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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #210 on: May 15, 2023, 08:37:43 AM »
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while I've landed a handful of 360 flips out of luck many years ago, I'm super fucking happy to say I'm super close to having them dialed down. I know im gonna explode of joy once I land one.
I'm at that point where I can do them sorta "easy" first try, but I have yet to put my back foot on the board.
For some reason I can't coordinate the flipping + the jumping.
Same thing with nollie heel flips/ kick flips and switch heels/ kick flips. One foot off and one foot on the board, dammit.
Fucking back foot!!
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landing front foot only is a common problem that stems from leaning back whilst putting too much pressure on your back foot, and not jumping properly up, but jumping sort of backwards

you want to have equal weight on both your feet at the beginning of the trick, transfer all the weight from the front foot to your back foot, scoop & jump straight up while sucking both your feet upwards. if you watch slow motion treflips, your back foot pretty much needs to dodge the board, but most people including myself dont think of it that way, we just bring our foot upwards
That makes sense, thanks! Will keep this in mind next sesh and keep ya posted:)
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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #211 on: May 15, 2023, 02:41:41 PM »
More and more upside down un-landings with both feet on. was not really considering POP in this trick
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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #212 on: May 16, 2023, 04:31:20 PM »
More and more upside down un-landings with both feet on. was not really considering POP in this trick
yeye, you just need to really pop harder to get more time for the board to finish its rotation

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #213 on: May 18, 2023, 10:11:35 AM »
I'm gonna read back through the thread to look for more pointers, but in the meantime....

I'm taking a BA-style approach, wider stance, heavy scoop, lumbering bigfoot style.

I'm so damn close to landing one. Flip is fairly consistent, as in the board fully rotates about 70% of the time, and I can visualize actually sticking it. The main issue is getting my front foot to follow through. Back foot finds the back bolts just about every time the trick works, and I stomp my front foot right next to the heelside front wheel on the ground - hard enough to hurt my knee lol

I've workshopped the trick into doing the thing, but putting the finisher on it it being a bastard. Is it a leap of faith to jump out and catch it, or will "the one" just randomly happen and it'll come around like nothing?






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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #214 on: May 18, 2023, 03:03:50 PM »
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while I've landed a handful of 360 flips out of luck many years ago, I'm super fucking happy to say I'm super close to having them dialed down. I know im gonna explode of joy once I land one.
I'm at that point where I can do them sorta "easy" first try, but I have yet to put my back foot on the board.
For some reason I can't coordinate the flipping + the jumping.
Same thing with nollie heel flips/ kick flips and switch heels/ kick flips. One foot off and one foot on the board, dammit.
Fucking back foot!!
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landing front foot only is a common problem that stems from leaning back whilst putting too much pressure on your back foot, and not jumping properly up, but jumping sort of backwards

you want to have equal weight on both your feet at the beginning of the trick, transfer all the weight from the front foot to your back foot, scoop & jump straight up while sucking both your feet upwards. if you watch slow motion treflips, your back foot pretty much needs to dodge the board, but most people including myself dont think of it that way, we just bring our foot upwards
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That makes sense, thanks! Will keep this in mind next sesh and keep ya posted:)
hang in there fellow frustrated tre flippers
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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #215 on: May 19, 2023, 06:44:36 AM »
I remember @silhouette saying something about ''loading'' the board which really helped me get them. but i cant find his comment, so ill just (attempt to) reiterate:

the trick is in what comes right before the popping

1. imagine a line tail to nose line that splits your board in two equal halves
2. back foot toes hanging off sligthly, front foot somewhere around the middle, on the other side of the line (on the heel side half), so you stand comfortably.
3. as you crouch to pop, try to break you board across this straight, tail-to-nose, line. This idea helped me to put pressure down while keeping weight centered.
4. upon popping/releasing/jumping the board will be sort of spring-loaded and flip much easier
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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #216 on: May 19, 2023, 11:48:46 AM »
somehow remember @silhouette saying something about ''loading'' the board which really helped me get them. but i cant find his comment, so ill just reiterate:

the trick is in what comes right before the popping

1. imagine a line tail to nose line that splits your board in two equal halves
2. back foot toes hanging off sligthly, front foot somewhere around the middle, on the other side of the line (on the heel side half), so you stand comfortably.
3. as you crouch to pop, try to break you board across this vertical line. This idea helped me to put pressure down while keeping weight centered.
4. upon popping/releasing/jumping the board will be sort of spring-loaded and flip much easier

Break it as in tear it in half, opposite directions!
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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #217 on: May 20, 2023, 06:06:50 PM »
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somehow remember @silhouette saying something about ''loading'' the board which really helped me get them. but i cant find his comment, so ill just reiterate:

the trick is in what comes right before the popping

1. imagine a line tail to nose line that splits your board in two equal halves
2. back foot toes hanging off sligthly, front foot somewhere around the middle, on the other side of the line (on the heel side half), so you stand comfortably.
3. as you crouch to pop, try to break you board across this vertical line. This idea helped me to put pressure down while keeping weight centered.
4. upon popping/releasing/jumping the board will be sort of spring-loaded and flip much easier
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Break it as in tear it in half, opposite directions!

