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[iw0]

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speaking of loophole, anyone have recent-ish experience or i guess any experience with the square shape? i've stuck to vcut, but for some reason squares have me curious

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want the square 54s; currently on 56 v-cuts and 52 teardrops on my “tech” deck

it appears nfg has 54 squares on sale 🤔

[Xen]

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Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.

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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/60mm-oj-ii-original-white-combo-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels

If you can deal with the extra width, these wheels are pretty great. Super grippy while still being pretty fast.

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I have the 97a teamrider iis and am pretty tempted by these... adore the way they look and the 97a that i have isnt big enough of a difference to be worth the sacrifice of hard wheels

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Maybe it’s in my head, but the 97a OJ/Slimeballs feel a bit sluggish to me. These ones feel faster. For being only two points softer they feel pretty different

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Thanks for the insight. I felt the same, was pretty dissapointed with the wheels. Now I have got to decide between these or 97 58 conical fulls....

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Not sure about anyone else, but if there are F4 97duro 58mm conical full wheels still out there, I don't think they would be out there for long.

People have been snapping them up and I don't think there are going to be any more.

Get them while you can.

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Why do you say that? Do you mean no more 58s, or no more 97s?

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no 97s in the spring 22 dlx catalog, bummer. i'd post it up but the link has expired. there's a new shape though, radial full.

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Weird, Radials are fat as it is...size for size they are on par with Conical Fulls but with a narrower contact patch...I guess people want wider than that? I never thought of Radials to be a big seller, it's the Classic Fulls people seem to want...but I get the radial shape sits in between Classics and Conicals.

New drops of Radial Slims are still nowhere to be found but they're still listed...

[white guy in a durag]

God I want the 58 radial full so bad. Kick myself every day for not being big wheel ballin enough to get them when the neckface collab was out

[Mbrimson88]

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Thanks dudes! Yeah, 97a is what I was leaning toward. OJ, bones, or maybe even satori or Santa Cruz.

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https://nhsfunfactory.com/products/60mm-oj-ii-original-white-combo-95a-oj-skateboard-wheels

If you can deal with the extra width, these wheels are pretty great. Super grippy while still being pretty fast.

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I have the 97a teamrider iis and am pretty tempted by these... adore the way they look and the 97a that i have isnt big enough of a difference to be worth the sacrifice of hard wheels

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Maybe it’s in my head, but the 97a OJ/Slimeballs feel a bit sluggish to me. These ones feel faster. For being only two points softer they feel pretty different

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Thanks for the insight. I felt the same, was pretty dissapointed with the wheels. Now I have got to decide between these or 97 58 conical fulls....

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Not sure about anyone else, but if there are F4 97duro 58mm conical full wheels still out there, I don't think they would be out there for long.

People have been snapping them up and I don't think there are going to be any more.

Get them while you can.

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Why do you say that? Do you mean no more 58s, or no more 97s?

Sorry for any confusion.

Actually no more 56mm in the 97 conical full.

There are still the 54 and 58 conical full and the 53, 54 and 56 classic shape in 97 duro.


Also just because a product is not in a specific drop (eg Spring 22) doesn't mean it is not in the standard lines that are still being carried.

I think there is enough interest in 97 duro to keep them around for a while longer.


* Edit: added my other post from previous page too.


Damn, 24 sets still showing in stock, which is pretty cool.

https://www.tactics.com/spitfire/formula-four-conical-full-skateboard-wheels/natural-teal-97d


I might have been mistaken, as I rechecked the catalog so it might be the 56mm that is no longer being made, with the 54 and 58 being the standard lines.

People are still wanting the old 58mm conical full wheels in 99 too, but I don't think they will be coming back any time soon.

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God I want the 58 radial full so bad. Kick myself every day for not being big wheel ballin enough to get them when the neckface collab was out

Kaders new pro wheel should be out any day now, 57 and 60mm radial full 99a. Were prebooked for Fall 21 and have yet to arrive, going to contact the rep tomorrow about a status update. Natural with a green spitfire bighead logo on them.

