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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44400 on: March 23, 2022, 11:06:04 AM »
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Can we confirm that OG kostons didn’t actually look like that tho? From the IG comparisons they look pretty close to the OG.

I recently came across some emerica templeton 1s and they were certainly more “baked potato” than I remember them being …
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heres a direct comparison from IG, top shot on third slide



In the third photo you can clearly see that the OG’s are laces tighter than the reissue .

I agree from these photos that it looks strangely shaped and that’s how they came out the box , but once you tighten those laces and the tongue starts to form around your foot , it definitely doesn’t look like that. I’ve only worn my pair once but I noticed right away how much better they looked once the laces were tightened and the shoe was shaped to your foot .

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44401 on: March 23, 2022, 11:12:58 AM »
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oddly enough these interest me and I am not a fan of adidas or blondy especially.
They look like the sole a special buznitz model was on a few yeas ago, I think an adidas handball or spezial reference for the skate line?
Is this a whole new upper model or a reference of another adidas shoe?
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Blondey provides the full explanation of which models are blended together for this, in the caption
Found this ebay seller that has a full size run of the new Blondey Gazelles for an absurd markup.  Also these ones appear to have a different outsole than the samples Blondey posted.  Supposedly being released this weekend at the Thames warehouse/storefront location in London


https://www.ebay.com/itm/175128259731?chn=ps&var=474316850199&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-222657-2056-0&mkcid=2&itemid=474316850199_175128259731&targetid=1317598957567&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=1025197&poi=&campaignid=13660840256&mkgroupid=127745063727&rlsatarget=pla-1317598957567&abcId=9300599&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjwiuuRBhBvEiwAFXKaNDUq7U0sg6y4AWMmO0E4NtswdSE0U88l-SiVDF10gnjcoi8_BSqv2hoC9MQQAvD_BwE

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44402 on: March 23, 2022, 12:23:36 PM »
I think a lot of things contribute to the difference in shape from the OG Koston 1 to this new 197… one of them is that most likely they are using a different last for this re-issue. Since they are using the tooling (outsole + midsole) of the Quattro they need to stick to the same last used on that shoe (so the upper fits the midsole) and that can change quite a lot the general shape. Also the wider collar shape might be due to the foam used of the original being softer… I’ve noticed that vintage shoes use softer foams than current footwear. A stiffer foam in such a puffy collar will push the collar open, making the top of the eyestay wider and you get that “V” shape down the laces, compared to a more parallel “| |”shape from the OG. I think that’s what made the 197 have that “cone” shape.

With all those things considered, and my fair share of experience in this topic I think they did a decent job. It would never be perfect from the get go.
But I really wish they went the extra length and made it with the OG tooling… so close yet so far.  :(

Guy that posted the photo confirmed that the shoe is puffier than the og with a thinner tounge.
Doing a decent job on the most requested reissue is bad tbh. Imagine nike releasing the first reissue of the jordan 1 and swapping the sole for something that vaguely looks like it with handball shoe ridges and changing the overall shape...
As bad as the new axion is, their Mariano reissue is on point so it's definitely doable.



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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44403 on: March 23, 2022, 12:31:36 PM »

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44404 on: March 23, 2022, 01:10:55 PM »


Looks normal.  Thin laces and the previous angles weren’t helping its cause

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44405 on: March 23, 2022, 01:16:06 PM »

Suprised how much i like these. Maybe i'm not vulc for life

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44406 on: March 23, 2022, 01:25:40 PM »
Can we confirm that OG kostons didn’t actually look like that tho?

I can confirm because I had tons of them and definitely wouldn't have worn them if that was the shape.

Since they are using the tooling (outsole + midsole) of the Quattro they need to stick to the same last used on that shoe

Yeah I was thinking from the top it looks like a nasty Scheme or something like that.

People can give nÜ-Axion all the shit they want, but they knocked the Guy re-issue out of the fucking park.   Fits/looks like a modern shoe with the merest of tweaks from the original.

