Truck set ups, less popular brands edition

[Heywoodfloyd]

Film 6.0 on a 8.5 deck, they seem slightly wider than thunder 149's not as wide as 151's, so somewhere inbetween.

They had a Sweet Skateboards logo on the hanger but i took it of with Acetone.

I'm going to try them out today, should be interesting since i have been skating nothing but Thunders and Ventures forever, never really liked Indys.

 

[munchbox]

From the WB on your trucks thread (I took the ATG Alum measurement, slightly over my indy 169 alum)
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108580.0
Tensor ATG Aluminium 5.5 (8.25" axle):
+ 3.0625"

Tensor ATG Mag 5.75 (8.5" axle):
+ 3.125

should add the film and theeve info there too

please do the films. ive seen too many different numbers, maybe the wb changes based on the size?

[Sativa Lung]

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From the WB on your trucks thread (I took the ATG Alum measurement, slightly over my indy 169 alum)
https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108580.0
Tensor ATG Aluminium 5.5 (8.25" axle):
+ 3.0625"

Tensor ATG Mag 5.75 (8.5" axle):
+ 3.125

should add the film and theeve info there too

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please do the films. ive seen too many different numbers, maybe the wb changes based on the size?

Film 5.5 raw on a 14.25" wb scumco deck.

For reference the little claw thing on the tape measure is hooked on the front of the other axle, so the left side would be your center to center measurement.


I'll try to remember to check the hollows when I get home but I can almost guarantee it's the same, the only difference between the raw and hollows is a hollow kingpin and polishing as far as I can tell. The weight difference is like 5 grams, but the hollows do have sweet clear red bushings that look like rubys.

[Esmith5488]

I finally have settled into my thunders. Please stop making me want to buy film trucks

[layzieyez]

I finally have settled into my thunders. Please stop making me want to buy film trucks

...But, just think about the franken-trucking you could do with a set. Adjustable krux mod? Crazy washer stacking?

[Fred Gerwer Frank Gall]

I finally have settled into my thunders. Please stop making me want to buy film trucks

If you've settled into your Thunders, things will only get better. Friend of mind just tried Film and said he did not like the turning at all and went right back to Thunder. It pays to stick with a set of trucks you are OK with.

[Sativa Lung]

I finally have settled into my thunders. Please stop making me want to buy film trucks

You saw me mention how incredibly well they pair with scumco decks right? Just making sure you didn't miss that part.

If you're into Thunders thats cool, we all go through embarrassing phases. I used to ride inferior trucks too.


Interestingly, it looks like the Film hollows are in fact different and the wb is a fair bit wider for the hollows vs the raw.

Same deck (scumco 14.25 " wb) with 5.5  hollows

[munchbox]

oh dont mind me, i was just curious. still ove my thunders, just got another pair of forged 151s two days ago

[whatsreallygood]

Destruco are making trucks in the USA now

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Destructo_D1_Squadron_Truck/descpage-DE1STR.html

"Designed and manufactured in Los Angeles, CA USA"

[drewsmahgoos]

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I finally have settled into my thunders. Please stop making me want to buy film trucks

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You saw me mention how incredibly well they pair with scumco decks right? Just making sure you didn't miss that part.

If you're into Thunders thats cool, we all go through embarrassing phases. I used to ride inferior trucks too.


Interestingly, it looks like the Film hollows are in fact different and the wb is a fair bit wider for the hollows vs the raw.

Same deck (scumco 14.25 " wb) with 5.5  hollows

Do you still like the hollows  despite that wb change?

[bbk]

How can they alter the wb that much, I thought it was just a hollow kingpin, same baseplate and hanger?

[rocklobster]

Copped a pair thanks to you guys, got them in 5.5. Will probably save them for my next 8.25 setup.

[satan]

How can they alter the wb that much, I thought it was just a hollow kingpin, same baseplate and hanger?

Yeah. They shouldn't have a different wb offset. They're gonna be made with the same master/mold. The difference could be cuz how they were assembled? Maybe try pulling the hanger off and see if it's binding up on the bushings or something?

[Sativa Lung]

How can they alter the wb that much, I thought it was just a hollow kingpin, same baseplate and hanger?

I honestly have no idea, but thats what it's measuring at. I assumed it was just a hollow kingpin too. I may have somehow fucked up the first measurement but I went back and remeasured the hollows about a dozen times because I was thinking the same thing.

I already sent my raws to someone on here, I'll ask him to measure them when he gets them (should be today)  to see.

This is how I measured, although this is a different deck with a 14" wb vs the 14.25 in the scumco pic

[Sativa Lung]

Do you still like the hollows  despite that wb change?

Turning is still amazing. They do feel a bit more "venture-esque" but honestly it might just be placebo, I did notice it a little bit before I measured but I chalked it up to difference in how tight I had the nuts cranked.

At any rate, the person I sent the raws to is a bit of a nerd himself so he's agreed to measure them and either verify the original and confirm the difference or tell me I'm a fucking dipshit who doesn't know how to use a tape measure. Both are pretty likely, but I'll let you guys know.

[drewsmahgoos]

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Do you still like the hollows  despite that wb change?

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Turning is still amazing. They do feel a bit more "venture-esque" but honestly it might just be placebo, I did notice it a little bit before I measured but I chalked it up to difference in how tight I had the nuts cranked.

At any rate, the person I sent the raws to is a bit of a nerd himself so he's agreed to measure them and either verify the original and confirm the difference or tell me I'm a fucking dipshit who doesn't know how to use a tape measure. Both are pretty likely, but I'll let you guys know.

Hm, if the wheelbase is different but still rides great then it migbt be worth it to get both regulars and hollows. Could be nice to have a truck you like but still have flexibility when it comes to the length of wheelbase

[whatsreallygood]

Does anyone know what size of film trucks best fits decks between 8.25-8.5? I'm used to trucks with an 8.5 inch axle personally.

[TwisT]

Because I was asked in a DM, and was wrong in a earlier post that’s probably buried by now.

Destructo mids baseplates do get some contact. In this shitty hard to tell picture, I’m riding 54s and the wheels are centimeters off the ledge. Also the magnesium baseplates wear down faster.

https://imgur.com/a/KoZRtYC

You can find Destructo railkillers with the extended aluminum baseplate online. They were on the website but not anymore. I saw them making some red ones in insta but never saw them for sale.

[rocklobster]

Because I was asked in a DM, and was wrong in a earlier post that’s probably buried by now.

Destructo mids baseplates do get some contact. In this shitty hard to tell picture, I’m riding 54s and the wheels are centimeters off the ledge. Also the magnesium baseplates wear down faster.

https://imgur.com/a/KoZRtYC

You can find Destructo railkillers with the extended aluminum baseplate online. They were on the website but not anymore. I saw them making some red ones in insta but never saw them for sale.

Anyone know what's the difference between D1 and D2 trucks? And what they do with WB?

[TwisT]

I’m not a wheel base nerd so I couldn’t tell you,

D1 and D2 have different hanger designs

D1s have a lower kingpin but also a slightly taller truck.

[whatsreallygood]

Setup a fresh pair of Tensors, didn't swap the baseplate or mess with anything, so if these break the same way relatively soon I think I'm sadly just not compatible with them, which would suck since I think they're perfect otherwise. Gonna get some other trucks to have on hold so I'm not out in the cold if these break.

Dunno if I should snag pair of mag D1s on sale atm or get some films. Thanks for the info on the destruco baseplates btw guys. The Films turning and general feel sounds great, plus the inverted kingpin is a plus for me since I dunno how the clearance is on the regular trucks. I'm not too concerned about the wheelbase differences but I wish they didn't do the inbetween sizing, like a 149mm axle instead of 145mm, but whatever. The extra mounting holes really close to the end of the baseplate also make me nervous you'd wear into them really easily and that'd start to really fuck with slides, plus the D1s are just cheaper and easier to obtain. hmmmm 

[jay_nev]

Setup a fresh pair of Tensors, didn't swap the baseplate or mess with anything, so if these break the same way relatively soon I think I'm sadly just not compatible with them, which would suck since I think they're perfect otherwise. Gonna get some other trucks to have on hold so I'm not out in the cold if these break.

which tensors, the maglight you had break? My 5.75 aluminum atg have felt good and strong

[Sativa Lung]

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Because I was asked in a DM, and was wrong in a earlier post that’s probably buried by now.

Destructo mids baseplates do get some contact. In this shitty hard to tell picture, I’m riding 54s and the wheels are centimeters off the ledge. Also the magnesium baseplates wear down faster.

https://imgur.com/a/KoZRtYC

You can find Destructo railkillers with the extended aluminum baseplate online. They were on the website but not anymore. I saw them making some red ones in insta but never saw them for sale.

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Anyone know what's the difference between D1 and D2 trucks? And what they do with WB?

D1 is higher, uses barrel/conical bushings, and seems to be designed as more of an Indy-type truck but I haven't skated them so I don't know if that's actually how they skate. I believe they have the in-between axle sizes too like Tensor Tens/lows.

D2 is a little lower, uses conical/conical bushings, and has more of a Thunder style to it. I have a pair of the 8.5" axle (5.75? I forget what their sizing nomenclature is) and they're excellent. Didn't measure the WB but it feels similar to a cast baseplate thunder with a very responsive turn but seems to go a bit deeper and have a bit more surf to it when riding them tight than thunders. Fairly light weight, the 8.5 is 350g on the dot. Pop is really nice and they just all around feel like a better Thunder 149 to me. Great stock bushings too.


Btw the person I sent the Film raws too measured them and they are in fact shorter wb than the hollows. Again, I have no idea why that is but there must be more to them than just a hollow kingpin. For what its worth the baseplate does appear to be different from the hanger and the baseplate of the raws, it's polished and smooth so maybe they aren't using the same mold or changed it slightly for a newer batch or something. 

[drewsmahgoos]

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Because I was asked in a DM, and was wrong in a earlier post that’s probably buried by now.

Destructo mids baseplates do get some contact. In this shitty hard to tell picture, I’m riding 54s and the wheels are centimeters off the ledge. Also the magnesium baseplates wear down faster.

https://imgur.com/a/KoZRtYC

You can find Destructo railkillers with the extended aluminum baseplate online. They were on the website but not anymore. I saw them making some red ones in insta but never saw them for sale.

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Anyone know what's the difference between D1 and D2 trucks? And what they do with WB?

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D1 is higher, uses barrel/conical bushings, and seems to be designed as more of an Indy-type truck but I haven't skated them so I don't know if that's actually how they skate. I believe they have the in-between axle sizes too like Tensor Tens/lows.

D2 is a little lower, uses conical/conical bushings, and has more of a Thunder style to it. I have a pair of the 8.5" axle (5.75? I forget what their sizing nomenclature is) and they're excellent. Didn't measure the WB but it feels similar to a cast baseplate thunder with a very responsive turn but seems to go a bit deeper and have a bit more surf to it when riding them tight than thunders. Fairly light weight, the 8.5 is 350g on the dot. Pop is really nice and they just all around feel like a better Thunder 149 to me. Great stock bushings too.


Btw the person I sent the Film raws too measured them and they are in fact shorter wb than the hollows. Again, I have no idea why that is but there must be more to them than just a hollow kingpin. For what its worth the baseplate does appear to be different from the hanger and the baseplate of the raws, it's polished and smooth so maybe they aren't using the same mold or changed it slightly for a newer batch or something.

Hm, how does the wheelbase change make you feel? Still as big of a fan? Do you think you'll end up grabbing raws again? How drastic is the difference(and no worries if you don't know) in wheelbase from the raws to hollows compared to something like raws to ventures?

[whatsreallygood]

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Setup a fresh pair of Tensors, didn't swap the baseplate or mess with anything, so if these break the same way relatively soon I think I'm sadly just not compatible with them, which would suck since I think they're perfect otherwise. Gonna get some other trucks to have on hold so I'm not out in the cold if these break.

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which tensors, the maglight you had break? My 5.75 aluminum atg have felt good and strong

I broke some aluminums too Same was as the maglights before, I posted some photos showing how they broke. I've got another pair so I'm hoping it was just a defect, but it's broken twice the same way with the maglights and now alluminums. I'm not huge either, just tall but I do tend to chew through gear. I've broken other truck brands, I'm just particularly bummed about these since they've been perfect otherwise.

[Sativa Lung]

Hm, how does the wheelbase change make you feel? Still as big of a fan? Do you think you'll end up grabbing raws again? How drastic is the difference(and no worries if you don't know) in wheelbase from the raws to hollows compared to something like raws to ventures?

Still a huge fan. Before I measured I did notice that they were a little bit more stable and just a cunthair less turn-y but I figured I had just tightened them up a bit more. After measuring it's hard to say what's placebo and what's actually down to the difference. It's not a drastic difference but its significant, I think its between 1/4 and a 1/2" difference but I'm too tired to do the math right now. At any rate, they're still fucking amazing... still turn on a dime and still pop just as well.

The person I traded the raws to tends to not really like close-set wheelbase trucks like Ace/Theeve as much as I do so I told him that if he hates them or feels like that's an issue then I'll be happy to trade him the hollows for the raws (the weight difference is only like 5g, it's pretty insignificant) but I'm not going to go out and buy another set of raws because I think they're superior or anything. Both are amazing and any perceived difference is probably down to my madness more than how the trucks actually perform.

[whatsreallygood]

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Because I was asked in a DM, and was wrong in a earlier post that’s probably buried by now.

Destructo mids baseplates do get some contact. In this shitty hard to tell picture, I’m riding 54s and the wheels are centimeters off the ledge. Also the magnesium baseplates wear down faster.

https://imgur.com/a/KoZRtYC

You can find Destructo railkillers with the extended aluminum baseplate online. They were on the website but not anymore. I saw them making some red ones in insta but never saw them for sale.

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Anyone know what's the difference between D1 and D2 trucks? And what they do with WB?

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D1 is higher, uses barrel/conical bushings, and seems to be designed as more of an Indy-type truck but I haven't skated them so I don't know if that's actually how they skate. I believe they have the in-between axle sizes too like Tensor Tens/lows.

D2 is a little lower, uses conical/conical bushings, and has more of a Thunder style to it. I have a pair of the 8.5" axle (5.75? I forget what their sizing nomenclature is) and they're excellent. Didn't measure the WB but it feels similar to a cast baseplate thunder with a very responsive turn but seems to go a bit deeper and have a bit more surf to it when riding them tight than thunders. Fairly light weight, the 8.5 is 350g on the dot. Pop is really nice and they just all around feel like a better Thunder 149 to me. Great stock bushings too.


Btw the person I sent the Film raws too measured them and they are in fact shorter wb than the hollows. Again, I have no idea why that is but there must be more to them than just a hollow kingpin. For what its worth the baseplate does appear to be different from the hanger and the baseplate of the raws, it's polished and smooth so maybe they aren't using the same mold or changed it slightly for a newer batch or something.

That's so bizarre that the baseplate is different. It'd could be a newer batch like you mentioned.

[rocklobster]

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Because I was asked in a DM, and was wrong in a earlier post that’s probably buried by now.

Destructo mids baseplates do get some contact. In this shitty hard to tell picture, I’m riding 54s and the wheels are centimeters off the ledge. Also the magnesium baseplates wear down faster.

https://imgur.com/a/KoZRtYC

You can find Destructo railkillers with the extended aluminum baseplate online. They were on the website but not anymore. I saw them making some red ones in insta but never saw them for sale.

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Anyone know what's the difference between D1 and D2 trucks? And what they do with WB?

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D1 is higher, uses barrel/conical bushings, and seems to be designed as more of an Indy-type truck but I haven't skated them so I don't know if that's actually how they skate. I believe they have the in-between axle sizes too like Tensor Tens/lows.

D2 is a little lower, uses conical/conical bushings, and has more of a Thunder style to it. I have a pair of the 8.5" axle (5.75? I forget what their sizing nomenclature is) and they're excellent. Didn't measure the WB but it feels similar to a cast baseplate thunder with a very responsive turn but seems to go a bit deeper and have a bit more surf to it when riding them tight than thunders. Fairly light weight, the 8.5 is 350g on the dot. Pop is really nice and they just all around feel like a better Thunder 149 to me. Great stock bushings too.

A pair of Arto Magnesium D1 Mid trucks appeared.

[Xen]

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I finally have settled into my thunders. Please stop making me want to buy film trucks

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You saw me mention how incredibly well they pair with scumco decks right? Just making sure you didn't miss that part.

If you're into Thunders thats cool, we all go through embarrassing phases. I used to ride inferior trucks too.


Interestingly, it looks like the Film hollows are in fact different and the wb is a fair bit wider for the hollows vs the raw.

Same deck (scumco 14.25 " wb) with 5.5  hollows

You've been riding film for how long?

 

[whatsreallygood]

Getting some 5.75 Mag D1s. Decided these over the films since the destructos seem to have regular sizing from what I found here:

https://www.warehouseskateboards.com/destructo-trucks-d1-mag-team-lite-silver-red-skateboard-trucks-5.75-hanger-8.5-axle-set-of-2

This site seems to have accurate measurements for trucks. Also the extra hole positions on the film baseplate sketch me out since it seems really easy to warp the main 4 and grind down into the the other 2. Anyways excited to see how they D1s skate