Truck set-ups

[B0udoir]

Yeah Indy’s sell the most cause of that golden slogan “ride the best” And “preferred by the pros” but I feel thunders give the best performance and feel, you know ??

Everybody knows that "Ride the best" and “preferred by the pros” are just lies to sell. However I have experienced that "loose trucks save lives" is absolutely true in practice !

[rob]

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Yeah Indy’s sell the most cause of that golden slogan “ride the best” And “preferred by the pros” but I feel thunders give the best performance and feel, you know ??

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Everybody knows that "Ride the best" and “preferred by the pros” are just lies to sell. However I have experienced that "loose trucks save lives" is absolutely true in practice !

No doubt lies but hey the riders and the slogan definitely sell

Is drives the truck madness when your watching some grant Taylor or tony hawk and you just wanna run outside and get some air riding like them by riding what they ride

Which are Indy’s

But honestly, what’s best I’ve found out is

Ride what you think is the coolest brand and set them up/tune them to your preference

Or

Find the trucks that actually groove with your style and skating, if ventures help you land more flat ground and that’s what you like to skate then stick to them and everything else will come

We all wanna ride like our fav pros and have a similar setup so we can imagine now a 900 is easier but at the end of the day the set up that will keep you consistent is the ones above, either hyped and tuned or configured from the get go to your skating

[dirtjers]

Grew up on Venture Lows and made the switch to Indy in probably 2005. My introduction to Indy was the stage 9 (and eventually 10) geometry. When the 11's came out I disliked them so much I became an eBay dweller buying up all the NOS 9's & 10's. I don't ride tight trucks at all, but there is something about the stability of those trucks that's honestly probably rooted in my origins with Venture. Don't skate much transition (mostly ledges/manuals/ street stuff) so I like how they feel stable when you're popping but turn when you want them to... instead of just being super squirlly.

Anyways, grabbed a pair of the 5.6 Venture Highs this last weekend. "New truck/going all over the place/ weird stage" was over in about 20 minutes. Bushings are a little stiff still but once they break in a little I really think they'll end up feeling like a good set of Independent Stage 10, which, I guess is not a popular thing for people on here - but always felt "default / right" to me.

Ben's logic about riding them with a small wheel base makes sense, especially for people looking for Venture to replace the modern day Independent Stage 11 turn. I have them on a 14.38 WB (which I also preferred with my Indys) and it feels awesome to me. I'm only a year or so in to WB consciousness, but I'm just shy of 6foot with really wide shoulders and the extra bit actually seemed to help. Really solid square pop and response.

Definitely think there's going to be a niche of people who really like these, but they're never going to turn like an Ace or something. Ben hit the nail on the head when he said how you feel about them is going to be based on what you're actually looking to replace. If you were a fan of the Indy geo from the 03-2012....these could be for you. If you thought the stage 11 was a gift from god it'll be a harder switch...and if you are super stoked on Ace.... these won't be what you want at all.

I don't know where I stand yet, but they're way better than I expected so far so I was compelled to comment ha!

[Xen]

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Ben Degros reviewing ventures.  Turning just fine for him

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More power to the folks who can make them work, truly. I gave the 5.8's a try about a year and a half ago, for about a solid 2 months. I could not get them to work for me or the way I skated. I think Venture's sick. Great branding. Tons of pros I back, but I couldn't do it. I'm against truisms when it comes to gear, so I'd never write them off completely, but for me, they didn't work.

[ballintoohard]

I do have a 14.125 board I could theoretically try them on that currently has Thunders, but I am not sure how they will be different. It's worth it, but honestly I don't want to have to completely change shapes since it took so long to find a solid sweet spot. Going down to a 14in wheelbase would mean skating 31.5ish boards at 6 foot 3, which feels fucking weird.

I literally have them on one of Bobby's decks and he's obviously the shit so more power to him. IIRC he likes tighter trucks anyways, so I doubt he notices a whole lot once he gets the balance point solid.

[j....soy.....]

