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Did anyone ever confirm if these are some random truck brand, or is Powell Peralta actually prototyping RKP's for street?

I don't know the branding they will use for it, but it was confirmed to me by SkateOne when I asked about it, and the traditional kingpin one Zach was skating.

"Still in testing phase but getting close. The RKP is looking really good with the feedback from our team."

[Xen]

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Anyone heard any news about the indy stage 12s? Found Ti's on sale but dont really need new trucks just yet

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Without any source or credibility at all I'm telling you that a stage 12 is not happening in the next 5 years.

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Have Indy had a truck which they have kept around for as long as the Stage 11? I feel like we are kinda at a point where Indy = Stage 11 and they would be foolish to mess with something so widely accepted as the industry leading best product, but who knows.

Barring really early stages, I don't think so. Stage XI released in 2013 (?) Almost a decade old now...keep in mind the newer 215s and the Mids are 'classic Indy geometry' whatever stage that's supposed to represent.

[manysnakes]

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Anyone heard any news about the indy stage 12s? Found Ti's on sale but dont really need new trucks just yet

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Without any source or credibility at all I'm telling you that a stage 12 is not happening in the next 5 years.

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Have Indy had a truck which they have kept around for as long as the Stage 11? I feel like we are kinda at a point where Indy = Stage 11 and they would be foolish to mess with something so widely accepted as the industry leading best product, but who knows.

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Barring really early stages, I don't think so. Stage XI released in 2013 (?) Almost a decade old now...keep in mind the newer 215s and the Mids are 'classic Indy geometry' whatever stage that's supposed to represent.

I wasn’t aware that those trucks were considered to have different geometry!

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Anyone heard any news about the indy stage 12s? Found Ti's on sale but dont really need new trucks just yet

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Without any source or credibility at all I'm telling you that a stage 12 is not happening in the next 5 years.

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Have Indy had a truck which they have kept around for as long as the Stage 11? I feel like we are kinda at a point where Indy = Stage 11 and they would be foolish to mess with something so widely accepted as the industry leading best product, but who knows.

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Barring really early stages, I don't think so. Stage XI released in 2013 (?) Almost a decade old now...keep in mind the newer 215s and the Mids are 'classic Indy geometry' whatever stage that's supposed to represent.

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I wasn’t aware that those trucks were considered to have different geometry!

I guess it's now Legendary instead of classic (which they used at launch).

"The new MiD Forged Hollow is 50.5mm tall and built on Independent's legendary geometry with full size cushions for maximum turning action and comes in 129, 139, 144, 149, 159 sizes.'

'Maximum turning action" lolwtf


"Independent Trucks 215s feature a retro Stage 4 style single wing hanger design and are great on wider boards from 9.5 to 10.5 inches."

they don't even list a stage for the 215s...

My guess? They're just frankentruckin' the mids and 215s these days.

[Mbrimson88]

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Anyone heard any news about the indy stage 12s? Found Ti's on sale but dont really need new trucks just yet

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Without any source or credibility at all I'm telling you that a stage 12 is not happening in the next 5 years.

[close]

Have Indy had a truck which they have kept around for as long as the Stage 11? I feel like we are kinda at a point where Indy = Stage 11 and they would be foolish to mess with something so widely accepted as the industry leading best product, but who knows.

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Barring really early stages, I don't think so. Stage XI released in 2013 (?) Almost a decade old now...keep in mind the newer 215s and the Mids are 'classic Indy geometry' whatever stage that's supposed to represent.

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I wasn’t aware that those trucks were considered to have different geometry!

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I guess it's now Legendary instead of classic (which they used at launch).

"The new MiD Forged Hollow is 50.5mm tall and built on Independent's legendary geometry with full size cushions for maximum turning action and comes in 129, 139, 144, 149, 159 sizes.'

