Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock

[Budgie Lasek]

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I worked on the trauma floor of a hospital for a few months last year and many of my patients were there due to a recent traumatic brain injury (usually as a result of a motor vehicle accident or fall of some kind). These injuries are life changing not just for the person injured, but family members as well. Some people would give up everything (social life, hobbies, job) and go completely broke to take care of their loved one. It was super heartbreaking to see. 

Sounds like Mr. Jansen is making pretty good progress so far though. We use a 1-10 level scale (called the Rancho Los Amigos if you're interested) to measure brain function/activity during recovery from a brain injury and from what they said in the video it sounds like Jansen is around Level 5 now (out of 10 levels). Progression to the next Level 6 includes being able to recognize loved ones again, so hopefully that is not too far off in the future for him and his family.

The rate of recovery for brain function is fastest and most significant in the initial weeks/months after the brain injury. After that, the rate of recovery slows down significantly and improvements in ability to do "new" things are fewer and farther between. Unfortunately Mr. Jansen is pretty up there in age and his brain isn't as likely to adapt/fully recover as a person in their 40s or 30s that experienced the same injury, so the odds of a full recovery are already against him. Hopefully he is able to make it to a point where he is able to live on his own with only periodic help from a caregiver that checks in on him. Even in the best case scenario though, this injury significantly reduces his lifespan.

With all that said, screw these dudes so much. The entire situation was completely avoidable. Even if Jansen did throw the first punch and "start it", there was nothing keeping the GX guys there or requiring them to engage with him. They had several opportunities to skate away and diffuse the situation, such as when Jansen was first knocked to the ground. Instead they stuck around and continued to hit him while he was down, and then skated away leaving him knocked out without checking to make sure he wasn't critically injured and needing emergency assistance. That's cold man...

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This is the part I find most disturbing and why I think every one of the skaters involved are pieces of shit who should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

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Then call SFPD and tell them suspect 2 is Ryan Garshell and suspect 7 is Brian Delatorre.

I'd assume SFPD probably figured out the identities of who they needed to by now, especially since dude's lawyer is talking about the footage from  Garshell's camera. Pro skaters and a filmer that are known around the world - there's no way they could remain anonymous.

[labor]

I've been skating for 25 years and have had run ins with security and cops. You leave and keep it moving.

People on this thread defending the actions of these adult children are pathetic. Despite your best attempts to create hypotheticals, it does not appear the judge agrees. Of course the defense attorney is going to say his client is innocent, but the judge does not appear to buy this.  The reality check all of the arm chair tough guys here need is that the court of law doesnt give two shits.

While we still need to process more information, and im willing to continue evaluating, its quite clear that there is literally no reason for this to happen. The idea that a 57 year old overweight man is a threat to a group of young men is a lie. That these fucking kids surrounded and fought a security guard who probably makes minimum wage is disgusting. And they chose to leave him their to die.

This took place in 2018. SF is a very safe city and most of these kids are not tough guy gangsters or probably even raised in the city. They were living an edgy fantasy. A guy whos shoes they probably think they are filling is James Kelch. Kelch had this to say on Mackenzie's post: "I hope they get attempted murder. Fuck them. Cowards."

Fighting poverty wage security guards over access to a spot is pathetic. Apparently, it is also a way to end up in the fucking joint for a long time. The legal system is not going to care if the grossly outnumbered security guard used bad words. These dudes days are numbered.

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I worked on the trauma floor of a hospital for a few months last year and many of my patients were there due to a recent traumatic brain injury (usually as a result of a motor vehicle accident or fall of some kind). These injuries are life changing not just for the person injured, but family members as well. Some people would give up everything (social life, hobbies, job) and go completely broke to take care of their loved one. It was super heartbreaking to see. 

Sounds like Mr. Jansen is making pretty good progress so far though. We use a 1-10 level scale (called the Rancho Los Amigos if you're interested) to measure brain function/activity during recovery from a brain injury and from what they said in the video it sounds like Jansen is around Level 5 now (out of 10 levels). Progression to the next Level 6 includes being able to recognize loved ones again, so hopefully that is not too far off in the future for him and his family.

The rate of recovery for brain function is fastest and most significant in the initial weeks/months after the brain injury. After that, the rate of recovery slows down significantly and improvements in ability to do "new" things are fewer and farther between. Unfortunately Mr. Jansen is pretty up there in age and his brain isn't as likely to adapt/fully recover as a person in their 40s or 30s that experienced the same injury, so the odds of a full recovery are already against him. Hopefully he is able to make it to a point where he is able to live on his own with only periodic help from a caregiver that checks in on him. Even in the best case scenario though, this injury significantly reduces his lifespan.