'Fine' and 'adequate'.....do any of you guys even speak Canadian?  You know what that means right coming from a bunch of socialists? 

are ventures still 100% made in the US? 

I'm always wondering when he talks about trucks popping like while the geometry favours one truck, I've found with thunders at least...being lower, I find less whiffing than other trucks. 

[dirtjers]

I do have a 14.125 board I could theoretically try them on that currently has Thunders, but I am not sure how they will be different. It's worth it, but honestly I don't want to have to completely change shapes since it took so long to find a solid sweet spot. Going down to a 14in wheelbase would mean skating 31.5ish boards at 6 foot 3, which feels fucking weird.

I literally have them on one of Bobby's decks and he's obviously the shit so more power to him. IIRC he likes tighter trucks anyways, so I doubt he notices a whole lot once he gets the balance point solid.

Unless you're looking for a super surfy, ace-y feel (which you might be), i don't think Ben's WB point is as dramatic as it might seem. However i think he said it best when he said it really depends on what truck you're looking for venture to replace.

At least speaking for the timing/pop, 14.38 with the ventures feels on par or better than with my indys. i'm 3 inches shorter than you, and so far it's felt like i have way less potential for airfeet on something like ollies/nollies into grinds because i can fully extend my ollie/nollie.

i have them at factory setting, and i do think the bushings have to break in a bit more before i can fully co-sign them. but if these are anything like indys, after the first week everything settles and breaks in a little more... that's usually when i do a tighten on each truck to make them feel right. so in this case it should just naturally feel ok.

plus, thinking back... i always remember ishod running thunder 149s with the deluxe 8.25 shape.... that's the same thing. and he's the same if not shorter than you

[Diocletian]

Anyone here have any feedback on thunder stock bushings, mainly if the ones that come with the teams are any better or worse than the forged versions?

[saltusnaut]

Anyone here have any feedback on thunder stock bushings, mainly if the ones that come with the teams are any better or worse than the forged versions?

Last set of hollows had great bushings (white ones). Have a set of cast standard with transparent bluegreenish bushings that live in a box because the bushings are terrible. Way to hard, feels like something from a toystore complete

[sneakpeekmeek]

Anyone here have any feedback on thunder stock bushings, mainly if the ones that come with the teams are any better or worse than the forged versions?

Their aftermarket 94d bushings feel pretty. The washers from their rebuild kit is better than stock ones too as they don't cut up the bushings.

[camel filters]

Ventures just look like plastic trucks you get with toy store completes to me. Like the triangle shape just looks ugly. More power to you venture heads tho. More options is always good.

[the snake]

Good pivot cups are a thing too, almost as essential as good bushings, just put some white minilogo ones on my 149mm, they seem better quality than Indy aftermarket ones and more responsive, less dead plastic feeling

[ballintoohard]

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I do have a 14.125 board I could theoretically try them on that currently has Thunders, but I am not sure how they will be different. It's worth it, but honestly I don't want to have to completely change shapes since it took so long to find a solid sweet spot. Going down to a 14in wheelbase would mean skating 31.5ish boards at 6 foot 3, which feels fucking weird.

I literally have them on one of Bobby's decks and he's obviously the shit so more power to him. IIRC he likes tighter trucks anyways, so I doubt he notices a whole lot once he gets the balance point solid.

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Unless you're looking for a super surfy, ace-y feel (which you might be), i don't think Ben's WB point is as dramatic as it might seem. However i think he said it best when he said it really depends on what truck you're looking for venture to replace.