'Maximum turning action" lolwtf


"Independent Trucks 215s feature a retro Stage 4 style single wing hanger design and are great on wider boards from 9.5 to 10.5 inches."

they don't even list a stage for the 215s...

My guess? They're just frankentruckin' the mids and 215s these days.

They definitely have different turning on the different stages of Indy, but that can also be replicated with taller or shorter bottom bushings too.

When playing around with some old stages, I could feel the difference between those and the lack of turn on Stage 9 which I was most used to before the Stage 11 came out and now pretty much all the older trucks are easily replaced with any Stage 11 truck for me.

In one experiment, even putting the 1-2 mm bit I cut off the top bushing in with the bottom bushing the trucks turned in a way smaller circle and were so much lighter feeling than with stock bushings, when swapping back and forth.


Fancy words and catch phrases aside, they are a solid truck for pretty much everything, but that is also not to say that I cannot make almost any other truck brand turn well enough that I have played around with, usually involving risers and cut up bushings on cruiser boards with big soft wheels, but as marketed by truck companies, some definitely have a more natural turn than others.

[Banned from the room]

What’s going on here? What are theses horrendous trucks?

This kid rips too.

[Ol Nick]

What’s going on here? What are theses horrendous trucks?

This kid rips too.

That’s what happens when you put your mouth on one end of a hollow axle, plug the other end, and suck.

[Sloppy Krooks]

What’s going on here? What are theses horrendous trucks?

This kid rips too.

Scroll back up the thread, I think they’re the same Powell experimental trucks people have been talking about.

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What’s going on here? What are theses horrendous trucks?

This kid rips too.

Who is it?  Are they a Powell sponsored rider?  They do look like the SkateOne RKP trucks from that shot.

[jimgrude]

I need the collective wisdom of every nerd on here that's tried the IKP JB-weld hack.

I put some titanium GK kingpins in a pair of Theeves, and did the JB-weld thing to hold the nut in place. I'd say I did a pretty good job, but I've been experiencing a weird sound coming from my trucks ever since. It's a consistent squeaking sound, not when you turn like you get from pivot cups and bushings, but one you hear the entire time while you're riding, but gets louder when turning.

I first thought it was my bearings, but I switched those, and have since gone mad switching out every component possible. It's the fucking kingpins! I took the trucks off, and sure enough the nut had wiggled loose. The JB-weld doesn't hold at all. The nut doesn't spin or hit the deck or anything though, so I'm still confused by the noise.

I don't mind a little noise coming from my trucks or wheels, but this shit makes the whole board feel sluggish, even though it isn't.

Anyone else ever experience anything like this?

[logjammin]

I used the gorilla glue epoxy from that one dude's youtube video tutorial and I mixed it and did it right, but ultimately it just made the turn shitty on my Ace classics because without a kingpin really lodged in there fully secured with the splines, or that shaft nut that Indy has in the IKP baseplates, there's too much play that reduces the true turn.. I also had a weird noise it wasn't a squeak it was more like a clicky noise. I stopped fucking with IKP stuff. If anything just get a shorter top bushing and set the nut and angle grind the kingpin down. Way better solution, imo.

[MysticalTypeExperience]

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Did anyone ever confirm if these are some random truck brand, or is Powell Peralta actually prototyping RKP's for street?

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I think someone said they're an Aera prototype, that seems to be the most likely to me...

I found a different answer by going over to the SkateOne forum

"AnimalChin" who looks like a moderator said this on June 13 about the trucks:
"Still in testing phase but getting close. The RKP is looking really good with the feedback from our team. If I get any samples will let you know."

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Did anyone ever confirm if these are some random truck brand, or is Powell Peralta actually prototyping RKP's for street?

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I think someone said they're an Aera prototype, that seems to be the most likely to me...

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I found a different answer by going over to the SkateOne forum

"AnimalChin" who looks like a moderator said this on June 13 about the trucks:
"Still in testing phase but getting close. The RKP is looking really good with the feedback from our team. If I get any samples will let you know."