With all that said, screw these dudes so much. The entire situation was completely avoidable. Even if Jansen did throw the first punch and "start it", there was nothing keeping the GX guys there or requiring them to engage with him. They had several opportunities to skate away and diffuse the situation, such as when Jansen was first knocked to the ground. Instead they stuck around and continued to hit him while he was down, and then skated away leaving him knocked out without checking to make sure he wasn't critically injured and needing emergency assistance. That's cold man...

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This is the part I find most disturbing and why I think every one of the skaters involved are pieces of shit who should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

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Then call SFPD and tell them suspect 2 is Ryan Garshell and suspect 7 is Brian Delatorre.

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I'd assume SFPD probably figured out the identities of who they needed to by now, especially since dude's lawyer is talking about the footage from  Garshell's camera. Pro skaters and a filmer that are known around the world - there's no way they could remain anonymous.

Any closer angle would show more of what happened in the situation and if RG filmed it then I'm sure the footage will prove who really attacked the security guard and who put him in the hospital. No matter what, someone is getting fucked even if the security attacked first

[billy.pepperidge]

I've been skating for 25 years and have had run ins with security and cops. You leave and keep it moving.

People on this thread defending the actions of these adult children are pathetic. Despite your best attempts to create hypotheticals, it does not appear the judge agrees. Of course the defense attorney is going to say his client is innocent, but the judge does not appear to buy this.  The reality check all of the arm chair tough guys here need is that the court of law doesnt give two shits.

While we still need to process more information, and im willing to continue evaluating, its quite clear that there is literally no reason for this to happen. The idea that a 57 year old overweight man is a threat to a group of young men is a lie. That these fucking kids surrounded and fought a security guard who probably makes minimum wage is disgusting. And they chose to leave him their to die.

This took place in 2018. SF is a very safe city and most of these kids are not tough guy gangsters or probably even raised in the city. They were living an edgy fantasy. A guy whos shoes they probably think they are filling is James Kelch. Kelch had this to say on Mackenzie's post: "I hope they get attempted murder. Fuck them. Cowards."

Fighting poverty wage security guards over access to a spot is pathetic. Apparently, it is also a way to end up in the fucking joint for a long time. The legal system is not going to care if the grossly outnumbered security guard used bad words. These dudes days are numbered.

Not justifying anyone's violence but that's rich from Kelch. Next what? Novak wishing overdoses on younger junkies?

[labor]

Sure. Or maybe Kelch didn’t beat up 57 year old security guards with the help 7 other people. Sure he fought, but I’ve heard he was much more the square up type. Fighting is bad. But gang beating an old man is a different level.

[Cool Ceith]

The media coverage hasn't missed an opportunity to label the attackers "skateboarders." Sure, they were skaters but after that's mentioned 3 or 4 times it becomes irrelevant.

[cloudy]

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I've been skating for 25 years and have had run ins with security and cops. You leave and keep it moving.

People on this thread defending the actions of these adult children are pathetic. Despite your best attempts to create hypotheticals, it does not appear the judge agrees. Of course the defense attorney is going to say his client is innocent, but the judge does not appear to buy this.  The reality check all of the arm chair tough guys here need is that the court of law doesnt give two shits.

While we still need to process more information, and im willing to continue evaluating, its quite clear that there is literally no reason for this to happen. The idea that a 57 year old overweight man is a threat to a group of young men is a lie. That these fucking kids surrounded and fought a security guard who probably makes minimum wage is disgusting. And they chose to leave him their to die.

This took place in 2018. SF is a very safe city and most of these kids are not tough guy gangsters or probably even raised in the city. They were living an edgy fantasy. A guy whos shoes they probably think they are filling is James Kelch. Kelch had this to say on Mackenzie's post: "I hope they get attempted murder. Fuck them. Cowards."

Fighting poverty wage security guards over access to a spot is pathetic. Apparently, it is also a way to end up in the fucking joint for a long time. The legal system is not going to care if the grossly outnumbered security guard used bad words. These dudes days are numbered.