At least speaking for the timing/pop, 14.38 with the ventures feels on par or better than with my indys. i'm 3 inches shorter than you, and so far it's felt like i have way less potential for airfeet on something like ollies/nollies into grinds because i can fully extend my ollie/nollie.

i have them at factory setting, and i do think the bushings have to break in a bit more before i can fully co-sign them. but if these are anything like indys, after the first week everything settles and breaks in a little more... that's usually when i do a tighten on each truck to make them feel right. so in this case it should just naturally feel ok.

plus, thinking back... i always remember ishod running thunder 149s with the deluxe 8.25 shape.... that's the same thing. and he's the same if not shorter than you

I know historically that I liked Indy and Ace on my 14.38 WB Polars, and Indy/Thunders on my 14.25 WB decks. I have Thunders on a 14.125 now that is taking some getting used to. Overall I do like the Ace surf a bit for cruising/carving, but there were certain grinds that I never really liked them for for whatever reason and prefer Thunders.

So far my pop feels lower on the current Venture/14.38 setup. No matter how much I try, everything just feels lower altitude. I also kinda dislike my ability to adjust my line while pushing by weighting my front foot differently and I find the carving worse than my Thunders. I should probably try and persist, but I end up cutting sessions short because everything normal is so frustrating.

[Roisto]

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I do have a 14.125 board I could theoretically try them on that currently has Thunders, but I am not sure how they will be different. It's worth it, but honestly I don't want to have to completely change shapes since it took so long to find a solid sweet spot. Going down to a 14in wheelbase would mean skating 31.5ish boards at 6 foot 3, which feels fucking weird.

I literally have them on one of Bobby's decks and he's obviously the shit so more power to him. IIRC he likes tighter trucks anyways, so I doubt he notices a whole lot once he gets the balance point solid.

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Unless you're looking for a super surfy, ace-y feel (which you might be), i don't think Ben's WB point is as dramatic as it might seem. However i think he said it best when he said it really depends on what truck you're looking for venture to replace.

At least speaking for the timing/pop, 14.38 with the ventures feels on par or better than with my indys. i'm 3 inches shorter than you, and so far it's felt like i have way less potential for airfeet on something like ollies/nollies into grinds because i can fully extend my ollie/nollie.

i have them at factory setting, and i do think the bushings have to break in a bit more before i can fully co-sign them. but if these are anything like indys, after the first week everything settles and breaks in a little more... that's usually when i do a tighten on each truck to make them feel right. so in this case it should just naturally feel ok.

plus, thinking back... i always remember ishod running thunder 149s with the deluxe 8.25 shape.... that's the same thing. and he's the same if not shorter than you

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I know historically that I liked Indy and Ace on my 14.38 WB Polars, and Indy/Thunders on my 14.25 WB decks. I have Thunders on a 14.125 now that is taking some getting used to. Overall I do like the Ace surf a bit for cruising/carving, but there were certain grinds that I never really liked them for for whatever reason and prefer Thunders.

So far my pop feels lower on the current Venture/14.38 setup. No matter how much I try, everything just feels lower altitude. I also kinda dislike my ability to adjust my line while pushing by weighting my front foot differently and I find the carving worse than my Thunders. I should probably try and persist, but I end up cutting sessions short because everything normal is so frustrating.

Indy super soft bushings in Ventures and you’ll be steering one foot way easier than on stock Aces. It’s a nice combo.

[ballintoohard]

I'll try that maybe. Bones Mediums did almost nothing it seems.

[palelight]

Unless you're looking for a super surfy, ace-y feel (which you might be), i don't think Ben's WB point is as dramatic as it might seem. However i think he said it best when he said it really depends on what truck you're looking for venture to replace.

At least speaking for the timing/pop, 14.38 with the ventures feels on par or better than with my indys. i'm 3 inches shorter than you, and so far it's felt like i have way less potential for airfeet on something like ollies/nollies into grinds because i can fully extend my ollie/nollie.

i have them at factory setting, and i do think the bushings have to break in a bit more before i can fully co-sign them. but if these are anything like indys, after the first week everything settles and breaks in a little more... that's usually when i do a tighten on each truck to make them feel right. so in this case it should just naturally feel ok.

plus, thinking back... i always remember ishod running thunder 149s with the deluxe 8.25 shape.... that's the same thing. and he's the same if not shorter than you

This. I usually really like what he has to say about things. Goes in depth without going full tinfoil-hat, but this point in the video was pretty off. WB to the degree of +/- a half inch can have a pretty massive effect on your comfortability on a board, but is going to have pretty much no impact on how a truck functions. Putting Ventures on a 13.5" wheelbase won't suddenly make them Aces, nor putting Aces on a 15.5" wb make them feel like Ventures.

