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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10560 on: October 03, 2021, 09:19:06 AM »
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
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I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
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Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.
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I wanted be an ace guy. But I came back to Indy and Iím happy. Hollow or ti indys with the standard baseplate is great my old legs can last now and Indy grind so well.
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Running some Indy cast hollows ATM and they feel pretty perfect. Glad they're a regular offering. Just ordered some mid hollows and am curious to try them as well.
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SoCal

https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html
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i'm guessing these are just hollow kingpins as they don't show the axles
kind of a disappointment

edit: they don't show the kingpins either >:(
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Hollow axle, solid kingpin. Saw a pic but I can't remember where.
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I saw it too!
It is hollow axle.
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I didn't see anything on the NHS site. Anyone know how much these weigh?

386g vs 402g for 144s IIRC, but don't quote me. Would basically put the mids back down to standard weight if correct.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10561 on: October 03, 2021, 09:30:29 AM »
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Just survived another bout of truck madness. I need a note on my mirror, so I see it every morning:
"Face it, you're an Indy guy"

Its nice to try other shit out, but I need to just accept it for what it is
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I feel you. I believe deep down inside I'm an indy guy...they're just so fucking heavy, Ti included compared to everything else but ACE ,and these legs need all the help they can get.
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Maybe I need to step out of ye olde standard and get some hollows? I've never tried any Indys but regular. I fear change.
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I wanted be an ace guy. But I came back to Indy and Iím happy. Hollow or ti indys with the standard baseplate is great my old legs can last now and Indy grind so well.
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Running some Indy cast hollows ATM and they feel pretty perfect. Glad they're a regular offering. Just ordered some mid hollows and am curious to try them as well.
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Where?
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SoCal

https://socalskateshop.com/Independent-144mm-Andrew-Reynolds-Hollow-Pro-Mid-Skateboard-Trucks-Silver.html
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i'm guessing these are just hollow kingpins as they don't show the axles
kind of a disappointment

edit: they don't show the kingpins either >:(
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Hollow axle, solid kingpin. Saw a pic but I can't remember where.
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I saw it too!
It is hollow axle.
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I didn't see anything on the NHS site. Anyone know how much these weigh?

It wasnít on their accounts. I think it was a skateshop.
Not sure about the weight but, I could see it bringing it back to a regular high truck as mids are heavier because of the special lock.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10562 on: October 04, 2021, 09:10:41 AM »
... as mids are heavier because of the special lock.

And the hanger is thicker.  They needed to up the kingpin clearance so they added more material.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10563 on: October 04, 2021, 09:32:43 AM »
Are you supposed to run Bones bushings with boardside washers? I put in flat washers on the boardside too but theyre kinda hard to crank down now. Noticed they only come with 2 washers instead of 4

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10564 on: October 04, 2021, 09:39:18 AM »
Are you supposed to run Bones bushings with boardside washers? I put in flat washers on the boardside too but theyre kinda hard to crank down now. Noticed they only come with 2 washers instead of 4

The washers they supply go under the nut, and the boardside bushing sits right on the baseplate. However, at least with Indys you need another washer under the boardside bushing to preserve the truckís geometry. I think itís best with Bones flat washer under the boardside bushing, and original Indy washer under the nut.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10565 on: October 04, 2021, 09:43:52 AM »
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Are you supposed to run Bones bushings with boardside washers? I put in flat washers on the boardside too but theyre kinda hard to crank down now. Noticed they only come with 2 washers instead of 4
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The washers they supply go under the nut, and the boardside bushing sits right on the hangar. However, at least with Indys you need another washer under the boardside bushing to preserve the truckís geometry. I think itís best with Bones flat washer under the boardside bushing, and original Indy washer under the nut.

On Indy I take the original nut side washer and put it board side (because it is smaller than the normal Indy boardside), then use the thin Bones on the nut side.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10566 on: October 04, 2021, 03:03:17 PM »
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Are you supposed to run Bones bushings with boardside washers? I put in flat washers on the boardside too but theyre kinda hard to crank down now. Noticed they only come with 2 washers instead of 4
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The washers they supply go under the nut, and the boardside bushing sits right on the hangar. However, at least with Indys you need another washer under the boardside bushing to preserve the truckís geometry. I think itís best with Bones flat washer under the boardside bushing, and original Indy washer under the nut.

You actually don't need to put a washer on the bottom when using bones, on Indy. They are close enough to where you don't need to worry about it.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10567 on: October 04, 2021, 03:15:28 PM »
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Are you supposed to run Bones bushings with boardside washers? I put in flat washers on the boardside too but theyre kinda hard to crank down now. Noticed they only come with 2 washers instead of 4
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The washers they supply go under the nut, and the boardside bushing sits right on the hangar baseplate. However, at least with Indys you need another washer under the boardside bushing to preserve the truckís geometry. I think itís best with Bones flat washer under the boardside bushing, and original Indy washer under the nut.
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You actually don't need to put a washer on the bottom when using bones, on Indy. They are close enough to where you don't need to worry about it.

