Truck set-ups

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[rocklobster]

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Hardware store inverted kingpin experiment. Cheap, available, no shops around have the Krux kit. Used the thicker clay type JB Weld to hold the nut in the baseplate. The whole bolt wobbles slightly when turning the trucks by hand so it could be better but has been working fine for a month. Had a few sessions before filing the bolt head down. Ace 55 classics and stock bushings.

https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY

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Hardware store inverted kingpin experiment. Cheap, available, no shops around have the Krux kit. Used the thicker clay type JB Weld to hold the nut in the baseplate. The whole bolt wobbles slightly when turning the trucks by hand so it could be better but has been working fine for a month. Had a few sessions before filing the bolt head down. Ace 55 classics and stock bushings.

https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY

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[El Freegano]

Hey pals,  I am looking for new trucks to be skated street only, ledges, manuals, small stairs 5-6 and flat. I have a pair of film and they turn and grind great but i feel them a bit high for my short legs. I also have a pair of the old royal lows, but the kingpin is sticking out and sometimes i do have wheelbite (i am skating 53 wheels). I saw some good review on the new royals and now i am in dilema between thunder 147 and the royal 139 (may be the standart kingpin, coz if the inverted breaks i will not be able to find such kingpin to replace it) What would you suggest?

[Xen]

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Hardware store inverted kingpin experiment. Cheap, available, no shops around have the Krux kit. Used the thicker clay type JB Weld to hold the nut in the baseplate. The whole bolt wobbles slightly when turning the trucks by hand so it could be better but has been working fine for a month. Had a few sessions before filing the bolt head down. Ace 55 classics and stock bushings.

https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY

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Hardware store inverted kingpin experiment. Cheap, available, no shops around have the Krux kit. Used the thicker clay type JB Weld to hold the nut in the baseplate. The whole bolt wobbles slightly when turning the trucks by hand so it could be better but has been working fine for a month. Had a few sessions before filing the bolt head down. Ace 55 classics and stock bushings.

https://imgur.com/a/fCJlxsY

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Me until about a month ago….

[Xen]

Hey pals,  I am looking for new trucks to be skated street only, ledges, manuals, small stairs 5-6 and flat. I have a pair of film and they turn and grind great but i feel them a bit high for my short legs. I also have a pair of the old royal lows, but the kingpin is sticking out and sometimes i do have wheelbite (i am skating 53 wheels). I saw some good review on the new royals and now i am in dilema between thunder 147 and the royal 139 (may be the standart kingpin, coz if the inverted breaks i will not be able to find such kingpin to replace it) What would you suggest?

Every single truck out there would work.

At 53mm wheel size (is that all you skate, all time?) I’d go for cast plates.

Question is do you like to turn, ride loose or tight?

Ride tight: venture or thunder
Loose: indy mids or forged, new royals (which can be had with standard pins).

Can’t go wrong with any of them.

[El Freegano]

Thanks, Xen! I haven't skated thunders, but the team and the brand itself are dope. The specs look good except the kingpin clearance and the baseplate positioning. The royals look a bit more functional to me, 52 mm, good kingpin clearance and baseplate positioning, my only concern is the brand. I am used to slide with the baseplate. I have been mostly on ventures, but this year decided to try film and a homie gave me his royal lows. I was pleasantly surprised by the royals, coz i had 2 pairs in the early 2000s that broke quite fast. The lows are super for flip tricks and manuals. But as i said the kingpin is hanging a lot and i have to skate wheels smaller than 52, which i like but i usually buy wheels at 53-54 so i can skate them longer. Damn, i have to decide before the Christmas sales finish.

[animalflesh]

Glass slipper setup



159 cast hollow
Bones mediums (black seem a little denser than white)
Riptide pivots
1/8 riser

[big_kev_215]

Shoutout Riptide keeping our trucks from squeaking and also spreading holiday cheer

[MysticalTypeExperience]

Glass slipper setup



159 cast hollow
Bones mediums (black seem a little denser than white)
Riptide pivots
1/8 riser

I thought that Coda series was pretty sweet. Reminds me of Redwall and shit

[Xen]

Thanks, Xen! I haven't skated thunders, but the team and the brand itself are dope. The specs look good except the kingpin clearance and the baseplate positioning. The royals look a bit more functional to me, 52 mm, good kingpin clearance and baseplate positioning, my only concern is the brand. I am used to slide with the baseplate. I have been mostly on ventures, but this year decided to try film and a homie gave me his royal lows. I was pleasantly surprised by the royals, coz i had 2 pairs in the early 2000s that broke quite fast. The lows are super for flip tricks and manuals. But as i said the kingpin is hanging a lot and i have to skate wheels smaller than 52, which i like but i usually buy wheels at 53-54 so i can skate them longer. Damn, i have to decide before the Christmas sales finish.

