think that shoe size plays a role in how your board is setup? I feel like this is the root of my madness.

I have a really small shoe size compared to others (6.5M US), I usually see shoes this size categorized as either a womens or kids size.

I noticed that skating anything 8.25 and up can bother me, it just feels like theres just "too much board" to work with. It sucks because usually people would consider that small, especially for my usual terrain of curbs and transition

Im currently skating a Polar 1991 Jr deck, but when Im done with it im seriously considering staying at a range of 8 to 8.1 despite the norm for transition setups to be 8.5 and up. Any thoughts? im getting desperate to end the madness.

If it feels weird, it feels weird. Try some 8 to 8.125 boards

As long as your wheels aren't super wide you can use 8.25 axle trucks on an 8 for stability. Or if you don't mind your wheels sticking out a bit, go for it. Wheels to look out for that would stick out: classic full 56mm, radial 58mm, any size radial full, classic 60mm. But honestly using anything bigger than 57mm on 8.25" trucks would probably feel too tall/tippy

And if you want to try 8.25s again, get a short wheelbase one and see if that was contributing to the weird feeling, there might be some 8.25s you like.

The general ATV/transition+street setup seems to usually be an 8.5 board, 8.5 trucks, 56mm wheels

You could definitely get away with an 8" board on 8.25 trucks for the same use case, if it feels okay to you. Brandon Westgate does crazy shit on a 7.86" board. And if you don't care if your wheels stick out, I've seen a bowl skater with an 8" board on 8.5" trucks. On the other hand, I know people that wear a mens size 4 and skate 8.25s

8.25 is like right in the middle of board sizes, you can kinda do whatever you want with them, but if it feels weird definitely try something smaller but I'd recommend staying with at least 8.25 trucks so bigger wheels won't look crazy and you can go back to 8.25 boards later if you find one you like
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3687 on: February 20, 2026, 11:21:35 AM »
Do you guys think that shoe size plays a role in how your board is setup? I feel like this is the root of my madness.

I have a really small shoe size compared to others (6.5M US), I usually see shoes this size categorized as either a womens or kids size.

I noticed that skating anything 8.25 and up can bother me, it just feels like theres just "too much board" to work with. It sucks because usually people would consider that small, especially for my usual terrain of curbs and transition

Im currently skating a Polar 1991 Jr deck, but when Im done with it im seriously considering staying at a range of 8 to 8.1 despite the norm for transition setups to be 8.5 and up. Any thoughts? im getting desperate to end the madness.

Think about it this way: The average, "normal" shoe size for men in the U.S. about 10. If that is what most people consider "nromal," does that mean you should be using a size 10 shoe? Why would (relative) skateboard size be any different? Use what works / feel right FOR YOU, not what is considered normal or average.
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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3688 on: February 20, 2026, 11:56:11 AM »


Pretty sure this dude has like a size 6 shoe and rides 10” boards. It’s all what’s comfortable to you, there’s no magic formula.

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Re: Gear madness support thread
« Reply #3689 on: February 20, 2026, 01:20:48 PM »
Do you guys think that shoe size plays a role in how your board is setup? I feel like this is the root of my madness.

I have a really small shoe size compared to others (6.5M US), I usually see shoes this size categorized as either a womens or kids size.

I noticed that skating anything 8.25 and up can bother me, it just feels like theres just "too much board" to work with. It sucks because usually people would consider that small, especially for my usual terrain of curbs and transition

Im currently skating a Polar 1991 Jr deck, but when Im done with it im seriously considering staying at a range of 8 to 8.1 despite the norm for transition setups to be 8.5 and up. Any thoughts? im getting desperate to end the madness.

in my opinion yes shoe size plays a big role. Shoe size should generally correspond to width, inseam/height to wheel base. Now if you were for example something unusual like 6'4 and size 6 shoes, then it'd be a bit of a pickle. If you could find it, i would recommend in that case like an 8" wide deck and a 33 length 15" wheelbase, if you could find it. It would be difficult so you might have to compromise in that situation.