Thanks for the correction, fixed it in my post. As for the washer, putting it there matches the distance pretty much exactly to stock bushings so why not.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10568 on: October 05, 2021, 08:29:56 AM »
For people asking about the Indy Reynolds mid hollows weight, from what I've seen they are:

129=368g
139=376g
144=386g
149=392g
159=395g

vs classics:

129=367g
139=376g
144=387g
149=394g
159=402g

So they do seem to put the mids back at classic weight or slightly under.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10569 on: October 05, 2021, 09:19:09 AM »
Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10570 on: October 05, 2021, 09:45:56 AM »
Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

Yes.

For me at least, to get the similar feel of trucks, I have Indy on 14.5 wb boards, then Thunder and Venture on 14.38 wb, so when set up with bushings how I like them, they will actually behave much the same for all three.  I can make all of them turn in a relatively small circle fairly easily without having shakey loose trucks, but I definitely feel the difference if I have all three brands on the same size board / same wheelbase.

Ace is a different story, but I prefer them on other boards, such as longer cruiser shapes anyway, which usually have longer wheelbases, so it again follows the pattern, as they have the shortest wheelbase of all of them.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10571 on: October 05, 2021, 11:10:57 AM »
Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

when I skated thunder 149 hollows I felt I could get away with skating quite long wheelbases due to them beeing so light

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10572 on: October 05, 2021, 11:29:18 AM »
Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

Yes, this is the way.

It's funny, lots of people will say "I need a short WB but ride Ventures or Thunders" which essentially extend your WB; For me, riding a 14" WB, Thunders or Ventures is a must.

In opposite world, I always ride Indys or ACE on 14.3x or larger Wheelbases (currently on 14.3WB with Indy ti).
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10573 on: October 05, 2021, 03:58:37 PM »
Can't figure out how to search for this specific issue but - do any of yall run thunders on decks with super short WB to mitigate the way Thunders extend it?

Thunders on 14-14.25"
Indy on 14.25-14.5"
Ace on 14.5" and up


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10574 on: October 05, 2021, 04:26:58 PM »
Had the weirdest thing happen to me while skating the other day. Riding an oldish pair of Indy 149s with older bushings. While I was pushing it felt like my front truck was turning to the toe side. Pushing regular turning right. I never had to position my front foot straight to avoid turning and all of a sudden I felt I had to do this to keep from loosing speed and veering sideways.

I keep my trucks stock tight and change out the bushings and pivot cups as needed. I donít see any major wear on either but should I just change out pivot cup and bushings to see what happens? Also, bolts are tight. Is it worth moving to bones medium or something else? Iím currently using 90a barrel Indys. Iím concerned since Bones are conical that they will be even less stable.

Iím riding 60 mm wheels on 1/4Ē risers but I canít imagine that being higher off the ground is an issue. Maybe Iím beginning to loose my balance but Iím not willing to admit that yet.

Thoughts?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10575 on: October 05, 2021, 06:20:02 PM »
Had the weirdest thing happen to me while skating the other day. Riding an oldish pair of Indy 149s with older bushings. While I was pushing it felt like my front truck was turning to the toe side. Pushing regular turning right. I never had to position my front foot straight to avoid turning and all of a sudden I felt I had to do this to keep from loosing speed and veering sideways.

I keep my trucks stock tight and change out the bushings and pivot cups as needed. I donít see any major wear on either but should I just change out pivot cup and bushings to see what happens? Also, bolts are tight. Is it worth moving to bones medium or something else? Iím currently using 90a barrel Indys. Iím concerned since Bones are conical that they will be even less stable.

Iím riding 60 mm wheels on 1/4Ē risers but I canít imagine that being higher off the ground is an issue. Maybe Iím beginning to loose my balance but Iím not willing to admit that yet.

Thoughts?

Has this setup been ok for however long and only now having this or is this a newly setup board?


Push the board out in front and see if it turns on its own.

Turn the board around and push the same way but with the tail at the front, seeing if something is different then too.

Pivot cups splitting can cause weird turns to one side, as can trucks that are mounted crooked or even boards that are not drilled straight, or even bushings that have split or similar things, to which I have often checked or rotated bushings, eg draw a dot or line on them where they are in place, then loosen off the truck and turn the bushing round so the line is now facing the other way and see if that changes anything.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10576 on: October 05, 2021, 06:36:49 PM »
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when I skated thunder 149 hollows I felt I could get away with skating quite long wheelbases due to them beeing so light

Thatís what Iím running now and I agree. If you have a wider stance, it might feel more comfortable with a longer wheelbase.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10577 on: October 05, 2021, 07:08:08 PM »
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Yes, this is the way.

It's funny, lots of people will say "I need a short WB but ride Ventures or Thunders" which essentially extend your WB; For me, riding a 14" WB, Thunders or Ventures is a must.

In opposite world, I always ride Indys or ACE on 14.3x or larger Wheelbases (currently on 14.3WB with Indy ti).

