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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11700 on: September 25, 2022, 09:09:29 PM »
Thanks for the answers guys

Iím not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

TallÖway too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 arenít far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup Iím starting to grow less ashamed about?

Itís the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucksÖ :P

Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11701 on: September 25, 2022, 09:25:58 PM »
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Thanks for the answers guys

Iím not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

TallÖway too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 arenít far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup Iím starting to grow less ashamed about?

Itís the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucksÖ :P
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Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?

I would agree with the ML but I recently set mine up again and the bushings were straight ass. Didn't fit the yoke and my trucks were rattling so badly I thought I was riding without pivot cups. Didn't help the pivot cups are hard plastic, swapping to generic pivot cups didn't help either and the hanger was wiggling around like crazy.

Edit: huge bummer, they had an excellent pinch
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Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88Ē - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85Ē- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09Ē - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04Ē - 51.82m

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11702 on: September 26, 2022, 10:19:37 AM »
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Thanks for the answers guys

Iím not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

TallÖway too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 arenít far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup Iím starting to grow less ashamed about?

Itís the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucksÖ :P
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Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?
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I would agree with the ML but I recently set mine up again and the bushings were straight ass. Didn't fit the yoke and my trucks were rattling so badly I thought I was riding without pivot cups. Didn't help the pivot cups are hard plastic, swapping to generic pivot cups didn't help either and the hanger was wiggling around like crazy.

Edit: huge bummer, they had an excellent pinch

It's been a minute but yeah, those cups are hard af...if I recall even && mentioned that the ML 'hardware' wasn't great..FWIW the tensor cups fit well and of course swapping to ACE bushings ;)

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11703 on: September 26, 2022, 12:19:59 PM »
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Thanks for the answers guys

Iím not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

TallÖway too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 arenít far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup Iím starting to grow less ashamed about?

Itís the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucksÖ :P
[close]

Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?
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I would agree with the ML but I recently set mine up again and the bushings were straight ass. Didn't fit the yoke and my trucks were rattling so badly I thought I was riding without pivot cups. Didn't help the pivot cups are hard plastic, swapping to generic pivot cups didn't help either and the hanger was wiggling around like crazy.

Edit: huge bummer, they had an excellent pinch
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It's been a minute but yeah, those cups are hard af...if I recall even && mentioned that the ML 'hardware' wasn't great..FWIW the tensor cups fit well and of course swapping to ACE bushings ;)

$14 pivot cups for $28 trucks. 

https://www.riptidesports.com/pivot-cups/mini-logo-pivot-cup/

I have a set in mine - although I haven't skated my Mini Logo trucks in a couple years.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11704 on: September 26, 2022, 12:39:32 PM »
Iíve ridden standard Indys for as long as I can remember, but felt like switching it up and got some forged hollow 144s after reading great things about them. I love the lightness, but canít stand the wheelbite Iím getting. Iím a thin dude, ride spitfire conical full 53s, and like my trucks somewhat loose, but even then I never experienced wheelbite like this. No amount of tightening/loosening makes it feel better. I think this fucking baseplateís 2mm difference is killing me.

Should I try risers? Iíve long ridden them on my cruiser boards, but Iíve never needed them on my ďregularĒ board. I donít know what else to do, this shit is driving me insane.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11705 on: September 26, 2022, 01:46:56 PM »
Risers make them taller than Standards so I'd say get some Standard plates.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11706 on: September 26, 2022, 02:46:19 PM »
Iíve ridden standard Indys for as long as I can remember, but felt like switching it up and got some forged hollow 144s after reading great things about them. I love the lightness, but canít stand the wheelbite Iím getting. Iím a thin dude, ride spitfire conical full 53s, and like my trucks somewhat loose, but even then I never experienced wheelbite like this. No amount of tightening/loosening makes it feel better. I think this fucking baseplateís 2mm difference is killing me.

Should I try risers? Iíve long ridden them on my cruiser boards, but Iíve never needed them on my ďregularĒ board. I donít know what else to do, this shit is driving me insane.

Try some 1/16 Ace pads. Should get you close to standard height.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11707 on: September 26, 2022, 07:01:00 PM »
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Thanks for the answers guys

Iím not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

TallÖway too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 arenít far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup Iím starting to grow less ashamed about?