Aera is SkateOne, and they haven't said what this truck would be released as (Aera, Powell, MiniLogo or a new brand)

[Frank and Fred]

Skateboarders are going to have a hard time accepting RKP trucks but imagine how well those grind. No more need for inverted kingpin conversions.

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Skateboarders are going to have a hard time accepting RKP trucks but imagine how well those grind. No more need for inverted kingpin conversions.

They’ll need to get Kader or some shit to make these sell

[Lukabrazi]

Gonna cross post this from the Venture thread but this is what I did to lodge my kingpin nut firmly in

“Also used an easy method for getting the kingpin nut lodged in there. Put it in, set the kingpin, drill part of a small nail into the space to lodge the nut in there good , break off the end of nail so nothing is sticking out, this ensures you will not get a loose kingpin by any means and sand down on a stone or cement outside the truck if any part of the kingpin nut or screw is sticking out”

This is a good representation of what I’m talking about . Have the nut in the baseplate with the king pin screwed in holding it in place , and drill a screw into there and break off the screw with pliers and file it down (watch out when you break screw!)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CdVmUZmlyIO/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

[hobochimp]

I've been looking through the instagram account fuckwithyourtrucks a lot lately and its gotten me really curious about the whole running different branded hangars and baseplates thing. Anyone on here do this regularly? Could I put say a venture hangar on like an indy baeplate and have a venture that skates like an indy or am I just being dumb. I know compatibility is probably the main reason more people don't do this.

[FatGuy92]

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Skateboarders are going to have a hard time accepting RKP trucks but imagine how well those grind. No more need for inverted kingpin conversions.

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They’ll need to get Kader or some shit to make these sell

They look ugly as sin. I'd rather hang up

[Frank]

it might make sense for practical reasons, but rkp trucks just look wrong to me. almost unsettingly so.

[manysnakes]

Yeah man I can’t smith grind anyway so I’m not gonna be messing with something as garish as that truck.

[BartHarleyJarvis]

I like that we sort of have two threads going about the same trucks and we've self sorted, this is the "I would never ride the rkp trucks" thread and the "new mini-lgo truck design" thread is like "....I'd give them a shot"

[Mbrimson88]

I've been looking through the instagram account fuckwithyourtrucks a lot lately and its gotten me really curious about the whole running different branded hangars and baseplates thing. Anyone on here do this regularly? Could I put say a venture hangar on like an indy baeplate and have a venture that skates like an indy or am I just being dumb. I know compatibility is probably the main reason more people don't do this.

Back when all the Stage 9 Indy baseplates would break so we ended up with a lot of Indy hangers, but as Thunder hangers would often break or wear out, we had a lot of Thunder baseplates, so mixing and matching just to get by was fairly common and yes it worked.

Also the bushings really do make a lot of difference, depending on the angle of the hanger, some bushings that worked in some trucks just didn't work well in others or mixes of those.

I also tried Thunder baseplates with Venture hangers more recently just for a laugh (same story, Venture baseplates broke) and that worked too - setup on a cruiser with taller bottom bushing and minimal top, those things turned really well, but on the stock Thunder bushings, they didn't skate so well.

The feel of the trucks is different, so it is not as easy as just saying you have an Indy turn, or you have a Thunder turn with which ever hanger or baseplate in use.

Messing round with a whole lot of old or spare parts, I am usually one to keep brands very specific and not mix and match, but on occasions where I have, most of the time I have ended up with a workable solution, not that I would really be keen to take these out in public on a normal board - such is my mindset on that - but it can be done.


Also that account is amazing with some of the things people have done, way beyond anything I would think to try to do, but some of the things I would definitely be afraid of messing them up too much.  Can't think of an example right this minute but if anyone hasn't seen it, it is well worth checking out.


https://www.instagram.com/fuckwithyourtrucks/

[Mbrimson88]

This was interesting to see:

[j....soy.....]

