Security guard beaten at SF Black Rock

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So does slap fuck with GX1000 again or naw?

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hadn't noticed Chico is there... that's a huge bummer... 

 

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That dude wasnt out there to talk he was out there to be a fuckin tough guy.

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Tries to get people to stop skating the ledges (because that's his fucking job). Tosses a board into the street out of frustration from obviously nobody complying with him trying to get people to stop skating the ledges. Gets shoved by a member of a group who then approaches him again, and then he attempts to defend himself as one person against a group of potential aggressors...and you say he's out there being "a fuckin tough guy". Ok.

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The guard's job is to get people to stop skating the ledges, but attacking perpetrators goes beyond his job duties. When it reached that point (which it absolutely should not have, and that's not initially his fault), he should have gone inside and called the cops. I know he had previously spoken online about his frustration and desire to attack skateboarders, so his hands are hardly clean. He also blindly lashed out at someone who, as the video shows, hadn't instigated the attack or acted aggressively towards him.

Bottom line: there is shared responsibility, and every single person involved should have just walked the fuck away.

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Attacking perpetrators seems like a pretty dishonest interpretation of what happened. He attempted to get people to stop skateboarding and a skateboarder instigated an attack on him. I doubt most people would think "I was just shoved. I should go inside, call the police and wait patiently". The guy thought he was being attacked, because he was, and went into defense mode. He got pitched to the ground and somebody off camera definitely threw his walkie or something at him. He got up to confront that person and got surrounded.

Should he have retreated and gone inside? Sure. Was he the instigator in this situation? Absolutely fucking not.

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I didn't say he was the instigator (that's clearly DeLa), and I don't consider his scuffle with DeLa to be an "attack," but he became an attacker when he got up and charged Jesse. I rewatched the video and after DeLa pushed him to the ground, he had a clear path to leave, grab his walkie, go inside, and diffuse the situation (which, again, EVERYONE INVOLVED SHOULD HAVE DONE, not just the guard). At that point he chose to continue the fight, to everyone's detriment, and Jesse unfortunately chose to retaliate. If Dan was under the impression he was being attacked by 10+ dudes, I don't know what he was thinking by continuing to fight. He's not expected to die for the granite in front of the Bank of America, that goes far beyond his job training and responsibilities.

The inevitable civil case is going to be steamy. Thrasher is bound to get involved.

Damn, you've gone full person with this analysis

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It's all just argy bargy until Jesse throws the radio at his head (which looked on the security cam footage like it might have been a punch but I now accept was a radio being thrown at his head. Not sure which is worse.).
After that point you can see that the security guard has lost it and he gets up to go after Jesse, which I'm pretty sure is the same thing most of us would do. That the serious brain injury appears to be an unfortunate circumstance of the fall does not change the fact that the moment of aggression that changed the incident from something pretty minor to something a lot bigger was Jesse throwing the radio.

I'm not at all down with security guards over reaching their remit and when they do it is only to be expected that a middle aged fat guy is likely to come off worse against a group of fit 20-30 somethings. You reap what you sow. But this is not what I see in this case. Long hair shouldn't of reacted the way he did to his board being tossed. Both he and the security guard could have stepped back to stop the confrontation, but Jesse escalated it and was involved in creating the final outcome. I'd be convicting for that!

[Surf-goth]

So does slap fuck with GX1000 again or naw?

I don't know about slap but I do

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hadn't noticed Chico is there... that's a huge bummer... 

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Was probably on his way to film some ill lines at EMB

[fongool]

life comes at you fast and this video really illustrates that. one minute you're out enjoying yourself skating with the crew and the next, a serious incident has occurred leaving another person brain damaged and you in jail. reminds me of a friend who did 5 years in prison after being provoked into a bar fight out of nowhere. also makes me think of my numerous past run-ins with security and how things could have gone sideways like this real quick.

the security guard overstepped his boundaries here and you really can't deny that. his responsibility is to verbally request for people to leave the property. if that request isn't complied with then he should refer the situation to the local police - that's it. a security guard is not in a position of power or authority over a private citizen. it seems Jansen himself may have forgotten this - why else would you physically provoke a group of 10 by yourself? would he have pulled up on a group of 10 gangbangers and started grabbing their personal property and throwing it in the street?

furthermore, this incident was clearly not pre-meditated in any way and was merely a reaction to the guard's act(s) of aggression which resulted in an unfortunate accidental outcome. they obviously did not start skating the property with the intent to seriously injure the guard. we also do not know the existing dynamic between this guard and the skate community. certainly they have encountered each other before - was this an ongoing contentious scenario?

anyhow, I'm sure every person involved here wishes they could roll back time and walk away to live another day in health and freedom.