This tip helped me get one after a 2 month hiatus. Thank you guys.

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #218 on: May 20, 2023, 06:41:48 PM »
Cool, solid one too!

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #219 on: May 20, 2023, 09:07:29 PM »
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somehow remember @silhouette saying something about ''loading'' the board which really helped me get them. but i cant find his comment, so ill just reiterate:

the trick is in what comes right before the popping

1. imagine a line tail to nose line that splits your board in two equal halves
2. back foot toes hanging off sligthly, front foot somewhere around the middle, on the other side of the line (on the heel side half), so you stand comfortably.
3. as you crouch to pop, try to break you board across this vertical line. This idea helped me to put pressure down while keeping weight centered.
4. upon popping/releasing/jumping the board will be sort of spring-loaded and flip much easier
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Break it as in tear it in half, opposite directions!
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This tip helped me get one after a 2 month hiatus. Thank you guys.



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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #220 on: May 25, 2023, 04:04:20 PM »
I remember @silhouette saying something about ''loading'' the board which really helped me get them. but i cant find his comment, so ill just (attempt to) reiterate:

the trick is in what comes right before the popping

1. imagine a line tail to nose line that splits your board in two equal halves
2. back foot toes hanging off sligthly, front foot somewhere around the middle, on the other side of the line (on the heel side half), so you stand comfortably.
3. as you crouch to pop, try to break you board across this straight, tail-to-nose, line. This idea helped me to put pressure down while keeping weight centered.
4. upon popping/releasing/jumping the board will be sort of spring-loaded and flip much easier

i can already tre flip consistently, but damn straight, this sounds about exactly right wrt what i already do

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #221 on: June 19, 2023, 11:33:11 AM »
Set up a fresh board on the weekend decided to try to get all 4

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #222 on: June 26, 2023, 04:34:37 PM »
The biggest thing when I’ve learned this trick in any stance is to pop then scoop. It’s been mentioned on here a bunch before and it really is the best tip to get perfect motion. Every time I miss it’s because I started scooping too soon and didn’t get a good enough pop first. Popping first gives a ton of leverage for the scoop

Wrapping the toes around the edge of the pocket as much as possible is also key for a good scoop.

Square up shoulders. Keep head over the middle of the board the entire trick. Head square between both shoulders

You need a good flick to guide the board. I personally stand on my toes a bit in the front foot rather than flat footed. Makes the flick easier for me but some people disagree. A good flick is only possible if you get a good pop (and scoop) first. Don’t put too much weight in the front foot during the set up though; the beginning of the trick is in the back foot 80%. In fact you’ll probably get ghost pop or flail around like an idiot if you have too much in your front foot

I think of this trick in 4 steps
Pop -> scoop -> flick -> land
I do them in that order.

My reasoning for that order:
I already explained above why I pop then scoop -leverage.
Next is the flick. If you flick (step 3) before popping or scooping (steps 1 & 2) the boards gonna do a 360 shuv with no kickflip rotation because the early slide start basically make getting a good scoop impossible because there’s already too much weight on the top of the board to flip at all. You probably wont even get a flick at all (it’ll be more like an ollie) because the board hasn’t popped enough yet (step 1) for it too meet your foot. That’s why popping is always the first step in this trick. The scoop (step 2) then makes the flick (step 3) way easier because the board is now rotating on an axis that makes the flick natural 
If you’ve squared up your shoulders and jumped right, the board should be perfectly under you for the land (step 4).
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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #223 on: July 01, 2023, 09:53:10 AM »
Just an additional tip to what has been already said in this topic:

It helps a ton to pre-cock your 360 flip before snapping it by pressing hard on the corner/pocket of the tail and simultaneously with your front foot onto the edge of the board, so as to create as much tension into the deck as you can.

Then as you snap the tail and scoop you release the tension by flicking your front foot off the board to make the 360 flip rotation literally explode to your feet.

This really works to make the board spin+flip so much quicker, so I encourage everyone to try it :)

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #224 on: May 07, 2024, 01:25:21 PM »
Casting resurrection

I’ve read through this thread and have been making serious attempts to land this trick.

If you had one tip for landing it, what would that be? I feel like I can’t get any closer, and like I’m missing one final puzzle piece.
I don’t care if I get it on lock for now, I literally just want to land a single one

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #225 on: May 07, 2024, 10:49:41 PM »
Casting resurrection

I’ve read through this thread and have been making serious attempts to land this trick.

