questions that don't deserve their own thread

[Mbrimson88]

What's the deal with the T148 on Thunder trucks hangers? Is this a new thing or something else?

Someone at DLX had the good idea to put the size of the truck on the hanger end.

T for Thunder, then 143, 145, 147, 148, 149, 151 or 161 depending on the size of the truck, so T148 is the 8.25 size truck.

Others have done this too, Ace on the front corner and Indy under the hanger end in the same position as Thunder.  Venture have it under the pivot area on their trucks.

All this is by no means new - been doing it for a long time, but the main thing is it should help anyone to make sure they have the right size trucks.


A post from around 2020, with Thunder, Indy and Ace, but Thunder have been doing it for a long time before that.


https://www.instagram.com/mbrimson88/p/CIUE_1Xl2bI/

[rawbertson.]

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Was just messing around with trucks at the skate shop
I line up the holes perfectly and notice there is quite a difference between all the brands of baseplate.

Ventures have an abnormally large baseplate and I didn’t realize that they actually push the wheelbase out MORE than thunders. I always reference this website, I noticed they have venture hi lights listed at this wheelbase, but I think the normal cast made plate trucks have this wheelbase too (perhaps this chart is a bit out dated)

https://freedomskateshop.at/en-int/blogs/skate-tech/wheelbase-und-trucks?srsltid=AfmBOorz8imFY6zNqTeMTiVizf76aLTo52MOGzmu_JQTtTBVKRXUJNMO

Lurpiv and Thunder are identical as far as I can tell. I took a picture of this. But the key difference is Thunders have a short baseplate so I think this is why people complain that the wheels brush up against more than ventures even though they technically push the wheelbase out more. The long baseplate helps keep the wheels away from the ledge. So in essence Lurpiv has this too.

https://ibb.co/XDytpSR

Everything else seems like it makes sense though

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The chart says Indy Forged Titanium is under +3", which is not true. They push out the wheelbase around +3.125, and all forged Indys are the same. It's not like there's a difference between Forged hollow and Forged titanium.

This list should be more accurate (it's gathered from various Slap posts, excluding some less popular manufacturers):

Ace Classic +2.75"
Ace AF1 +3.0"
Indy Standard +3.0“
Indy Forged +3.125“
Royals +3.125”
Slappy +3.125
Thunder cast +3.125”
Thunder forged +3.25"
Venture cast +3.2”
Venture forged +3.4”

This might not be scientifically 100 % accurate, but it's pretty close on average. Someone can add Lurpiv as I have no idea.

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https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108580.0

Older but has the odd brands (Destructo, Film, Tensor) and non-standard ones like Venture 6.1 (+3.125").

Revisiting that threads brings me back to the COVID days when we had loads of time on our hands to measure every truck brand.

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Wouldn't call Film odd they are pretty popular here in France.

ohh lets gooo this looks really good thanks guys!!

I agree 100% with what was said by Rikki in that several trucks listed there should not have had any difference in geometry. this is my new reference point!!

 From the image that I posted, I would say that Lurpivs were 1:1 identical to Thunder as far as I could tell (Team - Cast plate) its hard to tell if i have the holes lined up completely perfectly but I am pretty sure they were. 


That is interesting to note that -
Slappy, Thunder, Indy Forged, and Lurpiv are all the same.
and AF1 is same as indy standard

[Unkle Fleak]

I can’t save that post.

Have you been nice to someone lately? Have you watched JD do vert tricks?

[moonordie]

Are Lurpiv bushings affected by weather?
In my experience Indy's are terrible in the sense that in summer you have to tight them up and in winter loosen them a lot. With AF1 I don't have this issue.
Wonder how it is with Lurpivs.

[rawbertson.]

Are Lurpiv bushings affected by weather?
In my experience Indy's are terrible in the sense that in summer you have to tight them up and in winter loosen them a lot. With AF1 I don't have this issue.
Wonder how it is with Lurpivs.

i am into -3 and they seem like they are holding up really well compared to thunders. I was actually kinda shocked that they felt that normal. overnight it may have went as cold as -10 even and the board was left in the trunk.  they dont seem like they are affected much at all. i did start to bring my board into the house at night though, not sure if i wanna continue leaving it in the car overnight.