I've said that before and think about how sad that is that the most pathetic relaunch is blowing away all the other "legacy" brands in terms of making good reissues.

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44407 on: March 23, 2022, 01:45:14 PM »
I think a lot of things contribute to the difference in shape from the OG Koston 1 to this new 197… one of them is that most likely they are using a different last for this re-issue. Since they are using the tooling (outsole + midsole) of the Quattro they need to stick to the same last used on that shoe (so the upper fits the midsole) and that can change quite a lot the general shape. Also the wider collar shape might be due to the foam used of the original being softer… I’ve noticed that vintage shoes use softer foams than current footwear. A stiffer foam in such a puffy collar will push the collar open, making the top of the eyestay wider and you get that “V” shape down the laces, compared to a more parallel “| |”shape from the OG. I think that’s what made the 197 have that “cone” shape.

With all those things considered, and my fair share of experience in this topic I think they did a decent job. It would never be perfect from the get go.
But I really wish they went the extra length and made it with the OG tooling… so close yet so far.  :(
I love to read your insights on shoe design, keep it up. Also, not my cup of tea, but i liked the adidas shoe you designed, i get the appeal.

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44408 on: March 23, 2022, 01:57:56 PM »
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Looks normal.  Thin laces and the previous angles weren’t helping its cause

Yeah I’d say shape is normal . The crease is wack for sure though. It’s more pronounced in one shoe than the other and they did come like that. They also came with laces way too long , hence my abomination of a double lace knot .

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44409 on: March 23, 2022, 02:21:32 PM »
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I think a lot of things contribute to the difference in shape from the OG Koston 1 to this new 197… one of them is that most likely they are using a different last for this re-issue. Since they are using the tooling (outsole + midsole) of the Quattro they need to stick to the same last used on that shoe (so the upper fits the midsole) and that can change quite a lot the general shape. Also the wider collar shape might be due to the foam used of the original being softer… I’ve noticed that vintage shoes use softer foams than current footwear. A stiffer foam in such a puffy collar will push the collar open, making the top of the eyestay wider and you get that “V” shape down the laces, compared to a more parallel “| |”shape from the OG. I think that’s what made the 197 have that “cone” shape.

With all those things considered, and my fair share of experience in this topic I think they did a decent job. It would never be perfect from the get go.
But I really wish they went the extra length and made it with the OG tooling… so close yet so far.  :(
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Guy that posted the photo confirmed that the shoe is puffier than the og with a thinner tounge.
Doing a decent job on the most requested reissue is bad tbh. Imagine nike releasing the first reissue of the jordan 1 and swapping the sole for something that vaguely looks like it with handball shoe ridges and changing the overall shape...
As bad as the new axion is, their Mariano reissue is on point so it's definitely doable.

That’s what I said… I’m a purist, and pains me to see an half assed job. It looks alright, but since someone made the call to not open the OG tooling the thing was doomed from the get go. The person that had to recreate the upper did a decent job tho (apart from a few details here and there that my eagle eye see).
I think éS probably thought using a “similar” tooling would do the job (plus saving some bucks) and no one would care… but in this case it was a huge miss this being one of the most iconic shoes in their catalogue. Idk what they were thinking.  :-\
But I’m also not surprised. I have my fair share of experience at a corporate environment so I know how many dumb opinions and decisions get thrown at you that you have no say on, it can be really frustrating…

Also IMO, the new Axion Genesis is far from a perfect reissue. It’s a good shape and fits more the current day standards (sleeker, longer toe) but the OG was much bulkier/stubbier and they didn’t even make the toebox in rubber. So imho it’s not a 1:1 remake, but looks good, and it’s maybe more relevant as a modern skate shoe.

DC in my opinion is the best at the moment in the reissue game.

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44410 on: March 23, 2022, 02:23:46 PM »
I love to read your insights on shoe design, keep it up. Also, not my cup of tea, but i liked the adidas shoe you designed, i get the appeal.

