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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7020 on: September 13, 2024, 06:23:49 PM »
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After few sessions on the AF1s, I like them. The QC issues of release time 2021 seem to be gone and hard bushings make turn stabler for me. But I can't help noticing the slightly soggier feeling of the complete. The wheel bark is gone, even when there's half turn worth of play in each wheel. Could it be axle being more precisely machined? Not ruining my skateboarding but interesting difference.
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The soggy feeling and sound dampening is coming from the heavy grease in the pivot cups.
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After few sessions on the AF1s, I like them. The QC issues of release time 2021 seem to be gone and hard bushings make turn stabler for me. But I can't help noticing the slightly soggier feeling of the complete. The wheel bark is gone, even when there's half turn worth of play in each wheel. Could it be axle being more precisely machined? Not ruining my skateboarding but interesting difference.
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The soggy feeling and sound dampening is coming from the heavy grease in the pivot cups.
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I have Riptides, so cannot be that - at least they did not do that for Indys or Ventures.
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I have riptides in AF1s and in Indy 144s. Aces make that waterlogged sound. Indys do not. I have no idea why.
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Yeah, that grease comment is BS. lol...for real?

It's the metal/how they are cast/forged/hollow/not hollow etc. ACEs (and slappy) are very dense metals, not so porous or 'rough' like Indy/thunder/venture.
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I would put my money on axle precision. When I set up my AF1s, I noticed that bearings slide in differently, there's less play between bearing inner ring and axle. The feeling and sound is similar what you get with other trucks by tightening wheels completely with a spacer. Also, the Spitfire bark is gone. As said, does not ruin my skating but impossible to not notice first.
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This is wild to me.
My spits sound the same regardless of which truck they’re on.
But you go, baby.

Ace axles are thicker to make your bearings work better. And, I presume makes them stronger.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7021 on: September 13, 2024, 10:42:44 PM »
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After few sessions on the AF1s, I like them. The QC issues of release time 2021 seem to be gone and hard bushings make turn stabler for me. But I can't help noticing the slightly soggier feeling of the complete. The wheel bark is gone, even when there's half turn worth of play in each wheel. Could it be axle being more precisely machined? Not ruining my skateboarding but interesting difference.
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The soggy feeling and sound dampening is coming from the heavy grease in the pivot cups.
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After few sessions on the AF1s, I like them. The QC issues of release time 2021 seem to be gone and hard bushings make turn stabler for me. But I can't help noticing the slightly soggier feeling of the complete. The wheel bark is gone, even when there's half turn worth of play in each wheel. Could it be axle being more precisely machined? Not ruining my skateboarding but interesting difference.
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The soggy feeling and sound dampening is coming from the heavy grease in the pivot cups.
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I have Riptides, so cannot be that - at least they did not do that for Indys or Ventures.
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I have riptides in AF1s and in Indy 144s. Aces make that waterlogged sound. Indys do not. I have no idea why.
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Yeah, that grease comment is BS. lol...for real?

It's the metal/how they are cast/forged/hollow/not hollow etc. ACEs (and slappy) are very dense metals, not so porous or 'rough' like Indy/thunder/venture.
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I would put my money on axle precision. When I set up my AF1s, I noticed that bearings slide in differently, there's less play between bearing inner ring and axle. The feeling and sound is similar what you get with other trucks by tightening wheels completely with a spacer. Also, the Spitfire bark is gone. As said, does not ruin my skating but impossible to not notice first.
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This is wild to me.
My spits sound the same regardless of which truck they’re on.
But you go, baby.

Ok, maybe I exaggerated a bit, but the slide sound is not the same and more often there is no squeal. Might be also my recent gear madness in play here...

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7022 on: September 19, 2024, 07:58:40 AM »
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If you don't get wheelbite you're not riding loose enough.
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I think he meant that you don't get insta-wheelbite when you turn because it's not linearly loose from center to max turn. It's like the trucks are loose for 90% of the turn, you start to get a significant resistance only in the last 10%, if that make sense.