Itís the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucksÖ :P
[close]

Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?
[close]

I would agree with the ML but I recently set mine up again and the bushings were straight ass. Didn't fit the yoke and my trucks were rattling so badly I thought I was riding without pivot cups. Didn't help the pivot cups are hard plastic, swapping to generic pivot cups didn't help either and the hanger was wiggling around like crazy.

Edit: huge bummer, they had an excellent pinch
[close]

It's been a minute but yeah, those cups are hard af...if I recall even && mentioned that the ML 'hardware' wasn't great..FWIW the tensor cups fit well and of course swapping to ACE bushings ;)
[close]

$14 pivot cups for $28 trucks. 

https://www.riptidesports.com/pivot-cups/mini-logo-pivot-cup/

I have a set in mine - although I haven't skated my Mini Logo trucks in a couple years.

No thanks, I don't like them THAT much.
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88Ē - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85Ē- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09Ē - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04Ē - 51.82m

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11708 on: September 26, 2022, 07:41:01 PM »
Itís sick there are bushings that cost more than the trucks and psychopaths that are willing to buy themÖ..

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11709 on: September 26, 2022, 07:55:59 PM »
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Thanks for the answers guys

Iím not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

TallÖway too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 arenít far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup Iím starting to grow less ashamed about?

Itís the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucksÖ :P
[close]

Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?
[close]

I would agree with the ML but I recently set mine up again and the bushings were straight ass. Didn't fit the yoke and my trucks were rattling so badly I thought I was riding without pivot cups. Didn't help the pivot cups are hard plastic, swapping to generic pivot cups didn't help either and the hanger was wiggling around like crazy.

Edit: huge bummer, they had an excellent pinch
[close]

It's been a minute but yeah, those cups are hard af...if I recall even && mentioned that the ML 'hardware' wasn't great..FWIW the tensor cups fit well and of course swapping to ACE bushings ;)
[close]

$14 pivot cups for $28 trucks. 

https://www.riptidesports.com/pivot-cups/mini-logo-pivot-cup/

I have a set in mine - although I haven't skated my Mini Logo trucks in a couple years.

Haha yeah you all got me

Currently riding

8.2 krooked full shape
Mini logo raw 8.38
Stock pivot cups
Mini logo 94a orange bushings upgrade
Powell dragon 52mm
Race reds

This setup is so good and total control idk what to think but this is it until I need a reminder

I ride tight rather than medium or trying to be loose after the shame was washed away hearing Chris rise with the fallen zero 4 lyfe cole said he rides them tight

I was trying to hang but loose trucks did not save my life and I just canít pop for sake with no control, my ankles arenít built like you cool kats

Now Iím about to drop $14 for those green pivot cups

I like them that much and im psycho


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11710 on: September 26, 2022, 11:12:18 PM »
So Indy offers conical aftermarket bushings and I've never tried them so I'm finally going to pull the trigger. Conical being the same shape as bones bushings.

Anyways, I'm torn between the blue color (92a) or the red (88a). I'm a little over 200lbs and I can't ride super soft bushings, but hards take forever to break in, so I've always stuck with medium Bones. However, Indy's red ones which are considered soft, are 88a and not ridiculously soft like Bones' 81a. Anyone think I'd be good with the red ones, or should I not risk destroying them quickly and go with the blues?

The 88a get a bad rap on this forum, I like them/never had an issue with them. They are not 'soft' by any means and stiffer than say, an 88a supercush. Personally, I'd stick with the conical 92s since you are used to the bones med...as when they are fully broken in, they'll end up being a few duro softer feeling anyway.

No thanks, I don't like them THAT much.

For real...maybe if I was ML flow or something.

Since indy moved to china, I've stopped using riptides and just stick with stock as they're so much better now. Those NFG cups I picked up are still going strong tho, great replacement option.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11711 on: September 27, 2022, 05:57:22 AM »
Maybe not the right thread for this.

Why is it that a 149 feels different than a 144/148 with washers? I've got 4 washers on the inside of a 148 and my friend has the same bushings in 149. Weighs about the same, trucks have about the same kingpin threads showing, but his trucks feel definitely less twitchy. Only difference is he is on Spitfire classics. When we put the boards together the centerline of our wheels is super similar.

I've got a friend riding Indy's now that feels similar about his stacked 144 vs 149.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11712 on: September 27, 2022, 06:02:00 AM »
Maybe not the right thread for this.