Obrigado mano! Abraço pro Braza!  ;)

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44411 on: March 23, 2022, 03:26:46 PM »
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Looks normal.  Thin laces and the previous angles weren’t helping its cause
I should have probably mentioned I'm a size 14, so the weird shape might be especially pronounced with bigger sizes. Here's a foot-shaped Tiago for comparison.


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« Reply #44412 on: March 23, 2022, 03:52:41 PM »
Can't remember who brought that up but és made a full replica of the tribo in 2019, a shoe nobody asked for, but can't do it for the most requested model... Doesn't make any sense.

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44413 on: March 23, 2022, 03:56:54 PM »
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I think a lot of things contribute to the difference in shape from the OG Koston 1 to this new 197… one of them is that most likely they are using a different last for this re-issue. Since they are using the tooling (outsole + midsole) of the Quattro they need to stick to the same last used on that shoe (so the upper fits the midsole) and that can change quite a lot the general shape. Also the wider collar shape might be due to the foam used of the original being softer… I’ve noticed that vintage shoes use softer foams than current footwear. A stiffer foam in such a puffy collar will push the collar open, making the top of the eyestay wider and you get that “V” shape down the laces, compared to a more parallel “| |”shape from the OG. I think that’s what made the 197 have that “cone” shape.

With all those things considered, and my fair share of experience in this topic I think they did a decent job. It would never be perfect from the get go.
But I really wish they went the extra length and made it with the OG tooling… so close yet so far.  :(
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Guy that posted the photo confirmed that the shoe is puffier than the og with a thinner tounge.
Doing a decent job on the most requested reissue is bad tbh. Imagine nike releasing the first reissue of the jordan 1 and swapping the sole for something that vaguely looks like it with handball shoe ridges and changing the overall shape...
As bad as the new axion is, their Mariano reissue is on point so it's definitely doable.
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That’s what I said… I’m a purist, and pains me to see an half assed job. It looks alright, but since someone made the call to not open the OG tooling the thing was doomed from the get go. The person that had to recreate the upper did a decent job tho (apart from a few details here and there that my eagle eye see).
I think éS probably thought using a “similar” tooling would do the job (plus saving some bucks) and no one would care… but in this case it was a huge miss this being one of the most iconic shoes in their catalogue. Idk what they were thinking.  :-\
But I’m also not surprised. I have my fair share of experience at a corporate environment so I know how many dumb opinions and decisions get thrown at you that you have no say on, it can be really frustrating…

Also IMO, the new Axion Genesis is far from a perfect reissue. It’s a good shape and fits more the current day standards (sleeker, longer toe) but the OG was much bulkier/stubbier and they didn’t even make the toebox in rubber. So imho it’s not a 1:1 remake, but looks good, and it’s maybe more relevant as a modern skate shoe.

DC in my opinion is the best at the moment in the reissue game.


Yup, but it’s because the sabotage crew kept DC honest about the lynx


The Genesis scratches the itch I had for the shoe I could never have and frankly I’m happy about the toe cap not being rubber.   If they ever remade the Sheep Ed shoe, I wouldn’t want that rubber toe cap either (Ed Emerica shoe maybe not there either)

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44415 on: March 23, 2022, 04:53:23 PM »
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I think a lot of things contribute to the difference in shape from the OG Koston 1 to this new 197… one of them is that most likely they are using a different last for this re-issue. Since they are using the tooling (outsole + midsole) of the Quattro they need to stick to the same last used on that shoe (so the upper fits the midsole) and that can change quite a lot the general shape. Also the wider collar shape might be due to the foam used of the original being softer… I’ve noticed that vintage shoes use softer foams than current footwear. A stiffer foam in such a puffy collar will push the collar open, making the top of the eyestay wider and you get that “V” shape down the laces, compared to a more parallel “| |”shape from the OG. I think that’s what made the 197 have that “cone” shape.

