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Interesting articles and information relating to woodshops:




http://www.jenkemmag.com/home/2021/01/07/look-skateboard-drought-2020/



Although outdated now, this is an interesting list for who, what and where in terms of skateboard manufacturing companies and people

https://www.fysboard.com/worldwide-skateboard-manufacturers-list/



This was a curious one with info on the companies that make products from some of the bigger distros and brand names too

https://matchory.com/top-skateboard-manufacturing-companies




Anything related to woodshops, decks, brands, which company is on which woodshop, any changes and other info relating to that can also be added here.


To note as well, there are some specific threads also going on which have a lot of good info, some more commonly updated than others, so people might not find them going back up to ten pages in Shoes and Gear Messageboards, so I have included some (but not all) relevant deck info threads here too, the top ten being these ones:


DLX Shapes:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=85076.0


Polar shapes thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=112584.0


Quasi thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108613.0


FA/Hockey Shapes:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=114906.0


Girl Deck Shapes:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=84855.0


Squarish Shaped Decks:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=113235.0


Twin tails thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=105756.0


Egg shaped boards:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=100279.0


WBSWB Movement (Wide Board Short Wheelbase):

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=115328.0


DIY boards/graphics:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=48527.0


Everything B L A N K s thread:

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=113993.0



And of course two other threads which I find always have good pics and info:


The Set-up Thread

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=10804.0


Big Boards 9"+( I wanna hear big boys talk about their big boards)

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=97297.0


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Shops that give accurate / decent descriptions and info for decks:


Maybe the most comprehensive deck info:

https://r-fskate.com/shopbrand/deck/


Another excellent Japanese skate shop that lists all deck details and more.

https://www.californiastreet.net/


Good for shaped decks as they show width over trucks:

https://www.conflictskates.co.uk/


Australian site with all the info:

https://www.ocdskateshop.com.au/




https://www.slamcity.com/

Great pics to help with shape choice as well.

SPoT
https://skateparkoftampa.com/spot/cz.aspx?ID=1




Go and check

 https://www.freedomskateshop.at

You can find wheelbase and manufacturers country on 95% of the decks. There is even some sale at the moment on selected decks.



Just a heads up. I just found out SkateDeluxe takes a picture of every deck that shows off the concave, looks like SkateWarehouse too:

https://www.skatedeluxe.com/en

https://www.skatewarehouse.com

Man, this makes shopping for decks online so much easier. SkateDeluxe even have nose and tail measurements.

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Creating space on the first page to add in all the information for woodshops, including pics and other stuff, so it will be easier to access and find throughout the first page of this thread.


I imagine it will take a bit of time to transfer most of the stuff I have compiled and other info, apart from the lists I had kept updated in the previous thread, but any additional info or whatever, please add it in here so I can add it to the main page under each main woodshop, or in one of the spare areas.


At least this should be a much better overall thread right from go, as I had been thinking about it from the first one.


Additional posts I thought were relevant I will include here for now as well:



Woodshop discrepancies

I had been thinking about this for a while, but needed to have more than one deck of each, as well as the same or very closely similar dimensions, so on top of that, here are three decks each from PS Stix (left) and BBS (right) all for the same brand (Element) to compare, measure and see what differences, as noted there are.

As per the tops, the PS Stix is 8.375 x 32.25 and the BBS is 8.25 x 32.25 both with 14.25 wheelbase and very similar length nose and tails. The PS Stix is significantly shorter than the BBS overall, mostly in the tail (which is why I stopped riding them) and curiously not being as wide, both being almost the same, even though 8.375 should be wider than 8.25 but the PS Stix also tapers a lot more from the front down to just over 8.125 at the back, with a stubby squared off tail, whereas the BBS keeps the 8.25 width right through the boards with rounder kicks.

The other interesting thing to note, even though both seem to be much the same angle in the tails and overall concave, all the PS Stix wood appear much steeper in the nose, as per the pics, which I could feel when I stood on them too.