Why is it that a 149 feels different than a 144/148 with washers? I've got 4 washers on the inside of a 148 and my friend has the same bushings in 149. Weighs about the same, trucks have about the same kingpin threads showing, but his trucks feel definitely less twitchy. Only difference is he is on Spitfire classics. When we put the boards together the centerline of our wheels is super similar.

I've got a friend riding Indy's now that feels similar about his stacked 144 vs 149.
It's probably something to do with the actual hanger being wider and not just the wheel to wheel length.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11713 on: September 27, 2022, 08:34:47 AM »
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Thanks for the answers guys

Iím not really trying to jump on the krux wagon until they come out with their own mids or lows cause as mentioned by all

TallÖway too tall and no turn, like a bizarro Indy

I wanted to see if anyone knew the Indy stage they used for reference for the krux geo so I can stick to whatever Indy or trucks that would be, but lower and better at turning

The Indy mids were nice but some days they feel heavy

I like my venture 5.6 but thunder 148 arenít far off on that style of turnability and wb and thunders are more versatile

I have 3 setups right now trying to ride each setup on rotation to gauge what actually gives me the most consistency, confidence and ease

Should I reveal the dark secret of my current favorite setup Iím starting to grow less ashamed about?

Itís the setup most slappers agree with the design and geo but not the brand and look ::)

I got my deck shape on lock of what I want but always coming back to what trucksÖ :P
[close]

Just say no to Krux and yes to ML?
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I would agree with the ML but I recently set mine up again and the bushings were straight ass. Didn't fit the yoke and my trucks were rattling so badly I thought I was riding without pivot cups. Didn't help the pivot cups are hard plastic, swapping to generic pivot cups didn't help either and the hanger was wiggling around like crazy.

Edit: huge bummer, they had an excellent pinch
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It's been a minute but yeah, those cups are hard af...if I recall even && mentioned that the ML 'hardware' wasn't great..FWIW the tensor cups fit well and of course swapping to ACE bushings ;)


I put Generic indy pivots in my MLís and they seemed loads better, although they are the slightly older model with the stamp on the hanger

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11714 on: September 28, 2022, 07:02:25 PM »
Whatís the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

Iíve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but Iím never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11715 on: September 28, 2022, 07:59:01 PM »
On the top the washer hits the hanger on Thunder and Venture so a flat allows for a bit more turn. On Indy I didn't notice much but I thought Bones sucked on Indy so I ditched them fast.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11716 on: September 28, 2022, 08:25:23 PM »
Whatís the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

Iíve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but Iím never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?

flat washer or no washer on the bottom gives less resistance to your turn. On top it gives less rebound.
I always run flat washers, and just switch bushings if something doesn't feel right.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11717 on: September 28, 2022, 10:02:34 PM »
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Whatís the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

Iíve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but Iím never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?
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flat washer or no washer on the bottom gives less resistance to your turn. On top it gives less rebound.
I always run flat washers, and just switch bushings if something doesn't feel right.


I was curious and got a ten pack of flat washers from a hardware store and they sure did make everything feel so much looser.

They were also about half the height of the metal of the regular washers, so even that will make everything feel so different to normal washers as well.

I talk too much about skateboards.  Sorry.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11718 on: September 29, 2022, 03:05:32 AM »
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Whatís the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

Iíve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but Iím never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?
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flat washer or no washer on the bottom gives less resistance to your turn. On top it gives less rebound.
I always run flat washers, and just switch bushings if something doesn't feel right.
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I was curious and got a ten pack of flat washers from a hardware store and they sure did make everything feel so much looser.

They were also about half the height of the metal of the regular washers, so even that will make everything feel so different to normal washers as well.

It always amazes me how meticulous stuff can be.
The same way that athletes like Kobe shed MMS on the soles of their shoes to how an 8.25 and an 8.5 can feel largely different blows my mind. Or how a flat washer affects turning. But you can adjust to shitty gear, it makes me like skateboarding that much more.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11719 on: September 29, 2022, 11:30:39 AM »
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Whatís the logic/purpose of not running the cupped washers underneath/on top of the top & bottom bushing?

Iíve done this before, as well as with the bones replacement flat washers, but Iím never actually sure what it does.

Any advantage to having the flat washer?
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flat washer or no washer on the bottom gives less resistance to your turn. On top it gives less rebound.
I always run flat washers, and just switch bushings if something doesn't feel right.
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I was curious and got a ten pack of flat washers from a hardware store and they sure did make everything feel so much looser.