[Mbrimson88]

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God I want the 58 radial full so bad. Kick myself every day for not being big wheel ballin enough to get them when the neckface collab was out

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Kaders new pro wheel should be out any day now, 57 and 60mm radial full 99a. Were prebooked for Fall 21 and have yet to arrive, going to contact the rep tomorrow about a status update. Natural with a green spitfire bighead logo on them.

Spitfire thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3682088#msg3682088


Seems some places already have them, trust Zumiez to already be in on that one (big buying power getting the first look in) but a few other places are already sold out online, so who knows when the rest will drop.

I was almost wondering if his sponsor hopping had dampened the enthusiasm to get his wheel out, as there had been no mention of it anywhere after the shop catalog, then a few people (team riders) and shops have them, so maybe more will be out soon enough, or who knows what is going on.

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God I want the 58 radial full so bad. Kick myself every day for not being big wheel ballin enough to get them when the neckface collab was out

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Kaders new pro wheel should be out any day now, 57 and 60mm radial full 99a. Were prebooked for Fall 21 and have yet to arrive, going to contact the rep tomorrow about a status update. Natural with a green spitfire bighead logo on them.

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Spitfire thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.msg3682088#msg3682088


Seems some places already have them, trust Zumiez to already be in on that one (big buying power getting the first look in) but a few other places are already sold out online, so who knows when the rest will drop.

I was almost wondering if his sponsor hopping had dampened the enthusiasm to get his wheel out, as there had been no mention of it anywhere after the shop catalog, then a few people (team riders) and shops have them, so maybe more will be out soon enough, or who knows what is going on.

Also worth keeping in mind some stores put products up before their release to generate clicks + boost SEO. I would bet any store that says out of stock has just made the product on their site and is waiting for it to come in. Can't wait to pick a set of these up for the slappy setup.

[mbam003]

I just want some 55mm Radials. I know some exist. One day.

[Mbrimson88]

Also worth keeping in mind some stores put products up before their release to generate clicks + boost SEO. I would bet any store that says out of stock has just made the product on their site and is waiting for it to come in. Can't wait to pick a set of these up for the slappy setup.

Yeah I kind of wonder about release dates, but we don't really have any of that here in Australia.  If stock is in, then it goes up right away, but especially if something is super limited, it wouldn't even be listed and just bought through those who know in the shop, etc.

Re "Not in stock but list it anyway" thought - a curious one too.  But also in saying that, I know some things that did get listed were sold out in seconds from when the shop email went out, which was nuts, to say the least.

Hopefully your place gets them soon enough (or any at all) so you can get on them.

I just want some 55mm Radials. I know some exist. One day.

I had to recheck the Oski Lurpiv truck thread, then realised it was you asking for them there.

The 56mm coming out soon enough would be a good option though.

[mbam003]

The 56mm coming out soon enough would be a good option though.

Yes it was me. Not really stoked about the Radial Fulls. The Radials hit that sweet spot between the fat conical fulls and narrow ride patch classics. A Radial full would simply be too much on the conical full side of things for me (do we even know the dimensions? i assume it would be a radial with a wider ride patch). If it's not the Radials, it will have to be the classics I guess.

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I just want some 55mm Radials. I know some exist. One day.

My local has those SLAG 56mm radials, so theres a few sets floating around. Pretty sure they came in 55 as well!

[Painted Baby]

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I just want some 55mm Radials. I know some exist. One day.

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My local has those SLAG 56mm radials, so theres a few sets floating around. Pretty sure they came in 55 as well!

AFAIK those were 53, 54 and 56 only. Lots of deals on them though and the 56s were natural color but that size may be sold through by now.

[Hazesack]

i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?

[iw0]

i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?

some might say to go for the 95 nfg v-cut (you are in germany which might limit you i'm guessing) but the 56's feel just fine on crusty ground for me. i have them on a curb board, specifically the 56's, and 3 sets of 54's on other decks. love the way the v-cuts handle and have 0 complaints. hth!

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i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?

sorry for going off topic here, but could you get away with 60mm wheels and no riser on the surf jr?

[Gray Imp Sausage Metal]

i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?

