questions that don't deserve their own thread

[Dwyck]

Lol the last time I saw reynolds in ny his shoes were painted black (they were probably prototypes but I was too stupid to look)

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who is daily driving small wheels? how’s it working out? (small = 53mm, or less).

please and thanks

[matthe5w]

does anyone know if April boards ordered directly from their website come with griptape?

[codswallop]

who is daily driving small wheels? how’s it working out? (small = 53mm, or less).

please and thanks

Going great with my small board!

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who is daily driving small wheels? how’s it working out? (small = 53mm, or less).

please and thanks

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Going great with my small board!

yeah that’s where i’m going with this. trying to make it back down to an 8. but like a fat 8. aye yo.

[BeachChicken]

Almost everyone I know is on 53 and below, 51 and 52 arent uncommon

[Sedition]

who is daily driving small wheels? how’s it working out? (small = 53mm, or less).

please and thanks

Look at the set-up thread. You’ll see 52mm-54mm being among the most common sizes.

[linty]

I wonder if the Bones ATF Filmer wheels are quiet? Had a bad experience with Satori Manzooris that creaked so loud you couldn't use them for filming. Might've been the harder core so feels scary to blindly order another similar set.

[hiljentaa]

does anyone know if April boards ordered directly from their website come with griptape?

No griptape. Boards were wrapped all together which I appreciated.

[Mbrimson88]

I wonder if the Bones ATF Filmer wheels are quiet? Had a bad experience with Satori Manzooris that creaked so loud you couldn't use them for filming. Might've been the harder core so feels scary to blindly order another similar set.

I have set up a lot of wheels over the years, quite a number of cruiser wheels including Satori and never heard wheels creak, but definitely heard a lot of bearings, bushings, truck pivot cup area and even decks creak, click or make more noise than was wanted.

Just curious how they were creaking, or if they were making any other noise, cause being soft wheels they tend not to really make any noise when rolling and were good cruiser / filmer wheels, except when they had flatspots, or things stuck in the wheels which then made noise like a rotary engine.


Any which way, yes I have a few sets of Bones ATF wheels as well, all of which are very silent when rolling.

Most brands now do make pretty good filmer wheels, some others of which I have tried and worked well include OJ Keyframes, Spitfire 80HDs, 4 Skate Co softies, Ricta Clouds, plus a number of others I can't think of right this minute.  For a wheel to be used for filming, I wasn't really concerned with how well it could slide or other properties, apart from being silent and able to keep speed when needed when following someone, but most I have used as well on cruiser boards to get from A to B or just for a bit of fun when I wanted it.


* I do find having lubed bearings / newer bearings with shields on helps too.  Having raw / open bearings usually means there is going to be more noise, as well as waxing pivot cups or cleaning bushings so there is no other noise coming from the filmer board and only the noise coming from the skateboard of the person being filmed.

[linty]

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I wonder if the Bones ATF Filmer wheels are quiet? Had a bad experience with Satori Manzooris that creaked so loud you couldn't use them for filming. Might've been the harder core so feels scary to blindly order another similar set.

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I have set up a lot of wheels over the years, quite a number of cruiser wheels including Satori and never heard wheels creak, but definitely heard a lot of bearings, bushings, truck pivot cup area and even decks creak, click or make more noise than was wanted.

Just curious how they were creaking, or if they were making any other noise, cause being soft wheels they tend not to really make any noise when rolling and were good cruiser / filmer wheels, except when they had flatspots, or things stuck in the wheels which then made noise like a rotary engine.

Any which way, yes I have a few sets of Bones ATF wheels as well, all of which are very silent when rolling.

Most brands now do make pretty good filmer wheels, some others of which I have tried and worked well include OJ Keyframes, Spitfire 80HDs, 4 Skate Co softies, Ricta Clouds, plus a number of others I can't think of right this minute.  For a wheel to be used for filming, I wasn't really concerned with how well it could slide or other properties, apart from being silent and able to keep speed when needed when following someone, but most I have used as well on cruiser boards to get from A to B or just for a bit of fun when I wanted it.

* I do find having lubed bearings / newer bearings with shields on helps too.  Having raw / open bearings usually means there is going to be more noise, as well as waxing pivot cups or cleaning bushings so there is no other noise coming from the filmer board and only the noise coming from the skateboard of the person being filmed.

Thought the noise came from the bushings, pivot cups or the trucks in general but it stopped once I changed back to my old cruiser wheels.

Spitfire 80HDs are more readily available than Bones here so I'll check the locals for those. Thank you!