With all those things considered, and my fair share of experience in this topic I think they did a decent job. It would never be perfect from the get go.
But I really wish they went the extra length and made it with the OG tooling… so close yet so far.  :(
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Guy that posted the photo confirmed that the shoe is puffier than the og with a thinner tounge.
Doing a decent job on the most requested reissue is bad tbh. Imagine nike releasing the first reissue of the jordan 1 and swapping the sole for something that vaguely looks like it with handball shoe ridges and changing the overall shape...
As bad as the new axion is, their Mariano reissue is on point so it's definitely doable.
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That’s what I said… I’m a purist, and pains me to see an half assed job. It looks alright, but since someone made the call to not open the OG tooling the thing was doomed from the get go. The person that had to recreate the upper did a decent job tho (apart from a few details here and there that my eagle eye see).
I think éS probably thought using a “similar” tooling would do the job (plus saving some bucks) and no one would care… but in this case it was a huge miss this being one of the most iconic shoes in their catalogue. Idk what they were thinking.  :-\
But I’m also not surprised. I have my fair share of experience at a corporate environment so I know how many dumb opinions and decisions get thrown at you that you have no say on, it can be really frustrating…

Also IMO, the new Axion Genesis is far from a perfect reissue. It’s a good shape and fits more the current day standards (sleeker, longer toe) but the OG was much bulkier/stubbier and they didn’t even make the toebox in rubber. So imho it’s not a 1:1 remake, but looks good, and it’s maybe more relevant as a modern skate shoe.

DC in my opinion is the best at the moment in the reissue game.


This is why I trip so hard on eS. It seems almost like a deliberate attempt to just make as many wrong decisions as they possibly can.


I’m not DC’s target demographic but it seems like their reissues are at least mostly faithful, plus they still have people around who were actually there in the era they’re celebrating.

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44416 on: March 23, 2022, 07:44:51 PM »
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oddly enough these interest me and I am not a fan of adidas or blondy especially.
They look like the sole a special buznitz model was on a few yeas ago, I think an adidas handball or spezial reference for the skate line?
Is this a whole new upper model or a reference of another adidas shoe?
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Blondey provides the full explanation of which models are blended together for this, in the caption
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Found this ebay seller that has a full size run of the new Blondey Gazelles for an absurd markup.  Also these ones appear to have a different outsole than the samples Blondey posted.  Supposedly being released this weekend at the Thames warehouse/storefront location in London


https://www.ebay.com/itm/175128259731?chn=ps&var=474316850199&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-222657-2056-0&mkcid=2&itemid=474316850199_175128259731&targetid=1317598957567&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=1025197&poi=&campaignid=13660840256&mkgroupid=127745063727&rlsatarget=pla-1317598957567&abcId=9300599&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjwiuuRBhBvEiwAFXKaNDUq7U0sg6y4AWMmO0E4NtswdSE0U88l-SiVDF10gnjcoi8_BSqv2hoC9MQQAvD_BwE

lol those soles look like they were taken off of the much much cheaper sobakov p94's

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44417 on: March 23, 2022, 08:13:13 PM »
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oddly enough these interest me and I am not a fan of adidas or blondy especially.
They look like the sole a special buznitz model was on a few yeas ago, I think an adidas handball or spezial reference for the skate line?
Is this a whole new upper model or a reference of another adidas shoe?
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Blondey provides the full explanation of which models are blended together for this, in the caption
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Found this ebay seller that has a full size run of the new Blondey Gazelles for an absurd markup.  Also these ones appear to have a different outsole than the samples Blondey posted.  Supposedly being released this weekend at the Thames warehouse/storefront location in London


https://www.ebay.com/itm/175128259731?chn=ps&var=474316850199&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-222657-2056-0&mkcid=2&itemid=474316850199_175128259731&targetid=1317598957567&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=1025197&poi=&campaignid=13660840256&mkgroupid=127745063727&rlsatarget=pla-1317598957567&abcId=9300599&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjwiuuRBhBvEiwAFXKaNDUq7U0sg6y4AWMmO0E4NtswdSE0U88l-SiVDF10gnjcoi8_BSqv2hoC9MQQAvD_BwE
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lol those soles look like they were taken off of the much much cheaper sobakov p94's

