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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10650 on: November 19, 2021, 06:49:43 AM »
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IĎve been riding Indy 144s since my comeback mostly on 8.5 decks. The 144s are soon needing to be replaced so I wondered if I should upsize to 149s Indies or Lurpivs but I wonder if it will mess with my flick. What do you recon?
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Wider trucks are harder to flick, as a function of great leverage. 149 trucks fit 8.50 a little more comfortably than 144s, but if you find the 144s comfortable and easy to flick, and the size isnít otherwise effecting your skating, a wider truck is not going to improve that.

Ok thanks, I imagined something like thisÖ I would hate to lose my flips that I have been working on so hard.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10651 on: November 19, 2021, 07:16:54 AM »
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IĎve been riding Indy 144s since my comeback mostly on 8.5 decks. The 144s are soon needing to be replaced so I wondered if I should upsize to 149s Indies or Lurpivs but I wonder if it will mess with my flick. What do you recon?
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Wider trucks are harder to flick, as a function of great leverage. 149 trucks fit 8.50 a little more comfortably than 144s, but if you find the 144s comfortable and easy to flick, and the size isnít otherwise effecting your skating, a wider truck is not going to improve that.


Agree with wider trucks being harder to flick.
As Iíve gotten older, I skate better/longer, on smaller setups.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10652 on: November 19, 2021, 09:56:25 AM »
On paper a wide truck is harder to flick off of and I definitely notice that too. But personally for some tricks it actually works out better. Backside flips I tend to overflip so the wider trucks almost make them more controlled and folded. Similar thing with fakie flips. Switch flips feel a little more stable when setting up so end result is they work better too. Some tricks do suffer for sure though, sw tres, sw bs flips, fs flips etc.

I'd say generally its a bit worse for tricks you don't fully have or are trying to learn.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10653 on: November 19, 2021, 11:54:42 AM »
Sipped axle on my old indyís ( I mean very old, unavoidable really.) and I feel as though an extra washer or two per wheel with race reds/any company who does that spacer-embedded thing would fix this. Or JB weld the small part of the axle that is visible behind the kingpin nut/top washer.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10654 on: November 19, 2021, 05:37:04 PM »
Sipped axle on my old indyís ( I mean very old, unavoidable really.) and I feel as though an extra washer or two per wheel with race reds/any company who does that spacer-embedded thing would fix this. Or JB weld the small part of the axle that is visible behind the kingpin nut/top washer.
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The "locked in with something" axles are the best option for not having to do too much else, but anything you do there might get knocked loose again with constant use.

Having Race Reds and washers as you said should stop the axle slip stopping the wheels from spinning freely, as well as the easiest solution long term, if you intend to skate them on a normal setup.


I know older trucks with axle slip tend to be easier as cruisers, or on setups that don't get a whole lot of axle hits, be it from flip tricks or skating normally and just having the board hitting things, so for me wider wheels and keeping them going on cruisers is the better alternative.  Given how well old Indy trucks turn, it is a good solution for me, but I know not everyone has too much stuff to be able to mix and match at will.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10655 on: November 19, 2021, 08:04:06 PM »
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Sipped axle on my old indyís ( I mean very old, unavoidable really.) and I feel as though an extra washer or two per wheel with race reds/any company who does that spacer-embedded thing would fix this. Or JB weld the small part of the axle that is visible behind the kingpin nut/top washer.
Thoughts?
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The "locked in with something" axles are the best option for not having to do too much else, but anything you do there might get knocked loose again with constant use.

Having Race Reds and washers as you said should stop the axle slip stopping the wheels from spinning freely, as well as the easiest solution long term, if you intend to skate them on a normal setup.


I know older trucks with axle slip tend to be easier as cruisers, or on setups that don't get a whole lot of axle hits, be it from flip tricks or skating normally and just having the board hitting things, so for me wider wheels and keeping them going on cruisers is the better alternative.  Given how well old Indy trucks turn, it is a good solution for me, but I know not everyone has too much stuff to be able to mix and match at will.
Thank you! I feel like an idiot having to repetitively tap the axles. I'm trying to make a ditch/atv board, need to find the perfect bushing combo though. I've seen the old ones and they looked huge.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10656 on: November 20, 2021, 07:37:21 AM »
I had bad axel slip for years and so I now run the race red no rattle set up...I haven't had slippage since but I'm not fully convinced it totally works....I think trucks have for the most part gotten better.  It might be worth a shot though....the one pitfall I had was that a lot of companies have wonky cores....I've had the most success with bones....the set up makes your board go from sounding like a muscle car to a Nissan Leaf.... Which isn't for everyone....