[Mbrimson88]

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I wonder if the Bones ATF Filmer wheels are quiet? Had a bad experience with Satori Manzooris that creaked so loud you couldn't use them for filming. Might've been the harder core so feels scary to blindly order another similar set.

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Thought the noise came from the bushings, pivot cups or the trucks in general but it stopped once I changed back to my old cruiser wheels.

Spitfire 80HDs are more readily available than Bones here so I'll check the locals for those. Thank you!

Yeah that is a weird noise.

Good luck with it.

Spitfire have a few different shapes for the 80HD, from the Ryan Lee big wide square shape, through Classic Full, Conical Full and even a couple of others, but in general they will skate the same for a filmer board - just depends on the size and shape available to you and what you prefer too.

[Dr X]

Hey guys.

I'm studying Fashion and Textile Design in University of Lapland, Finland. I'm doing research for my thesis in skate shoe design. The grand scheme of it all is to gather as much data for my Master's thesis about exploring new perspectives on different foot shapes than the current medium.

Already did one survey here that gathered a lot of replies. So if any of you guys can donate your time to this, I'd appreciate it tremendously.

The survey is about the 3 key features of skate shoes - function, ergonomics and aesthetics.

It's super down-to-the-core and basic but it is just so I can incorporate this data into my masters' base research material.
It's on Microsoft Forms and it's anonymous and shouldn't take too long to answer!

Thanks guys.

https://forms.office.com/Pages/ResponsePage.aspx?id=b6ZgTI0KbkSawINqANhFQuokJRd-c31OlMquwaYqts9UMUtNNEJYOUdUOFFKV1M1VzVLUU9PT1BTMy4u

[ferguu]

who is daily driving small wheels? how’s it working out? (small = 53mm, or less).

please and thanks

Been skating the same F4's for a year and a half, maybe two years. They must be >48mm by now. Honestly I wouldn't wanna ride anything else - Big wheels are heavy and clunky, plus it feels like i'm riding a monster truck when I'm on anyone else's board with regular wheels.

The only thing I can say is they're probably a little slower, not that I've noticed, and I do tend to get pebble'd a lot. Sometimes when I lock into grinds, especially on rails, I'm wondering if the small wheels are making the lock-in harder, like there's less material holding me in. Or maybe it would help for something like a crook?

Oh and I also skate a kinda small board (8.2). I like when it flips fast, so that's why I skate small wheels too .

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who is daily driving small wheels? how’s it working out? (small = 53mm, or less).

please and thanks

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Been skating the same F4's for a year and a half, maybe two years. They must be >48mm by now. Honestly I wouldn't wanna ride anything else - Big wheels are heavy and clunky, plus it feels like i'm riding a monster truck when I'm on anyone else's board with regular wheels.

The only thing I can say is they're probably a little slower, not that I've noticed, and I do tend to get pebble'd a lot. Sometimes when I lock into grinds, especially on rails, I'm wondering if the small wheels are making the lock-in harder, like there's less material holding me in. Or maybe it would help for something like a crook?

Oh and I also skate a kinda small board (8.2). I like when it flips fast, so that's why I skate small wheels too .

thank you for this detailed answer

skating a smaller board, is what is inspiring my 52 (max) wheel desires: proportion

[formula420]

who is daily driving small wheels? how’s it working out? (small = 53mm, or less).

please and thanks

I have never skated over 53mm. I skate 8.5. Bigger wheels just means more wheelbite.

[moonordie]

53mm is the perfect size. 52mm as little as I could go and 54mm the biggest.

[neonbrown]

Yeah, I usually buy ~53mm wheels and skate them until they're sub 48mm. I do not notice the ~2.5mm drop over the span of many months, but I definitely notice when wheels are too big.

[Ok]

i appreciate the replies.
i
admire folks that have found what works, and then stick to it.
my first boards were whale tails with true old (good) dino-juiced wheel formulas, 60 ish, cell block iii baaaybbeee.
sometime later i remember an older shop guy telling me to get the 44.5s because they weren’t too small.
then a bit later, ricky ee3.
then a couple-5 years later and pj.
i get influenced.
now it’s the gx, the radial full shape, the part about being really old and just wanting be able to at least roll.


big wheels help pop, for an ollie, but other stuff gets tiresome.

small wheels feel the best.

i do wonder how much the larger wheels unlock spots/make the commute easier.
in my vague geographical location, upper left, big wheels seem to be the soup of the day. most got em.

blah blah.
thanks for the responses.
what i’m reading is that plenty do not feel held back by the smaller wheels.

