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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3690 on: April 17, 2021, 09:07:37 AM »
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With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
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the skate tool is the only thing im considering and even that is $20+ dollars. got me fucked up
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just look up “compact skate tool”, I got one from with some radeckal branding for $13 shipped. TOA offered one for a little while too. the whole thing is metal so a file is redundant, only thing your missing is the rethreader.


Ahh! That TOA one was the one I had that was like, falling apart. The tools wouldnt keep together. Hoping the Ace one is better quality.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3691 on: April 17, 2021, 09:45:36 AM »
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With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
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I read through the last few pages and thought it would be best to wait until I actually see the trucks or get a set and ride them before making any wild posts of how my life is now complete or ruined because of slight changes in a truck, especially one I don't usually ride.

This might just be me, but I would think there would be quite a few others in the same position.

No point in making assumptions before you have even seen the product with your own eyes - I have seen all the shop info, specs and other marketing stuff when it first came out too, including the price, so I guess you could say I was in a more informed position than most people who don't work for a shop or have wholesale access to Ace products.

Overall I think they have made a better truck, regardless of what some people wanted with regard to size, width / height / weight, wheelbase, price, etc.



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What size Ace (new and old) fit an 8.5 best?
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AF1 is 55 for right on 8.5 size.

Classic is 44 for 8.38 axles so it will sit under a bit.
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Thanks for the response. I had some 44 classics on an 8.5 board that got stolen last night. I was liking them. Considering whether I should buy more 44 classics or move over to the AFs.
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I like to have my wheels flush with the edge of the board, so the Classic 44s were never really quite what I wanted for width in truck, but they still work well for most people who wanted no wheel showing.

The new ones are more expensive, along with all the rest of the added features, but also sit right on 8.5, so depending on how much you have to spend and where you like the wheels to sit, I would say those two factors will be the deciding point for which truck you buy.

Personally I would be going for the AF1, but that is just me.

Yeah, pretty much - I guess if you’ve got the cash to splash then why not. But for me I can’t justify it, I’ve already got a pair of 22 i found for $60 AUD (= $46US) on a 7.75, extra washers and it’s flush. Am I going to upgrade to the AF1 22 for $130 AUD (=$100US) for extra weight? No, but maybe when these ones are done it’s an option.

Looking forward to feedback from Slap if new metal/“technology” is noticeably different or better or what people think.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3692 on: April 17, 2021, 09:49:30 AM »
Just ordered a set from my local since I can’t make it in person. I’ll see how they are in a few days I guess.

So now I will have a setup with ventures and one with ace haha

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3693 on: April 17, 2021, 10:49:34 AM »
Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3694 on: April 17, 2021, 11:12:48 AM »
This is all very stressful.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3695 on: April 17, 2021, 11:33:14 AM »
All Rethread Everythang
them cats are out getting mashed up to jungle, he's out mashing up jungle cats. it's just not gonna work.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3696 on: April 17, 2021, 11:41:52 AM »
This is all very stressful.

Yeah, I just ordered the 33's in gold. I'd rather have credit card debt than this lingering on my mind.

I still feel like I overpaid. $65 for standard trucks... ::)

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3697 on: April 17, 2021, 11:44:49 AM »
Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.

There it is. Much appreciated.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3698 on: April 17, 2021, 11:56:31 AM »
Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.

For real, thank you and Shalom!!!!
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3699 on: April 17, 2021, 11:58:59 AM »
Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.

the slap ministry of measurements is very pleased with your work.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3700 on: April 17, 2021, 12:09:04 PM »
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This is all very stressful.
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Yeah, I just ordered the 33's in gold. I'd rather have credit card debt than this lingering on my mind.

I still feel like I overpaid. $65 for standard trucks... ::)
I felt sticker shock at first and then I remembered I bought the TI ventures and only used the hangar so it made me feel better while also making me feel worse somehow

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3701 on: April 17, 2021, 12:21:46 PM »
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Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.
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the slap ministry of measurements is very pleased with your work.


This should be it's own thread where people post the size and weights of all things.

I'd be most interested in what wheels weigh.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3702 on: April 17, 2021, 02:14:06 PM »
With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.

As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start. 

I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3703 on: April 17, 2021, 02:25:43 PM »
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Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.
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the slap ministry of measurements is very pleased with your work.
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This should be it's own thread where people post the size and weights of all things.

I'd be most interested in what wheels weigh.

https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=108580.0

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3704 on: April 17, 2021, 03:12:10 PM »
Alright, so I was bad and decided to try out my AF1 77s today even though my 55 classics are still going strong. Got in about an hour skating some curbs and flat, and I wanted to share my initial thoughts. Obviously these are just my first impressions, but I wanted to put them out these in case anyone was curious.