I've been looking through the instagram account fuckwithyourtrucks a lot lately and its gotten me really curious about the whole running different branded hangars and baseplates thing. Anyone on here do this regularly? Could I put say a venture hangar on like an indy baeplate and have a venture that skates like an indy or am I just being dumb. I know compatibility is probably the main reason more people don't do this.

I noticed on my ventures how well you can balance on manuals and pop off the pocket…..but also how on aces  the front truck is insanely tippy for nose manuals….and your front truck can pretty much swerve out of anything with no wheelbite……

Could the answer be Venture in the back, Ace in the front?

[manysnakes]

I gotta say that I find the "fuckwithyourtrucks" guy to be incredibly annoying, and the fact that he is measuring in imperial units isn't helping.

[tonitonne]

Venture Hi's never hang up or give me issues, I find then to be the best all around stock truck. They never need different bushings or the kingpin messed with in my experiences. They also turn just fine once you break the bushings in just like any other truck, Didn't really experience the whole "ventures don't turn" thing. Thunders and Ace are also good, They could have better clearance but its whatever. The grind and turn on indys is too inconsistent these days unfortunately, some pairs skate great and some feel like cheap off brand complete trucks. Film remind me a lot of ace with how turny they are, but they are very high with better clearance then ace which is nice. Film also makes an IKP truck which is worth checking out. That being said the only trucks I continuously buy these days are ventures, and sometimes thunders when i want easier grinds. Ace is just a cruiser/slappy thing for me these days, not something i'd ride on my main setup anymore.

[switchfrontshuv]

Venture Hi's never hang up or give me issues, I find then to be the best all around stock truck. They never need different bushings or the kingpin messed with in my experiences. They also turn just fine once you break the bushings in just like any other truck, Didn't really experience the whole "ventures don't turn" thing. Thunders and Ace are also good, They could have better clearance but its whatever. The grind and turn on indys is too inconsistent these days unfortunately, some pairs skate great and some feel like cheap off brand complete trucks. Film remind me a lot of ace with how turny they are, but they are very high with better clearance then ace which is nice. Film also makes an IKP truck which is worth checking out. That being said the only trucks I continuously buy these days are ventures, and sometimes thunders when i want easier grinds. Ace is just a cruiser/slappy thing for me these days, not something i'd ride on my main setup anymore.

I feel like Venture stock definitely is as you say but looser (softer/lower bushings) they feel really good, almost surfy and laggy to where they feel nice to throw around for tricks and feel more comfortable for certain tricks like nollie/switch shuvs (for me). Sometimes (especially on short/short wheelbase decks) they feel too unstable and strange, almost awkward given im a bit taller and used to 14.25WB)

Either way I think the fact that the difference in pinch and grind is so available (look at Jacopo doing wild shit on aces and mellow baker boards) makes ventures a second choice for me after trying them. From my truck escapades I think thunder Hi 149 + 1/8 risers works best on 8.25 and bigger decks, because I get a similar pinch compared to venture hi (grind is definitely worse) and a deeper, extremely responsive turn, while still being tall (for big wheels) and lighter-feeling pop

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Venture Hi's never hang up or give me issues, I find then to be the best all around stock truck. They never need different bushings or the kingpin messed with in my experiences. They also turn just fine once you break the bushings in just like any other truck, Didn't really experience the whole "ventures don't turn" thing. Thunders and Ace are also good, They could have better clearance but its whatever. The grind and turn on indys is too inconsistent these days unfortunately, some pairs skate great and some feel like cheap off brand complete trucks. Film remind me a lot of ace with how turny they are, but they are very high with better clearance then ace which is nice. Film also makes an IKP truck which is worth checking out. That being said the only trucks I continuously buy these days are ventures, and sometimes thunders when i want easier grinds. Ace is just a cruiser/slappy thing for me these days, not something i'd ride on my main setup anymore.