[logjammin]

has anyone ever bought NOS shoes on eBay and skated them? I found some old és square ones brand new from like '09 in my size and I remember them being awesome back in the day. but I wonder if the glue/outsole might not hold up due to age?

[Síota]

Steve Berra started following my IG feed today.

Should I just immediately block him?

Paging @pizzafliptofakie

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has anyone ever bought NOS shoes on eBay and skated them? I found some old és square ones brand new from like '09 in my size and I remember them being awesome back in the day. but I wonder if the glue/outsole might not hold up due to age?

sometimes they do ok, sometimes they fall apart if you even look at them. the soles might be stiff & hard, the mid sole accents might crumble to dust.

that shoe's vulc, so there's a good chance the foxing tape de-lams. the sock liner on it might disintegrate, those and the sole cracking are probably the biggest worries with that one.

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who is daily driving small wheels? how’s it working out? (small = 53mm, or less).

please and thanks

52mm og classic shape F4s on an 8.5

was afraid id lose pop being closer to the ground, but if anything my skating makes more sense.

coming from 58mm-60mm for the last couple years, all my transition stayed and my ledge/rail game came back

[Mbrimson88]

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has anyone ever bought NOS shoes on eBay and skated them? I found some old és square ones brand new from like '09 in my size and I remember them being awesome back in the day. but I wonder if the glue/outsole might not hold up due to age?

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sometimes they do ok, sometimes they fall apart if you even look at them. the soles might be stiff & hard, the mid sole accents might crumble to dust.

that shoe's vulc, so there's a good chance the foxing tape de-lams. the sock liner on it might disintegrate, those and the sole cracking are probably the biggest worries with that one.

Yeah pretty much my experience too, from keeping shoes too long and then sometimes having the thought to actually skate them.

Old shoes that have been stored well will tend to hold up better, but then some shoes will seem great but after a few sessions things just fall apart, so if it is anything over ten years old, I would be very cautious and not really be thinking of skating them.

Not just for the age of the shoe, but also the memories of some things - it seemed way better back in the day, because that is all I knew.  Using or riding anything from back then and comparing to current product now almost always leaves me with the thought that I should have left it in the past / in my mind.

Some things could be amazing / awesome now though, but more often than not, it is not that good of an idea for me anyway.

[logjammin]

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has anyone ever bought NOS shoes on eBay and skated them? I found some old és square ones brand new from like '09 in my size and I remember them being awesome back in the day. but I wonder if the glue/outsole might not hold up due to age?

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sometimes they do ok, sometimes they fall apart if you even look at them. the soles might be stiff & hard, the mid sole accents might crumble to dust.

that shoe's vulc, so there's a good chance the foxing tape de-lams. the sock liner on it might disintegrate, those and the sole cracking are probably the biggest worries with that one.

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Yeah pretty much my experience too, from keeping shoes too long and then sometimes having the thought to actually skate them.

Old shoes that have been stored well will tend to hold up better, but then some shoes will seem great but after a few sessions things just fall apart, so if it is anything over ten years old, I would be very cautious and not really be thinking of skating them.

Not just for the age of the shoe, but also the memories of some things - it seemed way better back in the day, because that is all I knew.  Using or riding anything from back then and comparing to current product now almost always leaves me with the thought that I should have left it in the past / in my mind.

Some things could be amazing / awesome now though, but more often than not, it is not that good of an idea for me anyway.

thanks fellas, i'll probably hold off. the price isn't astronomical but expensive enough to where it's not worth the risk.

[Mbrimson88]

i appreciate the replies.
i
admire folks that have found what works, and then stick to it.
my first boards were whale tails with true old (good) dino-juiced wheel formulas, 60 ish, cell block iii baaaybbeee.
sometime later i remember an older shop guy telling me to get the 44.5s because they weren’t too small.
then a bit later, ricky ee3.
then a couple-5 years later and pj.
i get influenced.
now it’s the gx, the radial full shape, the part about being really old and just wanting be able to at least roll.


big wheels help pop, for an ollie, but other stuff gets tiresome.

small wheels feel the best.

i do wonder how much the larger wheels unlock spots/make the commute easier.
in my vague geographical location, upper left, big wheels seem to be the soup of the day. most got em.

blah blah.
thanks for the responses.
what i’m reading is that plenty do not feel held back by the smaller wheels.

I had meant to reply to this the other day but got distracted.