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10657 on: November 27, 2021, 09:18:36 AM »


Ti 159's on the inverted baseplates with Ace bushings, Array sleeved bottom washers and Ti kingpins 8)

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10658 on: November 27, 2021, 09:22:57 AM »
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Where'd you get the fancy KP and washers?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10659 on: November 27, 2021, 09:27:42 AM »
Washers from Muir skate. Kingpins from an online auto parts store that I forgot the name of...

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10660 on: November 27, 2021, 12:09:01 PM »


Ti 159's on the inverted baseplates with Ace bushings, Array sleeved bottom washers and Ti kingpins 8)

Thatís sexy, I need to try this setup. I was really happy with the Indy orange conical bushings for a few days, then they firmed up. I ended up putting  my Aces back on.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10661 on: November 28, 2021, 11:50:57 AM »


Ti 159's on the inverted baseplates with Ace bushings, Array sleeved bottom washers and Ti kingpins 8)

I don't even fuck with indy's like that but this some serious heat

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10662 on: November 28, 2021, 01:04:39 PM »
Just replaced my Indy forged baseplates with the Indy IKP baseplates out of curiosity. Initial impressions are that I need to get used to a taller truck again and I hate not seeing the flush kingpin nut, but the turn feels so much deeper and sharper. I literally canít wheelbite ~55mm conical fulls with what I believe to be medium-loose blue 92A cylinders and me being 165 lbs.

Does the Indy IKP baseplate actually change the turn relative to the standard baseplates? I know in my case Iím going from forged (53.5mm high) to IKP/cast (55mm high), so thereís no doubt a change there, but they feel more Ace-like now than I remember my old Indy standards feeling.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10663 on: November 28, 2021, 06:18:53 PM »
If people want to replace their kingpin with a titanium panhead bolt of some sort, you want to find 3/8-24 x 2" UNF hardware. Most of this stuff is automotive. Here are some options. If anyone wants to take the plunge and tell us what works, that'd be cool. There are probably some Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals out there.

Allen:
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Titanium-Seat-Bolt-3-8-24-Thread-x-2-Inch,34338.html

Unspecified 6-point wrench size:
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Fine-Thread-Titanium-Bolt-3-8-24-x-2-Inch,33314.html

9/16" wrench size:
https://www.ti64.com/product-p/6076.htm

5/32"/5.5mm Allen:
https://www.ti64.com/product-p/6124.htm
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10664 on: November 29, 2021, 03:02:11 AM »
Just replaced my Indy forged baseplates with the Indy IKP baseplates out of curiosity. Initial impressions are that I need to get used to a taller truck again and I hate not seeing the flush kingpin nut, but the turn feels so much deeper and sharper. I literally canít wheelbite ~55mm conical fulls with what I believe to be medium-loose blue 92A cylinders and me being 165 lbs.

Does the Indy IKP baseplate actually change the turn relative to the standard baseplates? I know in my case Iím going from forged (53.5mm high) to IKP/cast (55mm high), so thereís no doubt a change there, but they feel more Ace-like now than I remember my old Indy standards feeling.


I feel like the inverted kingpin baseplate works the same way as the standard baseplate, the only difference being you can't easily see how far down the nut is, which is a bit weird, but I think they still turn the same overall.

If you do the inverted kingpin right up so it is as deep in as it can go, then turn a full turn back, that should be the same height as a nut flush with the top of a normal kingpin.

You might find the trucks are tighter than normal like that, or that they are looser right now than what you had them before, but it is crazy how much 1.5 mm height difference means to wheelbite, or lack of it.

Curious to hear how they feel, or how much you loosen them off from tight in as well, but I would also mark the kingpin heads (just a dot with a black marker or something on one side) and keep an eye on it to see if it loosens off by itself at all, as they are prone to do, so said a number of people I know.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10665 on: November 29, 2021, 08:04:41 AM »
If people want to replace their kingpin with a titanium panhead bolt of some sort, you want to find 3/8-24 x 2" UNF hardware. Most of this stuff is automotive. Here are some options. If anyone wants to take the plunge and tell us what works, that'd be cool. There are probably some Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals out there.

Allen:
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Titanium-Seat-Bolt-3-8-24-Thread-x-2-Inch,34338.html

Unspecified 6-point wrench size:
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Fine-Thread-Titanium-Bolt-3-8-24-x-2-Inch,33314.html

9/16" wrench size:
https://www.ti64.com/product-p/6076.htm

5/32"/5.5mm Allen:
https://www.ti64.com/product-p/6124.htm

The only Ti bolts worth buying are the first one you listed on Speedway Motors. Unfortunately, the threads on the other bolts will extend up through the hole in the baseplate which will eat into your kingpin hole. Your trucks will get sloppy and won't snap back to center well.