I know it's an old comment but what causes this? I skate risers and it's driving me crazy because I can't get a deep turn without the trucks locking up and the wheels coming off the ground well before wheelbite. Top bushing? Bottom bushing? Geometry? Washer shape?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7023 on: September 19, 2024, 08:15:35 AM »
The arc of the turn on Ace, minimize wheel bite to an extent. when i first started skating Ace, it was really noticeable. almost like a 2 part turn.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7024 on: September 21, 2024, 07:18:17 PM »
Been riding an 8.5 deck with Thunder 149 lights, spitfire ff 54’s for a few years now. Considering trying the ace hollow af1’s. I am a bigger dude, wondering if this will throw off my pop and timing super badly?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7025 on: September 21, 2024, 10:37:23 PM »
Been riding an 8.5 deck with Thunder 149 lights, spitfire ff 54’s for a few years now. Considering trying the ace hollow af1’s. I am a bigger dude, wondering if this will throw off my pop and timing super badly?

yeah it might feel alil crammed

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7026 on: September 22, 2024, 12:21:42 AM »
Been riding an 8.5 deck with Thunder 149 lights, spitfire ff 54’s for a few years now. Considering trying the ace hollow af1’s. I am a bigger dude, wondering if this will throw off my pop and timing super badly?
When I switched from Thunders to Ace, the change in pop timing fucked w/ me until I finally moved my foot a lickle into the pocket & shit started to make sense.
Still prefer the Thunder pop but I can’t argue with that Ace turn.
Those Lurps are a nice middle ground between the two though, as far as getting a more pre-loaded pop feeling AND a super squiggly turn.
Looking forward to whatever turny version of a truck Thunder has cooking up in this new iteration, whenever those drop.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7027 on: September 22, 2024, 06:43:02 AM »
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Been riding an 8.5 deck with Thunder 149 lights, spitfire ff 54’s for a few years now. Considering trying the ace hollow af1’s. I am a bigger dude, wondering if this will throw off my pop and timing super badly?
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yeah it might feel alil crammed

This worries me but I’ve also been skating like shit recently so I feel like maybe I need a change

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7028 on: September 22, 2024, 06:44:21 AM »
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Been riding an 8.5 deck with Thunder 149 lights, spitfire ff 54’s for a few years now. Considering trying the ace hollow af1’s. I am a bigger dude, wondering if this will throw off my pop and timing super badly?
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When I switched from Thunders to Ace, the change in pop timing fucked w/ me until I finally moved my foot a lickle into the pocket & shit started to make sense.
Still prefer the Thunder pop but I can’t argue with that Ace turn.
Those Lurps are a nice middle ground between the two though, as far as getting a more pre-loaded pop feeling AND a super squiggly turn.
Looking forward to whatever turny version of a truck Thunder has cooking up in this new iteration, whenever those drop.

This happened when I tried risers with my Thunder lights. Pop was messed up and couldn’t land anything. Had to take them off

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7029 on: September 26, 2024, 12:07:09 PM »
Bout to buy my first aces
Still didnt decide my new wheels tho.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7030 on: September 29, 2024, 03:53:24 PM »
My classics have got loose kingpin syndrome and I don't want to change the trucks. What effect does this have on the turn? In my head I feel like it makes the middle tippy. If you tighten them up the tippyness goes but then the trucks don't turn. Anyone has the same issue? Seems like a common issue. Does this happen on the AF1 lows?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7031 on: September 29, 2024, 05:00:55 PM »
My classics have got loose kingpin syndrome and I don't want to change the trucks. What effect does this have on the turn? In my head I feel like it makes the middle tippy. If you tighten them up the tippyness goes but then the trucks don't turn. Anyone has the same issue? Seems like a common issue. Does this happen on the AF1 lows?

The only effect I’ve noticed from this is that it’s less stable at high speed. I would get speed wobbles when skating vert
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7032 on: September 29, 2024, 09:56:11 PM »
My classics have got loose kingpin syndrome and I don't want to change the trucks. What effect does this have on the turn? In my head I feel like it makes the middle tippy. If you tighten them up the tippyness goes but then the trucks don't turn. Anyone has the same issue? Seems like a common issue. Does this happen on the AF1 lows?

I've had it happen and I kind of liked it. Didn't mess with me.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7033 on: October 03, 2024, 07:04:36 AM »
Do the new spanky trucks come with hard bushings? I have an extra set of hard and they feel exactly the same. Just curious

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7034 on: October 03, 2024, 09:38:59 AM »
I went back to Ace Classics after skating Slappys this summer. They felt like home and while I liked Slappys very much, Classics can't be beat. I personally dont like Af1s that much. Classics have more of that magic I like.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7035 on: October 03, 2024, 10:49:00 AM »
Do the new spanky trucks come with hard bushings? I have an extra set of hard and they feel exactly the same. Just curious