If you had one tip for landing it, what would that be? I feel like I can’t get any closer, and like I’m missing one final puzzle piece.
I don’t care if I get it on lock for now, I literally just want to land a single one

Video for reference

https://www.instagram.com/stories/washington.necktie/3362932319664708787?igsh=YjNkbDZ3c2QzZWt3

Attempt looked solid. Try to flip and scoop it a bit in front of you more. This way the board comes naturally to your front foot. Land a couple with with your front foot and the try to put the back foot on. You will feel the catch and then it’s time to put your back foot on.
Hope this makes sense 😅

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #226 on: May 07, 2024, 11:10:36 PM »
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Casting resurrection

I’ve read through this thread and have been making serious attempts to land this trick.

If you had one tip for landing it, what would that be? I feel like I can’t get any closer, and like I’m missing one final puzzle piece.
I don’t care if I get it on lock for now, I literally just want to land a single one

Video for reference

https://www.instagram.com/stories/washington.necktie/3362932319664708787?igsh=YjNkbDZ3c2QzZWt3
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Attempt looked solid. Try to flip and scoop it a bit in front of you more. This way the board comes naturally to your front foot. Land a couple with with your front foot and the try to put the back foot on. You will feel the catch and then it’s time to put your back foot on.
Hope this makes sense 😅

Yeah I feel what you mean. I gave it a couple more throws tonight and made an effort to get the front foot on. Happened a time or two.

Guess it’s just a matter of making it happen. It kicks my ass if I try a bunch of times but I want to get the reps in…. Aggravating…
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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #227 on: May 07, 2024, 11:56:45 PM »
Casting resurrection

I’ve read through this thread and have been making serious attempts to land this trick.

If you had one tip for landing it, what would that be? I feel like I can’t get any closer, and like I’m missing one final puzzle piece.
I don’t care if I get it on lock for now, I literally just want to land a single one

Video for reference

https://www.instagram.com/stories/washington.necktie/3362932319664708787?igsh=YjNkbDZ3c2QzZWt3

I watched the clip and what i noticed is that you scoop really hard for the trick and throw your back leg out, i did the same for the longest time and felt like it makes the trick a hail mary. My one advice would be to focus on popping first and then do the scoop. In my experience this makes the flip much more predictable.

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #228 on: May 08, 2024, 12:40:55 AM »
So close!
Lean back more, its hard to tell by the angle but it looks like your weight is above your front foot (middle of the board). Try to focus on having your weight centered between your two legs instead. It will automatically make it flip easier and propel it more forward.

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #229 on: May 08, 2024, 07:59:57 AM »
The scoop and flick are looking on point, at this stage you can focus on refining the trick. What I mean by that is checking your head and shoulders, looks like you're pretty hunch over and beyond your toes as you're squatting down to pop / scoop. That will instinctively throw your body away from the board and your feet won't be able to catch the board since it's behind you.

Check your posture, keep your weight on the heelside of your board and your shoulders / head aligned + above the board before you pop / scoop.

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #230 on: May 08, 2024, 08:48:20 AM »
The one tip that brings them home for me is to focus on the back toe. Make sure the pop/ scoop makes contact with he ground after your legs are already crossed up. And put some English into that scoop. Its a power move. Everything else just tends to happen naturally.

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #231 on: May 08, 2024, 09:28:28 AM »
Thanks for the tips and confidence, gang!
I put maximum effort into workshopping them yesterday, so my legs are pretty done after full force stomping the concrete over and over.

Mostly sounds like I gotta square up and dial in my weight distribution.

Felt like my shoes might have been working against me a bit, the Rowan 2s are a fair bit bulkier compared to my usual Rowan vulcs or one stars. Hopefully the added board feel helps
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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #232 on: May 08, 2024, 08:33:58 PM »
Thanks for the tips and confidence, gang!
I put maximum effort into workshopping them yesterday, so my legs are pretty done after full force stomping the concrete over and over.

Mostly sounds like I gotta square up and dial in my weight distribution.

Felt like my shoes might have been working against me a bit, the Rowan 2s are a fair bit bulkier compared to my usual Rowan vulcs or one stars. Hopefully the added board feel helps

Don't let the gear madness get in the way and know when to take a break. Learning 360 flips can be really tiring, you're spending a lot more effort than is necessary. I try not to do more than 10 attempts in a row.

360 flips were really weird, when I started actually landing them I was still focusing on a hard scoop and flick, but messing around with them it's really not that.  I think @silhouette said it best - it's weight distribution and loading the board for a compression-release. Once you get that timing down they feel less technically demanding than a kickflip.
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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #233 on: May 13, 2024, 09:03:35 AM »
No update....

still haven't stuck one.. I'm fairly consistent on landing with either foot, but neither both. The flip rotation is beginning to come more naturally, and of course with less effort.

I've been trying to hold my feet to the fire, and "call" my first 360 flip to my friends whenever its feeling good. Sometimes the added pressure on a specific attempt of a trick helps me muster landing...