I set these up on my Cardiel football (9" over the back truck, 8.75" over the front) and I was pretty surprised by how squirrely they felt out the gate. I usually skate my Ace classics stock, and while they feel a little loose within about a half hour they're perfect. The AF1s still firmed up quick, but I did end up giving each about a half turn before I went out.

Getting out and actually skating, it needs to be said that these turn like Aces and not like Indys. The axle moves inwards with the turn and I was truly impressed with how long it took these wide-ass (9.5") trucks to bite with 56mm CF spits and only 1/8" risers. The new pivot cups feel really fucking good too, super smooth and responsive. So anyone who thinks these "might as well be Indys" or whatever, relax.

The grind is super smooth and fast, and the metal feels harder and more durable than the classics for sure. Some people are going to love this, some people are going to hate it. I am really used to the softer feeling grind of the classics and TBQH I think these will take a bit of getting used to. That being said, if you ever wanted Aces to feel harder and smoother (like an Indy), you will love these. I can already tell it is going to take a lot longer to groove these up.

Pop feel was good and not too different from the classics. I felt like I might have been popping stuff a little higher than usual, but that could have also been me just having a good day. Either way, it didn't feel super heavy or anything. Overall I am pretty psyched on these. Also, the new Ace risers feel great and it rules to finally have a riser that lines up perfectly.

Posting pic of my setup below at the end of my first session, I know it looks like a crazy hotrod but from the top you really can't see the wheels. For comparison with the bite marks, I've skated this board with 159s, 55 classics, and the 77s. If you look over the back wheels you can see where they really move towards the center before they hit.





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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3705 on: April 17, 2021, 03:16:00 PM »
Alright, so I was bad and decided to try out my AF1 77s today even though my 55 classics are still going strong. Got in about an hour skating some curbs and flat, and I wanted to share my initial thoughts. Obviously these are just my first impressions, but I wanted to put them out these in case anyone was curious.

I set these up on my Cardiel football (9" over the back truck, 8.75" over the front) and I was pretty surprised by how squirrely they felt out the gate. I usually skate my Ace classics stock, and while they feel a little loose within about a half hour they're perfect. The AF1s still firmed up quick, but I did end up giving each about a half turn before I went out.

Getting out and actually skating, it needs to be said that these turn like Aces and not like Indys. The axle moves inwards with the turn and I was truly impressed with how long it took these wide-ass (9.5") trucks to bite with 56mm CF spits and only 1/8" risers. The new pivot cups feel really fucking good too, super smooth and responsive. So anyone who thinks these "might as well be Indys" or whatever, relax.

The grind is super smooth and fast, and the metal feels harder and more durable than the classics for sure. Some people are going to love this, some people are going to hate it. I am really used to the softer feeling grind of the classics and TBQH I think these will take a bit of getting used to. That being said, if you ever wanted Aces to feel harder and smoother (like an Indy), you will love these. I can already tell it is going to take a lot longer to groove these up.

Pop feel was good and not too different from the classics. I felt like I might have been popping stuff a little higher than usual, but that could have also been me just having a good day. Either way, it didn't feel super heavy or anything. Overall I am pretty psyched on these. Also, the new Ace risers feel great and it rules to finally have a riser that lines up perfectly.

Posting pic of my setup below at the end of my first session, I know it looks like a crazy hotrod but from the top you really can't see the wheels. For comparison with the bite marks, I've skated this board with 159s, 55 classics, and the 77s. If you look over the back wheels you can see where they really move towards the center before they hit.



Thanks for the review man. Feeling more stoked to try mine when they show up next week.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3706 on: April 17, 2021, 03:18:44 PM »
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With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
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As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start. 

I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.
so if af1's are the answer to this and they continue making the classics (no upgrades), then they're intentionally selling a defective product (known to bend)? on the other hand, if they apply the new methods of processing the materials to the classics, there would be no need for the af1's and they could've just squeezed in the extra sizes like thunders with their 148s and indys with their 144s... or just shift them over to keep the multiples of 11s... or refer to the size by axle length in inches

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3707 on: April 17, 2021, 03:22:29 PM »
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With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
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As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start. 

I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.
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so if af1's are the answer to this and they continue making the classics (no upgrades), then they're intentionally selling a defective product (known to bend)? on the other hand, if they apply the new methods of processing the materials to the classics, there would be no need for the af1's and they could've just squeezed in the extra sizes like thunders with their 148s and indys with their 144s... or just shift them over to keep the multiples of 11s... or refer to the size by axle length in inches

I thought about this too. The Shredz Shop guy did a video on ACE/AF1s today and said that the bent axle was a problem that has already been fixed in the classics.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3708 on: April 17, 2021, 03:31:52 PM »
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With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
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As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start. 