Heavier people seem to have issues with IKPs, my guess as to why; standard bottom bushing cups have a lot of play. I feel a sleeved washer that fits snug around the kingpin like @logjammin is using helps to elevate the issue. At least in my experience it solved the issue, but I only weigh ~140 pounds, and I don't jump down big shit.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10666 on: November 30, 2021, 12:56:16 PM »


Ti 159's on the inverted baseplates with Ace bushings, Array sleeved bottom washers and Ti kingpins 8)

Yeah, booooy!

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10667 on: November 30, 2021, 02:36:14 PM »
You have to run Ace bottom/tops with that Ti kingpin though, anything shorter and you have to tighten it down all the way and then you can still turn your bushings with your fingers because they're not secure. I then tried Bones bottoms/tops with no washers and it works, but I think it's gonna result in the kingpin breaking because it's equivalent to having a normal kingpin and cranking the nut down a fuckton like a n00b and then it snaps. Or maybe I'm wrong?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10668 on: November 30, 2021, 05:02:26 PM »
You have to run Ace bottom/tops with that Ti kingpin though, anything shorter and you have to tighten it down all the way and then you can still turn your bushings with your fingers because they're not secure. I then tried Bones bottoms/tops with no washers and it works, but I think it's gonna result in the kingpin breaking because it's equivalent to having a normal kingpin and cranking the nut down a fuckton like a n00b and then it snaps. Or maybe I'm wrong?

I'd be impressed if you snapped a Ti pin. Keep at it!

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10669 on: November 30, 2021, 05:53:23 PM »
Haha, 235lbs and love loose trucks, it's definitely possible.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10670 on: November 30, 2021, 06:38:06 PM »
Threw some Krux inverted kingpins in a pair of Indy inverted kingpin plates and they felt way too loose. Even all the way down. I have some Kreeper kingpins, would those feel better?
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10671 on: November 30, 2021, 06:51:03 PM »
Krepers are the heaviest option but yeah, they have the most threads and will secure everything nicely. I found the OG Krux kingpins to make the trucks perform weird.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10672 on: December 01, 2021, 02:00:51 PM »
The original Krux downlow kingpins with the goofy washer do feel different. I think itís because the washer doesnít make much contact with the top bushing. The feel either got better or I got used to it after a couple sessions.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10673 on: December 01, 2021, 05:30:15 PM »
Krepers are the heaviest option but yeah, they have the most threads and will secure everything nicely. I found the OG Krux kingpins to make the trucks perform weird.

The first gen Krux Downlow on Ace Classics bottomed out at like "Max Palmer loose". The Kreper kingpin is a meaty boy but yeah, the extra threads made all the difference.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10674 on: December 05, 2021, 01:00:45 PM »
What trucks have the best pop?

Long story short: I put some ~51mm spitfire classics back on my board after months of much bigger wheels and randomly got my pop back on an obstacle I thought i'd lost the ability to ollie. I don't understand this at all. I'm on aces currently (classic 44) and want to find the trucks with the best pop for 8.25 - 8.5 decks. Especially looking for good pop on a pure street setup.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10675 on: December 05, 2021, 01:09:31 PM »
What trucks have the best pop?

Long story short: I put some ~51mm spitfire classics back on my board after months of much bigger wheels and randomly got my pop back on an obstacle I thought i'd lost the ability to ollie. I don't understand this at all. I'm on aces currently (classic 44) and want to find the trucks with the best pop for 8.25 - 8.5 decks. Especially looking for good pop on a pure street setup.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10676 on: December 05, 2021, 01:11:17 PM »
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What trucks have the best pop?

Long story short: I put some ~51mm spitfire classics back on my board after months of much bigger wheels and randomly got my pop back on an obstacle I thought i'd lost the ability to ollie. I don't understand this at all. I'm on aces currently (classic 44) and want to find the trucks with the best pop for 8.25 - 8.5 decks. Especially looking for good pop on a pure street setup.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10677 on: December 06, 2021, 01:11:48 PM »
Is it worth the time and effort to lubricate pivot cups/bushings with soap or wax shavings to eliminate squeaking? Or will it just come back in a week

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10678 on: December 06, 2021, 01:38:23 PM »
Is it worth the time and effort to lubricate pivot cups/bushings with soap or wax shavings to eliminate squeaking? Or will it just come back in a week

i put some gulf wax in my pivot cups and it's been months. a little bit of noise but nothing like before. ymmv though

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #10679 on: December 07, 2021, 06:33:07 AM »
I buy bricks of paraffin wax from the crafts store and dig a razor blade in and get some mountains of wax slivers and pour it into the pivot cups, then i rub both sides of my bushings on the wax and squeaking stays away for several months.