The HD 4:3 thread

[fickdiepolizei666]

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what's the setup here?

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hpx170 with a no name mk2. same setup as @suckmadeck but without a spacer ring.

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[suckmadeck]

So I've posted before some test footage of my 4x3 HD setup, well the video I was hired to make is coming out at the end of this month so I thought I'd share the trailer with you all.



Shot on a HPX171, with an Opteka/Kapkur 52mm with a 72mm spacer ring, and a 72mm - 52mm step down ring. For this trailer I even experimented with exporting some footage out as an SD .avi file to see if I can make the whole low-res VX1000/DVX100 feel translate to HD HPX footage.

[CossRooper]

Alex Mizurov's new part is in 4:3 @ 60fps. it's definitely choppy at times but some clips are pretty crisp.

So I've posted before some test footage of my 4x3 HD setup, well the video I was hired to make is coming out at the end of this month so I thought I'd share the trailer with you all.



Shot on a HPX171, with an Opteka/Kapkur 52mm with a 72mm spacer ring, and a 72mm - 52mm step down ring. For this trailer I even experimented with exporting some footage out as an SD .avi file to see if I can make the whole low-res VX1000/DVX100 feel translate to HD HPX footage.

wow that was sick, loved some of that flicker-y VFX stuff. stoked for the full vid.

[CossRooper]

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i was just rereading page one and this seems like a really interesting post. These Sony MS907/MS908c Mics appear to be from a similar time period as when the VX was manufactured. Is there a chance they have similar specs and internals to the actual VX microphone? Has anyone tested this further or done a comparison?

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just saw a bunch of them on ebay here in germany for like 30€, might cop one

i'm probably gonna do the same, they're really cheap in the USA too

[KDP]

Super late to the party, but here's my ax700/mk1. Thanks for the help yall! No zooming in post this is pretty much straight to the time line. I've considered distorting the corners a bit to minimize the vig, but not mad at this at all.

I have no idea how to post ig stuff.

This is the AX700 with a Mk1.

First trick is zoomed all the way out, so in edit its the heaviest crop. The second and the last fish trick are zoomed to roughly where I thought 4:3 was, so minimal crop.

You get better final resolution with the second method, but the edges end up pretty soft.
Lower res/more crop on that first frontboard trick...but looks way cleaner.

[suckmadeck]

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Super late to the party, but here's my ax700/mk1. Thanks for the help yall! No zooming in post this is pretty much straight to the time line. I've considered distorting the corners a bit to minimize the vig, but not mad at this at all.

I have no idea how to post ig stuff.

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This is the AX700 with a Mk1.

First trick is zoomed all the way out, so in edit its the heaviest crop. The second and the last fish trick are zoomed to roughly where I thought 4:3 was, so minimal crop.

You get better final resolution with the second method, but the edges end up pretty soft.
Lower res/more crop on that first frontboard trick...but looks way cleaner.

Funny seeing the MK1 look so soft compared to an Opteka. Cool to see it works on a AX700 though! I think a PXW-X70 would be more VX like imo

[pikulev]

gh3 + meike 3.5, sony ms 907

[CossRooper]

gh3 + meike 3.5, sony ms 907

Thanks for posting MS907 footy!! Sounds like it doesn't really resemble the VX mic, but doesn't sound too bad either.

Footage looks great and your friend rips.

[suckmadeck]

Just premiered the video I've been working on for 2 and a half months! Shot on a Panasonic HPX171 (and some Canon G25 thing) with a Kapkur/Opteka 52mm fisheye.

Give it a watch if you fancy

[fickdiepolizei666]

gh3 + meike 3.5, sony ms 907

footage looks great and the ms 907 doesn't sound too bad.

where are those spots? they look really nice

[CossRooper]

@sk8rat just put out this tutorial of how he got a MK1 on the HPX170, most notably shaving a few mm off a spacer ring and gluing it to the bayo ring 

It is seriously shocking how similiar the 480p footage looks to the VX. I think i said it before earlier in the thread, but so much of what I thought was the "VX look" was definitely the character of the MK1.

[suckmadeck]

@sk8rat just put out this tutorial of how he got a MK1 on the HPX170, most notably shaving a few mm off a spacer ring and gluing it to the bayo ring 

It is seriously shocking how similiar the 480p footage looks to the VX. I think i said it before earlier in the thread, but so much of what I thought was the "VX look" was definitely the character of the MK1.

The 480i on the HPX internally is quite soft compared to a true DV camera so I wouldn't recommend it, however shooting at the normal 720p 50p/60p and then dragging that into a 480i timeline and exporting it yields some decent results!

[pikulev]

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gh3 + meike 3.5, sony ms 907

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footage looks great and the ms 907 doesn't sound too bad.

where are those spots? they look really nice

This is spots of Saint Petersburg city, Russia

[andyandyandy]

I have been trying to figure out a way to use my HMC150 to film 4:3 fisheye. I have modded an old vx bayo so that the MK1 will attach. Here is a comparison of the vig and fisheye range. They are pretty close. I will post again once I film some skating with this. Note that the HMC clip was filmed at 0 zoom, but I had to crop in 123% in post to get the vig to match.