[Unkle Fleak]

I do dlx loose trucks in the dead of. They feel like purps with a few spins on the tennis court ground.

[moonordie]

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Are Lurpiv bushings affected by weather?
In my experience Indy's are terrible in the sense that in summer you have to tight them up and in winter loosen them a lot. With AF1 I don't have this issue.
Wonder how it is with Lurpivs.

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i am into -3 and they seem like they are holding up really well compared to thunders. I was actually kinda shocked that they felt that normal. overnight it may have went as cold as -10 even and the board was left in the trunk.  they dont seem like they are affected much at all. i did start to bring my board into the house at night though, not sure if i wanna continue leaving it in the car overnight.

That's great feedback for such a badly asked question.
Gnarred.

[ambiguousclarity]

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Do Ventures need aftermarket bushings? If so, which ones are good?

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The ones they come with are good.

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Stock ones are great until they crack or crumble. If you're lucky you may find the Bait & Tackle ones from a few years ago but good luck with that. Ace Low or standard bushings are you next best bet, riding the Low Hard ones and they're great.

I'm using ace hard bottom bushing (shaved down) and a thunder top bushing and like the combo. I switch the top bushing depending on temperature (hot temps = harder duro) cause I like a tad more stability.

[rawbertson.]

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Are Lurpiv bushings affected by weather?
In my experience Indy's are terrible in the sense that in summer you have to tight them up and in winter loosen them a lot. With AF1 I don't have this issue.
Wonder how it is with Lurpivs.

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i am into -3 and they seem like they are holding up really well compared to thunders. I was actually kinda shocked that they felt that normal. overnight it may have went as cold as -10 even and the board was left in the trunk.  they dont seem like they are affected much at all. i did start to bring my board into the house at night though, not sure if i wanna continue leaving it in the car overnight.

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That's great feedback for such a badly asked question.
Gnarred.

i dont know why i referenced thunders and not indys lol because reading that back I have had the exact same expereince you had with indys and aces as well. i think i said thunders because i have been riding them the past 2 years and they seem to just lose 100% of turn if you leave them in the trunk overnight past september here.

[WashingtonNECKTIE]

After getting back into cupsoles recently, the fastbreaks are very temping to try and swoop on sale.

Anyone have things they didn't like about em? My minor gripe is the sole is ugly as sin, but the upper looks so good.

Also lots of leather on recent colorways. The black/grey/gum seem mostly suede, but do they make suede fastbreaks that often?

[DERBY]

After getting back into cupsoles recently, the fastbreaks are very temping to try and swoop on sale.

Anyone have things they didn't like about em? My minor gripe is the sole is ugly as sin, but the upper looks so good.

Also lots of leather on recent colorways. The black/grey/gum seem mostly suede, but do they make suede fastbreaks that often?

they dont really pump many of the majority suede options. hopefully they do

only thing i disliked was the outsole. i personally found them way too slick even on brand new mob and pepper. other than that best feeling shoe

[SupremePizza]

Does anyone have any recommendations for short fat boards? I'm trying to build something for my cat to push around

[back smith]

Does anyone have any recommendations for short fat boards? I'm trying to build something for my cat to push around

Santa Monica Airlines Natas Kaupas "Panther"

[Unkle Fleak]

That loan out pushing bullshit from Dlxx is over. Just make sure you get the see through ones like these. As soon as manufacturing move to Mexico or that we could see on the stickers that move to Mexico problems over. This is on par with all the best bushings, I’ve had in my life. Those old ones they did suck. I would say one set out of every four trucks was good. Those days are gone.  I’m five trucks deep into this move and 0 blow outs out cracks.

I just wanna put that stuff to bed you know can’t we just enjoy the shit and not try to shoot it down  this is just as much slap glory as it is deluxe glory v2020

[BartHarleyJarvis]

Does anyone have any recommendations for short fat boards? I'm trying to build something for my cat to push around

The Antihero Grimple Beach in the last drop might be the best, current board available. Similar to their Beach Bum shape. Or if Krooked drops another Zip Zogger.

https://www.tactics.com/anti-hero/grimple-beach-955-skateboard-deck

Could also spend $20 on ths LB Skate cruiser deck. Similar to the beach but about a 3/4" narrower.

https://lbskate.com/collections/shaped-decks/products/long-beach-skate-co-rising-sun-on-light-mary-gold-red-blue-gs5-mini-shape-skateboard-deck

[rawbertson.]

has anyone ever taken out the insoles of Vans or Converse shoes and put in the good insoles from a pro model inside? would that actually work? just use an exacto knife to rip the old one out? or should i just leave it... got a bunch of pairs in mint condition from thrift store Vans Era, Old Skool, and One Stars that I have pro soles for.