I’ve ridden v-cuts on a polar surf and it is probably the most fun board I’ve ridden in the last 10 years, highly recommended! Currently have them on a passport spade shape which is very similar to surf anyway:

Always puts a massive smile on my dial when I’m riding it!

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i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?

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sorry for going off topic here, but could you get away with 60mm wheels and no riser on the surf jr?

I have the Surf jr. with wheel wells I think it works, but initially I ordered risers as well. Didn’t ride it in a while though.

Damn the PassPort Deck is a beauty. That’s why I really want to give the Polar a go, as my normal deck is a twin tail

Thanks guys I might need to see if there is a possibility to order 95s

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I just want some 55mm Radials. I know some exist. One day.

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My local has those SLAG 56mm radials, so theres a few sets floating around. Pretty sure they came in 55 as well!

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AFAIK those were 53, 54 and 56 only. Lots of deals on them though and the 56s were natural color but that size may be sold through by now.

I started to reply here, then relocated my reply into the Spitfire wheels thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=68020.3720

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sorry for going off topic here, but could you get away with 60mm wheels and no riser on the surf jr?

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I have the Surf jr. with wheel wells I think it works, but initially I ordered risers as well. Didn’t ride it in a while though.

Damn the PassPort Deck is a beauty. That’s why I really want to give the Polar a go, as my normal deck is a twin tail

Thanks guys I might need to see if there is a possibility to order 95s

I feel like any board with wheel wells makes such a big difference on looser trucks and or bigger wheels, with it giving the board an average of 1/8 to 1/4" extra turning (which is a significant amount).

Been building some cruisers and enjoy the feeling of not having such tall risers on them, with loose trucks and big soft wheels, that is almost a recipe for disaster, but by using an angle grinder and making wheel wells in a couple of boards, I can get away with almost no riser, or at the most a 1/8" riser which allows the board to still feel normal and not super tall.

Normal wheels are not as bad as soft wheels of the same size, but I still get a little wheelbite on Indy standard 55mm tall trucks and normal 60mm Spitfire wheels, so I often have a very minimal riser in there (1mm home made rubber cut out) but if you don't have loose trucks, you can get away with a lot more.

Vert guys I knew often rode big wheels and no risers and never got wheelbite, but they had pretty tight trucks too.


I guess it just comes down to how much you like to turn, as well as what you can get away with in terms of the board concave - steeper side rails will allow more turn, wider trucks so the wheels are not as close to the deck, or check where the wheels touch and carve a bit out of the board with a grinder, sander or whatever you have at hand.  It should not weaken the deck at all and definitely allow for a lot more turn.

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i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?

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sorry for going off topic here, but could you get away with 60mm wheels and no riser on the surf jr?

How big are you? I am skating mine (the Paul Grund version with no wheel wells) with 60mm classics on Ace 44s (stock) with just the 1/16" shock pad. I'm around 200lbs and I am not getting any noticeable bite, so if you're lighter you could do no risers (at least with Aces).

I also tried it with Venture 5.8s and Indy 149s. No bite on the Ventures (no risers) until I replaced the top washer. Indys bit a lot, but I also didn't swap the bushings and stock Indys are way too soft for me. Actually going to try it again today but with Bones hard bushings.

[Boog]

I'm going to try these out either today after work or tomorrow on my day off. These are the 54mm v cuts I think? They are a very good looking wide wheel. Can't wait to skate them.

[manysnakes]

What are these Loophole wheels offering that one couldn’t get from Spitfire or Bones? Are they really something other than another wheels from Creative Urethane?

[white guy in a durag]

What are these Loophole wheels offering that one couldn’t get from Spitfire or Bones? Are they really something other than another wheels from Creative Urethane?

Yeah, they're a different thing. First off, the V shape is what the og classic should have been. It's a bulldozer in the best way--plows over anything, and fast. In my experience, the urethane almost feels like a hybrid of the 99 and 101 spit fires. It has the easy, almost icy, slide of the 101, but it handles the crust and grips the ground like a 99.

[Hazesack]

i have only started skating back in march again after 15 years off the board and was lurking SLAP to long, got fully addicted with the madness. I think i need those Loopholes and maybe throw some Bones Hards in there.