[Ocelot]

What was thrown out at the security guard on the ground, the first time he fell? A camera?

Still leaning towards the security guard on this one, even after the GX footage.


Say what you want about security being pooseys and all that but a bunch of (hardcore) dudes in their 30s bombing a hill in broad daylight after leaving a father unconscious on the ground is pretty gay

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So does slap fuck with GX1000 again or naw?

They are a rad skate crew, who had an unfortunate run in with security, and some poor guy may never solve quadratic equations again without a calculator, but gx1k are the shit, as a skate fan i put these guys in my top 3....  i dont support giving people brain damage, its sad as fuck, but skating is dangerous, and skaters get toasted all the time, how could anyone hate on gx for this? Best outcome i can see is, gx go fucking brutal hard and make a vid and donate sales to old mates healthcare. Turn the hateballs expectations on their heads... Shred for secco..

[Mystical Leader]

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So does slap fuck with GX1000 again or naw?

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They are a rad skate crew, who had an unfortunate run in with security, and some poor guy may never solve quadratic equations again without a calculator, but gx1k are the shit, as a skate fan i put these guys in my top 3....  i dont support giving people brain damage, its sad as fuck, but skating is dangerous, and skaters get toasted all the time, how could anyone hate on gx for this? Best outcome i can see is, gx go fucking brutal hard and make a vid and donate sales to old mates healthcare. Turn the hateballs expectations on their heads... Shred for secco..

Nah more like go "social media break" and travel the world on nikes dime...

But that is great idea for gx to do.

[Beeker]

What was thrown out at the security guard on the ground, the first time he fell? A camera?

Still leaning towards the security guard on this one, even after the GX footage.


Say what you want about security being pooseys and all that but a bunch of (hardcore) dudes in their 30s bombing a hill in broad daylight after leaving a father unconscious on the ground is pretty gay

He didn't throw ANYTHING at the security guard. He smashed his walkie talkie on the ground out of frustration. You don't throw something at someone from 5 feet away and miss by 4 feet. It was a stupid decision knowing what the outcome would be 10 seconds later, and it was also probably the reason the guard was so hot when he got up, but it was not a direct attack.

The thing that's fucked up to me is that it's obvious even from the security footage, had the skater footage not come out apparently everyone would still think he punched the guy while he was on the ground.

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hadn't noticed Chico is there... that's a huge bummer... 

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Was probably on his way to film some ill lines at EMB

damn you Slap detectives

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Like I said in the beginning of this thread there was a lot more evidence to come to light, and this is a good part of it. Violence obviously begets violence, Mr. Jansen never should have approached those guys in a physical manner, seriously wtf was he thinking seeing the number of guys out there and getting all Agro. It simply is not his job to fight kids or men in this case just to enforce some silly rule of “no skateboarding allowed”. It’s a bummer that he has brain damage, and I truly hope for the best there, but this is a consequence of fighting, you’ll never know where it will all end. 

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The NYT article is one-sided unbalanced, biased. Mainstream media loves to demonize skateboarders because many of them are not obedient to the establishment (except the Nike and Adidas sellouts and the alike); and, most importantly, it sells.

[Ocelot]

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What was thrown out at the security guard on the ground, the first time he fell? A camera?

Still leaning towards the security guard on this one, even after the GX footage.


Say what you want about security being pooseys and all that but a bunch of (hardcore) dudes in their 30s bombing a hill in broad daylight after leaving a father unconscious on the ground is pretty gay

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He didn't throw ANYTHING at the security guard. He smashed his walkie talkie on the ground out of frustration. You don't throw something at someone from 5 feet away and miss by 4 feet. It was a stupid decision knowing what the outcome would be 10 seconds later, and it was also probably the reason the guard was so hot when he got up, but it was not a direct attack.

The thing that's fucked up to me is that it's obvious even from the security footage, had the skater footage not come out apparently everyone would still think he punched the guy while he was on the ground.

are you actually regular?

where does that object magically appear from between 12-14 seconds?

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Like I said in the beginning of this thread there was a lot more evidence to come to light, and this is a good part of it. Violence obviously begets violence, Mr. Jansen never should have approached those guys in a physical manner, seriously wtf was he thinking seeing the number of guys out there and getting all Agro. It simply is not his job to fight kids or men in this case just to enforce some silly rule of “no skateboarding allowed”. It’s a bummer that he has brain damage, and I truly hope for the best there, but this is a consequence of fighting, you’ll never know where it will all end.

No shit. Kind of like when you push someone over and then a buddy spikes a walkie talkie at them. Pretty sure that is going to cause things to escalate. I can't believe this is even being argued.

Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.

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The NYT article is one-sided unbalanced, biased. Mainstream media loves to demonize skateboarders because many of them are not obedient to the establishment (except the Nike and Adidas sellouts and the alike); and, most importantly, it sells.

