Ace trucks

[Too Frank To Fred]

Great news. And you saved me panic buying more classic 55s while praying for wider T2s one day…

I’m old and stuck in my ways and from now on it’s Ace and Thunder only for me.

[BartHarleyJarvis]

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_Classic_Truck/descpage-ACCLPTK.html

Skate warehouse daily dose has Ace Classic 33, 44, 55 and 66 for $33/pair.

[camel filters]

Great news. And you saved me panic buying more classic 55s while praying for wider T2s one day…

I’m old and stuck in my ways and from now on it’s Ace and Thunder only for me.

Other than the height, those are two very different trucks to be grouping together has go-tos

[Too Frank To Fred]

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Great news. And you saved me panic buying more classic 55s while praying for wider T2s one day…

I’m old and stuck in my ways and from now on it’s Ace and Thunder only for me.

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Other than the height, those are two very different trucks to be grouping together has go-tos

For sure and that is the appeal, when I'm aiming for a different feeling. They both do what they do very well but very different feeling trucks. If I was sensible, I woiuldn't do that to myself...

[Cthulhu!]

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_Classic_Truck/descpage-ACCLPTK.html

Skate warehouse daily dose has Ace Classic 33, 44, 55 and 66 for $33/pair.

thanks got a pair of 33s on the way!

[ferguu]

This has definitely been asked before but can't find it - Does anybody know how the stock bushings in Ace AF1 low compare to the regular AF1? Does anybody have stats / measurements? Thanks.

[Mbrimson88]

This has definitely been asked before but can't find it - Does anybody know how the stock bushings in Ace AF1 low compare to the regular AF1? Does anybody have stats / measurements? Thanks.

I checked here but couldn't find it, at least not easily, so then just went to Shoes and Gear main search and found this.


From the bushing thread:

Updated a few options on bushings after the Ace Truck thread and thought I should measure some more I have here too.


From the site, the Ace low are lower in general but still fairly tall.


Low Bushing Set

Top 10mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 12mm tall | 86a hardness


Classic Bushing Set

Top 12mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 14mm tall | 86a hardness


As I had posted earlier in another thread, but this time using Ace aftermarket measurements:

Ace low
Total  22 mm
Top  10 mm
Bottom  12 mm

Ace classic
Total  26 mm
Top  12 mm
Bottom  14 mm

Venture stock 94a
Total  22.5 mm
Top  9.5 mm
Bottom  13 mm

Thunder stock 90a and aftermarket (same) 90a, 94a, 95a, 98a, 100a
Total  23.5 mm
Top  9.5 mm
Bottom  14 mm

Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total  23.5 mm
Top  10.5 mm
Bottom  13 mm

Then Indy low head bushings 92a
Total  21 mm
Top  8 mm
Bottom  13 mm


* Added Venture in here as well.

[lamfordie]

Skatewarehouse has the af1 inverted, saying it's gonna be released June 21st
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[hayduke lives]

$45 wtf! tariffs aren't in effect yet so i'd call that a cash grab cuz they know they are fucked. also, i knew classics were china but weren't the af1 made in taiwan? same factory as paris and new lurpivs was my understanding.

[logjammin]

looks like a shaft nut sleeve just like the other companies do, which comes loose. baseplate looks like a different casting compared to the hanger. perhaps a stronger alloy could be their way of avoiding that.

[Rick Trapasso]

Lol $80+ for some ace's

Bout to be primarily seeing these on Andy Anderson flight decks

[camel filters]

I smith and feeble alot and have tried inverted trucks before. It really isn't that bad grinding on standard kp nuts. No amount of smooth grinding will ever be worth knowing the possibility of the trucks rattling loose. I know some who have had good luck but having the possibility in the back of my mind is enough to fuck with me.

Lol $80+ for some ace's

Bout to be primarily seeing these on Andy Anderson flight decks

New rich guy meta: DBX deck, Ace Inverted, Bones Ceramic, Spitfire F4 93, NB 933's.

[Too Frank To Fred]

I love Ace but I’m not in a hurry to get the inverted KPs. If anything, I’ll stock up on classics…

[neonbrown]

$45 wtf! tariffs aren't in effect yet so i'd call that a cash grab cuz they know they are fucked. also, i knew classics were china but weren't the af1 made in taiwan? same factory as paris and new lurpivs was my understanding.