It's somehow their budget sole but also their high end skate sole. It's also on the palace pro and gonz aloha while being used on a bunch of real cheap team models

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« Reply #44418 on: March 23, 2022, 08:40:33 PM »
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oddly enough these interest me and I am not a fan of adidas or blondy especially.
They look like the sole a special buznitz model was on a few yeas ago, I think an adidas handball or spezial reference for the skate line?
Is this a whole new upper model or a reference of another adidas shoe?
[close]
Blondey provides the full explanation of which models are blended together for this, in the caption
[close]
Found this ebay seller that has a full size run of the new Blondey Gazelles for an absurd markup.  Also these ones appear to have a different outsole than the samples Blondey posted.  Supposedly being released this weekend at the Thames warehouse/storefront location in London


https://www.ebay.com/itm/175128259731?chn=ps&var=474316850199&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-222657-2056-0&mkcid=2&itemid=474316850199_175128259731&targetid=1317598957567&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=1025197&poi=&campaignid=13660840256&mkgroupid=127745063727&rlsatarget=pla-1317598957567&abcId=9300599&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjwiuuRBhBvEiwAFXKaNDUq7U0sg6y4AWMmO0E4NtswdSE0U88l-SiVDF10gnjcoi8_BSqv2hoC9MQQAvD_BwE
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lol those soles look like they were taken off of the much much cheaper sobakov p94's

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It's somehow their budget sole but also their high end skate sole. It's also on the palace pro and gonz aloha while being used on a bunch of real cheap team models

damn they really do get some mileage out of those then, but bigger question - does a blondey exist with them, because otherwise the ebay ones might be blawndey's if you get what i mean

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44419 on: March 24, 2022, 12:23:45 AM »
That sole originates from the Gazelle Indoor.

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44420 on: March 24, 2022, 07:10:26 AM »
That sole originates from the Gazelle Indoor.

that's cool, but i guess i'll be more clear with my point - is that ebay dude selling knock offs

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44421 on: March 24, 2022, 07:27:59 AM »
Nothing to do with anything here, but last summer I saw a dude in full Greco Baker 2G punk gear sporting those clear Blodneys trying to do a noseslide on the loading dock behind my apartment. I still think about that often.

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44422 on: March 24, 2022, 07:34:58 AM »
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that's cool, but i guess i'll be more clear with my point - is that ebay dude selling knock offs
I doubt it. They're supposed to be releasing this weekend so he probably just got his shipment a little early.  Seems like a very specific shoe to knock off...kinda like counterfeiting one dollar bills...not really worth the investment

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« Reply #44423 on: March 24, 2022, 07:58:45 AM »
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That sole originates from the Gazelle Indoor.
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that's cool, but i guess i'll be more clear with my point - is that ebay dude selling knock offs
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I doubt it. They're supposed to be releasing this weekend so he probably just got his shipment a little early.  Seems like a very specific shoe to knock off...kinda like counterfeiting one dollar bills...not really worth the investment

nice thanks  8), couldn't manage to track down a shot of the shoe with that sole

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44424 on: March 24, 2022, 08:34:12 AM »
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That sole originates from the Gazelle Indoor.
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that's cool, but i guess i'll be more clear with my point - is that ebay dude selling knock offs
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I doubt it. They're supposed to be releasing this weekend so he probably just got his shipment a little early.  Seems like a very specific shoe to knock off...kinda like counterfeiting one dollar bills...not really worth the investment

It's not fake, but it's not the one that's going to be released.
That version of the Blondey with the Gazelle Indoor tooling was dropped but somehow ended up in the Adidas Outlets (someone messed up I guess).  The one actually coming out uses the Indoor Super outsole instead:


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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44425 on: March 24, 2022, 09:26:27 AM »
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That sole originates from the Gazelle Indoor.
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that's cool, but i guess i'll be more clear with my point - is that ebay dude selling knock offs
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I doubt it. They're supposed to be releasing this weekend so he probably just got his shipment a little early.  Seems like a very specific shoe to knock off...kinda like counterfeiting one dollar bills...not really worth the investment
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It's not fake, but it's not the one that's going to be released.
That version of the Blondey with the Gazelle Indoor tooling was dropped but somehow ended up in the Adidas Outlets (someone messed up I guess).  The one actually coming out uses the Indoor Super outsole instead:


Same as the Busenitz indoor? Are they gonna start using that sole more in the skateboarding line up?

