Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock

[RIDEFLANNELV2]

In the meantime Brian Delatorre's "Insta-detox" has nothing to do with him being a suspect in an assault.

Didn't intend to suggest that Delatorre was on the lam. I thought the idea of his IG "detox" was ludicrous. He isn't detoxing IG, he is avoiding IG because he is afraid to be called out. POOSEY.

[no life]

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As someone who has seen the HD footage and knows the details of the case I can tell you that is not what happened.

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Don’t you mean the VX footage?

did you just come out of a coma?

[Stoop Kid 2.0]

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As someone who has seen the HD footage and knows the details of the case I can tell you that is not what happened.

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Don’t you mean the VX footage?

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did you just come out of a coma?

Did you? Because clearly you couldn’t catch this mans joke.

Jessie going to prison almost seems like it’s a 97% done deal based on everything in thread. after he does I’m sure there will be wild conspiracy theories that sprout about how it’s all about SF trying to eradicate skateboarders and skateboard culture. Phelps would back this dude. He’s best friends with a woman beater and associates with some dildo that would bend over and take it from Hitler because white power. Crazy how a lot of people in the industry just tolerate people like this just to be “cool” “core” or “down”.

[Stoop Kid 2.0]

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In the meantime Brian Delatorre's "Insta-detox" has nothing to do with him being a suspect in an assault.

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Didn't intend to suggest that Delatorre was on the lam. I thought the idea of his IG "detox" was ludicrous. He isn't detoxing IG, he is avoiding IG because he is afraid to be called out. POOSEY.

That’s even more poosey than no one

[wake and bacon]

the go fund me would be way less of a bad look if it was upfront about the situation

"listen, this whole situation is fucked, a man has lost so much due to what transpired, but nonetheless we need to make sure jesse has proper representation because as we all know, the system will fuck you, guilty or innocent, without it. also here's a link to dan's go fund me if you'd like to also support him and his recovery"

[no life]

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As someone who has seen the HD footage and knows the details of the case I can tell you that is not what happened.

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Don’t you mean the VX footage?

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did you just come out of a coma?

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Did you? Because clearly you couldn’t catch this mans joke.

Jessie going to prison almost seems like it’s a 97% done deal based on everything in thread. after he does I’m sure there will be wild conspiracy theories that sprout about how it’s all about SF trying to eradicate skateboarders and culture. Phelps would back this dude. He’s best friends with a woman beater and associates with some dildo that would bend over and take it from Hitler because white power. Crazy how a lot of people in the industry just tolerate people like this just to be “cool” “core” or “down”.

holy shit you are stupid, good luck

[Putaslocas]

I think silas baxter neal and lucien clarke have something to do with the black rock incident as well.. theyre also in turkey!!!

[feedmeseymour]

As someone who has seen the HD footage and knows the details of the case I can tell you that is not what happened.

[Tyroneshoelaces]

can someone give me a reason why anyone would give money to jesse vieira? 

[SneakySecrets]

can someone give me a reason why anyone would give money to jesse vieira?

Belief in our judicial system and his right to defend himself in a fair trial?

[landedprimo]

And I honestly doubt the guard was fearing for his life during the altercation as I'm sure he's been in that exact situation many times before.

I agree with you 100%! Last time I was having my brain squished by my skull caving in I was like "Ah, I'll be good. Just another lovely day at the office." These pussies just don't understand.

[Dernpop1]

So jesse is still the only one who has been charged?

[Síota]

So jesse is still the only one who has been charged?

So far

[roscoemoore1]

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can someone give me a reason why anyone would give money to jesse vieira?

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Belief in our judicial system and his right to defend himself in a fair trial?

you contradicted yourself

[Skateforever]

Guys I think we are missing the bigger picture here.

This is a terrible situation all around and one that is a direct result of a long standing culture within skateboarding of glorying drug and alcohol abuse as well as violence and criminal behavior. This sort of jackass attitude does nothing but paint skateboarding in a bad light.

Looking at this trend it was only a matter of time until someone innocent got hurt. Sponsors and pro skaters have only themselves to blame in this situation. I might be in the minority but I can't stand any skate video where it's all about drugs, goofing around and pissing people off.