Not 100% sure but some sites say top is 91a and bottom 86a.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7036 on: October 03, 2024, 05:47:45 PM »
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Do the new spanky trucks come with hard bushings? I have an extra set of hard and they feel exactly the same. Just curious
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Not 100% sure but some sites say top is 91a and bottom 86a.
Yes, the hardness and dimensions of the bushings in this truck are specified on the Ace website
https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-af1-limited-hollowed-kevin-spanky-long-44

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7037 on: October 04, 2024, 08:12:10 AM »
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Do the new spanky trucks come with hard bushings? I have an extra set of hard and they feel exactly the same. Just curious
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Not 100% sure but some sites say top is 91a and bottom 86a.
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Yes, the hardness and dimensions of the bushings in this truck are specified on the Ace website
https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-af1-limited-hollowed-kevin-spanky-long-44
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7038 on: October 05, 2024, 11:06:23 AM »
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Do the new spanky trucks come with hard bushings? I have an extra set of hard and they feel exactly the same. Just curious
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Not 100% sure but some sites say top is 91a and bottom 86a.
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Yes, the hardness and dimensions of the bushings in this truck are specified on the Ace website
https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-af1-limited-hollowed-kevin-spanky-long-44
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JFC, if "doing the most" was a truck. Now all they gotta do is invert them  ;D

This is the stock durometer of af1 bushings.

https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/copy-of-ace-hard-bushings

Aces have always come stock with bushings that are different duro top/bottoms iirc.

The hards however are 94a top and bottom

https://mesaskatesupply.com/products/ace-hard-bushings?pr_prod_strat=e5_desc&pr_rec_id=dff7a7174&pr_rec_pid=6875101691963&pr_ref_pid=6875101659195&pr_seq=uniform

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7039 on: October 06, 2024, 12:20:13 AM »
I held the new spanky trucks at my local yesterday and all the Ace logos that repeat themselves underneath the baseplate in the actual mold have like a deeper carving to them which is part of the whole weight reduction feature, I guess. Also, they did seem thinner, like they're forged.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7040 on: October 10, 2024, 10:32:54 AM »
When I switched from thunder to Indy, my pop and scoop tricks all got fucked until I got used to it. But I wanted to see if the wheelbase change made certain tricks easier (it didn’t).

Now I refuse to switch back because I don’t want to adjust again cause having to adjust to shit when you have limited time to skate sucks.

That said, aces are kinda calling to me. I figure the adjustment from Indy to ace wont be as drastic as thunder to Indy so maybe it won’t hurt as bad. Anybody got experience with this? Thoughts?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7041 on: October 10, 2024, 02:15:20 PM »
When I switched from thunder to Indy, my pop and scoop tricks all got fucked until I got used to it. But I wanted to see if the wheelbase change made certain tricks easier (it didn’t).

Now I refuse to switch back because I don’t want to adjust again cause having to adjust to shit when you have limited time to skate sucks.

That said, aces are kinda calling to me. I figure the adjustment from Indy to ace wont be as drastic as thunder to Indy so maybe it won’t hurt as bad. Anybody got experience with this? Thoughts?
I also did the Thunder > Indy > Ace transition over a period of a few years and had the same experience as you. The Indy > Ace transition was virtually seamless. Fear not.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7042 on: October 10, 2024, 06:07:06 PM »
When I switched from thunder to Indy, my pop and scoop tricks all got fucked until I got used to it. But I wanted to see if the wheelbase change made certain tricks easier (it didn’t).

Now I refuse to switch back because I don’t want to adjust again cause having to adjust to shit when you have limited time to skate sucks.

That said, aces are kinda calling to me. I figure the adjustment from Indy to ace wont be as drastic as thunder to Indy so maybe it won’t hurt as bad. Anybody got experience with this? Thoughts?

I’ve gone Thunder to Ace recently and I was worried about the adjustment, but it’s been fine. For me it was trading away some easiness on flip tricks and ledge skating for a skateboard that is more fun to ride and grinds that feel smoother. Also probably worth noting that Ace are closer to the height of Thunders than Indy are

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7043 on: October 10, 2024, 07:18:18 PM »
When I switched from thunder to Indy, my pop and scoop tricks all got fucked until I got used to it. But I wanted to see if the wheelbase change made certain tricks easier (it didn’t).

Now I refuse to switch back because I don’t want to adjust again cause having to adjust to shit when you have limited time to skate sucks.