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44426 on: March 24, 2022, 11:23:08 AM »
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I think a lot of things contribute to the difference in shape from the OG Koston 1 to this new 197… one of them is that most likely they are using a different last for this re-issue. Since they are using the tooling (outsole + midsole) of the Quattro they need to stick to the same last used on that shoe (so the upper fits the midsole) and that can change quite a lot the general shape. Also the wider collar shape might be due to the foam used of the original being softer… I’ve noticed that vintage shoes use softer foams than current footwear. A stiffer foam in such a puffy collar will push the collar open, making the top of the eyestay wider and you get that “V” shape down the laces, compared to a more parallel “| |”shape from the OG. I think that’s what made the 197 have that “cone” shape.

With all those things considered, and my fair share of experience in this topic I think they did a decent job. It would never be perfect from the get go.
But I really wish they went the extra length and made it with the OG tooling… so close yet so far.  :(
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Guy that posted the photo confirmed that the shoe is puffier than the og with a thinner tounge.
Doing a decent job on the most requested reissue is bad tbh. Imagine nike releasing the first reissue of the jordan 1 and swapping the sole for something that vaguely looks like it with handball shoe ridges and changing the overall shape...
As bad as the new axion is, their Mariano reissue is on point so it's definitely doable.
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That’s what I said… I’m a purist, and pains me to see an half assed job. It looks alright, but since someone made the call to not open the OG tooling the thing was doomed from the get go. The person that had to recreate the upper did a decent job tho (apart from a few details here and there that my eagle eye see).
I think éS probably thought using a “similar” tooling would do the job (plus saving some bucks) and no one would care… but in this case it was a huge miss this being one of the most iconic shoes in their catalogue. Idk what they were thinking.  :-\
But I’m also not surprised. I have my fair share of experience at a corporate environment so I know how many dumb opinions and decisions get thrown at you that you have no say on, it can be really frustrating…

Also IMO, the new Axion Genesis is far from a perfect reissue. It’s a good shape and fits more the current day standards (sleeker, longer toe) but the OG was much bulkier/stubbier and they didn’t even make the toebox in rubber. So imho it’s not a 1:1 remake, but looks good, and it’s maybe more relevant as a modern skate shoe.

DC in my opinion is the best at the moment in the reissue game.

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Yup, but it’s because the sabotage crew kept DC honest about the lynx


The Genesis scratches the itch I had for the shoe I could never have and frankly I’m happy about the toe cap not being rubber.   If they ever remade the Sheep Ed shoe, I wouldn’t want that rubber toe cap either (Ed Emerica shoe maybe not there either)

Also, with how big of a company DC is and how far their reach goes to keep consistent profits coming in, im sure they would have the money to invest into making an exact replica of the Lynx compared to the first "reissue" of the lynx with only deco-stitching that seemed to be a hit with some team riders...but the public wasnt buying it.

That's what Es doesnt have, yes they had start up funds at the beginning and were playing it safe with the 3 shoes per colorway pack to get people hyped, but with how divided people are on their current state of their shoe line up, if they were going to bring something back the community was asking for, instead of investing the money to go 3/4 the effort toward the reissue and flop it, to spend enough to actually make a replica and make it right would both help with profits and show they're capable of doing reissues properly, something many companies are missing the mark on. either way it's spending money but to maybe spend a little more and do it right would at least give the shoe a chance compared to spending to put in "most" of the effort and piss off those that actually know what the shoe is while the general public couldnt be interested in it like the fans are.

just my opinion.