I want to see the best skaters in the world skating, not drinking beer or throwing shit at one and other. FFS what are we, 5 years old?

I started skating in the 80's and I strongly believe skateboarding has its roots deeply embedded in counter culture and that's a good thing, skateboarding should be about freedom and exploration and absolutely to an extent breaking the rules, skating street spots etc.

But when skaters just comes across like a bunch of thugs, fighting, knocking passers by over and in general just behaving like scum, that's what they become, scum.

Skateboarding needs to take a stand and look itself in the mirror. I work for Red Bull as a filmer / photographer and I can honestly say that more and more corporate sponsors will not stand for this. One can complain that Nike etc is ruining skateboarding, but maybe a somewhat cleaner image is exactly what skateboarding needs to move forward. I'm not saying no to rebellion and counter culture, just criminal and childish behavior.

With regards to the SF incident it is a tragedy all around. Dan has had his and his family's life changed forever and skateboarding is right to reach out and offer condolences and financial support.

However you look at it though, Jesse is also a victim, a victim of a culture that has been allowed to go on far too long and that viewers and consumers have fueled by watching and buying boards etc.

How many of the people that are calling Jesse out, has laughed and shared similar videos where skaters have been in altercations with security and members of the public? If you did, you are all guilty of fueling the behavior that led to this.

Yes Jesse fucked up, as did the whole crew that was with him, but he is now being made a scapegoat for an entire culture and all the people that's been supporting that culture are turning their backs.

Jesse needs the support of the community now more than ever and I call hypocrite on most people who are slagging him off. I'm not defending what they did and they should absolutely pay for it, but I see this as an opportunity for skateboarding to come together and move forward to a better place.

[thomas kook]

i'm so glad you blanked out fuck in that

[feedmeseymour]

you sound like the type of parent that blamed videogames or marylin manson when columbine happened.

[Jerkstore]

Guys I think we are missing the bigger picture here.

This is a terrible situation all around and one that is a direct result of a long standing culture within skateboarding of glorying drug and alcohol abuse as well as violence and criminal behavior. This sort of jackass attitude does nothing but paint skateboarding in a bad light.

Looking at this trend it was only a matter of time until someone innocent got hurt. Sponsors and pro skaters have only themselves to blame in this situation. I might be in the minority but I can't stand any skate video where it's all about drugs, goofing around and pissing people off.

I want to see the best skaters in the world skating, not drinking beer or throwing shit at one and other. FFS what are we, 5 years old?

I started skating in the 80's and I strongly believe skateboarding has its roots deeply embedded in counter culture and that's a good thing, skateboarding should be about freedom and exploration and absolutely to an extent breaking the rules, skating street spots etc.

But when skaters just comes across like a bunch of thugs, fighting, knocking passers by over and in general just behaving like scum, that's what they become, scum.

Skateboarding needs to take a stand and look itself in the mirror. I work for Red Bull as a filmer / photographer and I can honestly say that more and more corporate sponsors will not stand for this. One can complain that Nike etc is ruining skateboarding, but maybe a somewhat cleaner image is exactly what skateboarding needs to move forward. I'm not saying no to rebellion and counter culture, just criminal and childish behavior.

With regards to the SF incident it is a tragedy all around. Dan has has his and his family's life changed forever and skateboarding is right to reach out and offer condolences and financial support.

However you look at it though, Jesse is also a victim, a victim of a culture that has been allowed to go on far too long and that viewers and consumers have fueled by watching and buying boards etc.

How many of the people that are calling Jesse out, has laughed and shared similar videos where skaters have been in altercations with security and members of the public? If you did, you are all guilty of fueling the behavior that led to this.

Yes Jesse f..... up, as did the whole crew that was with him, but he is now being made a scapegoat for an entire culture and all the people that's been supporting that culture are turning their backs.

Jesse needs the support of the community now more than ever and I call hypocrite on most people who are slagging him off. I'm not defending what they did and they should absolutely pay for it, but I see this as an opportunity for skateboarding to come together and move forward to a better place.

Of course, virtuous corporations will save skateboarding!

[Roast beef]

Haha what a douche that skateforever guy is.

[Skateforever]

you sound like the type of parent that blamed videogames or marylin manson when columbine happened.