I'm currently skating the new Royals (never skated the brand prior and I don't subscribe to brand loyalty but to does it meet my pre-reqs) and they're really doing it for me. Important to note that I've left them stock...and I tend to fuck with my truck setups usually.

I love Thunders for pop-feel and height and weight, but loathe the wheelbite I get (I ride loose). Indy/ACE/ML/THEEVE/Tensor ATGs...all turn great..some are heavier, some are too tall, etc., the royals, for me, combine everything I like: mid truck, low/light pop feel, pretty light for a 'standard' and stable like a thunder and venture but turn better....not as deep as ACE or as wide arcing as Indy but if you ever wanted a smoother thunder or a venture that turns instead of having to lean, you will be very surprised...

Also, zero QC issues. At all.

RE: the bones bushing 'denser' comment, FWIW, I've always felt that the black bushings were superior in terms of break-in, over all feel and longevity.

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[rocklobster]

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Thanks, Xen! I haven't skated thunders, but the team and the brand itself are dope. The specs look good except the kingpin clearance and the baseplate positioning. The royals look a bit more functional to me, 52 mm, good kingpin clearance and baseplate positioning, my only concern is the brand. I am used to slide with the baseplate. I have been mostly on ventures, but this year decided to try film and a homie gave me his royal lows. I was pleasantly surprised by the royals, coz i had 2 pairs in the early 2000s that broke quite fast. The lows are super for flip tricks and manuals. But as i said the kingpin is hanging a lot and i have to skate wheels smaller than 52, which i like but i usually buy wheels at 53-54 so i can skate them longer. Damn, i have to decide before the Christmas sales finish.

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I'm currently skating the new Royals (never skated the brand prior and I don't subscribe to brand loyalty but to does it meet my pre-reqs) and they're really doing it for me. Important to note that I've left them stock...and I tend to fuck with my truck setups usually.

I love Thunders for pop-feel and height and weight, but loathe the wheelbite I get (I ride loose). Indy/ACE/ML/THEEVE/Tensor ATGs...all turn great..some are heavier, some are too tall, etc., the royals, for me, combine everything I like: mid truck, low/light pop feel, pretty light for a 'standard' and stable like a thunder and venture but turn better....not as deep as ACE or as wide arcing as Indy but if you ever wanted a smoother thunder or a venture that turns instead of having to lean, you will be very surprised...

Also, zero QC issues. At all.

RE: the bones bushing 'denser' comment, FWIW, I've always felt that the black bushings were superior in terms of break-in, over all feel and longevity.

OK wheelbite wasn't just me then even on my 51mm wheels. Everything else about the trucks are great, really impressed with the turn and pop feel.

[ImmanuelCunt]

Anybody ever used a torque wrench for tightening the trucks? What id the order of magnitude of moment which is typical for tightening a kingpin? I am thinking of buying a wrench but I don't know the Nm range which would be suitable. I touched my kingpin and now I can't get my trucks feeling equal again (especially when they harden up a bit in cold weather) and it drives me insane and this might give me peace of mind.

[manysnakes]

Anybody ever used a torque wrench for tightening the trucks? What id the order of magnitude of moment which is typical for tightening a kingpin? I am thinking of buying a wrench but I don't know the Nm range which would be suitable. I touched my kingpin and now I can't get my trucks feeling equal again (especially when they harden up a bit in cold weather) and it drives me insane and this might give me peace of mind.

It couldn’t hurt to establish a baseline, but my feeling is that the bushings distort and change the feel of trucks so quickly that the measurements might not be useful for long.

[mzlzzz]

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Anybody ever used a torque wrench for tightening the trucks? What id the order of magnitude of moment which is typical for tightening a kingpin? I am thinking of buying a wrench but I don't know the Nm range which would be suitable. I touched my kingpin and now I can't get my trucks feeling equal again (especially when they harden up a bit in cold weather) and it drives me insane and this might give me peace of mind.