Taiwan just got hit with a 32% tariff. AF1 Hollow trucks are $36.95 on the Mesa website, and 32% of that is nearly $12.

So if anything, Ace is actually making less money with $45 trucks than they made selling $37 trucks prior to the tariffs.

This is just the new reality, and we are seeing it here because it's a brand new, imported product, not one which arrived back in October and has been sitting on warehouse shelves.

[hayduke lives]

i don't doubt these tariffs will fuck us but they are on hold for 90 days from early april, so start beginning of july. if skatewarehouse is shipping them end of june first batch at least will beat tariff. they are likely here or en route already. also, wouldn't tariff be on wholesale price? if msrp is $36 i'd be shocked if mesa pays more that $15/truck. passing on 100% of the cost to customer is one thing, profiting off paying a tariff or blaming tariffs before they hit is wack. i'm just not into giving businesses excuses for more greed. same with how they used covid and "supply chain issues" as catch all for every price increase justified or not. this kind of crap.
https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/deconstructing-loblaws-inept-self-justification

[neonbrown]

i don't doubt these tariffs will fuck us but they are on hold for 90 days from early april, so start beginning of july. if skatewarehouse is shipping them end of june first batch at least will beat tariff. they are likely here or en route already. also, wouldn't tariff be on wholesale price? if msrp is $36 i'd be shocked if mesa pays more that $15/truck. passing on 100% of the cost to customer is one thing, profiting off paying a tariff or blaming tariffs before they hit is wack. i'm just not into giving businesses excuses for more greed. same with how they used covid and "supply chain issues" as catch all for every price increase justified or not. this kind of crap.
https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/deconstructing-loblaws-inept-self-justification

I really don't understand what the point of this is. The reality is that prices are going up in the very near term and Ace is getting ahead of it. What do you expect for them to do?

[hayduke lives]

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i don't doubt these tariffs will fuck us but they are on hold for 90 days from early april, so start beginning of july. if skatewarehouse is shipping them end of june first batch at least will beat tariff. they are likely here or en route already. also, wouldn't tariff be on wholesale price? if msrp is $36 i'd be shocked if mesa pays more that $15/truck. passing on 100% of the cost to customer is one thing, profiting off paying a tariff or blaming tariffs before they hit is wack. i'm just not into giving businesses excuses for more greed. same with how they used covid and "supply chain issues" as catch all for every price increase justified or not. this kind of crap.
https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/deconstructing-loblaws-inept-self-justification

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I really don't understand what the point of this is. The reality is that prices are going up in the very near term and Ace is getting ahead of it. What do you expect for them to do?

really? it's pretty simple. don't jack up the price before your cost goes up. "getting ahead of it" is kinda like price gouging. if what you don't understand is why i linked to an article about grocery prices it was to illustrate how businesses take advantage of crisis to further increase profits. seems scummy to me but if you find it justifiable, whatever. i have a few sets of ace in the pile and am back on thunder so not really worried about price of ikp ace so much as i find it an interesting lens to view how companies choose to do business.

[rikki]

The worst thing about tariffs/other potentially temporary reasons of jacking up the prices is that once the original reason to raise the prices is gone (e.g. tariffs are lifted) the prices stay up. Greedy mofos on all levels, forever.

[BartHarleyJarvis]

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i don't doubt these tariffs will fuck us but they are on hold for 90 days from early april, so start beginning of july. if skatewarehouse is shipping them end of june first batch at least will beat tariff. they are likely here or en route already. also, wouldn't tariff be on wholesale price? if msrp is $36 i'd be shocked if mesa pays more that $15/truck. passing on 100% of the cost to customer is one thing, profiting off paying a tariff or blaming tariffs before they hit is wack. i'm just not into giving businesses excuses for more greed. same with how they used covid and "supply chain issues" as catch all for every price increase justified or not. this kind of crap.
https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/deconstructing-loblaws-inept-self-justification

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I really don't understand what the point of this is. The reality is that prices are going up in the very near term and Ace is getting ahead of it. What do you expect for them to do?