Once I used to ride mostly 57 and 59 mm Spitfires, which were the old original formula, very wide and round, which were great as they wore down to smaller sizes and widened right out, as I prefer the wider wheels in general, but more often than not take off the edges to keep them more round as well.

Fast forward through a ton of Formula Four 56 mm Classics, or Classic Full wheels (37 mm wide) which are great down to about 52 - 54 mm on average, for bigger boards now, but I do still really enjoy most wheels when they are down around 51 or even 50 mm as per a number of Conical Full wheels I have had come back to me from people who skate them from new, then as they wear down, I get them back, then round off the edges and have some really nice wider but slightly rounder wheels to skate on my smaller boards.

[rawbertson.]

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anyone gotta list of bushing heights for trucks? af1, af1 lows, thunder, indy stg 11 + stg 4 and venture

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There’s a pretty comprehensive list floating around Shoes and Gear somewhere.  I can usually find it through search with some effort.  Don’t have time to find it this moment though

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what are Slappy Bushing Heights?

Here it is, thanks to Mbrimson88 as usual:

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Updated a few options on bushings after the Ace Truck thread and thought I should measure some more I have here too.


From the site, the Ace low are lower in general but still fairly tall.


Low Bushing Set

Top 10mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 12mm tall | 86a hardness


Classic Bushing Set

Top 12mm tall | 91a hardness
Bottom 14mm tall | 86a hardness


As I had posted earlier in another thread, but this time using Ace aftermarket measurements:

Ace low
Total  22 mm
Top  10 mm
Bottom  12 mm

Ace classic
Total  26 mm
Top  12 mm
Bottom  14 mm

Venture stock 94a
Total  22.5 mm
Top  9.5 mm
Bottom  13 mm

Thunder stock 90a and aftermarket (same) 90a, 94a, 95a, 98a, 100a
Total  23.5 mm
Top  9.5 mm
Bottom  14 mm

Indy stock 90a and aftermarket (same in both cylinder and conical) 78a, 88a, 90a, 92a, 94a, 96a
Total  23.5 mm
Top  10.5 mm
Bottom  13 mm

Then Indy low head bushings 92a
Total  21 mm
Top  8 mm
Bottom  13 mm


* Added Venture in here as well.

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[Mbrimson88]

what are Slappy Bushing Heights?

Not sure if this was what you were asking, but this is what I got from a set I just tried not too long ago:


Slappy specs

Kingpin 33 mm above baseplate (average is 35 mm for Indy, Venture and Thunder, 37 Ace Classic and 38 AF1 trucks)
Top bushing 9 mm
Bottom bushing 13 mm
Total 22 mm
Total with washers 25.5


Also from my trucks I had measured, with (other measurements from Slap in brackets)

Indy Stage 4

Kingpin 36 mm
Top bushing 12.3 (12.5 mm)
Bottom bushing 14.5 (14.8 mm)
Total 26.8 (27.3 mm)

[rawbertson.]

Thanks Brimo! I jsut realized this morning I had it listed as same as Thunder because I dumbly just copy pasted something, and I knew there was no way that could be right.


re small wheel guy:







wore those 51mm classics down to like 44-45mm
My flip trick game was on point with the small wheels
skating was feeling really good with small wheels + thunders even with a "bigger" board (8.38 with 148s)
i ended up moving up to 55mm classics for that setup 
my winter setup is 8" with ventures, and super worn down bones ~50mm and i can actually 3 flip  i think i dont care that much about that though

[dstrytruitt]

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has anyone ever bought NOS shoes on eBay and skated them? I found some old és square ones brand new from like '09 in my size and I remember them being awesome back in the day. but I wonder if the glue/outsole might not hold up due to age?

[close]

sometimes they do ok, sometimes they fall apart if you even look at them. the soles might be stiff & hard, the mid sole accents might crumble to dust.

that shoe's vulc, so there's a good chance the foxing tape de-lams. the sock liner on it might disintegrate, those and the sole cracking are probably the biggest worries with that one.

[close]

Yeah pretty much my experience too, from keeping shoes too long and then sometimes having the thought to actually skate them.

Old shoes that have been stored well will tend to hold up better, but then some shoes will seem great but after a few sessions things just fall apart, so if it is anything over ten years old, I would be very cautious and not really be thinking of skating them.

Not just for the age of the shoe, but also the memories of some things - it seemed way better back in the day, because that is all I knew.  Using or riding anything from back then and comparing to current product now almost always leaves me with the thought that I should have left it in the past / in my mind.

Some things could be amazing / awesome now though, but more often than not, it is not that good of an idea for me anyway.