Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock

[John Florence]

In the light of recent events, the only way to go is a proposition to restrict skateboard possession among San Francisco residents.

[thebaggy]

Based off what you're saying, how crazy would it be if skater lawyers sued pizza and gx1000. I mean these fucking guys really fucked up, and the skateboard grim reapers need to show up, if you know what I mean. Imagine. I bet skate lawyers are fucking death

What's a skate lawyer exactly

[billy.pepperidge]

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Based off what you're saying, how crazy would it be if skater lawyers sued pizza and gx1000. I mean these fucking guys really fucked up, and the skateboard grim reapers need to show up, if you know what I mean. Imagine. I bet skate lawyers are fucking death

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What's a skate lawyer exactly

I think it's a step above or below 'bird law'.
Whoever is in SF, go to court and come back, post about it. Print it in a zine, you're a court reporter. Send it to Jenkem, you're a journalist. Don't mix opinion into the facts.

[thebaggy]

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Based off what you're saying, how crazy would it be if skater lawyers sued pizza and gx1000. I mean these fucking guys really fucked up, and the skateboard grim reapers need to show up, if you know what I mean. Imagine. I bet skate lawyers are fucking death

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What's a skate lawyer exactly

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I think it's a step above or below 'bird law'.

Well shoot, bird law is over my head. 

[Get the strap]

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Based off what you're saying, how crazy would it be if skater lawyers sued pizza and gx1000. I mean these fucking guys really fucked up, and the skateboard grim reapers need to show up, if you know what I mean. Imagine. I bet skate lawyers are fucking death

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What's a skate lawyer exactly

Fucking any of them dumbfuck.

[thebaggy]

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Based off what you're saying, how crazy would it be if skater lawyers sued pizza and gx1000. I mean these fucking guys really fucked up, and the skateboard grim reapers need to show up, if you know what I mean. Imagine. I bet skate lawyers are fucking death

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What's a skate lawyer exactly

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Fucking any of them dumbfuck.

Suck my ass

[fulfillthedream]

all the posts on the gx instagram account have turned off comments

[shit_for_brains]

Maybe instead of sitting on your technology and gossiping you people should instead use your brainpower to realize you're being spoon fed information through what you read online and see in the news. Seriously, everyone here is talking like they are certain of what happened and are so quick to boycott a group of people and spread negativity. All the information you're working off of is what is being debated in the court room, how the news interprets it into an "interesting" story, and peoples reactions from those news stories, and so on and so forth.  No one here knows what actually happened.

Were you there? Are you from SF? Do you know what really happened? Did Jon Bon Jovi's personal bodyguard ask me to leave a public restroom? Do I know the answers to any of these questions? Spooky. If the truth concerns you, get your beans out and spill them.

[HisDudest]

I got banned for saying "fag" twice. Be careful out here, 2019 is no joke. I made a slap account just so I could say fag and person wtf

[BMCsteve]

all the posts on the gx instagram account have turned off comments

They're only turned off for non-followers of the account

[sk8ordontordie]

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all the posts on the gx instagram account have turned off comments

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They're only turned off for non-followers of the account

Everyone

[Chapingro]

all the posts on the gx instagram account have turned off comments

cos they're a bunch of biatches. i know you see this gx fam.

[KoRnholio8]

can't believe that the 9 club had the balls to talk about this incident, while (most) other skate media is playing dumb. even if all the circumstances have not been clarified, skate media should put out a united message on not messing with security and simply leaving a spot

[sid vicious]

The nine club donated to the victims gofundme too

[Jehoshaphat Augustus]

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all the posts on the gx instagram account have turned off comments

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cos they're a bunch of biatches. i know you see this gx fam.

I've never seen someone go from hero to zero so fast
Gx1000 means Gator x 1000

[euro tm]

can't believe that the 9 club had the balls to talk about this incident, while (most) other skate media is playing dumb. even if all the circumstances have not been clarified, skate media should put out a united message on not messing with security and simply leaving a spot

nine club and transworld are the only two so far. thrashers fuckin poosey

[tkp]

Shortly after the Black Rock incident, a jury found a skater in Redwood City guilty of an attack on a cop. He faces 20 years in prison. His sentencing is on the 15th of this month.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/12/03/man-guilty-in-2016-skateboard-attack-on-south-san-francisco-officer/

[WarmUpZone]

While I understand the frustration, I completely get why Thrasher isn't going anywhere near this. Now, I think they would avoid it even if they weren't potentially liable, but in the current situation, it'd be insane to have anything on record. They are the richest entity that has any potential of liability in this case, and therefore are the ones who they would target. It's not like you are going to be able to take much money off of Jesse, Pizza skateboards or GX1000.


I highly doubt that High Speed has any liability in this situation. Unless someone from GX1000 is staff for High Speed.

The only issue could be X company is upset that Y magazine produced negative publicity about one of their (former) riders and stops advertising. However, since the skate media-is-pay-to-play, X company would have to be pretty confident that they and their riders could go without editorial coverage in Y mag.

