Wheels Thread

[backinaction]

"Arriving next week!!
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Powell Peralta Experimental wheels have officially been named “Dragon’s”
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$41.95 a set!"


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[DERBY]

man these bones wheels seem exciting. to me bones lacks bigger sizes 56-58mm especially in the v4 shape

[rocklobster]

This marketing is terrible. "Dragons" really?

Same thought, kind of makes sense they marketed these under the PP brand so it doesn't dilute the Bones brand. But PP is not known for their wheels.

Does this mean they are sticking to 93a and aren't doing 90 / 95 / 97a?

[j....soy.....]

Makes sense that they start on this far end as that’s the essence of the formula.  It is a considerably different product I think, different demographic but same level of marketing…..

[Xen]

Ugh, what a terrible name/marketing campaign...

[theloniousmonk]

This marketing is terrible. "Dragons" really?

I thought the same thing. 3/4s of slap is about to be riding dragons.

[backinaction]

95a and up will be Bones branded.

93 and lower are Powell

[DirtCat]

lmao incoming product launch failure.  Good thing they got all these samples out to folks so at least a few skate nerds will buy them.  Everyone is gonna ignore these stupid Powell Peralta Dragons.  I know I would have.

[Xen]

95a and up will be Bones branded.

93 and lower are Powell

That's what I was thinking.

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 Perhaps they'll ditch one of the duros(?) or cut one/two from the 'Bones branding' (90a/93a and slap them on the powell side)

[Easy Slider]

lmao incoming product launch failure.  Good thing they got all these samples out to folks so at least a few skate nerds will buy them.  Everyone is gonna ignore these stupid Powell Peralta Dragons.  I know I would have.

That marketing campaign has absolutely no effect on me.

[FuzzGNU]

I've been laughing this week thinking about how many of us are going to be skating some dorky ass dragon wheels because of how amazing these things are lol. Hopefully they also let Bones make some more tasteful graphics in 93a too.

From my post in this thread on May 29th...

I've said it over and over again... The only thing that will kill these things is bad marketing.

I really hope they start making the V6 93a 56mm with better graphics. Luckily it's smaller and less intrusive on those ones.

[goodatmeth]

On the other hand, does anybody at all care about wheel graphics? Pretty sure most people buy wheels for the shape and durometer, no matter the graphic. All my bones wheels had ugly graphics and they're gone after a few sessions anyway.

I wonder if the bones will still be called SSF (soft slide formula) or something like that, but I hope they'll be called epic dragon sliderinos

[nitro89]

On the other hand, does anybody at all care about wheel graphics? Pretty sure most people buy wheels for the shape and durometer, no matter the graphic. All my bones wheels had ugly graphics and they're gone after a few sessions anyway.

I wonder if the bones will still be called SSF (soft slide formula) or something like that, but I hope they'll be called epic dragon sliderinos

graphics are nothing a bit of Acetone (nail varnish remover if your other half lets you borrow.) wont remove.

[LebowskisRug]

I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.

[chinotto]

Has anyone tried bones 97a without a hub? I just tried the cored version and they indeed feel kinda uncomfortably hard.

[minilogoflow]

I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.

I've been skating the uncored 93a V6 for 2 weeks now and I have no problem doing slappy's or grinds and slides on ledges. Idk if I got a good set or something but I've had a couple homies try my set up and none of them had problems on grinds or slides either. My local is super smooth and the 93a feel nearly identical to my homies 103 STFs in terms of grip and slide. I think if people give these an honest chance, it'll change a lot of minds. I'll take all dorky dragon graphics and && nonsense if it mean I get my holy grail wheel.

[tzhangdox]

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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.

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I've been skating the uncored 93a V6 for 2 weeks now and I have no problem doing slappy's or grinds and slides on ledges. Idk if I got a good set or something but I've had a couple homies try my set up and none of them had problems on grinds or slides either. My local is super smooth and the 93a feel nearly identical to my homies 103 STFs in terms of grip and slide. I think if people give these an honest chance, it'll change a lot of minds. I'll take all dorky dragon graphics and && nonsense if it mean I get my holy grail wheel.

