Ace trucks

[kneebone]

sorry i don't want to go thru 67 pages of this madness, but i remember a discussion on replacement pivot cups for Aces.  Mine are finally starting to crap out, so what's the recommendation here?

[Firebert]

sorry i don't want to go thru 67 pages of this madness, but i remember a discussion on replacement pivot cups for Aces.  Mine are finally starting to crap out, so what's the recommendation here?

Khiro if you want hard, RipTide if you want some squish

[jay_nev]

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sorry i don't want to go thru 67 pages of this madness, but i remember a discussion on replacement pivot cups for Aces.  Mine are finally starting to crap out, so what's the recommendation here?

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Khiro if you want hard, RipTide if you want some squish

Khiro makes a soft and a hard? Are they really an upgrade or just a stock replacement?
Just read this on a Shorty's pivot cup product description:
Softer pivot cups allow for more lean and rebound, making them ideal for cruising and carving
Harder pivot cups are a better choice for high speeds and aggressive turns making them ideal for downhill speed runs and park skating

[Diocletian]

DO NOT buy Khiro hards they are unskateable. Good luck finding the softs. Just get riptides.

[kneebone]

damn, RipTide makes specific ones for all these models??  How different are they and can I not just buy any of the RipTides or do I specifically need the Ace ones?

[Smartass]

damn, RipTide makes specific ones for all these models??  How different are they and can I not just buy any of the RipTides or do I specifically need the Ace ones?

Nah you don't need to buy the one specifically for ACE. The Indy ones, the ones that are readily available, will fit perfectly fine.

[Mesteezo]

I’ve got some 55s with mag baseplates in good condition with khiro soft pivots, would anybody be interested in buying them? Figure I’d ask the Ace heads in this thread first. Can also sell the baseplates separately, Send me a PM

[whatsreallygood]

I made an all weather board with a old deck, some old soft wheels and aces to fuck around with. God the turn is good, I forgot how much of a difference there is between these and other trucks. Pivot cups are basically worn through to the baseplate and falling out though. I'm excited for when the newer revisions come out to see if they fix the various issues.

[Xen]

if that's the case wonder how that'll affect indy since they just moved to china. wonder if there will be a shortage of ace and indy.

Venture 2020 will pick up the slack.

[whatsreallygood]

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if that's the case wonder how that'll affect indy since they just moved to china. wonder if there will be a shortage of ace and indy.

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Venture 2020 will pick up the slack.

If only venture could make some other truck that had a quicker/deeper turn I'd be fine

[palelight]

Bledsoe riding Aces in recent (ish) instagram clip? (that's a JJ deck from a couple months back).

Screen shot, bit blurry, not 100%. If so, he's already had footage on Indy, Thunder, and Venture in the last year. Bledsoe on truck madness. 

[Mesteezo]

Here’s some new ace porn from Joey tershays ig story

[gaunting]

Here’s some new ace porn from Joey tershays ig story

little bit of R&D. might have to go ahead and get a pair of the new 33’s or whatever they are gonna call them. shit, might just get some ventures too. never thought I’d be saying that.ha

[Xen]

Here’s some new ace porn from Joey tershays ig story

I spy...

Hollow Kingpins.....yippdeee dooo....

....and shitty axle nuts.


Sides of the plates looks significantly more mirrored/polished, as does the yoke bushing seat on the fresh hangers; hangers look less pitted than the last stage but too far away to really tell.

Let's see some hollow axles!


Still, I won't deny the real excitement level of a lighter, hopefully fully hollowed out and higher QC (we can hope) ACE truck.

[satan]

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Here’s some new ace porn from Joey tershays ig story

[img]https://i.imgur.com/7CeiuIn.jpg[/ig]

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I spy...

Hollow Kingpins.....yippdeee dooo....

....and shitty axle nuts.


Sides of the plates looks significantly more mirrored/polished, as does the yoke bushing seat on the fresh hangers; hangers look less pitted than the last stage but too far away to really tell.

Let's see some hollow axles!


Still, I won't deny the real excitement level of a lighter, hopefully fully hollowed out and higher QC (we cna hope) ACE truck.