I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.
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so if af1's are the answer to this and they continue making the classics (no upgrades), then they're intentionally selling a defective product (known to bend)? on the other hand, if they apply the new methods of processing the materials to the classics, there would be no need for the af1's and they could've just squeezed in the extra sizes like thunders with their 148s and indys with their 144s... or just shift them over to keep the multiples of 11s... or refer to the size by axle length in inches

I'd guess you'd have to determine how much bending is anecdotal, sorta "they're trucks, shit happens," events vs full-on habitual occurrence to call them defective. For every person (on here) that's said "mine bent" you have a few people that say they've never had an issue. In the modern era of skating Indy only really got their shit together with the ass-end of Stage 10's, with Stage 11's being pretty faultless from a construction point of view. So I'm willing to give Ace a bit of rope to figure them out, cause they do offer something unique.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3709 on: April 17, 2021, 03:53:56 PM »
Now that we finally have an 8.5 Ace I'm tempted to give them a 4th try but at the same time I have trust issues about it since well... I tried them 3 times before and I hated them mainly because of the bushings popping out like a tight shirt on a fat chick
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forgive me if i somehow missed it, but could someone help me with just how flat the flat as fuck decks really are?
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« Reply #3710 on: April 17, 2021, 05:55:16 PM »
Now that we finally have an 8.5 Ace I'm tempted to give them a 4th try but at the same time I have trust issues about it since well... I tried them 3 times before and I hated them mainly because of the bushings popping out like a tight shirt on a fat chick

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3711 on: April 17, 2021, 06:03:59 PM »
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Now that we finally have an 8.5 Ace I'm tempted to give them a 4th try but at the same time I have trust issues about it since well... I tried them 3 times before and I hated them mainly because of the bushings popping out like a tight shirt on a fat chick
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Thanks for that IE, exactly my point.
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forgive me if i somehow missed it, but could someone help me with just how flat the flat as fuck decks really are?
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3712 on: April 17, 2021, 06:20:06 PM »
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Now that we finally have an 8.5 Ace I'm tempted to give them a 4th try but at the same time I have trust issues about it since well... I tried them 3 times before and I hated them mainly because of the bushings popping out like a tight shirt on a fat chick
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Thanks for that IE, exactly my point.
Haha I feel your pain man. The bushing break in process is silly but it's worth it when they finally come around.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3713 on: April 17, 2021, 07:09:44 PM »
Here to do my civic duty and report on these new Ace 55's. As others have said, these are definitely not Indy's even if it's supposedly true they extended the wheelbase. I didn't need to break out measuring tools, neither do you. You'll be alright. These turn like Ace's, which is why you skate them, or why you're curious to skate them and reading this. Because you wanna feel that fucking turn baby.

I'm heavier so Ace stocks give me pretty bad wheelbite at first until they firm up. The bushings look and feel identical to the ones that have been coming stock on the classics. Seems like they just swapped the washers for ones that don't make the bushings peel or pop out when you lean. The casting isn't that grainy soft feel like the AF1'S which is pretty clear to the naked eye. Much more shiny polished look and harder feel when you drag your fingernail across it. The grind felt slightly stickier.

Kingpins are goldish colored and look more "precision" machined. Axles look better machined l guess, too. Laser engraved to indicate the size...ok but who really fucking cares at the end of the day. Axle nuts are cool, blah blah blah. So overall, in terms of all the metal parts of this truck, the quality control has been stepped up...is it worth the hype?

Let's get on to these pivot cups. Or perhaps even the actual pivot cavity itself. Before I even rolled on these and left the trucks stock tightness, I could wiggle the pivot point of the hanger back and forth with significant space inside of the pivot cup. After skating for literally less than an hour, I noticed the tops of these pivot cups are like melting and it looks like a gunky layer of wax and it's attracted quite a few granules from the ground to stick to it. It's like 48⁰F here. Not hot.

Due to the play inside of the pivot cavity, it's creating a dead sound when my board rolls and pops. This is what frustrates me the most with Ace's, as I've had a lot of sets in my lifetime and there's been some that no matter what they sounded dead, and others that were proper and crisp sounding. Never had this issue with any other trucks out there, and I've skated em all.

Let's go back to that question....are these worth the hype?

No. 100% no.