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really? it's pretty simple. don't jack up the price before your cost goes up. "getting ahead of it" is kinda like price gouging. if what you don't understand is why i linked to an article about grocery prices it was to illustrate how businesses take advantage of crisis to further increase profits. seems scummy to me but if you find it justifiable, whatever. i have a few sets of ace in the pile and am back on thunder so not really worried about price of ikp ace so much as i find it an interesting lens to view how companies choose to do business.

All of your points are really well taken but I’m willing to give ace the *smallest* benefit of the doubt. There are a couple of things that I would take into consideration:
-these have been in development for a while, I saw samples last year that ended up not being final. All of those development costs have to get priced in somewhere
-businesses mostly cost average, so the pricing could just be what they decided they needed to weather the upcoming tariffs. Keep in mind there’s already a 10% flat tariff in place on ALL goods, and they’re expecting an additional 32% on top of that. Maybe the first shipment avoids them, but they aren’t going to import once and stop. They may be taking the increased margin on the June shipment, but they’ll be taking significantly less if/when the 32% hits.

All that being said. If there’s ANOTHER price increase in July, that would be scummy. It would also be a little scummy if the 32% tariffs never actually hit, and the prices don’t come down at all, but to be honest that’s probably what Mesa will do. You’re absolutely right it’s a one way ratchet strap, prices never come back down

[hayduke lives]

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i don't doubt these tariffs will fuck us but they are on hold for 90 days from early april, so start beginning of july. if skatewarehouse is shipping them end of june first batch at least will beat tariff. they are likely here or en route already. also, wouldn't tariff be on wholesale price? if msrp is $36 i'd be shocked if mesa pays more that $15/truck. passing on 100% of the cost to customer is one thing, profiting off paying a tariff or blaming tariffs before they hit is wack. i'm just not into giving businesses excuses for more greed. same with how they used covid and "supply chain issues" as catch all for every price increase justified or not. this kind of crap.
https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/deconstructing-loblaws-inept-self-justification

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I really don't understand what the point of this is. The reality is that prices are going up in the very near term and Ace is getting ahead of it. What do you expect for them to do?

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really? it's pretty simple. don't jack up the price before your cost goes up. "getting ahead of it" is kinda like price gouging. if what you don't understand is why i linked to an article about grocery prices it was to illustrate how businesses take advantage of crisis to further increase profits. seems scummy to me but if you find it justifiable, whatever. i have a few sets of ace in the pile and am back on thunder so not really worried about price of ikp ace so much as i find it an interesting lens to view how companies choose to do business.

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All of your points are really well taken but I’m willing to give ace the *smallest* benefit of the doubt. There are a couple of things that I would take into consideration:
-these have been in development for a while, I saw samples last year that ended up not being final. All of those development costs have to get priced in somewhere
-businesses mostly cost average, so the pricing could just be what they decided they needed to weather the upcoming tariffs. Keep in mind there’s already a 10% flat tariff in place on ALL goods, and they’re expecting an additional 32% on top of that. Maybe the first shipment avoids them, but they aren’t going to import once and stop. They may be taking the increased margin on the June shipment, but they’ll be taking significantly less if/when the 32% hits.

All that being said. If there’s ANOTHER price increase in July, that would be scummy. It would also be a little scummy if the 32% tariffs never actually hit, and the prices don’t come down at all, but to be honest that’s probably what Mesa will do. You’re absolutely right it’s a one way ratchet strap, prices never come back down

tariff's/profits aside do you know if they stuck with the version of the ikp that had the channel lock or did that not work as expected, hence the delay?

[BartHarleyJarvis]

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i don't doubt these tariffs will fuck us but they are on hold for 90 days from early april, so start beginning of july. if skatewarehouse is shipping them end of june first batch at least will beat tariff. they are likely here or en route already. also, wouldn't tariff be on wholesale price? if msrp is $36 i'd be shocked if mesa pays more that $15/truck. passing on 100% of the cost to customer is one thing, profiting off paying a tariff or blaming tariffs before they hit is wack. i'm just not into giving businesses excuses for more greed. same with how they used covid and "supply chain issues" as catch all for every price increase justified or not. this kind of crap.
https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/deconstructing-loblaws-inept-self-justification

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I really don't understand what the point of this is. The reality is that prices are going up in the very near term and Ace is getting ahead of it. What do you expect for them to do?