Yep. Pivot nub looks polished too.
I've thought about polishing the yoke and pivot on Indy's, should make bushings squeak less.
I'm surprised they didn't add ribs or webbing to strengthen the hanger.
Hollow KP? What's that weigh? 6 grams lighter? 10g?
Hoping they're using better steel for the axles now..

[Uncle Flea]

how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)

bones top to get more rattle without cutting the stocks.

[jtrpma]

I ride the 66s pretty much stock. The turning isn’t as good as I expected, to be honest. But for that size still manageable. I think I will switch to harder bottom bushings and no washers.

Anyone here knows which aftermarkets fit best?

The new hangers are beefed up without being hollowed out underneath?
Are they going to be heavier? Curious about what’s to come!

[Sundaynuggets]

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how do you guys ride your ace trucks?
(no washers, 1 washer, both washers, loose, tight,etc.)

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bones top to get more rattle without cutting the stocks.

Just did this with my Ace 55’s and it’s great

[GumOnMyGrip]

I ride the 66s pretty much stock. The turning isn’t as good as I expected, to be honest. But for that size still manageable. I think I will switch to harder bottom bushings and no washers.

Anyone here knows which aftermarkets fit best?

The new hangers are beefed up without being hollowed out underneath?
Are they going to be heavier? Curious about what’s to come!

I still run the Krux aftermarkets. I tried a few other combos but they get me the most ridiculous looseness.

[jimgrude]

I ride the 66s pretty much stock. The turning isn’t as good as I expected, to be honest. But for that size still manageable. I think I will switch to harder bottom bushings and no washers.

Anyone here knows which aftermarkets fit best?

Krux are very similar in size to Ace stock. They're 92a top and bottom. Best bushings out there if the hardness is right for you.
I use them without washers on indy's for a loose but stable setup.

[jtrpma]

Thank you

[Fred Gerwer Frank Gall]

The stock Ace bushings I just got were really mushy at first but broke in real nice. Krux or stock or even a Krux/ stock combo work best for me. I like Krux in 55s to avoid wheel bite. Stock in 44s.

[jimgrude]

I spy...

Hollow Kingpins.....yippdeee dooo....

....and shitty axle nuts.


Sides of the plates looks significantly more mirrored/polished, as does the yoke bushing seat on the fresh hangers; hangers look less pitted than the last stage but too far away to really tell.

Let's see some hollow axles!


Still, I won't deny the real excitement level of a lighter, hopefully fully hollowed out and higher QC (we can hope) ACE truck.

Super down with hollow kingpins, but I was really hoping for titanium axles. Skating mostly tech, steel axle trucks die on me prematurely because the threads get completely gored after a while. You can only re-thread them so many times before the nuts start traveling up and down the axle. Main reason I'm still on titanium indy's.

Anyone remember when Silver trucks had those "capped" axle nuts?

[Diocletian]

He’s posted “developments” like that in his IG story before with previous variations, and their QC didn’t develop that great so....yeah. Hanger isn’t reworked to stop the bending. Back to inferior axle nuts...they take 2 steps forward and then 10 back.

[Fred Gerwer Frank Gall]

Metal is different (harder). Hangars are actually reshaped. Maybe the 3/8" axle nuts have been fixed to have nylock on now?

[satan]

Metal is different (harder). Hangars are actually reshaped. Maybe the 3/8" axle nuts have been fixed to have nylock on now?

Harder isn't the way to go with aluminum as that tends to make it more brittle and prone to crack.
There's a reason airplane wings are so flexible..
7071 alloy seems pretty good compared to 356 alloy. Grinds better with similar strength. (And I'm an old Indy guy..)
Maybe they improved the heat treatment? Were there cracking issues? Or just bent hangers?

They needed to upgrade the steel for the axles.. Hopefully this is the different metal you/joey are talking about.

Axle nuts without nyloc is just crazy. Downright mean..
I'm guessing they're still locknuts though, just the distorted thread kind?


edit..
I did a quick review of alloys a few pages back. Yes to softer and wear more quickly. But most ppl say that make em grind better?

https://www.cnc-motorsports.com/eagle-rods-crs6000bst-eagle-h-beam-connecting-rods-max-stroker-sb-chevy-60.html
Here's a really extreme example of what I mean by ribs for the webbing.
It'd look weird if you had ribs like that on Ace's. And conrods are forged, idk if you could cast a rib that tall and thin.
Maybe think riblets? Or low profile ribs?
Could even extend the ribs on the bottom side of the hanger, past the webbing, and it wouldn't really be visible.
There's a free one Joey.. Need a design guy?

