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Quote from: Ok on May 22, 2020, 07:04:08 AMExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not. I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower. I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]I'll be bummed if we lose the 52mm 8.38 truck from ACE.
Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not. I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower. I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]
I think the goal is to keep them the same height. The pair pictured above were a tad higher as the baseplate was thicker but the word is the plan was to thin it out.
Maaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not. I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower. I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.
Quote from: Ok on May 22, 2020, 07:04:08 AMExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not. I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower. I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?
Quote from: babywantsbluevelvet on May 22, 2020, 11:58:50 AMExpand QuoteQuote from: Ok on May 22, 2020, 07:04:08 AMExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not. I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower. I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?[close]My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sure
Quote from: Ok on May 22, 2020, 07:04:08 AMExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not. I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower. I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?[close]
Quote from: velvethammer on May 22, 2020, 12:26:28 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: babywantsbluevelvet on May 22, 2020, 11:58:50 AMExpand QuoteQuote from: Ok on May 22, 2020, 07:04:08 AMExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not. I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower. I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?[close]My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sure[close]I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.
Quote from: babywantsbluevelvet on May 22, 2020, 11:58:50 AMExpand QuoteQuote from: Ok on May 22, 2020, 07:04:08 AMExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not. I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower. I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?[close]My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sure[close]
Lil' Wayne is more core than Jaden Smith.
Damn. Chico of Chocolate now Pyramids of Giza. What the hell is going on?
shoulda stayed quirky and added a 8.625 axle to the lineup
Quote from: babywantsbluevelvet on May 22, 2020, 12:39:53 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: velvethammer on May 22, 2020, 12:26:28 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: babywantsbluevelvet on May 22, 2020, 11:58:50 AMExpand QuoteQuote from: Ok on May 22, 2020, 07:04:08 AMExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not. I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower. I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?[close]My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sure[close]I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.[close]Manufacturing is only half the equation in this hypothetical. High Speed owns Ermico and DLX, everything is in house. If Ace were manufactured at Ermico and added to DLX distribution you'd see prices in line with Venture/Thunder. But that's a lot of unlikely if's. Although if it did happen DLX would have the truck market absolutely cornered.
Quote from: velvethammer on May 22, 2020, 12:26:28 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: babywantsbluevelvet on May 22, 2020, 11:58:50 AMExpand QuoteQuote from: Ok on May 22, 2020, 07:04:08 AMExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not. I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower. I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?[close]My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sure[close]I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.[close]
I’d probably only buy ace if they were made by dlx/ermico.
Quote from: Nom De Plume on May 16, 2020, 03:17:41 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: backinaction on May 16, 2020, 02:42:09 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Nom De Plume on May 16, 2020, 02:21:19 PMExpand QuoteSet up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer. Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems. Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.[close]Please post the reply up here.I had the same thing happen with my 66s and I just swapped for a different brand bushing. I'm probably going to pick up some 44s when they get restocked at my local and it would be nice to know the 'official' fix.[close]Will do man.What bushings you use and how was it? I got some old Bones mediums but my other Aces turn great stock so I don't want to mess with it if I don't have to. Plus I'm trying to stave off advanced stage gear madness and this is how it starts. One day you're changing bushings and next thing you know you're buying washers at the hardware store and swapping hangers around. Then you're neglecting your loved ones, lose your job, and out on the streets. It's a slippery slope.[close]Currently on Mini Logo medium. They are 94, and would be a bit hard on 44s - but the extra leverage of the 66s makes them doable. I was craving a bit softer today. I have probably 8 other sets of bushings I could try in them, but am trying to avoid the madness and just skate them.
Quote from: backinaction on May 16, 2020, 02:42:09 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Nom De Plume on May 16, 2020, 02:21:19 PMExpand QuoteSet up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer. Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems. Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.[close]Please post the reply up here.I had the same thing happen with my 66s and I just swapped for a different brand bushing. I'm probably going to pick up some 44s when they get restocked at my local and it would be nice to know the 'official' fix.[close]Will do man.What bushings you use and how was it? I got some old Bones mediums but my other Aces turn great stock so I don't want to mess with it if I don't have to. Plus I'm trying to stave off advanced stage gear madness and this is how it starts. One day you're changing bushings and next thing you know you're buying washers at the hardware store and swapping hangers around. Then you're neglecting your loved ones, lose your job, and out on the streets. It's a slippery slope.[close]
Quote from: Nom De Plume on May 16, 2020, 02:21:19 PMExpand QuoteSet up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer. Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems. Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.[close]Please post the reply up here.I had the same thing happen with my 66s and I just swapped for a different brand bushing. I'm probably going to pick up some 44s when they get restocked at my local and it would be nice to know the 'official' fix.[close]
Set up new 44s today and they did the bushing mush. Landed heavy toes on a front shuv, got pitched on some nasty wheel bite, and the bushing tore. Put everything back in place and it happened again, on other bushings as well. Even when just turning. Bummer. Got 44s on my reg board and 55s on my cruiser, both have been stellar out of the box with no problems. Going from Thunders to Aces on this crust setup shortened my wheel base from 17 3/4 to 17 3/8 and the pop was instantly more predictable. Crazy what a difference that adjustment makes. I know they will turn great once I get this sorted. Going with the recommendations here and hope they firm up. Not really trying to frankentruck or put an after market fix on some brand new shit. Sent 'em an email to see what they say.[close]
Quote from: palelight on May 22, 2020, 01:41:46 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: babywantsbluevelvet on May 22, 2020, 12:39:53 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: velvethammer on May 22, 2020, 12:26:28 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: babywantsbluevelvet on May 22, 2020, 11:58:50 AMExpand QuoteQuote from: Ok on May 22, 2020, 07:04:08 AMExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not. I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower. I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?[close]My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sure[close]I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.[close]Manufacturing is only half the equation in this hypothetical. High Speed owns Ermico and DLX, everything is in house. If Ace were manufactured at Ermico and added to DLX distribution you'd see prices in line with Venture/Thunder. But that's a lot of unlikely if's. Although if it did happen DLX would have the truck market absolutely cornered.[close]Nice, didn't think of that angle. The credibility and quality that would come with those ifs would make "fuck the rest" pretty laughable.