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Not justifying anyone's violence but that's rich from Kelch. Next what? Novak wishing overdoses on younger junkies?

templeton saying "it's justified when a security guard assaults a skater"?



the security guard forum finally starting to chime in?



https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage

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the security guard forum finally starting to chime in?



https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage

Damn "worried in sf" made an account just to post that too

[VHS ERA]

That's such a heavy photo. No fucking skateboard trick is worth ruining someone's life. This makes me feel fucking ashamed for riding a wooden toy. God damn.

Bruh what? Just say fuck this kid or GX1000 and keep pushing. Unless you’re the type of fuckhead who acts like this you shouldn’t be saying you’re ashamed to skate.

[VHS ERA]

Arguing/pleading with cops and security is part of the culture and will always be. This is a reminder that it’s not worth swinging on them no matter how much of an annoying dweeb they are.

SOTY 2018 and others take notice. Tyshawn is my favorite new skater after Ishod and he approached the line of fighting security in Blessed. Honestly if it wasn’t for this story I wouldn’t have gave af, but it’s not worth it, we need like a decade more TJ parts no court cases.

[euro tm]

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I've been skating for 25 years and have had run ins with security and cops. You leave and keep it moving.

People on this thread defending the actions of these adult children are pathetic. Despite your best attempts to create hypotheticals, it does not appear the judge agrees. Of course the defense attorney is going to say his client is innocent, but the judge does not appear to buy this.  The reality check all of the arm chair tough guys here need is that the court of law doesnt give two shits.

While we still need to process more information, and im willing to continue evaluating, its quite clear that there is literally no reason for this to happen. The idea that a 57 year old overweight man is a threat to a group of young men is a lie. That these fucking kids surrounded and fought a security guard who probably makes minimum wage is disgusting. And they chose to leave him their to die.

This took place in 2018. SF is a very safe city and most of these kids are not tough guy gangsters or probably even raised in the city. They were living an edgy fantasy. A guy whos shoes they probably think they are filling is James Kelch. Kelch had this to say on Mackenzie's post: "I hope they get attempted murder. Fuck them. Cowards."

Fighting poverty wage security guards over access to a spot is pathetic. Apparently, it is also a way to end up in the fucking joint for a long time. The legal system is not going to care if the grossly outnumbered security guard used bad words. These dudes days are numbered.

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Not justifying anyone's violence but that's rich from Kelch. Next what? Novak wishing overdoses on younger junkies?

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templeton saying "it's justified when a security guard assaults a skater"?



the security guard forum finally starting to chime in?



https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage

i think you're taking ed's comment out of context. if you look at his previous comments in that post you'll grasp what he meant. i'm not justifying anything that happened in this situation but i've definitely had security guards get out of hand while my friends and i were being polite and leaving. it's happened to everyone (almost everyone) in this thread. i'm just glad a majority of us haven't used out board as a weapon. that's fucking insane to me. i've met jesse. he was a really nice kid so this comes as a huge shock to me. there's a lot of speculation and bullshit arguments coming out of this that shouldn't be mentioned. this man currently has half of a goddamn head. we as a community need to show some goddamn sympathy instead of arguing.

[VHS ERA]

I haven’t read the whole thread, was the rest of the crew there mostly GX1000 or who were they?

[Lord Viper Scorpion]

what's really sad about this whole situation, is that this guy will never be the head of a major corporation

[markerman666]

I was reading up on this and it was Jesse Vieira from pizza who was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon 

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The one person who hit him with the trucks is in the wrong and should pay for it.

This is not a GX issue, this is an isolated incident involving a guy affiliated with them who rides for pizza, he was fucked from the start.

Delatorre, RG did nothing wrong.
If they had called for help they probably would have been the first ones arrested. I Just don't think this should ruin GX, this could happen to any crew, just one person takes it to far.

I really hope he heals, it makes me super sad watching the video of him, the fact that he can't remember his family hits so hard.

[RIDEFLANNELV2]

I think GX is somewhat at fault too because you know damn well if the security guard wasn't injured and they all walked away from the scuffle (security included) GX would use the footage in their next video.

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The one person who hit him with the trucks is in the wrong and should pay for it.

This is not a GX issue, this is an isolated incident involving a guy affiliated with them who rides for pizza, he was fucked from the start.

Delatorre, RG did nothing wrong.
If they had called for help they probably would have been the first ones arrested. I Just don't think this should ruin GX, this could happen to any crew, just one person takes it to far.

I really hope he heals, it makes me super sad watching the video of him, the fact that he can't remember his family hits so hard.

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Hey Daryl - watch the fucking video or read a little bit. No one hit him in the head with a truck.