I overpaid for a truck that's .12" wider than my 44's (which have been working fine), sound dead, have melting pivot cups, stickier grind and aesthetically look a little prettier (I love this V2 type hanger more than the ugly V3 "classics"). Is the aluminum and everything stronger? Sure, yeah. But I'm not naive enough to believe these are some INDESTRUCTIBLE trucks that are being marketed like GAME CHANGING quality and strength.

Some will say I'm being negative or whatever, but I'm just being real here, folks. Until another truck company can surpass Ace's geometry, I'll always ride em. But next time I'm gonna go skate I'll be putting my V2 44 classics on that are nice and grooved in and sound crisp. I'll either sell these or just keep them and see if I can find a pivot cup that will fit the fuckin hanger into it properly like these marketed 96a boutique hand poured ones should have done in the first place ::)

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3714 on: April 17, 2021, 10:32:44 PM »
Ultimately, what i find fascinating is that Ace have gone completely off script from the current truck market norm. While other truck companies are making higher/lower trucks, inverted kingpin and heavier/lighter trucks (hollow, titanium etc), Ace have completely ignored all that and just made essentially the same truck with more premium materials. All Ace are some height, and all essentially the same weight (for size). Really interesting move.

But, now Ace comes in eleven different widths! Love it.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3715 on: April 18, 2021, 01:25:45 AM »
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With many of the truck madness regulars either not posting or not jumping on these ASAP, clearly they're missing the mark.
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As more first hand reports come out, those folks will undoubtedly give them a go. While there's a good amount I could complain about, I'd say if you scroll their insta feed on any given day (and let's be honest, insta comments are legion compared to weirdos in the truck thread) it's always: make an 8.5, and why they bent? They now have an 8.5 and TBD on whether or not they're actually stronger. So they probably satisfied the market they needed to. And at the same time they keep the Classics going and maintain the bowl-troll crowd that gave them their start. 

I will say, they 100% should be offering different duro bushings instead attempt #37 on new axle nuts. Especially when you have snaps of pros with setups tightened down to the fucking root. That one makes zero sense to me.
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so if af1's are the answer to this and they continue making the classics (no upgrades), then they're intentionally selling a defective product (known to bend)? on the other hand, if they apply the new methods of processing the materials to the classics, there would be no need for the af1's and they could've just squeezed in the extra sizes like thunders with their 148s and indys with their 144s... or just shift them over to keep the multiples of 11s... or refer to the size by axle length in inches
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I thought about this too. The Shredz Shop guy did a video on ACE/AF1s today and said that the bent axle was a problem that has already been fixed in the classics.


He also said in the comments that the geometry between the Classics and AF1 remains unchanged so he is likely misinformed/out of touch on a delicate topic like this. Personally I only trust people on Slap.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3716 on: April 18, 2021, 02:16:50 AM »
Apologies if this has been covered this thread is huge

So the lows, and the classics are staying the same size?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3717 on: April 18, 2021, 02:47:06 AM »
Apologies if this has been covered this thread is huge

So the lows, and the classics are staying the same size?

The comments from Ace on their insta say the Classics are staying the same. Can't remember seeing any word on the lows, but I'd guess the same.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3718 on: April 18, 2021, 07:10:29 AM »
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Just mounted a new set of 44 classics and a new set of 55 AF1s to the same board:

Ace Classics:
17.09375 (3/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.21875 (7/32) (axle to axle)
\ 2 (to average results)
= 17.15625 (5/32)
-14.375 (wheelbase of board)
=2.78125 (25/32) or 2.75” wheelbase extension.

Ace AF1:
17.40625 (13/32) (axle to axle)
+ 17.25 (8/32) (axle to axle)
/2 (to average results)
= 17.328125 (10.5/32)
-14.375” (wheelbase of board)
= 2.953125 (30.5/32) or 2.875” / 3” wheelbase extension depending on how you look at it.

Basically the new ones have a tiny bit of a wider wheelbase (1/8” - 1/4”).

Oh Also:

397g for one Ace 44 Classic with washers & 397g for one Ace 55 AF1 with washers but not the re-threader so the new guys are a teeny bit lighter.
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the slap ministry of measurements is very pleased with your work.
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This should be it's own thread where people post the size and weights of all things.

I'd be most interested in what wheels weigh.

If you’ve spent any time around cyclists and their forums, you’d know that weight and measurement spreadsheets are sacrosanct. The weenies here would probably appreciate something similar.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #3719 on: April 18, 2021, 07:35:18 AM »
This thread no longer feels like a safe place.
I have some Af1 55s on the way. If they work out I'll get some 66s also.
All I'm looking for at this point is a harder grind and more durable truck with good bushings, pivot cups and that magic turn. Weight doesn't bother me.