That said, aces are kinda calling to me. I figure the adjustment from Indy to ace wont be as drastic as thunder to Indy so maybe it won’t hurt as bad. Anybody got experience with this? Thoughts?

You’ll have a lot more fun on Ace. That’s the only difference you’ll notice

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7044 on: October 11, 2024, 11:10:23 AM »
switched from ace to thunder recently. i appreciate the stability of thunders but my flip and scoop gotten pretty weak. 

aces to me require my shoulders, knees and back to exaggerate towards the tail. compared to thunders where the lean is emphasized on leaning back on your heels while keeping straight. i miss that and prolly switch back to aces again

edit: ignore this. just yapping to convince myself to switch back to ace
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7045 on: October 12, 2024, 02:38:27 AM »
switched from ace to thunder recently. i appreciate the stability of thunders but my flip and scoop gotten pretty weak. 

aces to me require my shoulders, knees and back to exaggerate towards the tail. compared to thunders where the lean is emphasized on leaning back on your heels while keeping straight. i miss that and prolly switch back to aces again

edit: ignore this. just yapping to convince myself to switch back to ace
Go back to Ace. I tried Thunder months ago and it was a waste of time and money.
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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7046 on: October 12, 2024, 06:01:05 PM »
Ok ok ok…but what about Indy standard to ace LOWs? Am I just asking for pain? I was skating the forged Indys for a few months and then swapped my baseplate for a standard one, and have been chilling on that with no complaints.

What’s the deal with low trucks anyways? Just a preference thing or are there legit benefits?

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« Reply #7047 on: October 13, 2024, 05:40:04 AM »
Ok ok ok…but what about Indy standard to ace LOWs? Am I just asking for pain? I was skating the forged Indys for a few months and then swapped my baseplate for a standard one, and have been chilling on that with no complaints.

What’s the deal with low trucks anyways? Just a preference thing or are there legit benefits?

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7048 on: October 13, 2024, 03:20:42 PM »
Ok ok ok…but what about Indy standard to ace LOWs? Am I just asking for pain? I was skating the forged Indys for a few months and then swapped my baseplate for a standard one, and have been chilling on that with no complaints.

What’s the deal with low trucks anyways? Just a preference thing or are there legit benefits?

Sorry y’all, I’m walking the line between madness and “don’t try stuff so you don’t know how other stuff feels”.


Without going into details of exact heights, you would be going from almost the tallest truck to almost the lowest truck on the scale.

Indy cast baseplates that make the truck 55 mm tall, compared to Indy forged baseplates coming in at 53.5 mm tall is almost nothing compared to any low truck variant.  Going to an Indy Mid at 52 mm tall would be a better jump down in overall height, than going to a low truck.  That difference is in the hanger height, as was the Indy low truck, which was still on the same baseplates, only a lower kingpin and different hangers, which was around 50 mm tall all up.

The interesting thing with Ace is the height difference actually happens in the baseplates, so the hangers are all the same, with the Ace low baseplate being lower than their normal baseplate.  Where you put the bolts in is the same height, just the kingpin and pivot mounting areas, to give you more of an idea, compared to actually showing some in person / in pics.  That is my understanding anyway.


I haven't skated any Ace low trucks, but I have had Indy low, Thunder low (from back when they made low trucks) and still have some Venture Low trucks on boards, so for me the main thing is the pop is way quicker as the end of the kicks are closer to the ground and the turn is significantly less as the wheel is closer to the deck.

If you like lower boards, quicker pop, less turn, or a more tech type of skating in general, then any low truck might be just what you are after, but if you are good with the current height of your trucks or like a little more turn, then going to a low truck might not be such a good option and getting a normal height Ace truck might be more the way to go, if you want to get some Ace trucks.


Hope that helps.

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Re: Ace trucks
« Reply #7049 on: October 15, 2024, 08:04:19 AM »
@Mbrimson88 dude, thanks!

I have no idea what low trucks feel like personally so I'm sure I'd probably be better off just not even trying them so as to not stir shit up and mess with my already-bad skating. That said I was wondering, in your experience, have you found any tricks to come easier/harder on low trucks? I'm not subscribing to the foolish thought that gear will unlock tricks for me but I have noticed that changing shoulder position, balance, points of the tail/nose where I pop, etc all have different effects on how my tricks come along (or go). Sometimes one foot placement shift can be the make or break for a trick I'm stuck trying to learn.

Has lower trucks helped you figure out any tricks, techniques (or lack thereof), etc in your skating?