PS Stix are more the traditional mold, with the kicks starting with a definite line across the boards and a straight face on the kicks, so they are flatter with no side to side concave, compared to BBS which have the "spoon concave" in the kicks, no definite line across the deck which makes the boards a little more mellow feeling in the area just after the bolts, as well as holding your foot on the board just a little better too, with side to side concave in the same way that the middle of the board does.

I have skated a lot of both PS Stix and BBS boards over the years, so even though my favourite is BBS nowdays, there is nothing wrong with PS Stix as a good woodshop. Like anything, there will always be those who prefer one more so than the other. This is not at all about how the board feels to ride or how long they last either, just about the measurements and concave for now.



https://www.instagram.com/p/CR7z34oF7_l/




Board dimensions are a funny thing.

Here are four different brands, all from the same woodshop, all of which those companies list different lengths for their 8.5 wide standard shaped decks, but all are actually the exact same size and dimensions overall. Note the wheelbase is listed the same too, at 14.5 for all.

I have also included an older Baker deck beside the newer one (Baker RVCA colab), just for reference, but they are said to be 8.5 x 32, then the Black Label is said to be 8.5 x 32.38, the Element is 8.5 x 32.7 and the Generator (shop brand) deck is listed as 8.5 x 32.5 from their site.

All are actually 8.5 x 32.7 if the tape measure is held against the concave right through, or closer to 32.25 if kept tight from end to end, with a nose at about 7.2 and tail at about 6.7 but that is just rough measurements really.

The dimensions shown on the Element deck are the most accurate, but I know some companies / places prefer to measure straight across, not with the concave, which will always give a different length.

Other decks from different companies, regardless of woodshop, often have inconsistencies, which is why I find it so interesting to have a number of the same boards from various places to measure and compare, all of these being the same, as I have multiples of each.

There are ever so slight differences in concave too, but for the most part, they all are approximately the same, some slightly steeper and some slightly more mellow than others, depending on where they were in the press, being four at a time in this particular woodshop, the top being the steepest down to the fourth deck having the least concave. It can be fairly significant, as per an older post I put up.

The last pic is just an added one with a few other brands which also use the same woodshop, but I didn't have the exact same size boards from those brands to add, even though the Birdhouse and Antihero both are 14.5 wheelbase, they are listed as 8.38 wide and 32.25 long, which come in just under the length of the other ones.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CSV3emllWYC/




Concave in general is an interesting one, especially if you are out there measuring boards with the app for the angle of the kicks, but standing on them is the best way to feel out the concave, which I have done for way too many years, but shall we say that from over a few hundred DLX decks (via a skate shop) I have noted significant differences to other BBS wood - and that was the question, not all woodshops but BBS in particular.

I know there are many other brands / woodshops that have more mellow concave too, just to make that clear.

Back to DLX and Antihero in particular (although all three deck brands use the same wood so have the same options in concave), I only really like to ride the IV boards, or even III when it feels ok, which are significantly more mellow than anything else, including the Baker boards (OG Mellow concave versions) I have, as well as the DGK, and all the other BBS boards that have passed through my hands, too many to count, if we were talking numbers, it would be thousands.  Call me crazy, but almost all of which I have stood on to get a feel for the board too.

Also I don't know what it is but DLX 8.25 decks in general ALL seem to be steeper in concave than others, be it different presses or what, but every number I through to IV have been way steeper than say the 8.38 that I usually ride, which would give the same conclusion to what you found with the grey eagle deck.

Here is an interesting post showing the concave differences from a while back, in particular frames 3 and 4 showing the differences in board concave and angle of kicks, which is quite significant.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CNBo7unFfc4/



On the subject of driving over boards, yes it seems a bit obvious that something has to give structurally and I know some people who have flattened boards too much from doing this, but I have done at least twenty or more myself, all BBS, which has no overall detrimental effect on the deck apart from making it more mellow in the kicks, sometimes doing both ends, other times only doing the tail, but it works and I have never felt any of these boards break or have issues from the process. 