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It couldn’t hurt to establish a baseline, but my feeling is that the bushings distort and change the feel of trucks so quickly that the measurements might not be useful for long.

since you have two factors contributing to the amount of force to turn the nut, you will likely not get meaningful results out of the repeatability offered.

1. On a conventional kingpin, damaged threads will require more force to turn the nut
2. Over time the bushings will deteriorate. When using the torque wrench, the reaction force from this will result in repeatable reads on the wrench, but this is also misleading because it is a Static event. If there are tears in the bushing, the force it can return to the hangar will vary due to the change in structure. The turn/lean is a dynamic event and the bushing may behave differently in a turn, even if it is subject to the same amount of dynamic compression indicated by the torque wrench.

The best way to get consistency out of trucks to skate stuff that is new, and set up the same way.

One thing I've found that really speeds this up, to where the truck feels identical to the previous broken in pair, is to disassemble the truck, clean all of the parts of the manufacturing lubricant, and reassemble with whatever you want.

I would also recommend doing this to replacement urethane bushings to remove the mold-release agent.

Cheers

[ImmanuelCunt]

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Thanks for the explanation. The dynamic of the process and bushing detoration sounds very reasonable. Just want to clarify that I am not looking for 2 different pair of trucks feeling identical but for equalizing 2 trucks of the same pair because I ride twin tails. By loosening the trucks I fucked up the symmetry in turn and I am unable to reestablish that. I guess I have to bite the bullet and buy a new pair of bushings instead of a 100 euro wrench.

On second thoughts, if I read your post right, I could justify buying both if I additionally buy a new kingpin (even better an inverted one as an investment in the future), to establish an identical starting point for both trucks with new bushings^^

[goodatmeth]

Random german skateshop just hit me with the most amazing product for inverted kingpins. Anybody have it already?

https://www.skateshop24.de/10-reverse-kingpin-nuts-14mm-fixed-14

[MaXX_I-D]

Random german skateshop just hit me with the most amazing product for inverted kingpins. Anybody have it already?

https://www.skateshop24.de/10-reverse-kingpin-nuts-14mm-fixed-14

It took me about 15 minutes to understand what these were. I felt very stupid.

[rocklobster]

Someone explain this to my friend, who totally isn't me.

[goodatmeth]

Someone explain this to my friend, who totally isn't me.

You hammer it in like a normal kingpin, but it's just a nut that holds your inverse kingpin.

No need for jb weld or any of that. It's basically like the "shaft nut" in indy mids

[logjammin]

Random german skateshop just hit me with the most amazing product for inverted kingpins. Anybody have it already?

https://www.skateshop24.de/10-reverse-kingpin-nuts-14mm-fixed-14

Woah. Wonder if these could be found in the US at the hardware store? But how can they be hammered in without damaging the end of the nut....

[goodatmeth]

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You hammer it in like a normal kingpin, but it's just a nut that holds your inverse kingpin.

No need for jb weld or any of that. It's basically like the "shaft nut" in indy mids

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Wouldn't you have to bore the baseplate hole out, or use a shouldered bolt like Lurpiv trucks do? I don't see how it's possible as the threads of a kingpin are fairly flush when sitting in the baseplate hole. There's no room for extra material. No?

You are absolutely right and now I'm really confused

[listentoaheartbeat]

Random german skateshop just hit me with the most amazing product for inverted kingpins. Anybody have it already?

https://www.skateshop24.de/10-reverse-kingpin-nuts-14mm-fixed-14

This shop (actually, mailorder with pickup option) is a five min bike ride from where I live. And I have a set of 169s with loose kingpins I could try these things out on. Will report back if I go for it.

[Mbrimson88]

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You hammer it in like a normal kingpin, but it's just a nut that holds your inverse kingpin.

No need for jb weld or any of that. It's basically like the "shaft nut" in indy mids

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Wouldn't you have to bore the baseplate hole out, or use a shouldered bolt like Lurpiv trucks do? I don't see how it's possible as the threads of a kingpin are fairly flush when sitting in the baseplate hole. There's no room for extra material. No?

Yes I thought the same thing.

I had seen them before when looking at generic hardware options for boxes of axle and kingpin nuts, but in looking at the Indy reverse kingpin, the hole is larger than a normal kingpin hole, so I didn't go past just looking at the shape of them.

Always curious though, so if anyone wanted to get them and let everyone else know, that would be a good starting point.