[ballintoohard]

Went back a few pages to the pictures and measurements of various trucks and had a fucked up moment:

I liked Ace's on an 8.5 Polar, which is 14.5WB and 17.25 total WB

I liked Indy's on an 8.25 deck, which is 14.25WB and 17.25 total WB

I like Thunders on an 8.28, which is 14.125WB and 17.25 total WB

I did not like Ventures on 8.25/14.25 or 8.06/14.38, which is 17.75 and 17.785 respectively. In order to like it I need a 14in wheelbase deck, or basically some of the Girl shapes.

[Diocletian]

Whoever has used the Krux kingpins in Thunder teams, do you find the Krux bushings allow the truck to turn the same as if it were stock? Or does it mellow out the turn? I want to make sure they turn as close to Ace as possible, so if I gotta use thunder bushings with the Krux pin I will, just wanna make sure it’ll all fit proper.

[palelight]

Went back a few pages to the pictures and measurements of various trucks and had a fucked up moment:

I liked Ace's on an 8.5 Polar, which is 14.5WB and 17.25 total WB

I liked Indy's on an 8.25 deck, which is 14.25WB and 17.25 total WB

I like Thunders on an 8.28, which is 14.125WB and 17.25 total WB

I did not like Ventures on 8.25/14.25 or 8.06/14.38, which is 17.75 and 17.785 respectively. In order to like it I need a 14in wheelbase deck, or basically some of the Girl shapes.

Same, except +.25 on the wheelbase for me. So, Thunders on a 14.25, Indy's on a 14.5 etc. You can pretty much be open to any truck as long as you figure out the math for the wheelbase. I definitely effed up a few times a couple years ago with much frustration. Like having Aces on Scumco with a 14" wheelbase and wanting to throw the board in a river after 5 minutes.

[texasplant]

I have a set of Forged Hollow 169’s which I kind of want to run Cast plates on them. Though the only cast plates I have are 149 Hollow. Will this mess with my geo?

Also curious how Ace baseplates would go on these 169 or even my 159. Will this shorten my wheelbase because of the ace plates?

[palelight]

I have a set of Forged Hollow 169’s which I kind of want to run Cast plates on them. Though the only cast plates I have are 149 Hollow. Will this mess with my geo?

Also curious how Ace baseplates would go on these 169 or even my 159. Will this shorten my wheelbase because of the ace plates?

Might get some different opinions on this. Many pages ago on this thread I said it would work fine (and it did for me), but the dude who tried it said they felt totally wrong. If you already have both sets of trucks, give it a try, see how it feels to you. I recently set up an 8.5 with some forged hollow 149's, wanted to see how 159's (normal cast) would work with the shape, swapped just the hangers and they felt ok to me (ended up going back to the 149's). YMMV.

[BMCsteve]

I have a set of Forged Hollow 169’s which I kind of want to run Cast plates on them. Though the only cast plates I have are 149 Hollow. Will this mess with my geo?

Also curious how Ace baseplates would go on these 169 or even my 159. Will this shorten my wheelbase because of the ace plates?

The baseplates have the same geometry.  the only difference is the cast is 1.5mm taller

[jtrpma]

I have a set of Forged Hollow 169’s which I kind of want to run Cast plates on them. Though the only cast plates I have are 149 Hollow. Will this mess with my geo?

Also curious how Ace baseplates would go on these 169 or even my 159. Will this shorten my wheelbase because of the ace plates?

the indy baseplates are interchangable and will not mess up anything, but the baseplate will dictate the feel,
so forged plate will feel like hollows no matter the hanger.

ace base plates and indy hangers you'll have to try and tinker with bushings to reach something that feels good for you.