This video below was just the first test on a new board that was too steep, which I was not worried if I broke it or anything, but I have since been parking overnight on most boards as they spring back too quickly from just simply driving over them.  Note the deck before and after, for which I felt almost no difference in the feel of it when I set it back up and skated it, so needed to park on it for way longer.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CFqdpGRBTua/







I meant to say before that Passport decks also seemed like the identical concave (same presses I would imagine) as Magenta, and also on the dark brown wood stains that they are so well known for, so you could seek out one of those.

Isle were on the Generator boards (Blanks from BBS), the difference being medium distributors would get the Generator blanks, then put on the heat transfer graphics of whatever brands they distribute, so would be more likely to change woodshop than some of the brands like Magenta who seem to get the whole deal at the BBS end of things, eg the boards are pressed, graphics put on and everything done, then shipped out from BBS.

This is the sort of thing that mid tier distributors do as well.  Getting the licensed brand graphics and putting them on whatever wood you have.  Not saying this is an issue, so much as it is just part of the skateboard industry that often causes confusion and some issues when people or even the company says what woodshop they use (in the USA), compared to what a mid to small distributor from a different continent uses for the same brand.

An example of this / heat transfer graphics being applied:



https://www.instagram.com/p/CRlYkdhIa28/

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Just in case anyone is wondering, yes this is going to replace the other thread, but I am not about to lock or shut that down until this one is completely up and running with all relevant info.

I talk too much about skateboards.  Sorry.

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Made it through the first ten pages of the 2021 thread but going to have to leave it there for now, but should be back at it again tomorrow to sift through more woodshop info.

Any other info or whatever, please add to this thread now and I will add it into the relevant area on the first page.

Thanks.



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Incredible updates to this thread. Thanks for all your hard work.

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i'm 99% sure crs and cirus are the same thing, cirus is their board brand (like jart is to hlc) and crs is the manufacture
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i'm 99% sure crs and cirus are the same thing, cirus is their board brand (like jart is to hlc) and crs is the manufacture


Yes I think you are right.

I tried looking up more info for them both but there really isn't any out there, or at least none I could see (English only here) with most that easily translates, but I think I just gave up and went on to something else.

I left them both in there, just in case anyway.  It wouldn't be the first time that someone wanted a distinction between two separate business arms, but as per other sites in the USA, I think @TwisT mentioned that Blank boards are also listed as another completely different name, but it comes back to the same place.


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Paterson Skateboards are on Clutch wood. Got the letter + number combo on the top ply.

https://patersonleague.com/


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i'm 99% sure crs and cirus are the same thing, cirus is their board brand (like jart is to hlc) and crs is the manufacture
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Yes I think you are right.

I tried looking up more info for them both but there really isn't any out there, or at least none I could see (English only here) with most that easily translates, but I think I just gave up and went on to something else.

I left them both in there, just in case anyway.  It wouldn't be the first time that someone wanted a distinction between two separate business arms, but as per other sites in the USA, I think @TwisT mentioned that Blank boards are also listed as another completely different name, but it comes back to the same place.

blankdeck.com - wholesaleskateboard.com
Sk8factory.com - customskateboards.com
Im pretty sure progress dist and perfect skateboards are the same. another party should inspect their IG and confirm

Prime LA is like the parent brand of zumiez pricepoint brand goodwood and black. I've seen goodwood boards with prime stamps, but also on the https://www.skateseason.com list the prime number on their site as contact. Also the product shots on season are on the same wall as some prime product shots.

One the subject of prime https://www.primewood.la/o-e-m uses the language "Take advantage of our Prime quality wood made right here in the U.S.A. , or let us orchestrate production from one of our Prime woodshops overseas." which for me implies means that they outsource some work.

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Thank you!