Hilarious, if you read what I said you'd realise that's not the point all.

[Skateforever]

Haha what a douche that skateforever guy is.

Haha, I was afraid that common sense wouldn't do to well on here...

[Skateforever]

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Guys I think we are missing the bigger picture here.

This is a terrible situation all around and one that is a direct result of a long standing culture within skateboarding of glorying drug and alcohol abuse as well as violence and criminal behavior. This sort of jackass attitude does nothing but paint skateboarding in a bad light.

Looking at this trend it was only a matter of time until someone innocent got hurt. Sponsors and pro skaters have only themselves to blame in this situation. I might be in the minority but I can't stand any skate video where it's all about drugs, goofing around and pissing people off.

I want to see the best skaters in the world skating, not drinking beer or throwing shit at one and other. FFS what are we, 5 years old?

I started skating in the 80's and I strongly believe skateboarding has its roots deeply embedded in counter culture and that's a good thing, skateboarding should be about freedom and exploration and absolutely to an extent breaking the rules, skating street spots etc.

But when skaters just comes across like a bunch of thugs, fighting, knocking passers by over and in general just behaving like scum, that's what they become, scum.

Skateboarding needs to take a stand and look itself in the mirror. I work for Red Bull as a filmer / photographer and I can honestly say that more and more corporate sponsors will not stand for this. One can complain that Nike etc is ruining skateboarding, but maybe a somewhat cleaner image is exactly what skateboarding needs to move forward. I'm not saying no to rebellion and counter culture, just criminal and childish behavior.

With regards to the SF incident it is a tragedy all around. Dan has has his and his family's life changed forever and skateboarding is right to reach out and offer condolences and financial support.

However you look at it though, Jesse is also a victim, a victim of a culture that has been allowed to go on far too long and that viewers and consumers have fueled by watching and buying boards etc.

How many of the people that are calling Jesse out, has laughed and shared similar videos where skaters have been in altercations with security and members of the public? If you did, you are all guilty of fueling the behavior that led to this.

Yes Jesse f..... up, as did the whole crew that was with him, but he is now being made a scapegoat for an entire culture and all the people that's been supporting that culture are turning their backs.

Jesse needs the support of the community now more than ever and I call hypocrite on most people who are slagging him off. I'm not defending what they did and they should absolutely pay for it, but I see this as an opportunity for skateboarding to come together and move forward to a better place.

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Of course, virtuous corporations will save skateboarding!

Not at all, skateboarders will, but they might need a push to take the right direction. Unless you condone this kind of behavior in which case I don't think my comment was for you.

[feedmeseymour]

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you sound like the type of parent that blamed videogames or marylin manson when columbine happened.

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Hilarious, if you read what I said you'd realise that's not the point all.

How many of the people that are calling Jesse out, has laughed and shared similar videos where skaters have been in altercations with security and members of the public? If you did, you are all guilty of fueling the behavior that led to this.

lol ok

[nopes]

First of all a skateboard was never used on dan in this altercation...secondly it was his walkie talkie that was smashed next to his head on Dan’s first fall not a punch. Thirdly Jesse was not the initial instigator of the incident, take a closer look at video....1st skater-whom i wont name-back 50’s ledge almost into Dan.  That started this shit. Now it was Jesse’s decision to throw the punch that caused Dan his injury but it was the first skater that now has to consistently think the carnage he created for Jesse, GX and Dan.   Facts

just so i understand, are you saying when Dan is on the ground the first time, what looks like someone punch him when he is down is actually someone throwing a walkie talkie down next to him?

[nopes]

watching the footage again i can now see that it does look more like a throwing motion than punching. not that it changes much in the big picture.

[Beeker]

watching the footage again i can now see that it does look more like a throwing motion than punching. not that it changes much in the big picture.

You can see him pick something up immediately before that. Definitely not a punch. It also just looks like the security guy was just pushed and hit his head as a result of loosing balance and falling backwards (possibly tripping over a skateboard). It's not like they were beating on the guy, it was a freak accident in a tense situation. Notice they all were walking away when the guy came back at them. Doesn't look like there was any attempt to actually hurt the guy. Sometimes really bad shit just happens.