I really wonder if the uncored 93 is a completely different formula to the uncored 95a. Because it sounds like the uncored 95a should just be a slightly harder variant of the uncored 93a, but my uncored v1 95a definitely don't cut it at all for certain slappies, grinds and slides on certain materials whereas everyone is saying that the uncored 93as work very well (even though the cored 93as I got were definitely too soft, like a cruiser wheel).

[minilogoflow]

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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.

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I've been skating the uncored 93a V6 for 2 weeks now and I have no problem doing slappy's or grinds and slides on ledges. Idk if I got a good set or something but I've had a couple homies try my set up and none of them had problems on grinds or slides either. My local is super smooth and the 93a feel nearly identical to my homies 103 STFs in terms of grip and slide. I think if people give these an honest chance, it'll change a lot of minds. I'll take all dorky dragon graphics and && nonsense if it mean I get my holy grail wheel.

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I really wonder if the uncored 93 is a completely different formula to the uncored 95a. Because it sounds like the uncored 95a should just be a slightly harder variant of the uncored 93a, but my uncored v1 95a definitely don't cut it at all for certain slappies, grinds and slides on certain materials whereas everyone is saying that the uncored 93as work very well (even though the cored 93as I got were definitely too soft, like a cruiser wheel).

I mean so far only the 93a "Dragons" look like they're close to release so it could be they're still tweaking the harder formulas. I got a set of the cored 93a too and they felt 90% similar to the uncored ones. Maybe in the cored sets the formula is slightly different or the core could throw off the feel. What about the 95a uncored was giving you issues?

[tzhangdox]

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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.

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I've been skating the uncored 93a V6 for 2 weeks now and I have no problem doing slappy's or grinds and slides on ledges. Idk if I got a good set or something but I've had a couple homies try my set up and none of them had problems on grinds or slides either. My local is super smooth and the 93a feel nearly identical to my homies 103 STFs in terms of grip and slide. I think if people give these an honest chance, it'll change a lot of minds. I'll take all dorky dragon graphics and && nonsense if it mean I get my holy grail wheel.

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I really wonder if the uncored 93 is a completely different formula to the uncored 95a. Because it sounds like the uncored 95a should just be a slightly harder variant of the uncored 93a, but my uncored v1 95a definitely don't cut it at all for certain slappies, grinds and slides on certain materials whereas everyone is saying that the uncored 93as work very well (even though the cored 93as I got were definitely too soft, like a cruiser wheel).

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I mean so far only the 93a "Dragons" look like they're close to release so it could be they're still tweaking the harder formulas. I got a set of the cored 93a too and they felt 90% similar to the uncored ones. Maybe in the cored sets the formula is slightly different or the core could throw off the feel. What about the 95a uncored was giving you issues?

They feel like a hybrid wheel, not like a hard trick wheel. @FuzzGNU said that even his uncored 93a feel like a hard trick wheel, harder than a f4 97a. My uncored 95a feel much softer than a f4 97a, although still harder than a cored 93a. Rides super good, but not as good as a hard wheel on pristine smooth surfaces (which I don't care too much for).

They powerslide very good on asphalt, but in other ways they just dont slide/grind/respond like a formula four at all. They definitely grip and catch noticeably more on slappies, pinched grinds, and bluntslides than 99a f4s. And also because they're soft, they throw you off a lot harder when you wheelbite.

[Xen]

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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.

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I've been skating the uncored 93a V6 for 2 weeks now and I have no problem doing slappy's or grinds and slides on ledges. Idk if I got a good set or something but I've had a couple homies try my set up and none of them had problems on grinds or slides either. My local is super smooth and the 93a feel nearly identical to my homies 103 STFs in terms of grip and slide. I think if people give these an honest chance, it'll change a lot of minds. I'll take all dorky dragon graphics and && nonsense if it mean I get my holy grail wheel.

[close]

I really wonder if the uncored 93 is a completely different formula to the uncored 95a. Because it sounds like the uncored 95a should just be a slightly harder variant of the uncored 93a, but my uncored v1 95a definitely don't cut it at all for certain slappies, grinds and slides on certain materials whereas everyone is saying that the uncored 93as work very well (even though the cored 93as I got were definitely too soft, like a cruiser wheel).