It seemed pretty even-handed to me. Skateboarding will always be a little bit illegal as long as we're skating other people's property, so when people ask you to leave you either leave or make your case. Getting in people's face and tough guying it is for the jocks.

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The security guy acted like a tough guy.

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Regardless of who's guilty/not guilty of what, it's pretty shameful that they ran away after Dan hit the ground so hard.

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Regardless of who's guilty/not guilty of what, it's pretty shameful that they ran away after Dan hit the ground so hard.

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Are you the same guy who tells people not to try to help people in a car wreck becasue they might get sued?

You may have misread what he said

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What was thrown out at the security guard on the ground, the first time he fell? A camera?

Still leaning towards the security guard on this one, even after the GX footage.


Say what you want about security being pooseys and all that but a bunch of (hardcore) dudes in their 30s bombing a hill in broad daylight after leaving a father unconscious on the ground is pretty gay

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He didn't throw ANYTHING at the security guard. He smashed his walkie talkie on the ground out of frustration. You don't throw something at someone from 5 feet away and miss by 4 feet. It was a stupid decision knowing what the outcome would be 10 seconds later, and it was also probably the reason the guard was so hot when he got up, but it was not a direct attack.

The thing that's fucked up to me is that it's obvious even from the security footage, had the skater footage not come out apparently everyone would still think he punched the guy while he was on the ground.

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are you actually regular?

where does that object magically appear from between 12-14 seconds?

How does this not make sense? I'm not saying there is no object, he clearly throws the walkie, just not at the guard. It bounces off the ground and thus goes near the guard at some point. It's pretty damn clear in both videos what happens, ya'll are making the skaters seem like psychopaths.

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Why throw it in his vicinity then? You’re making up such lame excuses. It’s absurd.

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Regardless of who's guilty/not guilty of what, it's pretty shameful that they ran away after Dan hit the ground so hard.

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Are you the same guy who tells people not to try to help people in a car wreck becasue they might get sued?

No.

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Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.

the sidewalk is not their property.  it's city property.  Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.

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So the skaters had been there for a while already disrespecting the property.  And then the security disrespects Delatorre's property by throwing his skateboard.  That is crossing the line to him apparently and he initiates a fight by pushing the security guard while he was still on the bench and then charging at the guard.  The only significant blow landed in that fight was to Delatorre's face.

Vierra acts like a pussy by running up to somebody else's fight and initiating an attack on the security guard while he was down.  Security guard gets up and starts to respond in kind and Vierra doesn't want a proper fight so he backs away while adjusting his grip on his board to swing it at the guard which he then does.

The scuffle after that is had to tell what is going on, it appears that someone shoves the guard and that fall might have been what caused the injury.  Or maybe a punch caused him to fall.

In the GX footage it looks like the black guy starts by grabbing the guard.  The security cam footage makes it look like he is clean as he is strongly pulling Vierra away as the guard falls.  Vierra's head comes forward right before the guard falls making it look like he punched or shoved.  At that time the black guy has both arms around Vierra's waist pulling him back.

I wondered who the black guy was because I was curious if it was the same dude that fought a home owner or homeless or something when they parked a car to block the spot/house they were skating.  Don't know how to find that clip though.

Total shit show.  The skaters look bad.

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Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.

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the sidewalk is not their property.  it's city property.  Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.

Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!

I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.

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Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.

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the sidewalk is not their property.  it's city property.  Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.

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Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!

I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.

the mental gymnastics you're going through to vilify these guys despite clear video evidence showing self defense is really impressive. 

Dela fucked your girl?

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You’re tripping. Are you not watching the same video of Dela pushing the security guard first and then his asshole friend throwing his walkie talkie at him as he lays on the ground? This all happens after they were asked to leave on multiple occasions.

Would the security guard not be a vegetable if they had obeyed property rights? They acted like they are entitled to skate wherever they please.

You’re pathetic.

[Abyss1]

So whats the vibe like in SF right now with this making news, are cops fucking with skaters, is the general public talking shit ?

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Silly rule? Yah it's completely unacceptable that people ask for the rules of their property to be obeyed and their employees to be treated with dignity. Some of you are really sad.

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the sidewalk is not their property.  it's city property.  Once they were on the sidewalk he should have gone inside and called the cops.

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Technically but that’s a major stretch and the whole situation could have been avoided. Last I checked Dela was removing their barricade and skate their ledge. So, again, entitlement attitude leads to a fight and a disabled senior citizen. Bravo, guys!

I can’t wait for Dela to lose his sponsorships. Then I can harass him at his job when he has to get a 9 to 5.

Don’t watch any of the older Baker videos guy, you’re gonna be awfully disappointed in Greco.