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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44427 on: March 24, 2022, 11:20:22 PM »
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I think a lot of things contribute to the difference in shape from the OG Koston 1 to this new 197… one of them is that most likely they are using a different last for this re-issue. Since they are using the tooling (outsole + midsole) of the Quattro they need to stick to the same last used on that shoe (so the upper fits the midsole) and that can change quite a lot the general shape. Also the wider collar shape might be due to the foam used of the original being softer… I’ve noticed that vintage shoes use softer foams than current footwear. A stiffer foam in such a puffy collar will push the collar open, making the top of the eyestay wider and you get that “V” shape down the laces, compared to a more parallel “| |”shape from the OG. I think that’s what made the 197 have that “cone” shape.

With all those things considered, and my fair share of experience in this topic I think they did a decent job. It would never be perfect from the get go.
But I really wish they went the extra length and made it with the OG tooling… so close yet so far.  :(
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Guy that posted the photo confirmed that the shoe is puffier than the og with a thinner tounge.
Doing a decent job on the most requested reissue is bad tbh. Imagine nike releasing the first reissue of the jordan 1 and swapping the sole for something that vaguely looks like it with handball shoe ridges and changing the overall shape...
As bad as the new axion is, their Mariano reissue is on point so it's definitely doable.
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That’s what I said… I’m a purist, and pains me to see an half assed job. It looks alright, but since someone made the call to not open the OG tooling the thing was doomed from the get go. The person that had to recreate the upper did a decent job tho (apart from a few details here and there that my eagle eye see).
I think éS probably thought using a “similar” tooling would do the job (plus saving some bucks) and no one would care… but in this case it was a huge miss this being one of the most iconic shoes in their catalogue. Idk what they were thinking.  :-\
But I’m also not surprised. I have my fair share of experience at a corporate environment so I know how many dumb opinions and decisions get thrown at you that you have no say on, it can be really frustrating…

Also IMO, the new Axion Genesis is far from a perfect reissue. It’s a good shape and fits more the current day standards (sleeker, longer toe) but the OG was much bulkier/stubbier and they didn’t even make the toebox in rubber. So imho it’s not a 1:1 remake, but looks good, and it’s maybe more relevant as a modern skate shoe.

DC in my opinion is the best at the moment in the reissue game.

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Yup, but it’s because the sabotage crew kept DC honest about the lynx


The Genesis scratches the itch I had for the shoe I could never have and frankly I’m happy about the toe cap not being rubber.   If they ever remade the Sheep Ed shoe, I wouldn’t want that rubber toe cap either (Ed Emerica shoe maybe not there either)
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Also, with how big of a company DC is and how far their reach goes to keep consistent profits coming in, im sure they would have the money to invest into making an exact replica of the Lynx compared to the first "reissue" of the lynx with only deco-stitching that seemed to be a hit with some team riders...but the public wasnt buying it.

That's what Es doesnt have, yes they had start up funds at the beginning and were playing it safe with the 3 shoes per colorway pack to get people hyped, but with how divided people are on their current state of their shoe line up, if they were going to bring something back the community was asking for, instead of investing the money to go 3/4 the effort toward the reissue and flop it, to spend enough to actually make a replica and make it right would both help with profits and show they're capable of doing reissues properly, something many companies are missing the mark on. either way it's spending money but to maybe spend a little more and do it right would at least give the shoe a chance compared to spending to put in "most" of the effort and piss off those that actually know what the shoe is while the general public couldnt be interested in it like the fans are.

just my opinion.

I just want square ones back. It’s so easy. I think I’ve gotten some head way in harassing Don and Kelly with the logic that why have the og accel and slim and not the vulc accel. But they also Made a dumbass trainer on a vibram sole so I don’t have high hopes for my square ones to ever come back .
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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44428 on: March 25, 2022, 12:22:46 AM »
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Re: Post UPCOMING/RECENT shoe releases thread
« Reply #44429 on: March 25, 2022, 12:36:13 AM »
Dam recon he actually wears that hoody around? Shoes look alright tho.