[close]

I mean so far only the 93a "Dragons" look like they're close to release so it could be they're still tweaking the harder formulas. I got a set of the cored 93a too and they felt 90% similar to the uncored ones. Maybe in the cored sets the formula is slightly different or the core could throw off the feel. What about the 95a uncored was giving you issues?

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They feel like a hybrid wheel, not like a hard trick wheel. @FuzzGNU said that even his uncored 93a feel like a hard trick wheel, harder than a f4 97a. My uncored 95a feel much softer than a f4 97a, although still harder than a cored 93a. Rides super good, but not as good as a hard wheel on pristine smooth surfaces (which I don't care too much for).

They powerslide very good on asphalt, but in other ways they just dont slide/grind/respond like a formula four at all. They definitely grip and catch noticeably more on slappies, pinched grinds, and bluntslides than 99a f4s. And also because they're soft, they throw you off a lot harder when you wheelbite.

This is why I'm hoping the 97a (if it comes out) work 'better' than the softer duros...it could just come down to the formula not being good for that kind of shit.

Ditch skating? Yerp. Some crusty spots that don't rely on slides? Sure. Bear run board? MosDef.

[LebowskisRug]

Apparently Dan Corrigan echoes the subpar sliding on coping expressed in this thread. Really can't believe I watched more than a minute of one of his videos.

[yourbreakfsat]

Keep in mind that Dan is sponsored by Powell so he might be overselling the wheels.

[MxsDx]

I put a few sessions in on the new 95a bones prototypes. Shout out to Kam at skate one for making these available — very cool. The bones feel great on rough concrete and asphalt and are super grippy on smooth skatepark surfaces. I wouldn’t classify these as a cruiser only or a hybrid wheel; but even on smooth surfaces it takes significant effort to initiate and slides on them and they don’t revert easily. Also nearly silent — no bark. Definitely softer feel than f4 99 and possibly slower on smooth surfaces (but better on crust).  That said, I have skated the bones stf 99 in the past and these are a HUGE improvement.

Nonetheless, I want an easier slide and will be retiring this set. If any Pal is interested in the 95 (52mm cored) dm me. I also have a set of 93 (52 cored) still in the plastic that I don’t intend to skate and would be happy to pass on too.

[munchbox]

as much as i hate to say it, poor marketing works against me
i skate good on spitfires, bad on brands i dont like/support

wonder what skating would be like without a capitalist brainwash
but here we are

[Mbrimson88]

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On the other hand, does anybody at all care about wheel graphics? Pretty sure most people buy wheels for the shape and durometer, no matter the graphic. All my bones wheels had ugly graphics and they're gone after a few sessions anyway.

I wonder if the bones will still be called SSF (soft slide formula) or something like that, but I hope they'll be called epic dragon sliderinos

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graphics are nothing a bit of Acetone (nail varnish remover if your other half lets you borrow.) wont remove.

From a riding them perspective, I have no issues with any graphics and will happily remove them if I am not into them, given the wheels are the right size, shape, duro or whatever else I want to ride, because to me the graphic is less than 1% of the interest in said set of wheels.


From a shop perspective, it is oh so very frustrating that some wheels that would be the best brand, size, shape and duro just do not sell if they have a less than marketable / appealing graphic and some I have even "blanked" for people who didn't want a certain name / pro rider or something on the wheels, just to make them happy, even if they were going to ride them graphic in and wear them off in the first session.


Razor blades are just as good removing Spitfire wheel graphics as per this set from not too long ago, just scraped off like a scratchie.  Very quick and easy and no wet mess to clean up.

[FuzzGNU]

I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.

Maybe skate faster. Sounds like you're the only one not going fast enough to grind in this thread. I know skateboarding is scary, but I believe in you.

[tzhangdox]

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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.

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Maybe skate faster. Sounds like you're the only one not going fast enough to grind in this thread. I know skateboarding is scary, but I believe in you.

Definitely not the only one. I skate plenty fast and notice the same issues, just not as versatile as f4s in basically every way that involves any degree of slide. I'd go out on a limb and say that either your coreless 93as are basically a completely different wheel to the cored 93 or coreless 95 that I was sent (which is entirely possible), or you haven't tested them out on nearly enough of a range of scenarios and obstacles to notice some of these differences.

