Independent trucks and racist ideology

[Bobby Lashley]

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Ace 144’s
You’ll never look back

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drop the 1 dog. Indy got that shit burned in your brain.

got me there homes. My bad

[CallMeDillo]

The irony of putting a star of David over the Iron Cross is that the star of David was appropriated by a Nation that is well know for the genocide of Palestinian people.  That appropriating a symbol thing...murder a bunch of people thing....oh forget it....I'm sure I'm "reaching"

Here's some more fodder for the shit show....



Is the Birdman cancelled?   

Dig up Berra's interview where he says everything is "gay" about a million times.   Is Berra canc....oh wait sorry.   He was a long time ago I know.

get over yourself Israelites have been the victims of slaughter and destruction throughout history and want a nation to themselves. I say we let em have it. (also the Palestinian government had an entire olympic team of jews killed for no reason other than bigotry)

[yourmumsballs]

Over the years Independent look like they are actively trying to look as Nazi as possible...

[KevinOHara]

If they did change it, what do you think they would change it to?

[victor doom]

If they did change it, what do you think they would change it to?

They should try to build on the lowercase i logo they used not too long ago. They need to just remove the iron cross as the dot

[fulltechnicalskizzy]

what if they twisted the sides of the cross at right angles.to symbolize being on the right side of history

[PatrickSkateman]

Just bring back Orion trucks and get it over with. Those trucks were actually good.

Ventures are just bargain bin trucks with a merketing machine behind them.

[Ok]

If they did change it, what do you think they would change it to?

Should vs Would is kind of interesting question to pose

[palelight]

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If they did change it, what do you think they would change it to?

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Should vs Would is kind of interesting question to pose

Indeed. The should: they honestly don't need a logo. At all. "The Independent Truck Company" in some sort of font/framing like Harley would be enough. They're established enough to not need one. But the would: NHS's kitschy product line of absolute shit needs a logo for koozies and wall-clocks...so they probably wont change it. 

[TheBoognish]

Just bring back Orion trucks and get it over with. Those trucks were actually good.

Ventures are just bargain bin trucks with a merketing machine behind them.

I’d really like if Fury made a comeback as well. I used to love those EVO’s.

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If they did change it, what do you think they would change it to?

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Should vs Would is kind of interesting question to pose

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Indeed. The should: they honestly don't need a logo. At all. "The Independent Truck Company" in some sort of font/framing like Harley would be enough. They're established enough to not need one. But the would: NHS's kitschy product line of absolute shit needs a logo for koozies and wall-clocks...so they probably wont change it.

Yeah they make too much that is juuuuuuust adjacent to some wack shit with their imagery.

The lower case i, no logo, the Harley font, a fucking bald eagle....., a Peterbilt style truck, Peace sign, weed leaf, Lawnmower, lots of options, none of them great for independent. I’m not sure if there is an example of a successful company changing its branding due to social awareness. I don’t think they will change, maybe just run the green and yellow for awhile, but red/black will comeback no doubt.

There is a lot of more pressing issues out there.
Still not cool indy

[CHONGO]

I think you're mildly regular.

[kneebone]

The irony of putting a star of David over the Iron Cross is that the star of David was appropriated by a Nation that is well know for the genocide of Palestinian people.  That appropriating a symbol thing...murder a bunch of people thing....oh forget it....I'm sure I'm "reaching"

Here's some more fodder for the shit show....



Is the Birdman cancelled?   

Dig up Berra's interview where he says everything is "gay" about a million times.   Is Berra canc....oh wait sorry.   He was a long time ago I know.

Old Powell graphics having subtle racist symbology has definitely been discussed before, in some documentary but I can’t remember which one.  The spade behind Steve Steadham’s skull graphic was also pointed out and was something Steve was opposed to.

[Spacetravelisboring]

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The irony of putting a star of David over the Iron Cross is that the star of David was appropriated by a Nation that is well know for the genocide of Palestinian people.  That appropriating a symbol thing...murder a bunch of people thing....oh forget it....I'm sure I'm "reaching"

Here's some more fodder for the shit show....



Is the Birdman cancelled?   

Dig up Berra's interview where he says everything is "gay" about a million times.   Is Berra canc....oh wait sorry.   He was a long time ago I know.

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Old Powell graphics having subtle racist symbology has definitely been discussed before, in some documentary but I can’t remember which one.  The spade behind Steve Steadham’s skull graphic was also pointed out and was something Steve was opposed to.

[ok boomer]

poop back and forth is my favorite video on the internet. for life

[Spunkchild]

Fuck biker/surf nazis

Fuck powell, fuck fausto i spit on his grave and indy.