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I feel like Venture stock definitely is as you say but looser (softer/lower bushings) they feel really good, almost surfy and laggy to where they feel nice to throw around for tricks and feel more comfortable for certain tricks like nollie/switch shuvs (for me). Sometimes (especially on short/short wheelbase decks) they feel too unstable and strange, almost awkward given im a bit taller and used to 14.25WB)

Either way I think the fact that the difference in pinch and grind is so available (look at Jacopo doing wild shit on aces and mellow baker boards) makes ventures a second choice for me after trying them. From my truck escapades I think thunder Hi 149 + 1/8 risers works best on 8.25 and bigger decks, because I get a similar pinch compared to venture hi (grind is definitely worse) and a deeper, extremely responsive turn, while still being tall (for big wheels) and lighter-feeling pop

I ride 1/8" riser as well with 60mm or 58mm wheels on my thunders and ventures. See I feel like ventures/thunders can make any board under 14.25 feel more stable and rideable as 14.25 is also the smallest wheelbase I'll skate as well. I had a 13.9 with aces before and that was hands down the worst feeling board I've ever owned, Threw the thunders on it and it actually felt like my skateboard and I could actually pop it. I don't know though it's all personal preference and a different tools for different jobs thing. I only skate street and I also like long feeling decks. I used to do 15+" with aces or indy for a while. Anything smaller than 14.25 always spins too fast for me and I really have to put too much thought into finessing tricks I already have muscle memory for.

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Venture Hi's never hang up or give me issues, I find then to be the best all around stock truck. They never need different bushings or the kingpin messed with in my experiences. They also turn just fine once you break the bushings in just like any other truck, Didn't really experience the whole "ventures don't turn" thing. Thunders and Ace are also good, They could have better clearance but its whatever. The grind and turn on indys is too inconsistent these days unfortunately, some pairs skate great and some feel like cheap off brand complete trucks. Film remind me a lot of ace with how turny they are, but they are very high with better clearance then ace which is nice. Film also makes an IKP truck which is worth checking out. That being said the only trucks I continuously buy these days are ventures, and sometimes thunders when i want easier grinds. Ace is just a cruiser/slappy thing for me these days, not something i'd ride on my main setup anymore.

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I feel like Venture stock definitely is as you say but looser (softer/lower bushings) they feel really good, almost surfy and laggy to where they feel nice to throw around for tricks and feel more comfortable for certain tricks like nollie/switch shuvs (for me). Sometimes (especially on short/short wheelbase decks) they feel too unstable and strange, almost awkward given im a bit taller and used to 14.25WB)

Either way I think the fact that the difference in pinch and grind is so available (look at Jacopo doing wild shit on aces and mellow baker boards) makes ventures a second choice for me after trying them. From my truck escapades I think thunder Hi 149 + 1/8 risers works best on 8.25 and bigger decks, because I get a similar pinch compared to venture hi (grind is definitely worse) and a deeper, extremely responsive turn, while still being tall (for big wheels) and lighter-feeling pop

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I ride 1/8" riser as well with 60mm or 58mm wheels on my thunders and ventures. See I feel like ventures/thunders can make any board under 14.25 feel more stable and rideable as 14.25 is also the smallest wheelbase I'll skate as well. I had a 13.9 with aces before and that was hands down the worst feeling board I've ever owned, Threw the thunders on it and it actually felt like my skateboard and I could actually pop it. I don't know though it's all personal preference and a different tools for different jobs thing. I only skate street and I also like long feeling decks. I used to do 15+" with aces or indy for a while. Anything smaller than 14.25 always spins too fast for me and I really have to put too much thought into finessing tricks I already have muscle memory for.

Does the huge wheels + skinny trucks combo mess with your lock in on grinds?

[Vintagebody]

I watched the Gifted Hater truck vid with Ben Degros, and they both seem to not be a fan of the indy forged baseplate.
Anyone else share the same view, and can go deeper into why?