[wake and bacon]

First of all a skateboard was never used on dan in this altercation...secondly it was his walkie talkie that was smashed next to his head on Dan’s first fall not a punch. Thirdly Jesse was not the initial instigator of the incident, take a closer look at video....1st skater-whom i wont name-back 50’s ledge almost into Dan.  That started this shit. Now it was Jesse’s decision to throw the punch that caused Dan his injury but it was the first skater that now has to consistently think the carnage he created for Jesse, GX and Dan.   Facts

assuming you have seen the HD footage, do you think this exonerates jesse? do you think the defense is going to argue that the unnamed back 5050 skater is culpable instead (or in addition)?

even with this info, i can't see a way out for jesse. really does sound like a fucked, tense, freak situation, but at the end of the day, jesse did throw the punch. even if it wasn't the punch that did it (highly likely that it wasn't the punch), he will still be held responsible. unless there is some precedent i'm not aware of for unintended consequences.

[wake and bacon]

heard that, if anything it might lessen his sentencing... people make mistakes all the time and still end up in jail for them, no matter how nice/cool/friendly/loving they are. it's gonna happen to him too, and honestly as it should, actions have consequences, but it's not like he deserves 20+ years for this.

[silhouette]

However you look at it though, Jesse is also a victim, a victim of a culture that has been allowed to go on far too long and that viewers and consumers have fueled by watching and buying boards etc.

You actually have a very valid point here but in no way, shape or form can it be used to justify someone doing a stranger's head in (and not just in court) or else you could equally justify the incriminating actions of pretty much anybody behind bars and then it's the whole prison system you're questioning (why not, but not the time and place I don't think). Being weak enough to succumb to pop culture imagery (because that's what it is) and being irresponsible to actually go through with the act are two different things and a line it takes some issues to cross.

How many of the people that are calling Jesse out, has laughed and shared similar videos where skaters have been in altercations with security and members of the public? If you did, you are all guilty of fueling the behavior that led to this.

I don't think you're being realistic thinking you're a minority for never having being able to stand that type of hi-jinx in skate videos, in reality a lot of people share your position, some always have (i.e. the piss drunk shit was disgusting to me back in the day) and maybe they actually represent the majority of people who've been calling Jesse out which would be entirely logical?

he is now being made a scapegoat for an entire culture

No man come on, he made himself that scapegoat. A horrible thing to do in the first place without a fucking question but also in this case, in selfish terms of personal rep, bad time and place. With the internet shit like this just can't go unnoticed anymore as much as it would back in the 90's when people were a lot more isolated and anonymous. Now one could argue about Big Brother shit having become real, the people watching and snitching on one another through screens etc. but that would be besides the point as the real question is, would you rather let such behaviors get unnoticed? Do you reckon society would be better without its modern sophistication and all its pros and cons including crimes slipping through the cracks?

edit - just saw the above posts so the following may be unnecessary now, but

Also I would encourage getyourfaxstraight and Jesse's crew to stop antagonizing SLAP as a whole and realize this is the place they can try and turn public opinion around if they think they have the elements it takes to do so and can expose some of them publicly at this point. This thread seems full of people who've not bothered reading up on more than its first few pages, when the news were still fresh and before everybody established no skateboards were used in the fight, etc. so they're bound to catch a wave of nonsense from these guys but if they have a different version they can share that would somehow justify the terrible behavior displayed on the security footage (which honestly looks completely unjustifiable, good luck) then here is the place to do so in a constructive manner as opposed to isolated IG posts that are only talk to your little crew, that will only fuel the division and you'll catch flack for. A lot of people in this thread were GX fans before this shit show and it's not their fault your fight was publicized, at all. But it was and now your followers only have footage of you displaying some disgusting behavior to go off one. If anything those 40 pages prove that really nobody ever wanted this shit, but now it's you guys' and nobody's going back, so if you have arguments you can legally make public or even obscure hints to elements missing to the public version of the story then maybe you should dare to try and bring them.

[Fongstarr.]

^^^^Yup. Look at Cory Kennedy. Not purposely done but still his reponsibility and he got years in prison. Jesse will do the same. 


I hope his boys are the ones that try and get him some money for his legal fees and not a gofundme with money from strangers. Seems only right.