Quote from: babywantsbluevelvet on May 22, 2020, 12:39:53 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: velvethammer on May 22, 2020, 12:26:28 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: babywantsbluevelvet on May 22, 2020, 11:58:50 AMExpand QuoteQuote from: Ok on May 22, 2020, 07:04:08 AMExpand QuoteMaaaaaaaan, c’mon. Changing the height too? Fuck. Maybe it’ll all be better. But rather just not. I really like that I can run 56s without risers, and I can’t do that with Indy (too much bite, cuz I’m too sloppy), and that ACE are lower. I hope some of these rumors get more hopeful. ACE to ermico or something like that.[close]Man, if Ace were to manufacture domestically, that'd be a crippling blow to Independent's hold over their Ace-curious customers. I would bet money Independent's demographic skews more pro-MiUSA than most (for obvious reasons, and no shade intended), so Ace could easily scoop a ton of them up. Thoughts?[close]My thought is you didn’t factor in the fact that a truck produced here now will cost the consumer at least twice what they are paying now. >$100 per set for fucking sure[close]I didn't factor in that they'd cost at least twice as much because I doubt they would. More expensive for sure, but I think a boost in sales would justify it. Granted, I'm don't work in manufacturing or sales, but I think people would be down to pay an extra $10. Venture is able to pump them out at $45 a set in San Francisco, and that's one of the costliest places to conduct business in the country. Anyhow, it's all hypothetical and probably not a big deal for a lot of us, but it just seems like it would be smart for them and potentially better for their QC.[close]Manufacturing is only half the equation in this hypothetical. High Speed owns Ermico and DLX, everything is in house. If Ace were manufactured at Ermico and added to DLX distribution you'd see prices in line with Venture/Thunder. But that's a lot of unlikely if's. Although if it did happen DLX would have the truck market absolutely cornered.[close]
youre fucking FRIED if you think im gonna listen to dan corrigan talk about cariuma
Indy was Ermico until a few years ago, correct? Their prices were in line with everyone else. They recently switched to China manufacturing, most likely cutting costs in half and the price is higher than venture/thunder.
Quote from: Weezil on May 22, 2020, 02:26:30 PMExpand QuoteI’d probably only buy ace if they were made by dlx/ermico.[close]I'd rather see them under Dwindle; the fit and finish on Tensor ATGs is fucking top notch, lightyears beyond anything out of Ermico (Ventures being the top dog as far as quality out the door goes). Hell even the new indys look better finish-wise coming out of China.Not that finish on baseplates means fuck all but just look at Thunder Cast plates vs. virtually anything else on the market).I'll be pretty bummed if they fuck with the 52mm height....if it goes 55mm fuck it, I'm sticking with ATGs, they're more ATV (hence the ATG) in my book.
I’d probably only buy ace if they were made by dlx/ermico.[close]
I'll be pretty bummed if they fuck with the 52mm height....if it goes 55mm fuck it, I'm sticking with ATGs, they're more ATV (hence the ATG) in my book.
Quote from: Xen on May 22, 2020, 05:05:58 PMExpand QuoteI'll be pretty bummed if they fuck with the 52mm height....if it goes 55mm fuck it, I'm sticking with ATGs, they're more ATV (hence the ATG) in my book.[close]This.Aces 44s are successful because they sit in a sweet spot between Indys and Thunders. If Ace no longer wants to hold this niche, I really don't understand the purpose of this brand.
I'll be pretty bummed if they fuck with the 52mm height....if it goes 55mm fuck it, I'm sticking with ATGs, they're more ATV (hence the ATG) in my book.[close]
Hey what are your favorite 8.38 shapes to pair with ace 44.Right now I'm riding a primitve 31,915x 14,2, kinda like the combination. But for my next board I wanna try a new shape, since i haven't found my perfect combination yet.