There is so much I hadn't added to the list, both brands and woodshops, I am finding, but now up to page 20 from the old thread, so have added a whole lot more info on the first page as well as some info in the posts above.


I knew this was going to take longer than I first imagined, but it should be a pretty good resource once I have pulled out more info from the other threads.



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AD is done. They sent a business card for a lawyer to my homie because they took his cash and couldn’t give him the bloards they agreed on. Less than year. Smh

it must be crazy when chico sells you something and the tables switch from "give me my money chico" to "giving my money to chico"

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Maybe I missed it, but what about High Grade Distribution/Satori? If I had to guess I’d say BBS from the shapes and feel. Just have that one dot in the middle of the front truck bolts. And super hyped on the shape.


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Maybe I missed it, but what about High Grade Distribution/Satori? If I had to guess I’d say BBS from the shapes and feel. Just have that one dot in the middle of the front truck bolts. And super hyped on the shape.


You are going to have to give me a bit more info on that one.

The old High Grade Dist from way back when with Satori wheels and Creation Skateboards folded and I hadn't really been paying any attention to whoever or whatever has taken over in that department, given the old website is now totally different being for weed and associated products.


I had a quick look for them, couldn't find anything so thought it better to just ask as you should have more info, links or anything else, etc.


From 2012 - about ten years ago...



High Grade Distribution (http://www.highgradedistribution.com/)
Creation Skateboards
Satori Wheels
Upful Hardware
Paradox Griptape
Satori Apparel



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Hey thanks,
Same people new website, they started making decks again. The decks just have a “high grade distribution” graphic on top. Also they sent out mad stickers like 50 assorted, pretty rad
https://www.satorimovement.com/collections/decks
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Hey thanks,
Same people new website, they started making decks again. The decks just have a “high grade distribution” graphic on top. Also they sent out mad stickers like 50 assorted, pretty rad
https://www.satorimovement.com/collections/decks


Yeah that's rad they are doing boards, or good ones at least.

What sizes did you get?

I see there are quite a few from below 8, 8.0 8.1 8.25 8.5 so have all covered.


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Hey thanks,
Same people new website, they started making decks again. The decks just have a “high grade distribution” graphic on top. Also they sent out mad stickers like 50 assorted, pretty rad
https://www.satorimovement.com/collections/decks
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Yeah that's rad they are doing boards, or good ones at least.

What sizes did you get?

I see there are quite a few from below 8, 8.0 8.1 8.25 8.5 so have all covered.

Actually I got a 7.75(green one)with the Bigfoot graphic and a 7.8 (brown one) with the satori elephant. Just started skating smaller setups again. The shapes are pretty full for being smaller, nose and tail aren’t very tapered or too square. They have 14” wheel base also.
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AD is done. They sent a business card for a lawyer to my homie because they took his cash and couldn’t give him the bloards they agreed on. Less than year. Smh

Website is still up, they mentioned restructuring a few months ago. Grew too fast and took more orders than they could handle?

Edit: Website is empty except for some "pricepoint" decks going for $199.

https://www.adskateboards.com/shop/price-point-decks/
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Actually I got a 7.75(green one)with the Bigfoot graphic and a 7.8 (brown one) with the satori elephant. Just started skating smaller setups again. The shapes are pretty full for being smaller, nose and tail aren’t very tapered or too square. They have 14” wheel base also.



Is that also a dvd or cd in with one of the boards?

A number of brands used to do that back in the day, but it seems like that hasn't happened for a long time now.

Funny how things change and everything is so much quicker just to get onto their Instagram or something to see the latest clips of whatever.


Good stuff!


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AD is done. They sent a business card for a lawyer to my homie because they took his cash and couldn’t give him the bloards they agreed on. Less than year. Smh
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Website is still up, they mentioned restructuring a few months ago. Grew too fast and took more orders than they could handle?

Edit: Website is empty except for some "pricepoint" decks going for $199.

https://www.adskateboards.com/shop/price-point-decks/


That does look weird.