[suckmadeck]

I have been trying to figure out a way to use my HMC150 to film 4:3 fisheye. I have modded an old vx bayo so that the MK1 will attach. Here is a comparison of the vig and fisheye range. They are pretty close. I will post again once I film some skating with this. Note that the HMC clip was filmed at 0 zoom, but I had to crop in 123% in post to get the vig to match.

Damn dude, that shit looks good. One of the few MK1's on a HD camera that looks good! So many of em have super soft vig, or a weird yellow glow

[ArneezyBeezy]

Testing out this new light, the Fotodiox Radius Mini. It gets rid of the spotlight effect that happens with my old LED panel, the Yongnuo YN300. Weighs 1.8 lbs where the YN300 weighs 1.2 lbs, both with NPF750 batteries. I think that it is one of the better options out there. It is heavy duty and puts out soft, even light throughout the whole frame. It really does put out 180 degrees of light too. You can turn the light backwards and still have light on the edges of the frame. It also makes filming at night easier for the skater when the on camera light is the main source. Only cons that I can think of is the price and it may be heavy depending on your set up.

I have not tested it with 16:9 but I can if someone would like to see that. I know that this is a 4:3 thread haha.

Both lights at full power. Radius Mini has a built in diffuser and my YN300 has no diffusion. Radius Mini was set at 5600K, camera on auto white balance. Shot at 1/80 F4 @ 1600 ISO.






Not sure what settings I used here but I can probably push the ISO a lot more.

[suckmadeck]

Testing out this new light, the Fotodiox Radius Mini. It gets rid of the spotlight effect that happens with my old LED panel, the Yongnuo YN300. Weighs 1.8 lbs where the YN300 weighs 1.2 lbs, both with NPF750 batteries. I think that it is one of the better options out there. It is heavy duty and puts out soft, even light throughout the whole frame. It really does put out 180 degrees of light too. You can turn the light backwards and still have light on the edges of the frame. It also makes filming at night easier for the skater when the on camera light is the main source. Only cons that I can think of is the price and it may be heavy depending on your set up.

I have not tested it with 16:9 but I can if someone would like to see that. I know that this is a 4:3 thread haha.

Both lights at full power. Radius Mini has a built in diffuser and my YN300 has no diffusion. Radius Mini was set at 5600K, camera on auto white balance. Shot at 1/80 F4 @ 1600 ISO.






Not sure what settings I used here but I can probably push the ISO a lot more.

That's a damn nice light! I was just watching Josh Stewarts Nine Club Stop & Chat where he talks about the spot light effect with LED lights. That thing is fucking huge though, I can imagine it makes filming lines a pain

[Jordan Wiens]

Testing out this new light, the Fotodiox Radius Mini.

hell yeah, could def push it up a lil. get it as bright as possible without blowing out any highlights. also you could def make ur 8-15 a little wider too. good shit tho. and get out of the park!

[ArneezyBeezy]

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Testing out this new light, the Fotodiox Radius Mini.

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hell yeah, could def push it up a lil. get it as bright as possible without blowing out any highlights. also you could def make ur 8-15 a little wider too. good shit tho. and get out of the park!

I was experimenting with the fisheye and some vig overlays. That width is what I call 8.3. The third line from 8. And I'm in the streets sometimes lol. Really inspired by Nick Richard's 4:3 work. I believe he uses Sony Power Zooms and the 8-15 too.

[ThePeoplesChamp]

Es has been putting out some footage recently.

[andyandyandy]

The MK1 bayo mounted onto the HMC150, cropped to 4:3, scaled to 120%. Hoping to swap out the HMC for a HPX to shoot natively in 4:3.

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/615252094

[Jordan Wiens]

The MK1 bayo mounted onto the HMC150, cropped to 4:3, scaled to 120%. Hoping to swap out the HMC for a HPX to shoot natively in 4:3.

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/615252094

that looks wonderful! had no problem focusing? flatter, warmer profile and a vx mic would complete it nicely

[andyandyandy]

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The MK1 bayo mounted onto the HMC150, cropped to 4:3, scaled to 120%. Hoping to swap out the HMC for a HPX to shoot natively in 4:3.

https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/615252094

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that looks wonderful! had no problem focusing? flatter, warmer profile and a vx mic would complete it nicely

It was in auto focus the entire time and didn't go out of focus at all. And yeah I need to improve the scene file / settings. If anyone has any suggestions for HMC lemme know.

[Gil]

Whuddup pals. Forgive my ignorance on this subject, but I've looked around to no avail and am hoping y'all might be able to help.

I haven't been too up on camera knowledge since learning about the VX1000 and DVX100 in the skate perception days. I rocked the VX until a filmer slam took it and my MK1 out of commission. After that, I was able to find a lens for my DVX100A (Century Pro DV Ultra Fisheye Adaper .3x) and have been content with that since.

Well, with the current state of Mini DV tapes, I need a solution. I'm intrigued by HD 4:3 but am not picky, as I need an affordable option (1 income household right now while my wife finishes up school). So my question is, does anyone know, if I were able to come up on an HVX, is there any way to mod my current fisheye to be used with it?