Quote from: Maxi205 on May 27, 2020, 01:18:00 PMExpand QuoteHey what are your favorite 8.38 shapes to pair with ace 44.Right now I'm riding a primitve 31,915x 14,2, kinda like the combination. But for my next board I wanna try a new shape, since i haven't found my perfect combination yet.[close]I ride 44s on my main setups and my personal favorites are the DLX 8.25x32 and 8.4x32 shapes. I like steep concave with Aces so I try to find a "I", but if there isn't one, I'll get a "II". Pretty sure both have a 14.38 wb. Biggest difference, apart from 1/8" width, is the shape of the nose on the 8.25; it's taper is a little less rounded and more trapezoidal, and it comes to a sort of rounded shovel shape, which I really like for some reason. The 8.4 has a pretty standard nose, not too square or too pointy. I think the tail on both is pretty much the same. Wheelbase might be a touch long for some, but Aces shrink it enough that flip tricks don't feel sluggish or too effortful. I've skated two of the 8.25 over the last few months and I'm on an 8.4 right now, and it's felt pretty much like riding the same board the entire time, in spite of the differences. Doubt I'm over the madness, but it would take something pretty enticing to get me to mess with that combo for a bit.
Hey what are your favorite 8.38 shapes to pair with ace 44.Right now I'm riding a primitve 31,915x 14,2, kinda like the combination. But for my next board I wanna try a new shape, since i haven't found my perfect combination yet.[close]
Quote from: Mr. Stinky on May 27, 2020, 02:04:11 PMExpand QuoteQuote from: Maxi205 on May 27, 2020, 01:18:00 PMExpand QuoteHey what are your favorite 8.38 shapes to pair with ace 44.Right now I'm riding a primitve 31,915x 14,2, kinda like the combination. But for my next board I wanna try a new shape, since i haven't found my perfect combination yet.[close]I ride 44s on my main setups and my personal favorites are the DLX 8.25x32 and 8.4x32 shapes. I like steep concave with Aces so I try to find a "I", but if there isn't one, I'll get a "II". Pretty sure both have a 14.38 wb. Biggest difference, apart from 1/8" width, is the shape of the nose on the 8.25; it's taper is a little less rounded and more trapezoidal, and it comes to a sort of rounded shovel shape, which I really like for some reason. The 8.4 has a pretty standard nose, not too square or too pointy. I think the tail on both is pretty much the same. Wheelbase might be a touch long for some, but Aces shrink it enough that flip tricks don't feel sluggish or too effortful. I've skated two of the 8.25 over the last few months and I'm on an 8.4 right now, and it's felt pretty much like riding the same board the entire time, in spite of the differences. Doubt I'm over the madness, but it would take something pretty enticing to get me to mess with that combo for a bit.[close]I have both of these shapes sitting at home ready to be set up again. Loved them while I skated them but went back to 10+ boards for a while. Think I’m going to set up the 8.25 x 32 with 44s and maybe 56’s. What size wheels are you normally on?
Quote from: Maxi205 on May 27, 2020, 01:18:00 PMExpand QuoteHey what are your favorite 8.38 shapes to pair with ace 44.Right now I'm riding a primitve 31,915x 14,2, kinda like the combination. But for my next board I wanna try a new shape, since i haven't found my perfect combination yet.[close]I ride 44s on my main setups and my personal favorites are the DLX 8.25x32 and 8.4x32 shapes. I like steep concave with Aces so I try to find a "I", but if there isn't one, I'll get a "II". Pretty sure both have a 14.38 wb. Biggest difference, apart from 1/8" width, is the shape of the nose on the 8.25; it's taper is a little less rounded and more trapezoidal, and it comes to a sort of rounded shovel shape, which I really like for some reason. The 8.4 has a pretty standard nose, not too square or too pointy. I think the tail on both is pretty much the same. Wheelbase might be a touch long for some, but Aces shrink it enough that flip tricks don't feel sluggish or too effortful. I've skated two of the 8.25 over the last few months and I'm on an 8.4 right now, and it's felt pretty much like riding the same board the entire time, in spite of the differences. Doubt I'm over the madness, but it would take something pretty enticing to get me to mess with that combo for a bit.[close]
Where are these rumors about the new Ace revisions coming from? I’d love to see a 8.65 or 8.75 axle but don’t want to get my hopes up too much
Here are some prototypes of the new Aces that were sent to some local riders. Don't get too excited, they aren't the final design, which, I'm told will likely not be out until Spring 2020.They were pretty heavy with way thicker hangers and baseplate height. I heard the base plates are going to be thinned out (to keep current height) and come with hollow kingpins stock.The metal is supposedly way harder. Not 'entirely forged' as people mentioned but apparently manufactured with some process that no other truck manus are currently using. So the grind will feel harder. These were 44s and they were 8.25". 55s will be 8.5", 66s will be 8.75" and 77s will be 9.125".I don't know how accurate all this info is but these trucks looked pretty damn sick in person.