[SatanicPanic]

Companies coming out of 70s California were not surprisingly big on Nazi imagery- 70s and 80s CA was nazi land. Vans manages to not put nazi logos on everything (yes I know about the TNT shoes with Indy logos on them) while still maintaining some history so it can be done. Anyway Indy should move on. Replace their logo with a screaming foot or something

[I-HATE-YOU]

This got me thinking, as the other day Ed Templeton posted photos from a pro-trump rally and one of the marchers was wearing an Independent jacket.  To non-skaters, does the Indy cross come across as a racist symbol?  Would you wear an Indy shirt in Trump's America?  The Manolo/Ben K thread made some points, like don't look like a nazi if you don't want to be lumped in with nazi's.  Does the same hold true for Indy gear?  Yes, it's a different cross, but still... Curious to hear the Pal's thoughts.

So because that person was at a trump rally, that instantly makes them racist? They couldn’t just like the brand? If someone uses a car to run people over, does the car company now stand for that persons beliefs? I shouldn’t have to say this, but I am not a trump supporter, so if you plan on using that as an insult, it will not work. What has trump done that proves him a white supremacist or racist? What verifiable, proven facts? Not just accusations.

[SatanicPanic]

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This got me thinking, as the other day Ed Templeton posted photos from a pro-trump rally and one of the marchers was wearing an Independent jacket.  To non-skaters, does the Indy cross come across as a racist symbol?  Would you wear an Indy shirt in Trump's America?  The Manolo/Ben K thread made some points, like don't look like a nazi if you don't want to be lumped in with nazi's.  Does the same hold true for Indy gear?  Yes, it's a different cross, but still... Curious to hear the Pal's thoughts.

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So because that person was at a trump rally, that instantly makes them racist? They couldn’t just like the brand? If someone uses a car to run people over, does the car company now stand for that persons beliefs? I shouldn’t have to say this, but I am not a trump supporter, so if you plan on using that as an insult, it will not work. What has trump done that proves him a white supremacist or racist? What verifiable, proven facts? Not just accusations.

Lol you guys always play this game “name some facts, all of which I will call FAKE”. Grow up man, Trump is racist, if you support him you’re racist too. Most of America can see it so you’re not fooling anyone

[cricketclub]

Putting a Star of David on your Indy's is really making a statement and sticking it to the man.

If you want people and companies to change, vote with your money.

This applies doubly if you're a well-respected skate shop and skate shop owner.

I mean, I know we all have our preferences, and we're all very particular, but honestly, do you REALLY care about your trucks that much that you want to make some kind of statement but not enough to actually switch over to another brand? This is Instagram politics in a nutshell.

Are Indy's inherently racist? Is the company itself? Probably not, no. Did they have several meetings about maybe feeling like they seemed a bit racist, but decided, ultimately, that if people liked their logo-adorned products enough to keep buying them by the bucket load, who cares? Certainly.

Do they have ready-made press releases to send out anytime someone asks about racist or hateful imagery, which kind implies they know all this and don't really give a fuck? Sure.

And does wearing an Indy shirt or riding their trucks make you racist? Definitely not.

Have racists and fuckheads bought Independent branded product just because it was an easy and relatively cheap way to give off a certain "vibe"? For sure.

Have Independent made loads of money that way? Oh, definitely.

They might change the logo, but it won't ever change the fact they were fine with that, and happy to make a profit off of it until the world changed and they got called out.

[Dorje Drolo]

This is all so mind boggling. NHS donates 100K to the ACLU which no other skate brand has done and people are still out with pitch forks. That seems like the exact opposite of a brand having racist ideology. Back when all that shit came to light with 1010 what did they do, booted him. They have a diverse team, support skating/shops, sponsor events, tours, etc but apparently have this racist agenda. Which stems from their logo which is in fact a Alissee Cross. Not an iron cross or a swastika but a cross that has been used for centuries. It's on the Pope's vestments. Give it a rest already. Shit Thunder trucks has crossed hammers and lighting bolts in their logo. Are we gonna start in on them next? I hope not cause they are a skateboard truck company just like the rest of them. All this hate is insane. Direct that shit at the establishment, police, government, but leave it out of skating. If you think Indy or any other skate brand is the enemy get your head checked. There's far worst things out there to get triggered over.

[Lou Strux]

This is all so mind boggling. NHS donates 100K to the ACLU which no other skate brand has done and people are still out with pitch forks. That seems like the exact opposite of a brand having racist ideology. Back when all that shit came to light with 1010 what did they do, booted him. They have a diverse team, support skating/shops, sponsor events, tours, etc but apparently have this racist agenda. Which stems from their logo which is in fact a Alissee Cross. Not an iron cross or a swastika but a cross that has been used for centuries. It's on the Pope's vestments. Give it a rest already. Shit Thunder trucks has crossed hammers and lighting bolts in their logo. Are we gonna start in on them next? I hope not cause they are a skateboard truck company just like the rest of them. All this hate is insane. Direct that shit at the establishment, police, government, but leave it out of skating. If you think Indy or any other skate brand is the enemy get your head checked. There's far worst things out there to get triggered over.