Because my sig is making fun of Daryl "retiring" makes me him.
I watched the video and read, there were a lot of comments about him getting hit with a truck or a board, in the video you can see someone hitting him with something that isn't a fist.

Also you joined after the JJ issue, you didn't go through so many pages of Daryl being deleted for his abuse.

[DannyDee]

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The one person who hit him with the trucks is in the wrong and should pay for it.

This is not a GX issue, this is an isolated incident involving a guy affiliated with them who rides for pizza, he was fucked from the start.

Delatorre, RG did nothing wrong.
If they had called for help they probably would have been the first ones arrested. I Just don't think this should ruin GX, this could happen to any crew, just one person takes it to far.

I really hope he heals, it makes me super sad watching the video of him, the fact that he can't remember his family hits so hard.

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Hey Daryl - watch the fucking video or read a little bit. No one hit him in the head with a truck.

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Because my sig is making fun of Daryl "retiring" makes me him.
I watched the video and read, there were a lot of comments about him getting hit with a truck or a board, in the video you can see someone hitting him with something that isn't a fist.

Also you joined after the JJ issue, you didn't go through so many pages of Daryl being deleted for his abuse.

We've only seen a cut video of it. But, even Jesse's attorney admits a board was swung at the guy by Jesse and that it was him who threw him to the ground. The statement also seems to make it clear that it was another skateboarder and not the security guard who started the fight.

But Doug Rappaport, Vieira’s defense attorney, said in court Friday that he has evidence that proves his client was defending himself in the incident.

Video taken by a skateboarder from inside the fracas, he said, shows another man initially striking Jansen, who fell to the ground. Jansen then got up and started throwing punches at Vieira, Rappaport said.

Vieira defended himself, first swinging his skateboard toward Jansen before the two exchanged punches and Jansen fell to the ground unconscious, Rappaport said.

“The security guard fell to the ground and hit his head,” he said. “It’s tragic for everybody. But for the second video, an innocent kid would be doing a lot of time.”

As for the others, they left a dude critically injured. If you did nothing, then call a fucking ambulance. That's better than leaving right away because you can't deal with a day of being arrested til being cleared by security tapes.

[Tyroneshoelaces]

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The one person who hit him with the trucks is in the wrong and should pay for it.

This is not a GX issue, this is an isolated incident involving a guy affiliated with them who rides for pizza, he was fucked from the start.

Delatorre, RG did nothing wrong.
If they had called for help they probably would have been the first ones arrested. I Just don't think this should ruin GX, this could happen to any crew, just one person takes it to far.

I really hope he heals, it makes me super sad watching the video of him, the fact that he can't remember his family hits so hard.

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They left a guy for dead because they were afraid to get arrested. They are cowards.

DROP THEM OFF AT THE BERRICS AND LET CHASE GABOR AT THAT ASS WITH A SCREWDRIVER

[Roisto]

the security guard forum finally starting to chime in?



https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage

Well, this guy sure knows statistics!


On the topic as a whole:
This is 100% fucked. I know that resorting to violence in a heated situation can be way too easy, especially if you fail to think that the consequences might be really serious, like they are in this case. I'm pretty much always against violence and yet I've done it myself (edit: not towards a security guard but a crazy dude attacking me with a knife). That doesn't make it any more right. I'm saying it because I think it's something everyone should think about. No matter how peaceful you are in your mind.

Running away like cowards is definitely shameful too.

I personally never liked cops or security guards but the best solution is to just get the fuck out and not throw punches and then flee.

I hope a full recovery for the security guard and that the people responsible for doing this will pay for what they did. I hope skateboarding as a whole condemns all sort of violence glorification. All sort of confrontational in your face shit too. Sure you can tell a guard to fuck off if he's being a total fucking asshole while skating away but that's it. Everything above that is too much and not something our culture or the world needs at all.

edit 2: I would also like to see skateboarding as a community supporting this guy in his recovery. Probably easiest through donations. Making it clear as a group that this is not who we are and that we are very sorry some shitbags in our culture did this.

[h00man]

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That's such a heavy photo. No fucking skateboard trick is worth ruining someone's life. This makes me feel fucking ashamed for riding a wooden toy. God damn.

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Bruh what? Just say fuck this kid or GX1000 and keep pushing. Unless you’re the type of fuckhead who acts like this you shouldn’t be saying you’re ashamed to skate.

I know what you mean, but if you realize that they basically ruined this man's life for a skateboard trick....