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really? it's pretty simple. don't jack up the price before your cost goes up. "getting ahead of it" is kinda like price gouging. if what you don't understand is why i linked to an article about grocery prices it was to illustrate how businesses take advantage of crisis to further increase profits. seems scummy to me but if you find it justifiable, whatever. i have a few sets of ace in the pile and am back on thunder so not really worried about price of ikp ace so much as i find it an interesting lens to view how companies choose to do business.

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All of your points are really well taken but I’m willing to give ace the *smallest* benefit of the doubt. There are a couple of things that I would take into consideration:
-these have been in development for a while, I saw samples last year that ended up not being final. All of those development costs have to get priced in somewhere
-businesses mostly cost average, so the pricing could just be what they decided they needed to weather the upcoming tariffs. Keep in mind there’s already a 10% flat tariff in place on ALL goods, and they’re expecting an additional 32% on top of that. Maybe the first shipment avoids them, but they aren’t going to import once and stop. They may be taking the increased margin on the June shipment, but they’ll be taking significantly less if/when the 32% hits.

All that being said. If there’s ANOTHER price increase in July, that would be scummy. It would also be a little scummy if the 32% tariffs never actually hit, and the prices don’t come down at all, but to be honest that’s probably what Mesa will do. You’re absolutely right it’s a one way ratchet strap, prices never come back down

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tariff's/profits aside do you know if they stuck with the version of the ikp that had the channel lock or did that not work as expected, hence the delay?

Don’t know, unfortunately. A shop owner I know was running some samples and just said Ace had to go back to the drawing board.

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Chop shop of just the ikp baseplates would be the ultimate consumer friendly move but I'm not keeping my hopes up. The only reason I'm bringing it up, is that the flyer mentions "compatible with AF1 hangers" suggesting they expect people to put their existing hangers on.

[Mbrimson88]

Chop shop of just the ikp baseplates would be the ultimate consumer friendly move but I'm not keeping my hopes up. The only reason I'm bringing it up, is that the flyer mentions "compatible with AF1 hangers" suggesting they expect people to put their existing hangers on.

The funny thing is the pre order is only for the 44 truck, at least from Skate Warehouse from that listing as far as I could see. 

Oh now they have the 55 as well. 

Still kind of funny for such a minimal release, unless they are going to add more as they go.


https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Ace_AF1_Inverted_Hollow_Truck/descpage-ACFITK.html?color=SI

[BeachChicken]

Aren't Ace speculated to be made at the Paris Trucks factory in China?

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Aren't Ace speculated to be made at the Paris Trucks factory in China?

they were for sure, not sure if still are.

[manuduncan]

The worst thing about tariffs/other potentially temporary reasons of jacking up the prices is that once the original reason to raise the prices is gone (e.g. tariffs are lifted) the prices stay up. Greedy mofos on all levels, forever.

yup they ain't going back down, like how the base pricing for houses and cars shot up and stayed there

[Gunot]

Chop shop of just the ikp baseplates would be the ultimate consumer friendly move but I'm not keeping my hopes up. The only reason I'm bringing it up, is that the flyer mentions "compatible with AF1 hangers" suggesting they expect people to put their existing hangers on.

Maybe you should. The flyer clearly says „sold separately“. I‘m hyped for some ikp baseplates.

[neonbrown]

Aren't Ace speculated to be made at the Paris Trucks factory in China?

It’s my understanding that Paris and Ace are both part of Mesa Skate Supply, so it stands to reason that they use the same subcontractors in Asia. I doubt very highly that Paris operates their own factory in China, though.

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Chop shop of just the ikp baseplates would be the ultimate consumer friendly move but I'm not keeping my hopes up. The only reason I'm bringing it up, is that the flyer mentions "compatible with AF1 hangers" suggesting they expect people to put their existing hangers on.

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Maybe you should. The flyer clearly says „sold separately“. I‘m hyped for some ikp baseplates.

Oh shit I’m excited

[BeachChicken]

Looks as if the Chinese tariffs are changing daily I wonder if Ace has noticed and/or will adjust their price?