I think I could swing the price of one... It's just those extreme lenses or whatever that are outrageously expensive. Plus like I said, I like the idea of HD 4:3. Again, I'm not too picky though.

Thanks in advance for any advice y'all may have!

[doyle]

So I put this little tutorial together just to demonstrate how to shoot in 4:3 HD on the Panasonic HD cameras. Doesn't cost much at all, you don't need a mad amount of spacers or even a really expensive lens. This is a nice and easy way to get into it. Shalom




Some example footage from a project I've been working on where the entire video will be shot in 4:3 HD:

[Gil]

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Whuddup pals. Forgive my ignorance on this subject, but I've looked around to no avail and am hoping y'all might be able to help.

I haven't been too up on camera knowledge since learning about the VX1000 and DVX100 in the skate perception days. I rocked the VX until a filmer slam took it and my MK1 out of commission. After that, I was able to find a lens for my DVX100A (Century Pro DV Ultra Fisheye Adaper .3x) and have been content with that since.

Well, with the current state of Mini DV tapes, I need a solution. I'm intrigued by HD 4:3 but am not picky, as I need an affordable option (1 income household right now while my wife finishes up school). So my question is, does anyone know, if I were able to come up on an HVX, is there any way to mod my current fisheye to be used with it?

I think I could swing the price of one... It's just those extreme lenses or whatever that are outrageously expensive. Plus like I said, I like the idea of HD 4:3. Again, I'm not too picky though.

Thanks in advance for any advice y'all may have!

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You should be able to remove the bayo ring from your century fisheye, then get a 72mm - 82mm adapter, then a 82mm to 72mm adapter, and screw it directly onto a HVX/HMC/HPX. Just need to crop to 4:3 in post. If you want more vig you could also add a 72mm spacer.

Damn, that's it? Thanks so much for the info. I think I'll be pulling the trigger soon since that's the case.
Really appreciate you!

[CossRooper]

I just copped a Panasonic HDC-TM700, wanted something basic to shoot the homies with in 1080p60 that wasn't the phone.

It has a 46mm thread I believe. If I wanted to fuck around with trying to get some 4:3 fisheye clips, what Opteka/Kapkur should I cop?

I was thinking the 37mm one, with a 46->37mm step down ring. I figured stepping down to the smallest one would produce the most vig and get me closer to a 4:3 ratio with the least number of spacers, compared to grabbing the 43mm or even stepping up to a 58mm.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/673936-REG/Opteka_OPTSC37FE_37mm_0_3X_HD_Ultra.html

Obviously i don't expect anyone to have this exact setup, but is my line of thinking right?

[suckmadeck]

I just copped a Panasonic HDC-TM700, wanted something basic to shoot the homies with in 1080p60 that wasn't the phone.

It has a 46mm thread I believe. If I wanted to fuck around with trying to get some 4:3 fisheye clips, what Opteka/Kapkur should I cop?

I was thinking the 37mm one, with a 46->37mm step down ring. I figured stepping down to the smallest one would produce the most vig and get me closer to a 4:3 ratio with the least number of spacers, compared to grabbing the 43mm or even stepping up to a 58mm.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/673936-REG/Opteka_OPTSC37FE_37mm_0_3X_HD_Ultra.html

Obviously i don't expect anyone to have this exact setup, but is my line of thinking right?

Well for the HPX with it's 72mm filter thread I found going down by 20mm was a great number for a fisheye and 4x3, so I ended up using a 52mm and it looks like a DVX MK2. So I'd say step down to 26mm if that's even possible? If it isn't I'd say the lower the number the better

[Jordan Wiens]

I just copped a Panasonic HDC-TM700, wanted something basic to shoot the homies with in 1080p60 that wasn't the phone.

It has a 46mm thread I believe. If I wanted to fuck around with trying to get some 4:3 fisheye clips, what Opteka/Kapkur should I cop?

I was thinking the 37mm one, with a 46->37mm step down ring. I figured stepping down to the smallest one would produce the most vig and get me closer to a 4:3 ratio with the least number of spacers, compared to grabbing the 43mm or even stepping up to a 58mm.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/673936-REG/Opteka_OPTSC37FE_37mm_0_3X_HD_Ultra.html

Obviously i don't expect anyone to have this exact setup, but is my line of thinking right?

pretty certain this vid is with the 37mm aka the baby death

[bataaard]

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I just copped a Panasonic HDC-TM700, wanted something basic to shoot the homies with in 1080p60 that wasn't the phone.

It has a 46mm thread I believe. If I wanted to fuck around with trying to get some 4:3 fisheye clips, what Opteka/Kapkur should I cop?

I was thinking the 37mm one, with a 46->37mm step down ring. I figured stepping down to the smallest one would produce the most vig and get me closer to a 4:3 ratio with the least number of spacers, compared to grabbing the 43mm or even stepping up to a 58mm.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/673936-REG/Opteka_OPTSC37FE_37mm_0_3X_HD_Ultra.html

Obviously i don't expect anyone to have this exact setup, but is my line of thinking right?

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pretty certain this vid is with the 37mm aka the baby death

it's the opteka 37mm