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Thunders on 14-14.25"
Indy on 14.25-14.5"
Ace on 14.5" and up


Truth, though I am having a decent time on Venture 5.2L V-Hollows on a 14.25 WB. Only problem it the deck is an 8.0.

Length factors in too, short boards like Baker 8.0 x 31.5 x 14.25 would be unrideable (to me) on Ventures, tail would feel microscopic.


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10578 on: October 05, 2021, 08:01:45 PM »
I've skated 14.5 on ventures and it was honestly fine. Though I do prefer 14.25 or 14.38 overall by a lil bit. I wouldn't trip too much about the wheelbase as long as its not wayyyy out of your comfort zone.

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« Reply #10579 on: October 05, 2021, 09:58:26 PM »
To echo the above posterís point Iím a giant baby and perfectionist about my shit bag of tricks and recently skated Venture on 14.38 when they were on 14.25 before. They felt solid other than back tails. I put on my 149 forged hollows, which measure +3.19 instead of +3.25 and there might be a marginal difference in back tails but itís likely mental.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10580 on: October 06, 2021, 04:27:55 PM »
why do bushings harden as they break in?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10581 on: October 06, 2021, 04:45:13 PM »
why do bushings harden as they break in?

Compression? Urethane will harden overtime and the majority of the hardening takes place in the first six months.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10582 on: October 14, 2021, 06:45:33 AM »
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why do bushings harden as they break in?
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Compression? Urethane will harden overtime and the majority of the hardening takes place in the first six months.

So it's all about the compression? I bought two sets of Indy 92A blue cylinder bushings two or three months ago. Mounted one set, thought they were too soft but rode them for a few sessions, shelved them. Put them on again a month or so later, perfect! If anything, a bit too hard now. Thought I was tripping. Mounted the other set on my second setup today. Again, feels too soft. The difference between the ones I have been riding for a few weeks now and the fresh ones is night and day. If it was hardening over time, wouldn't the set I had lying around since I bought them also have hardened a bit?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10583 on: October 14, 2021, 11:27:53 AM »
alright, tensor mag atg or Indy titanium? I want to try something new.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10584 on: October 14, 2021, 11:31:19 AM »
alright, tensor mag atg or Indy titanium? I want to try something new.
Have both - Indy Titanium imo

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10585 on: October 14, 2021, 11:42:36 AM »
alright, tensor mag atg or Indy titanium? I want to try something new.

Assuming that you have already skated Indys, the titaniums are nothing special. They're just a lighter Indy truck. I have them and they're great, but if you're looking for something different, I'd go Tenson Mag.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10586 on: October 14, 2021, 03:37:03 PM »
Thanks guys. Iíd have put theeve in there too, but to find a v3 titanium truck right now is looking pretty difficult.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10587 on: October 14, 2021, 07:08:55 PM »
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alright, tensor mag atg or Indy titanium? I want to try something new.
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Assuming that you have already skated Indys, the titaniums are nothing special. They're just a lighter Indy truck. I have them and they're great, but if you're looking for something different, I'd go Tenson Mag.

Indys by design are very heavy, and going lighter definitely changes up that core aspect of an Indy truck. I would think of it as an enhanced (lighter) Indy. A friend of mine recently went from Standard to Hollow Forged and his feedback was he's less tired popping his tricks and his flips have gotten significantly higher. But landings can be a more squirrel-y because of the lower baseplate.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10588 on: October 14, 2021, 08:54:11 PM »
I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10589 on: October 14, 2021, 09:47:34 PM »
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why do bushings harden as they break in?
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Compression? Urethane will harden overtime and the majority of the hardening takes place in the first six months.
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So it's all about the compression? I bought two sets of Indy 92A blue cylinder bushings two or three months ago. Mounted one set, thought they were too soft but rode them for a few sessions, shelved them. Put them on again a month or so later, perfect! If anything, a bit too hard now. Thought I was tripping. Mounted the other set on my second setup today. Again, feels too soft. The difference between the ones I have been riding for a few weeks now and the fresh ones is night and day. If it was hardening over time, wouldn't the set I had lying around since I bought them also have hardened a bit?


I feel like many used bushings that have not been used for a while end up feeling a lot harder than others of the same age if still new in package.

This is most likely the case for you as well.  Some older well used bushings of various brands have almost seemed too hard now, but as said, urethane ages and hardens up some, so bushings just like wheels harden up and yellow under various lighting, even if still in the package, the only difference being bushings are usually various colours, so you don't notice anywhere near as much as white / natural coloured wheels.



I bought some barely used forged hollows and the dude didnt know they were ti's. I kinda don't like how light they are, would never buy, but they prob weigh what a Thunder Team Hollow does and those don't feel "too light"

The axle metal is a bit more blue tinged if titanium, but the best way to check is with a magnet, as titanium is not magnetic, but steel is.

That worked on a set of titanium Indy and Thunder I had floating round.

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