Also, our discussion frames this all as, "the industry/editors/mags aren't allowing anyone to cover this," I really wonder if any writer has even pitched this idea. What skate "journalist" is going to wake up at 7AM, get to the court house at 8:00, sit around, take notes on the case, and then write something up?

There are only a handful of skate mag writers who I think are competent and thoughtful enough to even consider covering this. Most skate journalists simply write about x pro shitting his pants or something else  that barely requires any thought at all.

Finally, I can easily imagine an editor believing, "Yea, it is a good idea, but it is boring. None of our readers are going to care." (This isn't true, but I can imagine the editor believing this.)

Tony Vitello was the executive producer on Roll Up. Pretty much all of Garshall's footage goes to Thrasher. I also wouldn't be surprised if Garshall is some sort of contractor to Thrasher. It can be argued they have promoted a culture of non-compliance.


yall are reaching.  Thrasher has no liability regarding one guy that was in a few videos featured on their website committing a crime
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I know this has been addressed already, but a competent lawyer could put together a civil case against GX1000, and perhaps even Thrasher. If one were to try and paint the picture of thrasher propagating this type of behavior they would have plenty of data. I can imagine it would be very easy to triangulate Vieira's actions, Thrashers agenda, and GX1000s involvement therein.
   For the record, I'm being the devils advocate here for the sake of shedding light on the severity of this situation. I believe that Vieira ( and those who were immediately involved) are responsible for their own actions.

No way Thrasher is criminally on the hook, but it is easy to see how they would be a likely target for civil action. If there is even vague evidence that Thrasher was going to pay for the video content that was being created at Black Rock (and there is), then Thrasher would be an easy target for a suit.
While I doubt the Security Guard's family would successfully win the several million from Thrasher that they would likely sue for in a full trial, it is very likely that Thrasher would settle for, say $250k to avoid the publicity and legal fees of it all.

The goal for a lot of these suits isn't to win a trial, but to maximize a settlement from an entity wealthy enough to pay big to just make the situation go away quietly.

[Get the strap]

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any update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond.  i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?

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next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.

anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?

http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/

So what's the verdict? His trial started almost 2 hours ago.

[CHONGO]

Shortly after the Black Rock incident, a jury found a skater in Redwood City guilty of an attack on a cop. He faces 20 years in prison. His sentencing is on the 15th of this month.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/12/03/man-guilty-in-2016-skateboard-attack-on-south-san-francisco-officer/

god damn. I remember when this happened. 2 years later and they are just figuring it out. Thats crazy

[silhouette]

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The guys' respective deals do not directly link their sponsors to the event in my opinion, plus I'm not sure they would ever want to be, and if any of them ever begs to differ then they better quickly feel concerned about the instantaneous backlash they would get if they ever tried getting in the way of Dan's cause. Profit over people is doomed to fail.

The lack of available information is what's been holding us back and why we haven't written anything, quite duly so. Just chiming in to state that 'skate media' cares about the issue more than what I see people assuming, it's just that said issue is particularly delicate.

We're probably just going to post the GoFundMe.

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If you are indeed writing about this then it is up to you to properly report on the subject at hand with proper journalist standards. That's going to take some actual reporting and interviewing of subjects related to the case that are less than inclined to give an interview regarding such a touchy subject. Being a skater and residing in the bay area will give you a huge leg up against traditional media with regards to getting proper sources and getting pertinent information that has not been previously reported on.

If you are afraid of potential confrontation associated to this story then just stick to hero worship and puff pieces of which almost all skate writers already write about.

Again and for the last time as people have also been PM'ing me about this (which I can understand as those are healthy concerns), we are not writing anything about the issue for we are well aware of our limitations (geographical, even). My original post really only meant to convey that 'skate media' actually gave a shit about this and that in a situation as serious as this one, advertisers shouldn't be a problem (unless you're Thrasher), as to cut the conspiracy theories I was seeing emerge; everybody is only being reasonable by not re-appropriating the case as one more opportunity to talk out of their asses, throw random names under the bus, pass online hearsay as facts and just generally not being pieces of shit. And again, if anything the GoFundMe really is the only thing that's useful to share.

I'm just confused as to what type of reaction some people are expecting from 'skate media' really. No one with proper education should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad. The real problem here is how entities such as Thrasher have been brandishing the polar opposite banner for decades now, glorifying being the caricature of an asshole to try to win the vulnerable, gullible youth's wallets over the disguise of a 'punk' edge when really, for at least a decade now they've been working hand in hand with the biggest and most disconnected brands in the world. Their model is outdated as fuck and this instance only proves it.

Anyway, again, only really meant to chime in just to state skate media does give a shit. Which doesn't mean it would be wise for anyone to try and do anything. Please do not get my intentions wrong.

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any update on jesse? i heard they were holding him on a no bail bond.  i thought he was supposed to be arrainged at the beggining of January?

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next court date is this friday at 9:00 a.m.

anyone living in the bay area wanna be the slap correspondent? jenkem sent a crew to pa to cover bam's house party. if you're a freelancer in sf, maybe you can get them to pick up your story?

http://apps.sfgov.org/InmateInfo/

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So what's the verdict? His trial started almost 2 hours ago.