I used to run a frankenstein pair of tensor low base with bullet hanger and indy bushings that felt like a dream, just took some time to figure out the right bushing/washer combo

[Reese]

The indy baseplates are interchangable and will not mess up anything, but the baseplate will dictate the feel,
so forged plate will feel like hollows no matter the hanger.

ace base plates and indy hangers you'll have to try and tinker with bushings to reach something that feels good for you.

I used to run a frankenstein pair of tensor low base with bullet hanger and indy bushings that felt like a dream, just took some time to figure out the right bushing/washer combo

You play with your food hella bad don't you?

Most I've ever done is try Indy soft bushings in indy 149's. The deep end of the turn has less resistance.. Exactly what I was looking for. Other than that, they aren't very different than the stock orange

[the snake]

Good pivot cups are a thing too, almost as essential as good bushings, just put some white minilogo ones on my 149mm, they seem better quality than Indy aftermarket ones and more responsive, less dead plastic feeling

Any thoughts/exp on that ?

[texasplant]

Speaking of Pivot cups, how much of a difference is there between Ace and Indy riptides?

[SneakySecrets]

Fellow truck nerds, does anyone know where I can get the venture 5.6 v-lights?

[Sativa Lung]

Fellow truck nerds, does anyone know where I can get the venture 5.6 v-lights?

You feel the pull.. it's almost magnetic. The irresistable force... you love your trucks, they've been great to you over the years. They've always been there, always supported you. Still, its eating away at you. You know deep down inside that somewhere out there, there's a truck that's just as pretty and rides the same way, but it's 20 grams lighter. That's almost a full ounce. Imagine what you could do with all that saved weight.

Now all you have to do.... is find it.

This summer, coming to a curb behind a grocery store near you.... SneakySecrets in "Truck Madness".

[franquietits]

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Unless you're looking for a super surfy, ace-y feel (which you might be), i don't think Ben's WB point is as dramatic as it might seem. However i think he said it best when he said it really depends on what truck you're looking for venture to replace.

At least speaking for the timing/pop, 14.38 with the ventures feels on par or better than with my indys. i'm 3 inches shorter than you, and so far it's felt like i have way less potential for airfeet on something like ollies/nollies into grinds because i can fully extend my ollie/nollie.

i have them at factory setting, and i do think the bushings have to break in a bit more before i can fully co-sign them. but if these are anything like indys, after the first week everything settles and breaks in a little more... that's usually when i do a tighten on each truck to make them feel right. so in this case it should just naturally feel ok.

plus, thinking back... i always remember ishod running thunder 149s with the deluxe 8.25 shape.... that's the same thing. and he's the same if not shorter than you

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This. I usually really like what he has to say about things. Goes in depth without going full tinfoil-hat, but this point in the video was pretty off. WB to the degree of +/- a half inch can have a pretty massive effect on your comfortability on a board, but is going to have pretty much no impact on how a truck functions. Putting Ventures on a 13.5" wheelbase won't suddenly make them Aces, nor putting Aces on a 15.5" wb make them feel like Ventures.

It's not just wheelbase, though. Pretty sure in one of his vids he mentioned the importance of deck "finger space" being a major contributing factor to how trucks feel on a deck. Eg: if u pair a set of ventures (or whatever tucks that push out the axle placement more) on a deck with short finger space, then the resulting yield leverage would be way too much; offsetting any finesse you'd get out of your ride.

It's kinda tricky to figure out the right combinations sometimes. Some decks are more tailor made for certain trucks than others. I just wish there was an easier way to measure that space. Looking down at your fingers & trying to figure out how many you can fit doesn't feel very accurate.

[franquietits]

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Good pivot cups are a thing too, almost as essential as good bushings, just put some white minilogo ones on my 149mm, they seem better quality than Indy aftermarket ones and more responsive, less dead plastic feeling

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Any thoughts/exp on that ?

Since they're under SkateOne Corp, they're probably bones bushing urethane without the plastic insert. Having used them both before it feels that way to me.