[beandemon]

Those insert kingpin nuts are interesting. I think the technical term for them would be a splined sleeve nut, but the hex portion and nyloc are fairly unique. If the size is close, you could use a socket to hold the hex and another wrench on the kp to “draw” them into the baseplate. If there’s not enough room to hold the hex, you could put in a kp backwards for pounding duty.

[manysnakes]

Random german skateshop just hit me with the most amazing product for inverted kingpins. Anybody have it already?

https://www.skateshop24.de/10-reverse-kingpin-nuts-14mm-fixed-14

Goddamn that's a good idea. In all my years professionally scanning McMaster-Carr and Tacoma Screw catalogs, I never saw anything like this, so I think it's safe to assume that it's custom made. I want a few bags of these.

[beandemon]

Anybody ever used a torque wrench for tightening the trucks? What id the order of magnitude of moment which is typical for tightening a kingpin? I am thinking of buying a wrench but I don't know the Nm range which would be suitable. I touched my kingpin and now I can't get my trucks feeling equal again (especially when they harden up a bit in cold weather) and it drives me insane and this might give me peace of mind.

Here’s a systematic way to get your trucks even:
With your board stationary on the ground, step on one edge at the midpoint of your board. Whichever wheel comes up first - that’s the tighter truck. If the wheels bite before coming off the ground, then whichever bites last.  Mark the location of one of the points of that truck’s kingpin nut on the hanger with a sharpie dot. The dot goes on the hanger, not nut. This is a fixed point to use as a reference.  Loosen one point at a time -turn the nut counterclockwise until the next point of the hex aligns with your mark-until the trucks are even. Tighten/loosen both trucks to taste by using the same technique to adjust each truck the same number of points of the hex relative to a fixed point.
Versions of this technique are used in various applications. I think I first learned it servicing hydraulic fittings that called for tightening “‘x’ number ‘ffft’” - flats from finger right.

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[Xen]

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Thanks, Xen! I haven't skated thunders, but the team and the brand itself are dope. The specs look good except the kingpin clearance and the baseplate positioning. The royals look a bit more functional to me, 52 mm, good kingpin clearance and baseplate positioning, my only concern is the brand. I am used to slide with the baseplate. I have been mostly on ventures, but this year decided to try film and a homie gave me his royal lows. I was pleasantly surprised by the royals, coz i had 2 pairs in the early 2000s that broke quite fast. The lows are super for flip tricks and manuals. But as i said the kingpin is hanging a lot and i have to skate wheels smaller than 52, which i like but i usually buy wheels at 53-54 so i can skate them longer. Damn, i have to decide before the Christmas sales finish.

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I'm currently skating the new Royals (never skated the brand prior and I don't subscribe to brand loyalty but to does it meet my pre-reqs) and they're really doing it for me. Important to note that I've left them stock...and I tend to fuck with my truck setups usually.

I love Thunders for pop-feel and height and weight, but loathe the wheelbite I get (I ride loose). Indy/ACE/ML/THEEVE/Tensor ATGs...all turn great..some are heavier, some are too tall, etc., the royals, for me, combine everything I like: mid truck, low/light pop feel, pretty light for a 'standard' and stable like a thunder and venture but turn better....not as deep as ACE or as wide arcing as Indy but if you ever wanted a smoother thunder or a venture that turns instead of having to lean, you will be very surprised...

Also, zero QC issues. At all.

RE: the bones bushing 'denser' comment, FWIW, I've always felt that the black bushings were superior in terms of break-in, over all feel and longevity.

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OK wheelbite wasn't just me then even on my 51mm wheels. Everything else about the trucks are great, really impressed with the turn and pop feel.

I don't have WB issues with the royals (51ish), my comment was referencing Thunders.

[DaSk8D00D]

Been skating some Venture 5.6 Ti's for a few months now w/ the the stock clear bushings and they're like the perfect truck for me all around. Light and nimble for flip tricks but stable and way less wheelbitey on hard landings

I did add riptide pivot cups and Titanium hardware, kingpin, and axle nuts just to mix/max everything even more.

Only thing that has me tripping is that one of the bushings is fraying alot while the other one isn't
I've skated these exclusively with twin tail decks where I match up the truck tightness so I'm unsure why one has so much more wear on it than the other. Both sides feel the same when I skate them though. It's really just the aesthetics that bug me. I'm pretty sure I spun it around you couldn't see the split side like a week ago, but it's either slowly rotated back or split all the way around. I would actually prefer not to replace these because I think the clear bushings are sick

[braksabbath]

Is the washer cutting into it? Replace it with a flat washer