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I went. It was really really short. Like 10 minutes. It was pretty much just his lawyer talking about arranging a discovery on the 17th of this month.


https://www.americanbar.org/groups/public_education/resources/law_related_education_network/how_courts_work/discovery/

Ah ok, thanks for the update.

[nopes]

will this really make it to trial? wont there most likely be a plea deal?

[ihatejulio]

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The guys' respective deals do not directly link their sponsors to the event in my opinion, plus I'm not sure they would ever want to be, and if any of them ever begs to differ then they better quickly feel concerned about the instantaneous backlash they would get if they ever tried getting in the way of Dan's cause. Profit over people is doomed to fail.

The lack of available information is what's been holding us back and why we haven't written anything, quite duly so. Just chiming in to state that 'skate media' cares about the issue more than what I see people assuming, it's just that said issue is particularly delicate.

We're probably just going to post the GoFundMe.

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If you are indeed writing about this then it is up to you to properly report on the subject at hand with proper journalist standards. That's going to take some actual reporting and interviewing of subjects related to the case that are less than inclined to give an interview regarding such a touchy subject. Being a skater and residing in the bay area will give you a huge leg up against traditional media with regards to getting proper sources and getting pertinent information that has not been previously reported on.

If you are afraid of potential confrontation associated to this story then just stick to hero worship and puff pieces of which almost all skate writers already write about.

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Again and for the last time as people have also been PM'ing me about this (which I can understand as those are healthy concerns), we are not writing anything about the issue for we are well aware of our limitations (geographical, even). My original post really only meant to convey that 'skate media' actually gave a shit about this and that in a situation as serious as this one, advertisers shouldn't be a problem (unless you're Thrasher), as to cut the conspiracy theories I was seeing emerge; everybody is only being reasonable by not re-appropriating the case as one more opportunity to talk out of their asses, throw random names under the bus, pass online hearsay as facts and just generally not being pieces of shit. And again, if anything the GoFundMe really is the only thing that's useful to share.

I'm just confused as to what type of reaction some people are expecting from 'skate media' really. No one with proper education should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad. The real problem here is how entities such as Thrasher have been brandishing the polar opposite banner for decades now, glorifying being the caricature of an asshole to try to win the vulnerable, gullible youth's wallets over the disguise of a 'punk' edge when really, for at least a decade now they've been working hand in hand with the biggest and most disconnected brands in the world. Their model is outdated as fuck and this instance only proves it.

Great points. I think people are finally starting to learn about the situation from the latest nine club episode, but it took Slap to get this story known. Slap is pretty much the only place that is actively discussing this extensively. I think the frustration is coming from the fact that if anyone dares go against the Thrasher machine they have the potential to be blacklisted from the industry as Thrasher has already done to countless skaters, filmers, photographers, and writers in the past. And I think it's bullshit that we have given Thrasher so much power to make or break people within the industry. There are obvious power imbalances in play that needs to be challenged.

[pizza bitch]

No one with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.

[ChrisLambe94]

God bless that security guards heart.

[Allen.]

will this really make it to trial? wont there most likely be a plea deal?

You don't have to take a plea if it is offered. Generally it is presented as copping to lesser charges and a lesser sentence - going with the devil you know. If one goes forward with a trial, sure, you might walk away free but you may also end up serving 25 years instead of 15 (pulling random numbers out of my ass I have no idea what dude is looking at).
This can also be done when either side is looking to avoid a long/costly trial. Lawyers are not cheap and I don't believe Pizza/Converse/Thrasher/etc are going to front Vieria's fees. He might plea out, but if he/his lawyer is so confident that the other video (99.99% coming from Gershall's camera) is going to exonerate him/his client, I'm not so sure he's planning on pleading down.
That said, a case from ~2 years ago that can be found in another thread just recently reached a verdict and I can't see this going on that long.

The only thing I heard Jansen’s lawyer say was ‘this is a serious assault incident and we have multiple videos of it.’

Two is multiple. Security camera and the supposed GX footage - which may or may not show anything supporting or damning. There's been a few times I've been in altercations with security/crackheads/etc when I was younger and dumber than I am now, and sometimes, I've flinched and hit the record button (GL2) or in the heat of the moment, filmed everything only at knee level. It's one thing to follow film really close when you know the skater's probable route or to film fisheye at the bottom of your local 10 in a relatively safe spot, but when shit escalates, especially for a crew known to fake such interactions at least once... who's to say GX even filmed anything that was useful (read: damning/exonerating) ?

[weregoingunion]

[botefdunn]

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No one with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.

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on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.

[DannyDee]

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No one with proper educationdecent human should need to go through paragraphs in order to understand that violence is bad.

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on the other hand, no one with much experience of skateboarding or even spending time on the streets in an urban environment can fail to understand that avoiding violence isn't always easy, a choice, or in some cases even possible.

Except, in this case, it pretty easily was.