Guess this post is just to keep myself working on em
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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #234 on: May 13, 2024, 09:29:53 AM »
No update....

still haven't stuck one.. I'm fairly consistent on landing with either foot, but neither both. The flip rotation is beginning to come more naturally, and of course with less effort.

I've been trying to hold my feet to the fire, and "call" my first 360 flip to my friends whenever its feeling good. Sometimes the added pressure on a specific attempt of a trick helps me muster landing...

Guess this post is just to keep myself working on em

Keep it up man. I was on the exact same journey a couple of months ago, i just wanted to land ONE.

I spent probably a week straight, 1-2 hours a day just spinning tres.  just brute forced my way to landing one.

I followed all the tips here and a lot of them were helpful but at a certain point you just need to spin a ton of them and commit.

Eventually I landed a couple of iffy ones, got one decent one and haven't landed one since lol

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #235 on: May 13, 2024, 08:19:09 PM »
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No update....

still haven't stuck one.. I'm fairly consistent on landing with either foot, but neither both. The flip rotation is beginning to come more naturally, and of course with less effort.

I've been trying to hold my feet to the fire, and "call" my first 360 flip to my friends whenever its feeling good. Sometimes the added pressure on a specific attempt of a trick helps me muster landing...

Guess this post is just to keep myself working on em
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Eventually I landed a couple of iffy ones, got one decent one and haven't landed one since lol

All you need is 1 to cross it off your list.

I feel you can't brute force 360 flips during the learning phase, without the right technique it takes too much effort and you'll face diminishing returns beyond 10 tries.

I'm far from consistent but I landed my best one a few days back. Kept my feet flat, weight evenly across the toes / ball / heel and jumped up instead of forward.
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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #236 on: May 14, 2024, 03:33:35 AM »
I feel you can't brute force 360 flips during the learning phase, without the right technique it takes too much effort and you'll face diminishing returns beyond 10 tries.

Yes, this is 100% correct and very wise to recognize. Overdoing it doesn't work, it will just wear you out all the while really making sure you firmly develop all kinds of parasitic habits. When your mistake becomes part of your muscle memory is when things really suck.

My analysis of the video is funny because it looks like the bail of someone who already can do the trick and just barely misses a random one. There is literally nothing you're doing wrong in it so I believe your barrier is completely mental, what I'm seeing you do here is you're about to catch the trick but then you deny it to yourself like it's supposed to be hard and so you're not supposed to win just yet. And so you have the reflex of opening your shoulders at the very last moment for the catch and you refuse it, but you don't look out of control at all. It sounds silly but I firmly believe this subsconscious self-imposed set of standards thing is something most skaters do until they realize and break out of it, it's a very personal tie to what one thinks they should or shouldn't be able to accomplish at large and the fear of disrupting that order. Now that's going in too deep for online tips on 360 flips but try pretending to yourself that you normally can do the trick as easily as a pop shove-it and are just trying to fix it because for some obscure reason it's not working that day. That's how I first learned switch flips, by pretending to myself I was fixing my normal kickflips just I was a regular footed skater that day.

Another general visualization tip, make sure the goal you're setting for yourself doesn't stop at just catching the trick, but feeling the roll away from it. Sometimes the current step of the learning process is an obstacle that takes so much focus it starts looking like the whole process and so you lose sight of your full ambition, micromanage things, and fall down a mental spiral that just takes you further away from it (that also explains 'madness' in skateboarding). In the case of your 360 flips that means make sure you visualize rolling away from your trick before you even pop it and then just kind of stomp where it will land anyway because you have the power of deciding that. If you don't do that then it's likely your brain will get stuck on 'well I personally think just the flip is good enough'.

tl;dr accept it for yourself that you can do the trick, and roll away like the champ you were all along.

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #237 on: May 14, 2024, 08:12:29 AM »
Some older blokes and I had a little flat ground session on the weekend and I landed a 360 flip. They were on their phones as I rode away blissfully clean.

But I did it for me.

Me.

A 360 flip at 48 is a win. My goal is to knock a few out at age 50 and then die.

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #238 on: May 15, 2024, 10:09:06 AM »

But I did it for me.


That's the most important thing, having a homie witness it is icing on the cake.
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Re: 360 Flips
« Reply #239 on: May 17, 2024, 03:09:07 PM »
Pals

I got one



Guys at the shop have been watching me try and land one when I stop in and I landed my first 360 flip on film.

I just kept thinking “muscle it like BA”, and got one in like 15 tries yesterday. Stomped on more in one day than I had in my whole life. Ahh fucking finally!!

https://www.instagram.com/stories/washington.necktie/3370233951913813399?igsh=MXNiYm42a2w0ZHgwbA==
Wow sorry, didn't realise I was dealing with a sick cunt here