And, one could argue, far more important things to get triggered over.
Eyes forward, keep moving, focus on the target. There are REAL issues still to be addressed, meanwhile folks are getting distracted by fuck all who knows what's next. Want to watch the small gains made in the last few weeks dissolve? G'head & chase 45 year old decisions of questionable/poor taste from a skate brand's art dept. rather than holding violent fucks accountable for executions outside of due process. Lots of mud made here on SLAP about this, but how much of it is getting thrown at police departments that back up murderous cops?
This shit isn't going to fix itself without your help, but it sure as hell isn't going to get better anytime soon if we're busy bickering over an indy logo.
Besides, if you need to buy a made in China truck, you can always put your dollars on ACE.
Just wait for their redesign, complete w/ tottenkopf logos on the base plates. 

[peengod]

Companies coming out of 70s California were not surprisingly big on Nazi imagery- 70s and 80s CA was nazi land. Vans manages to not put nazi logos on everything (yes I know about the TNT shoes with Indy logos on them) while still maintaining some history so it can be done. Anyway Indy should move on. Replace their logo with a screaming foot or something

Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel like the association to JJ alone makes the logo appear to be in poor taste. Doesn't really seem worth it keeping an outdated symbol.

[ndsr]

Just bring back Orion trucks and get it over with. Those trucks were actually good.

Ventures are just bargain bin trucks with a merketing machine behind them.

I’m not proud to say when I owned a shop I sold the shit out of those

[SatanicPanic]

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Companies coming out of 70s California were not surprisingly big on Nazi imagery- 70s and 80s CA was nazi land. Vans manages to not put nazi logos on everything (yes I know about the TNT shoes with Indy logos on them) while still maintaining some history so it can be done. Anyway Indy should move on. Replace their logo with a screaming foot or something

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Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel like the association to JJ alone makes the logo appear to be in poor taste. Doesn't really seem worth it keeping an outdated symbol.

Thanks and for the record I’m not say no one ride Indys- I... ride Indys. Just think it’s time to move on to another logo.

[Christmas Complete]

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The irony of putting a star of David over the Iron Cross is that the star of David was appropriated by a Nation that is well know for the genocide of Palestinian people.  That appropriating a symbol thing...murder a bunch of people thing....oh forget it....I'm sure I'm "reaching"

Here's some more fodder for the shit show....



Is the Birdman cancelled?   

Dig up Berra's interview where he says everything is "gay" about a million times.   Is Berra canc....oh wait sorry.   He was a long time ago I know.

[close]

Old Powell graphics having subtle racist symbology has definitely been discussed before, in some documentary but I can’t remember which one.  The spade behind Steve Steadham’s skull graphic was also pointed out and was something Steve was opposed to.

You sure about that? It seems like it would make sense, as spade can be used as a racial slur, but Steve himself used the spade imagery in his own design for his own company, Steadham Designs:

[ndsr]

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This is all so mind boggling. NHS donates 100K to the ACLU which no other skate brand has done and people are still out with pitch forks. That seems like the exact opposite of a brand having racist ideology. Back when all that shit came to light with 1010 what did they do, booted him. They have a diverse team, support skating/shops, sponsor events, tours, etc but apparently have this racist agenda. Which stems from their logo which is in fact a Alissee Cross. Not an iron cross or a swastika but a cross that has been used for centuries. It's on the Pope's vestments. Give it a rest already. Shit Thunder trucks has crossed hammers and lighting bolts in their logo. Are we gonna start in on them next? I hope not cause they are a skateboard truck company just like the rest of them. All this hate is insane. Direct that shit at the establishment, police, government, but leave it out of skating. If you think Indy or any other skate brand is the enemy get your head checked. There's far worst things out there to get triggered over.

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And, one could argue, far more important things to get triggered over.
Eyes forward, keep moving, focus on the target. There are REAL issues still to be addressed, meanwhile folks are getting distracted by fuck all who knows what's next. Want to watch the small gains made in the last few weeks dissolve? G'head & chase 45 year old decisions of questionable/poor taste from a skate brand's art dept. rather than holding violent fucks accountable for executions outside of due process. Lots of mud made here on SLAP about this, but how much of it is getting thrown at police departments that back up murderous cops?
This shit isn't going to fix itself without your help, but it sure as hell isn't going to get better anytime soon if we're busy bickering over an indy logo.
Besides, if you need to buy a made in China truck, you can always put your dollars on ACE.
Just wait for their redesign, complete w/ tottenkopf logos on the base plates. 

I have some Indy, venture and krux.  My favorite trucks are thunders.  I rode some aces on a friend’s board and they seemed super turny but it could of just been set up on a board with a short wheelbase

[getdatshrimp]

poop back and forth is my favorite video on the internet. for life

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[Level 60 Dwarf Rogue]

You motherfuckers owe me an apology.

[swordtechnique]

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You motherfuckers owe me an apology.

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Who are you? why do you deserve an apology?