[Xen]

Metal is different (harder). Hangars are actually reshaped. Maybe the 3/8" axle nuts have been fixed to have nylock on now?

If you look at the wings of the new hangers (foreground); I swear the webbing looks different, on both hangers at different angles (compared to the old ones in the background). Almost 'thinner'? Reminds me of how the old Theeves used to look somehow.

If the 3/8 have nylock, fuck yeah! Otherwise hard fucking pass man, there is a REASON nylock nuts have been used for ever.

Also, old hanger with axle facing us, what's with the pattern on the hanger where the speedrings rest?

[Fred Gerwer Frank Gall]

I dunno. I'm a layman but I find Thunder/ Indy grind better than Ace. Ace metal currently feels too soft and a more difficult to smash through curbs and pool coping. Ace definitely wear down quicker and I assume that is b/c of the shape of the metal and the "softness"...

[Uncle Flea]

He’s posted “developments” like that in his IG story before with previous variations, and their QC didn’t develop that great so....yeah. Hanger isn’t reworked to stop the bending. Back to inferior axle nuts...they take 2 steps forward and then 10 back.

New axle nuts are free my dude.

I keep two in my wallet all the time left over from these stupid little things.

Does the ace tool not have the regs size or something? Because that's the only reason I would think they'd go back to those. Sell tools

I dunno. I'm a layman but I find Thunder/ Indy grind better than Ace. Ace metal currently feels too soft and a more difficult to smash through curbs and pool coping. Ace definitely wear down quicker and I assume that is b/c of the shape of the metal and the "softness"...

I can see how one would make the argument that thunder is the happy medium between the two ace or ventures
One soft the other hard but I can go through two sets of thunders a year if I skate enough rough shit.
And I like thunders with like 50mm wheels.

The streets are fucked rn. No way am I going under 54 new

Indys grind everything. That's a fact and they last. That's never going to change I think. But I was over indy long long ago. That shit is not my thing. The image sucks.

I bought a set of 139s stage 11 when I came back to skating in 2016 because I was encouraged by a friend and I wanted a high truck for a change. It was an excellent truck. Used 149 stage 10 I got gifted it sucks. I'm holding them for a homie in New Hampshire.

The stage 7? 6 bolt plate was the last ok truck before stage 11 because is wasn't crazy low.

So you have a truck that breaks or wears out easily and a truck that's unattractive via marketing and 2 decades of fails.

Ace is a perfect truck for skating Boston.
It turns the balls so you won't get run over down town by a yuppie.
I know that this soft truck is not going to stick ever.
The shape similarity is sentimental to me. My first good truck in the 80s was a stage 2. Its pretty close to that just like 5 inches less wide.

I'm riding ventures rn because I believe they're made in sf. Sometimes people say it's a lie but it's worth it to me to buy American or at least try to buy American shit.

I give a Fuck about what is under my feet best reps my beliefs. I believe in American labor.

Also I believe from what I've seen over the last 2 months the venture might last longer than all these brands unless the base plates go.

I could see when I dismantled the truck upon purchase that there looks to be a flaw in the hanger design. I think busted base plate around the king pin will end the truck around 15 months without axles showing.

A krux/grind king curved plate shape might stop that. I think all trucks should adopt the rounded base plate

Long day long post.

Venture 2020

[Sativa Lung]

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I ride the 66s pretty much stock. The turning isn’t as good as I expected, to be honest. But for that size still manageable. I think I will switch to harder bottom bushings and no washers.

Anyone here knows which aftermarkets fit best?

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Krux are very similar in size to Ace stock. They're 92a top and bottom. Best bushings out there if the hardness is right for you.
I use them without washers on indy's for a loose but stable setup.

Riptide barrels are good for bottoms and short street cone is a pretty close fit on top  (a little short so maybe shim with a flat washer) if you want more duro choices. Just don't listen to their shit about how they turn 15-20% more at a certain duro, get whatever you'd normally buy. I bought into it and got 95a thinking it would be about the same as a 90a indy but it's just feels like a 95a.