Almost like someone just put up some figures or took over, who didn't know what was what.



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Another reason why religion and skateboarding should never mix. So from what I’ve gathered, AD stands for ammo domini which is latin for “in the year of our lord”. So obviously a Christian based company.
Ritual skateboards from Colorado Springs is a prominent, long standing, local company that uses “evil” imagery. No different than creature or blood wizard graphics. They wanted to get their bloards pressed locally by AD.
Supposedly two of the screeners quit/fired because they were down to print evil graphics, which is against the company’s values. But with less than a year in business, being flooded with orders from every local upstart, and then losing employees. They broke off more than they could chew.
There used to be this indoor skatepark/ church that would let you skate for free if you attended the service. I used to bring my headphones. Anyway the “pastor” that did the services had an ender on a 411vm opener. Allegedly he was smoking dope between preaching to kids and skating. He got called out and lost his park and it’s in much better hands. Basically this dude has been crossed out from the skate scene for several years and AD thought it would be smart to have him involved.

it must be crazy when chico sells you something and the tables switch from "give me my money chico" to "giving my money to chico"

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Correction Square up skateboards is generator wood

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Actually I got a 7.75(green one)with the Bigfoot graphic and a 7.8 (brown one) with the satori elephant. Just started skating smaller setups again. The shapes are pretty full for being smaller, nose and tail aren’t very tapered or too square. They have 14” wheel base also.

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Is that also a dvd or cd in with one of the boards?

A number of brands used to do that back in the day, but it seems like that hasn't happened for a long time now.

Funny how things change and everything is so much quicker just to get onto their Instagram or something to see the latest clips of whatever.


Good stuff!

 No CD just a big sticker


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are crailtap decks still good now? last time i rode was almost 10 years ago, super stiff wood. thinking of skating one again if not i'll resort to resin-7 decks

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are crailtap decks still good now? last time i rode was almost 10 years ago, super stiff wood. thinking of skating one again if not i'll resort to resin-7 decks
Better but still inferior to BBS, PS Stix or DSM IMO, but it's nice they list their dims in detail if you're a stickler for that.
Venture Truck Height:

5.0 & 5.2 LO
STANDARD - 1.88” - 47.75mm
FORGED - 1.85”- 46.99mm

5.0 ,5.2, 5.6, 5.8 & 6.1 HI
STANDARD - 2.09” - 53.09mm
FORGED - 2.04” - 51.82m

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Just gotta say, thank you @Woodshop for consolidating everything into a single comprehensive thread.

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Just gotta say, thank you @Woodshop for consolidating everything into a single comprehensive thread.


It keeps be busy and helps me with an outlet to stay sane, so I would say it is a win / win for everyone.

But really, I am just stoked to be able to help people and skateboarding is definitely the one constant that never fails to keep me going, not to mention all the other things to do with skateboarding that have helped me on this rollercoaster ride of life.

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This thread is mind-blowing @Woodshop, thanks for putting everything together. It's really useful for the "Euros" because here shops doesn't care much and there's a lot of brands using different woodshops.

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This thread is mind-blowing @Woodshop, thanks for putting everything together. It's really useful for the "Euros" because here shops doesn't care much and there's a lot of brands using different woodshops.

It definitely seems that a lot more brands are using "other woodshops" for many of their EU supply, whether or not that is something to do with ease of distribution, or just the fact that Asia is closer to get wood from than Mexico, for many that would otherwise be from one of those places.

I guess it just comes down to anyone and everyone checking the list and posting any changes or anything that they notice too, with regard to whatever boards they are buying or skating.

At least with a significant coverage of Slap users, the list is much more likely to be updated with all the info coming in as well, rather than just what a few people hear or read, especially from here in AU, with so much going on out there in the rest of the world.


* Oh and still not even half way through all the other threads getting info and compiling board pics either, so I really aim to clean up that first page once I have been though those other threads.