[Mbrimson88]

has anyone ever taken out the insoles of Vans or Converse shoes and put in the good insoles from a pro model inside? would that actually work? just use an exacto knife to rip the old one out? or should i just leave it... got a bunch of pairs in mint condition from thrift store Vans Era, Old Skool, and One Stars that I have pro soles for.

Yes, that is my go to in the shoe department.

I always get the Classic Vans range, then remove the glued in footbed and put in pro insoles, but in general they tend not to want to come out easily.  Some are so thoroughly glued in I am sure I am going to wreck the shoes trying to get them out, others come out like they never seemed glued down at all.

The main thing is to leave the bottom cardboard or fibre material there and get out the two upper parts, usually blue or white foam layer and the heel rubber part, sometimes black, sometimes white, natural or other colour.

A butter knife or something flat but not sharp works best, from my experience, cause most other things will gouge into the lower layer which is best left in the shoe.  Also getting in between the layered bits can sometimes be super easy, other times almost impossible, but older shoes that have been left out in the sun tend to come up a lot more easily than newer ones.

I made a half dozen posts about it too, whether or not they help:

[rawbertson.]

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has anyone ever taken out the insoles of Vans or Converse shoes and put in the good insoles from a pro model inside? would that actually work? just use an exacto knife to rip the old one out? or should i just leave it... got a bunch of pairs in mint condition from thrift store Vans Era, Old Skool, and One Stars that I have pro soles for.

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Yes, that is my go to in the shoe department.

I always get the Classic Vans range, then remove the glued in footbed and put in pro insoles, but in general they tend not to want to come out easily.  Some are so thoroughly glued in I am sure I am going to wreck the shoes trying to get them out, others come out like they never seemed glued down at all.

The main thing is to leave the bottom cardboard or fibre material there and get out the two upper parts, usually blue or white foam layer and the heel rubber part, sometimes black, sometimes white, natural or other colour.

A butter knife or something flat but not sharp works best, from my experience, cause most other things will gouge into the lower layer which is best left in the shoe.  Also getting in between the layered bits can sometimes be super easy, other times almost impossible, but older shoes that have been left out in the sun tend to come up a lot more easily than newer ones.

I made a half dozen posts about it too, whether or not they help:

Do I need to add that cardboard and extra tongue? or those are just extra things you like to do?

[DERBY]

when a deck wb is labelled 14.2 is it 14.20 or 14.02?

edit: nvm it’s 14.20

[Mbrimson88]

Do I need to add that cardboard and extra tongue? or those are just extra things you like to do?

No that is because I have flat and messed up feet.  This is cheaper and easier than orthotic insole options.

Some people do find that they need an extra something in there, as the shoe has no padding on top but others find their shoe is too tight with anything else besides a foot and sock.  Sock optional anyway.

[rawbertson.]

Yo I just replaced my first cons one and it was so easy. All I used was one of those super flat wrenches that comes with ikea type furniture. It feels absolutely amazing. I put a 11 insole into a 10.5 and somehow it’s fitting absolutely perfect. I am going to have skate shoes for ages now

Thank you so much Mr Brimson

[jsettle]

never tried thunders before, but im on the fence if i should get thunders or the new venture v8s...ive skated venture5.8 standards before and they werent too bad. normally skate i dy or ace but want to give something new a try. what would yall recommend? i skate transition at parks and curbs for the most part

[back smith]

never tried thunders before, but im on the fence if i should get thunders or the new venture v8s...ive skated venture5.8 standards before and they werent too bad. normally skate i dy or ace but want to give something new a try. what would yall recommend? i skate transition at parks and curbs for the most part

Thunders are great, give them a try.