Arguing and pleading is fine. Tyshawn got my vote.

Assaulting and nearly killing a man for doing his job is another story

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That's such a heavy photo. No fucking skateboard trick is worth ruining someone's life. This makes me feel fucking ashamed for riding a wooden toy. God damn.

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Bruh what? Just say fuck this kid or GX1000 and keep pushing. Unless you’re the type of fuckhead who acts like this you shouldn’t be saying you’re ashamed to skate.

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I know what you mean, but if you realize that they basically ruined this man's life for a skateboard trick....

Arguing and pleading is fine. Tyshawn got my vote.

Assaulting and nearly killing a man for doing his job is another story

Magnifying Tyshawn's behaviour is at fault too

it's just acting dumb (whatever it means) for a trick

blaming jesse is fine (he probably regrets not taking 5 sec to question the possible consequences of  hitting the guard)
but it only makes sense if you blame those who act similarly or show "violent" security altercations like it's part of skateboarding or like it's fun.

[feedmeseymour]

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the security guard forum finally starting to chime in?



https://forums.securityinfowatch.com/forum/on-guard-security-guard-services-discussion/general-discussions-area/246932-skateboard-attack-leaves-san-francisco-security-guard-with-brain-damage

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Damn "worried in sf" made an account just to post that too

I made an account a few weeks ago and still can’t figure out how to post on that forum. It’s set up so weird.

[johnes]

I wouldn’t have been surprised at all is Na-kal had been the one to do this.
Someone needs to have a real talk with that guy about how he treats people kicking him out of spots.

[honey island]

as someone who lost a friend to a coward's punch, and a group of 3 leaving him for dead, when medical assistance could've saved him, seeing those 8 flee, like that makes me really fucking angry. utterly disgusting human beings.

[BMCsteve]

This whole fucking thing is tragic but I just want to know when the pals should get into a digital fight with the security guard forum. 

[BacksideWallride]

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I haven’t read the whole thread, was the rest of the crew there mostly GX1000 or who were they?

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It's completely unknown. There is a bunch of people handing out flyers with ultra low res photos of unidentified people who don't even match the people in the video. I think I saw Woody Allen and Neckface for sure. Possibly Peter Sellers, but that doesn't really make sense ...

Whats your agenda for lack of a better term here, you posted this like 10 times in multiple threads but now you're defending?

The only logical thing to do is send your concerns and complaints to USA Skateboarding - "The recognized governing body for skateboarding in the USA". They'll be glad to consider your recommendations and get this thing straightened out, for the good of skateboarders and security guards alike. Ask for Neal or Gary - they'll be happy to speak with you.

http://usaskateboarding.net/

Thanks for your support,
The Skateboarding Community

[augustmoon]

"running away like cowards"...i highly doubt any of these people knew this guy was seriously injured.  Also, if a group of people are skating a spot and something like this happens, is everybody there culpable?  If i see a cop/security approaching, i just leave.  if someone else skating the spot after i leave (someone i might not even know) swings on security, am I now part of a gang beating?  It seems like a physical altercation erupted between two people with 8 people total present.  Whoever it was swung on the guard, the guard fell and hit his head, everybody left, which is what most of you would do despite whatever it is you are saying on here.  If it would have been apparent how hurt the guy was, im sure (i hope) someone would have called an ambulance. 

I still don't think any of this will matter when this goes to court though.  just the fact that they're skaters and the guy was in a position of authority, they're going to hammer them hard no matter what the circumstances are. 

whatever, i could be wrong, but i'm just trying to go on the limited information that's available.  i'm just saying, its not like GX1000 as a collective ganged up and beat this guy half to death.  They're saying they have video evidence that no one hit him with a board. 

Any time you swing on somebody, there's a chance they can hit their head on the ground and end up brain damaged/dead.  It happens in bar fights all the time.  Its never a good idea unless you need to seriously defend yourself.  Its really tragic, and that guy doesn't deserve this.

[Allen.]

"running away like cowards"...i highly doubt any of these people knew this guy was seriously injured. 

Yeah he might have just fallen asleep

All of your argument is bullshit.

[Krooked antihero]

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"running away like cowards"...i highly doubt any of these people knew this guy was seriously injured. 

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Yeah he might have just fallen asleep

All of your argument is bullshit.

This is so fucked, and for fucks sake if you punch somenone and he stays on the ground after that it is basic human shit to atleast check out if dude’s still alive...