[FuzzGNU]

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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.

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I've been skating the uncored 93a V6 for 2 weeks now and I have no problem doing slappy's or grinds and slides on ledges. Idk if I got a good set or something but I've had a couple homies try my set up and none of them had problems on grinds or slides either. My local is super smooth and the 93a feel nearly identical to my homies 103 STFs in terms of grip and slide. I think if people give these an honest chance, it'll change a lot of minds. I'll take all dorky dragon graphics and && nonsense if it mean I get my holy grail wheel.

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I really wonder if the uncored 93 is a completely different formula to the uncored 95a. Because it sounds like the uncored 95a should just be a slightly harder variant of the uncored 93a, but my uncored v1 95a definitely don't cut it at all for certain slappies, grinds and slides on certain materials whereas everyone is saying that the uncored 93as work very well (even though the cored 93as I got were definitely too soft, like a cruiser wheel).

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I mean so far only the 93a "Dragons" look like they're close to release so it could be they're still tweaking the harder formulas. I got a set of the cored 93a too and they felt 90% similar to the uncored ones. Maybe in the cored sets the formula is slightly different or the core could throw off the feel. What about the 95a uncored was giving you issues?

I think you're both onto something... The color variance between all these wheels is wild and all over the place. The 93a cored are darker than the 93a uncored. The 95a cored are similar in color to the 93a uncored. The 97a cored are bright white.

It's kind of all over the place, but there is definitely some major variance between the cored and uncored. I'm not sure why there are some slappers in here trying to confidently claim otherwise without evidence.

I think it's best we wait and see the full releases and compare. If these green dragons are exactly like the 56mm V6 V6 then I will be a happy camper. Still haven't gotten tossed by a pebble while riding these things for over a month straight through crusty parking lots.

[FuzzGNU]

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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.

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Maybe skate faster. Sounds like you're the only one not going fast enough to grind in this thread. I know skateboarding is scary, but I believe in you.

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Definitely not the only one. I skate plenty fast and notice the same issues, just not as versatile as f4s in basically every way that involves any degree of slide. I'd go out on a limb and say that either your coreless 93as are basically a completely different wheel to the cored 93 or coreless 95 that I was sent (which is entirely possible), or you haven't tested them out on nearly enough of a range of scenarios and obstacles to notice some of these differences.

Yeah, it's exactly this.

I was just giving him shit because he doesn't seem to have the functioning logic part of the brain that you have.

[tzhangdox]

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I think what will kill them is that they don't live up to the claims of 2 Slap posters who only seem to talk about them rolling on rough ground. It seems for grinding, slides, and smooth surface speed they're not providing an advantage over the current market leaders.

[close]

Maybe skate faster. Sounds like you're the only one not going fast enough to grind in this thread. I know skateboarding is scary, but I believe in you.

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Definitely not the only one. I skate plenty fast and notice the same issues, just not as versatile as f4s in basically every way that involves any degree of slide. I'd go out on a limb and say that either your coreless 93as are basically a completely different wheel to the cored 93 or coreless 95 that I was sent (which is entirely possible), or you haven't tested them out on nearly enough of a range of scenarios and obstacles to notice some of these differences.

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Yeah, it's exactly this.

I was just giving him shit because he doesn't seem to have the functioning logic part of the brain that you have.

I mean maybe I'll eat my words in the future, but I just can't imagine the coreless 93as being thaaat different to the coreless 95s or the cored 93s, especially when in theory they'd be softer than the cored 93s which are already plenty soft, so I think for those of us that tried the cored 93s and coreless 95s, the skepticism is warranted.

Also, when you talk about slide what exactly are you referring to? You say they slide and grind fine, but have you done pinched/crooked grinds, nose/tail/bluntslides on different types of ledges (concrete, wood, plastic, metal coped etc), and done grinds on round bars to see how the drag is? Different types of curbs, concrete and painted etc?

Because if you haven't, you can't really conclude, as you have, that they're even nearly as versatile as f4s in the grind/slide regard.