[MMongrel]

has anyone ever taken out the insoles of Vans or Converse shoes and put in the good insoles from a pro model inside? would that actually work? just use an exacto knife to rip the old one out? or should i just leave it... got a bunch of pairs in mint condition from thrift store Vans Era, Old Skool, and One Stars that I have pro soles for.

The pair of Sk8 Hi's (not the skate ones) I have now I just put an already skated insole from Nike's on top of the flat ass stock insole and It's worked pretty good. Probably won't work for every feet of course.

[PatrickSkateman]

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never tried thunders before, but im on the fence if i should get thunders or the new venture v8s...ive skated venture5.8 standards before and they werent too bad. normally skate i dy or ace but want to give something new a try. what would yall recommend? i skate transition at parks and curbs for the most part

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Thunders are great, give them a try.

Thunder axles sip like crazy. When someone at a session does something sick, be sure to bang your board in applause on the slipped axle.

[rawbertson.]

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never tried thunders before, but im on the fence if i should get thunders or the new venture v8s...ive skated venture5.8 standards before and they werent too bad. normally skate i dy or ace but want to give something new a try. what would yall recommend? i skate transition at parks and curbs for the most part

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Thunders are great, give them a try.

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Thunder axles sip like crazy. When someone at a session does something sick, be sure to bang your board in applause on the slipped axle.

lol I havent seen an axle slip in like 20 years i want to say...?

have never heard this complaint about axle slip lol not sure if thats a  troll. the main thing i have heard people complain about and i understand now is the baseplate is very short, combined with one of the most pushed out wheelbases available, it really causes the wheels to drag on square ledge nose/tailslide tricks. Ventures push the wheelbase out even more, but since the baseplate on ventures is gigantic, your wheels are less likely to brush the wall.

Thunders are lighter than Ventures and slightly lower, but just by 1mm if we are talking cast plate. if you get into Venture Lows you can go super low - lower than thunders, and also the thunder lights or hollow lights with the forged baseplates can get pretty low too.

Thunders are known for a very hard pinch where Ventures have a bit more gradual turn. This is because Thunder uses 2x Barrel Style Bushings where Ventures uses the traditional Cylinder shape for the bottom bushing and a barrel style for the top.

[PatrickSkateman]

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never tried thunders before, but im on the fence if i should get thunders or the new venture v8s...ive skated venture5.8 standards before and they werent too bad. normally skate i dy or ace but want to give something new a try. what would yall recommend? i skate transition at parks and curbs for the most part

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Thunders are great, give them a try.

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Thunder axles sip like crazy. When someone at a session does something sick, be sure to bang your board in applause on the slipped axle.

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lol I havent seen an axle slip in like 20 years i want to say...?

have never heard this complaint about axle slip lol not sure if thats a  troll. the main thing i have heard people complain about and i understand now is the baseplate is very short, combined with one of the most pushed out wheelbases available, it really causes the wheels to drag on square ledge nose/tailslide tricks. Ventures push the wheelbase out even more, but since the baseplate on ventures is gigantic, your wheels are less likely to brush the wall.

Thunders are lighter than Ventures and slightly lower, but just by 1mm if we are talking cast plate. if you get into Venture Lows you can go super low - lower than thunders, and also the thunder lights or hollow lights with the forged baseplates can get pretty low too.

Thunders are known for a very hard pinch where Ventures have a bit more gradual turn. This is because Thunder uses 2x Barrel Style Bushings where Ventures uses the traditional Cylinder shape for the bottom bushing and a barrel style for the top.

Not a troll, just my experience with 5 pairs of Thunders between 1994 and 2018. Mostly slip axles and broken kingpins.

[back smith]

I haven't experienced that issue but I don't practice flip tricks down stairs or do other high impact primos so I suppose that isn't saying much. They are guaranteed for life so you might be entitled to a new set if the axle does slip.

[Yossi]

Has anyone else gotten a weird sheet of Jessup lately? The sheet felt super thin and light and looked blacker than usual due to less grit maybe.

[Síota]

Has anyone else gotten a weird sheet of Jessup lately? The sheet felt super thin and light and looked blacker than usual due to less grit maybe.

Oh shit I have two different shades of black Jessup on my last set up, I don't know if one part set in the sun or something but fuck me, I think I'll regrip it.