[dr.prestige]

What are these Loophole wheels offering that one couldn’t get from Spitfire or Bones? Are they really something other than another wheels from Creative Urethane?

They're made in the bay by actual skaters who go and ride the wheels after they clock out. The guy who runs the manufacturing side of Loophole also skates and has been for 30+ years, has a physical chemistry doctorate with a focus in polymers (polyurethane is an organic polymer), and has much more strict control on the process than he did when he was the chemist over at Pointech (Spitfire).

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i am thinking about getting some 56mm V-Shape Loopholes for a Polar Surf Jr. and Indy 159's. I currently ride this deck as a cruiser with 60mm 78A Wheels, but i feel the need to take it to curbs and in the parking lot, as winter in germany is kinda shitty and our parks around here suck balls.

Anyone here ridden the V Shape Loopholes, or has any other recomendation between 56-58mm?

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sorry for going off topic here, but could you get away with 60mm wheels and no riser on the surf jr?

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How big are you? I am skating mine (the Paul Grund version with no wheel wells) with 60mm classics on Ace 44s (stock) with just the 1/16" shock pad. I'm around 200lbs and I am not getting any noticeable bite, so if you're lighter you could do no risers (at least with Aces).

I also tried it with Venture 5.8s and Indy 149s. No bite on the Ventures (no risers) until I replaced the top washer. Indys bit a lot, but I also didn't swap the bushings and stock Indys are way too soft for me. Actually going to try it again today but with Bones hard bushings.

i have the wheel well mt fuji one and am like 150lbs with loose aces. going to be setting up 44 af1s though so i don’t think the wheels will even benefit from the wheel wells all that much as they are closer to the middle. thanks for the in depth response... i think i just have to go skate and eat shit or not eat shit

[beandemon]

Kinda “need” to get some new wheels, but just can’t pull the trigger. Preferred local shop doesn’t have anything I’m into and isn’t restocking until spring. Bitterly regretting not getting some 56mm 97a conical fulls. I’ve got some unridden 54mm conical fulls and slime balls, but they’re essentially the same as the worn down 56’s I’m riding now.

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Is a large but slim wheel faster than a smaller but wide wheel? Say, for instance, you have a 60mm spit classic and a 54mm spit conical full in the same duro. Which would be faster?

I'm partially wondering why my 55mm 99a spit og classics feel slow on crust. Part of me knows I need to go down in durometer but this size issue is going to drive me crazy and I can't conceptualize what shape I need to get...

[jimgrude]

Is a large but slim wheel faster than a smaller but wide wheel? Say, for instance, you have a 60mm spit classic and a 54mm spit conical full in the same duro. Which would be faster?

I'm partially wondering why my 55mm 99a spit og classics feel slow on crust. Part of me knows I need to go down in durometer but this size issue is going to drive me crazy and I can't conceptualize what shape I need to get...

Generally, I'd say that diameter is more important for speed as long as you're on very smooth ground. For crust, however, a wide contact patch is the most important variable to get speed. A small, hard wheel will always vibrate a lot, but still roll fast if it's wide enough.

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Is a large but slim wheel faster than a smaller but wide wheel? Say, for instance, you have a 60mm spit classic and a 54mm spit conical full in the same duro. Which would be faster?

I'm partially wondering why my 55mm 99a spit og classics feel slow on crust. Part of me knows I need to go down in durometer but this size issue is going to drive me crazy and I can't conceptualize what shape I need to get...

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Generally, I'd say that diameter is more important for speed as long as you're on very smooth ground. For crust, however, a wide contact patch is the most important variable to get speed. A small, hard wheel will always vibrate a lot, but still roll fast if it's wide enough.

Ok - so in this case a conical full in 97a would be faster than my 99a og classics, I imagine, especially if I go up in size. Was thinking about trying 97a classics but it sounds like I should stick with conical or cubic shapes for the winter then. Thank you!

[dr.prestige]

Seriously tempted to get these wood roller skate wheels just for shits and giggles. I would imagine they'll skate like shit, but I'm already getting trucks from them for a Polarizer-esque setup I'm planning out, so I might as well get these too. They're 50mm x 32mm.

https://www.suregrip.com/product-p/ww.htm