They were also about half the height of the metal of the regular washers, so even that will make everything feel so different to normal washers as well.
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It always amazes me how meticulous stuff can be.
The same way that athletes like Kobe shed MMS on the soles of their shoes to how an 8.25 and an 8.5 can feel largely different blows my mind. Or how a flat washer affects turning. But you can adjust to shitty gear, it makes me like skateboarding that much more.



It really is crazy. Pretty interesting though, the madness can really set in.

So from what you all have said, it generally makes the truck a bit ďlooserĒ feeling. I assume the rebound means how quick it snaps back to straight correct? I guess it just allows the truck carve and turn a bit more by not having a cupped washer cradle the bushing all around.

I remember once on my Indyís with bones bushings, I grinded down the truck and kingpin so much that on super dipped smiths/feebles (most noticeable on pool coping) the flat washer and bushing itself was starting to tear and blow out.

Iím really liking my setup now: thunder team hollows, stock bushing on top and red thunder 97a on bottom, stock washers on both.

Truck tightness is so subjective, but If my trucks were a steak it would be a medium rare
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11720 on: September 29, 2022, 11:48:32 AM »
I've never encountered (or read on this forum until now) any washer binding with Thunders? That's a thing now? Venture for sure...

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11721 on: September 29, 2022, 11:52:55 AM »
I think a big part of why people like bones bushings is because of the washer, not the bushingÖ.

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« Reply #11722 on: September 29, 2022, 12:26:11 PM »
I think a big part of why people like bones bushings is because of the washer, not the bushingÖ.

I've never used the washers on top since they added them; usually I'll put it on the bottom to keep stock geo...except tensors, they're a prefect fit without washers and do the truck wonders.

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« Reply #11723 on: September 30, 2022, 12:49:02 AM »
I've never encountered (or read on this forum until now) any washer binding with Thunders? That's a thing now? Venture for sure...


Iím sure my top washer is binding on my 148ís. Have a horizontal, sharp groove around where the kingpin nut is both sides. I assumed itís where the washer is stopping the turn from maxing out?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11724 on: September 30, 2022, 02:03:09 AM »
I realized that my 147s definitely bind some time ago, too. I currently have ~46-47 (i don't have a caliper rn) worn down lil smokies conical fulls on them, so that might explain it, but I have been "noticing" it for a while. I just wondered that I got minimal wheel bite marks on the last deck, even though I did the usual amount of crookeds/smiths etc,  and investigated.
The marks on the hanger are visible and the washer gets in contact with the hanger quite a bit before wheel bite, but it is really hard to measure or get photos of it.I doesn't feel bad or limiting for me in terms of pinch/turn though. It is definitely not venture level and I don't feel like messing around with a flat washer since I am currently content with my trucks and swapping wheels is somewhat overdue anyways.
I guess it might start to happen with wheels around ~50mm on 148s and above since they are taller and wheel bite later or when using risers.

tl;dr
Definetely binds with ~46-47mm on 147s and it has been a while.
Conclusion: Might be the case with ~50mm on the larger trucks as well or when using risers, but I cannot verify.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11725 on: September 30, 2022, 06:51:51 AM »
I've never encountered (or read on this forum until now) any washer binding with Thunders? That's a thing now? Venture for sure...

Always has been for me, not like Venture. I'll grab a pic if I can figure out how to not be a boomer.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11726 on: September 30, 2022, 06:58:46 AM »
Of course it has.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11727 on: September 30, 2022, 07:16:13 AM »


2 months of skating, always happens, not a big deal. But apparently only happens to me on my super tight trucks.

You just live to be a douche to me even if, given the option, you could just be normal and realize that someone posted the same experience right above me.

If you just look in the setup thread at skated setups or at pro boards you'll see the same thing. It's bizarre you haven't.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11728 on: September 30, 2022, 01:35:05 PM »
Wow, pretty interesting. I assume this only happened (top washer getting pinched against the hanger) when your doing tricks like super pinched krooks, or if you ride shakey loose and have a heavy pinch for 5-0ís and smith/feebles.

That helps me visualize why a flat washer might help give the truck more turn. On top of the bushing itself having more room and freedom to turn by not being cupped by the stock washers.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #11729 on: September 30, 2022, 02:17:43 PM »
I do a good amount of curb and slappy skating and pinched crooks and 5-0s are my go-to. But unlike Venture my bushing never blows.

You can see it on de Bobby's trucks clearly here- the marks on the sides of the hanger bushing cup: