Al Davis on scumbag?

[Youoverthere]

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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.

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This.

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[Nyjahsnanny]

Cousin rapist

[pizzafliptofakie]

The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.

When is the last time such a barrage of accusations and stories ended up NOT being true? False accusations are obviously bad but statistically speaking it is a total anomaly when it comes to these situations. Can you name a single situation in skateboarding where someone spoke out against someone, had a decent crowd backing their statement, and it was totally false? If you genuinely care to have a nuanced opinion on this you should read up on this and understand why taking to social media about these issues is not some unreasonable "cancel culture" attack.

[blurst_of_times]

The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.

When have sexual assault and/or rape allegations completely destroyed a pro skater's life?

[Ms. Tamzarian]

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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.

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When is the last time such a barrage of accusations and stories ended up NOT being true? False accusations are obviously bad but statistically speaking it is a total anomaly when it comes to these situations. Can you name a single situation in skateboarding where someone spoke out against someone, had a decent crowd backing their statement, and it was totally false? If you genuinely care to have a nuanced opinion on this you should read up on this and understand why taking to social media about these issues is not some unreasonable "cancel culture" attack.

Absolutely. This is essential and you nailed it.

Now for me to be a bitch....

Fuck a man feeling safe in his innocence

No man is innocent, and that's the real issue here

It's gonna be the same stupid merry go round of Not All Men until All Men get that shit in their heads

Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna fuck off cause this shit is depressing.

I hate this world and I hate that this shit is fucking NORMAL.

[urbneathme]

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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.

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When is the last time such a barrage of accusations and stories ended up NOT being true? False accusations are obviously bad but statistically speaking it is a total anomaly when it comes to these situations. Can you name a single situation in skateboarding where someone spoke out against someone, had a decent crowd backing their statement, and it was totally false? If you genuinely care to have a nuanced opinion on this you should read up on this and understand why taking to social media about these issues is not some unreasonable "cancel culture" attack.

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Absolutely. This is essential and you nailed it.

Now for me to be a bitch....

Fuck a man feeling safe in his innocence

No man is innocent, and that's the real issue here

It's gonna be the same stupid merry go round of Not All Men until All Men get that shit in their heads

Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna fuck off cause this shit is depressing.

I hate this world and I hate that this shit is fucking NORMAL.

perfectly said

[Alan]

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Funny how these 'reasonable' calls for caution come up only when sexual assault or harassment are involved. Well, that and racist attacks/incidents. Misogyny and racism go hand in hand, I guess.

These guys are more than happy to ignore the fact that the legal system has so many times fucked the victims and that simply talking about rape is traumatic for them. But sure, let's be careful and not jump to any conclusions before (and only if) there is a trial and a verdict.

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You raped me. You are going to jail.

You're a grown-ass man who gets off on edgelording in threads about racism and sexual assault. You're pathetic. Bye.

[Alan]

The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.

I really hope you've never said this to victims of rape and sexual assault.

[IpathCats]

Man, I knew I was getting agreed with too much on SLAP for that to continue haha. Just a couple quick clarifications before I exit this convo. I said false accusations have the POTENTIAL to ruin lives, I feel that's pretty obvious. I agree with pizza that more accusations are legit than not, however I don't feel that the potential of ruining an innocent person's life is a cost ever worth paying. Alan, I have no issue stating this to anyone, and I'm completely compassionate towards all victims of assault, I have no idea what you're getting at.

Fuck a man feeling safe in his innocence

No man is innocent, and that's the real issue here

There's no sense in trying to reason with the unreasonable. I sincerely wish all victims of assault get the justice they deserve, and I fear the day an innocent person's life lays in the hands of another person's words alone. I'm out of this thread, I promised myself no more serious discussions on SLAP, and I'm remembering why. Have a good one guys, and be good to eachother.

[Crislerheaven]

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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.

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When is the last time such a barrage of accusations and stories ended up NOT being true? False accusations are obviously bad but statistically speaking it is a total anomaly when it comes to these situations. Can you name a single situation in skateboarding where someone spoke out against someone, had a decent crowd backing their statement, and it was totally false? If you genuinely care to have a nuanced opinion on this you should read up on this and understand why taking to social media about these issues is not some unreasonable "cancel culture" attack.

[Alan]

I said false accusations have the POTENTIAL to ruin lives, I feel that's pretty obvious.

Why even bring this up? This sort of talk only serves to discredit the victim. Also, it's a weird sort of compassion to tell a victim that it's possible they're lying.

[blurst_of_times]

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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.

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When is the last time such a barrage of accusations and stories ended up NOT being true? False accusations are obviously bad but statistically speaking it is a total anomaly when it comes to these situations. Can you name a single situation in skateboarding where someone spoke out against someone, had a decent crowd backing their statement, and it was totally false? If you genuinely care to have a nuanced opinion on this you should read up on this and understand why taking to social media about these issues is not some unreasonable "cancel culture" attack.

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Wasn’t there a situation just like this 6ish months ago. That girl called out some Washington or Oregon skater and said he was abusive and she’d been in touch with all of the guys ex girlfriends. Slap freaked out, and everyone got their pitchforks but a few day’s later that same girl made a slap account to explain she should’ve never posted those accusations in the first place and she only did it because they were going through a fight and she wanted the thread taken down because she knew he had changed for the better a long time ago. Sorry I don’t remember names and specifics.

I’m not saying that’s the case here, these accusations seem 100%, I’m just saying that it’s not always that cut and dry

What happened to the skater? Was his life destroyed?

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Damn i was hoping scumbag was a company or smth.

[Lowcalcium]

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Damn i was hoping scumbag was a company or smth.

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I thought Al Davis left Quasi for Scum Co. & Sons....now I'm just sad on this rainy afternoon.

If these multiple accusations are true...I wonder if Quasi will kick him off

[NoComply180]

Always found his skating super boring. Another skater with more style than substance. If these accusations are true I hope the victims get as much justice and support as possible.

[Mr. Kamikazi]

oh fun, once again, dudes of slap not understanding sexual abuse and trauma. this will go super well

if this is true, it's a massive bummer, and i hope the women get the help and justice they deserve

I appreciate people like you.

To those who do not have a clue, do some reading that doesn’t involve this board and other nonsense.

[fulltechnicalskizzy]

how can someone switch tre so beautifully and be so ugly inside  :'(

[CossRooper]

I have literally no useful opinion on Al's case in particular but I've been thinking lately-- you know what's interesting? I feel like the cancellations happen mostly to people that use their image to sell shit.

Like somehow, your ability to get publically called out is directly proportional to how much you use your name and image (or companies use them) in the public sphere, social media, etc. That's maybe why a public callout is so rife in skateboarding: the whole industry is based on image building and cults of personality. But its also true for politicians, huge influencers, actors, etc etc. Jim from your local paper companies' Accounting department with no instagram does not get cancelled in this fashion.

For a long time we were sold products because of his tasteful midwest ripper cool factor. And indeed the girl was responding to a Cons post, which is technically an ad cashing in on his public image to sell shoes.

I don't know quite what I'm getting at, but maybe when you work in an industry where you make money because your name and image is thrust into other peoples lives, then maybe you should expect some negative things to come from that. Yin/Yang, there's no free lunch, etc etc. If you want to run your sex life hard and fast and be aggro/creepy/forceful with women, just something to think about: your name is out there. You aren't some random dude. Yes, that's how you make your money, but there's gotta be downsides to skating for a living, traveling the world, and not doing 9-5 wage slave shit like the rest of us. this is probably one of them.

[pizzafliptofakie]

I have literally no useful opinion on Al's case in particular but I've been thinking lately-- you know what's interesting? I feel like the cancellations happen mostly to people that use their image to sell shit.

Like somehow, your ability to get publically called out is directly proportional to how much you use your name and image (or companies use them) in the public sphere, social media, etc. That's maybe why a public callout is so rife in skateboarding: the whole industry is based on image building and cults of personality. But its also true for politicians, huge influencers, actors, etc etc. Jim from your local paper companies' Accounting department with no instagram does not get cancelled in this fashion.

For a long time we were sold products because of his tasteful midwest ripper cool factor. And indeed the girl was responding to a Cons post, which is technically an ad cashing in on his public image to sell shoes.

I don't know quite what I'm getting at, but maybe when you work in an industry where you make money because your name and image is thrust into other peoples lives, then maybe you should expect some negative things to come from that. Yin/Yang, there's no free lunch, etc etc. If you want to run your sex life hard and fast and be aggro/creepy/forceful with women, just something to think about: your name is out there. You aren't some random dude. Yes, that's how you make your money, but there's gotta be downsides to skating for a living, traveling the world, and not doing 9-5 wage slave shit like the rest of us. this is probably one of them.

Imagine hearing a story about someone being a rapist and your chief concern is "cancel culture".

[Billy Bitchcakes]

Isn't that just a long winded way of saying only famous people get cancelled? That seems kind of obvious, you can't get cancelled if there's nothing to cancel you from. Although I'm with others in this thread that the whole notion of cancelling is bollocks anyway

[Madam, I'm Adam]

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The fact that people can't recognize aspects of both of these arguments as valid, hurts my brain/heart. This is an incredibly nuanced issue, women need to be heard and protected from these creeps, but at the same time we can't have a fucking unruly witch-hunt based on words alone. Have some fucking empathy, and try to think about the downsides of your preferred course of action. Both "solutions" right now have the potential to absolutely destroy perfectly good people, and that's wrong. Rapists should not go free, false accusations should have real consequences. Women should feel safe and confident in their ability to report this horrible shit and it be taken care of. Men should feel safe and confident in their innocence if they have done nothing to jeopardize it. Stop acting like you've got this shit figured out, because we clearly DON'T.

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When is the last time such a barrage of accusations and stories ended up NOT being true? False accusations are obviously bad but statistically speaking it is a total anomaly when it comes to these situations. Can you name a single situation in skateboarding where someone spoke out against someone, had a decent crowd backing their statement, and it was totally false? If you genuinely care to have a nuanced opinion on this you should read up on this and understand why taking to social media about these issues is not some unreasonable "cancel culture" attack.

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Absolutely. This is essential and you nailed it.

Now for me to be a bitch....

Fuck a man feeling safe in his innocence

No man is innocent, and that's the real issue here

It's gonna be the same stupid merry go round of Not All Men until All Men get that shit in their heads

Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna fuck off cause this shit is depressing.

I hate this world and I hate that this shit is fucking NORMAL.

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perfectly said

[CossRooper]

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Imagine hearing a story about someone being a rapist and your chief concern is "cancel culture".

yo... not my "chief concern" whatsoever and I almost instantly regret using the word "cancel" as it almost appears as though i'm belittling it. That's just the term that came to mind. Its just some side thoughts on social media and how it relates to an industry based on marketing and image.

Isn't that just a long winded way of saying only famous people get cancelled? That seems kind of obvious, you can't get cancelled if there's nothing to cancel you from.

yes, that's a more concise way of saying it.

But that's kind of the key right? It's so hard for me to even imagine feeling bad for the "accused". this is what you signed up for; trading being in the public sphere in order to sell shit to kids' parents and be able to have an alternative lifestyle.

[Lenny the Fatface]

Wait, wait, wait...a non-rich black dude that operates in mostly white spaces made it to eight rapes before it was reported to police?

We need to separate the persona from the crime and understand that people we like can do gross things, but also get the message out there that victims need to go to police with this stuff. Instagram or a Slap thread isn’t shit and has done nothing to any of the people accused.

I understand officers suck at believing women, but trust me...they’ll believe you a whole lot more when a non famous black guy is involved.

[blurst_of_times]

Wait, wait, wait...a non-rich black dude that operates in mostly white spaces made it to eight rapes before it was reported to police?

We need to separate the persona from the crime and understand that people we like can do gross things, but also get the message out there that victims need to go to police with this stuff. Instagram or a Slap thread isn’t shit and has done nothing to any of the people accused.

I understand officers suck at believing women, but trust me...they’ll believe you a whole lot more when a non famous black guy is involved.

Who's to say that they haven't?

[Lenny the Fatface]

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Wait, wait, wait...a non-rich black dude that operates in mostly white spaces made it to eight rapes before it was reported to police?

We need to separate the persona from the crime and understand that people we like can do gross things, but also get the message out there that victims need to go to police with this stuff. Instagram or a Slap thread isn’t shit and has done nothing to any of the people accused.

I understand officers suck at believing women, but trust me...they’ll believe you a whole lot more when a non famous black guy is involved.

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Who's to say that they haven't?

Fair point, but if he was in a legal situation like that I don’t see a big corporation still backing him. Not dropping Nyjah is one thing, because of the money involved. But it’s nothing to let go of Al Davis.

[Theseaorganization]

labor really put in work to make an ass of himself on this one

Actually that labor person is the only one seeing this in a rational way.

[RichardBarkley]

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labor really put in work to make an ass of himself on this one

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Actually that labor person is the only one seeing this in a rational way.

Correct.

[Christmas Complete]

Maybe labor could argue that Al was merely asked to bust up 8 chifferobes.

[applejuice]

Wow I don't understand at all why they wouldn't go to the police after being raped...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/us/police-sexual-assaults-maryland-scope
Also this is entirely based off of convictions. How many do you think didn't get reported or further investigated? Probably the majority.

[Lenny the Fatface]

Wow I don't understand at all why they wouldn't go to the police after being raped...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/19/us/police-sexual-assaults-maryland-scope
Also this is entirely based off of convictions. How many do you think didn't get reported or further investigated? Probably the majority.

Yeah the police also get away with murder all the time, but they’re your go-to when a murder happens, not Instagram (well...unless you’re live streaming a police murder).