Truck set-ups

[Sativa Lung]

venture stock bushings are 90a
agree with everything else though

They're not. They're around 94a. I emailed them about this around 2 years ago. I can find it and post the response if you want.

[Sativa Lung]

 

If I skate stock venture bushings with a bones flat top washer I have to replace the top bushings about every two months, doesn't happen with any other truck/bushing. I know a few others that run into this problem too albeit not as badly as me. Its definitely a thing.

I'm going to guess it's something with the flat washer then because I've literally never seen it on stock washers and I've got or had almost every venture iteration spanning from 95 onward. The stock washers on the early 5.8 raws sometimes cut into the side if the edge is burred but I've never seen one crumble. Maybe you're compressing it differently than its designed to be or something.

[Sativa Lung]

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I’ve long been a proponent of the flat top washer WHEN people complain about the turn/need more turn. Just riding mine stock, dramatically increases the life of the bushings. Plus some people that know how to skateboard have told me that it helps their pinch (stock top washer). I would not know, because I can’t pinch …shit.

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In my experience (keep in mind the fact that I ride 55mm square wheels and high trucks - trash for pinch objectively) I found the opposite. I felt that in warm temperatures the venture stock setup would pinch well and offer good pop out of crooks too, given the stock washer gives it that extra little rebound to snap back in place.

Actually surprised me how good they felt on crooks (I mean you'd have to consider the longer WB gives better pinch too right)

In cold weather (less than 6-7 degrees C, id say), I find that the hardening of the bushing exaggerates that effect for pinchy tricks and it's a lot harder to to get into a solid pinch and hold it; its as if the truck is pushing you off and this leads to willies and coming out of crooks to noseslides.

The only way I've found to solve this is to use ace low bushings since they dont freeze untill negative temperatures, but unfortunately I have no access to those atm. Rn to combat this issue im just using 78a indy bottom bushings and a 78a top bushing (shaved down to venture top bushing height) for my front truck. This isn't working as well as i'd like however since indy bushings freeze to fuck around 6-7 degrees too.

Guess ill just wait for spring  -_-

Can you get riptide or venom shit up there? I have a set of 92a from one of the longboard companies that barely change unless it's cold enough that it freezes the pivots in place. I'm sure they have an 87a-ish formula option as well that would be closer to the aces. You can even get small barrels which are probably similar size to the ace low bottom, or you can do what I did and just get shave them down until you get to the desired height.

[switchfrontshuv]

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I’ve long been a proponent of the flat top washer WHEN people complain about the turn/need more turn. Just riding mine stock, dramatically increases the life of the bushings. Plus some people that know how to skateboard have told me that it helps their pinch (stock top washer). I would not know, because I can’t pinch …shit.

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In my experience (keep in mind the fact that I ride 55mm square wheels and high trucks - trash for pinch objectively) I found the opposite. I felt that in warm temperatures the venture stock setup would pinch well and offer good pop out of crooks too, given the stock washer gives it that extra little rebound to snap back in place.

Actually surprised me how good they felt on crooks (I mean you'd have to consider the longer WB gives better pinch too right)

In cold weather (less than 6-7 degrees C, id say), I find that the hardening of the bushing exaggerates that effect for pinchy tricks and it's a lot harder to to get into a solid pinch and hold it; its as if the truck is pushing you off and this leads to willies and coming out of crooks to noseslides.

The only way I've found to solve this is to use ace low bushings since they dont freeze untill negative temperatures, but unfortunately I have no access to those atm. Rn to combat this issue im just using 78a indy bottom bushings and a 78a top bushing (shaved down to venture top bushing height) for my front truck. This isn't working as well as i'd like however since indy bushings freeze to fuck around 6-7 degrees too.

Guess ill just wait for spring  -_-

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Can you get riptide or venom shit up there? I have a set of 92a from one of the longboard companies that barely change unless it's cold enough that it freezes the pivots in place. I'm sure they have an 87a-ish formula option as well that would be closer to the aces. You can even get small barrels which are probably similar size to the ace low bottom, or you can do what I did and just get shave them down until you get to the desired height.

oh nah we can get all kinds of shit up here its just a lot of shit is outta stock atm. I guess people buy up that kinda shit fast. I was looking into those venom SHR bushings (i think thats what theyre called) but idk man might as well just tolerate this who cares anyway fuck turning fuck winter

[Mbrimson88]

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venture stock bushings are 90a
agree with everything else though

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They're not. They're around 94a. I emailed them about this around 2 years ago. I can find it and post the response if you want.

I think they might have changed it up since then.

Some of the older Ventures I had were definitely much harder bushings, compared to the newer ones and were night and day when skating the same setup with the different bushings last month. 

The result was about the same using the pliers squeeze test on the old bushings which definitely feel more like the Thunder 95 duro aftermarket blues, with the new ones feeling the same as stock Thunder and aftermarket 90 duro bushings from other brands too.


I tried looking for info as I seem to recall someone asking not that long ago and the reply was they are all 90 duro now on the DLX account or might have even been Venture account.

[mynameisnotjeff]

…so who’s gonna be the first person to try this?

[tzhangdox]

I'm gonna stick to waxing my wheel wells when necessary

[beatifk]

What's with putting a 1/2 of a riser under the nose/tail-side bolts?

[BL0B]

What's with putting a 1/2 of a riser under the nose/tail-side bolts?

i don't know their thoughts on it but its moving the wheel base in a tiny bit.

[Mbrimson88]

What's with putting a 1/2 of a riser under the nose/tail-side bolts?

To change the angle of the trucks, so they turn even more or less than normal.

Wedge risers are used by a lot of people in surf / skate type boards, to really get a lot more turn out of whatever trucks they are using.


I am not into longboards or those surf / skate type boards so was going to look up a video, but this came up as the first thing, which describes it better:


Adding wedge risers changes the angle of the kingpin and the pivot point, which means that you can increase or decrease how much your trucks turn depending on which direction you face the angled risers. To increase your turn capability, install the wedge risers so the thick part is closer to the center of the board.

[roba]

yo i have a question

my girlfriend skates 147 thunders (team, not hollow or anything) and her bushings blew out or something. idk what happened exactly but the thing is that they don't turn. she wants to switch the bushings out but aftermarket thunder bushings are hardly available in poland. the other options are independent and bones bushings. i'm guessing that independent bushings won't fit but what about the bones?

[Mbrimson88]

yo i have a question

my girlfriend skates 147 thunders (team, not hollow or anything) and her bushings blew out or something. idk what happened exactly but the thing is that they don't turn. she wants to switch the bushings out but aftermarket thunder bushings are hardly available in poland. the other options are independent and bones bushings. i'm guessing that independent bushings won't fit but what about the bones?

Indy bushings still fit just as easily in any trucks.

There are cylinder and conical so I would recommend the conical versions, probably the 90 duro orange ones, more than anything else.

I like to cut the tops down a bit just to have the kingpin nut sit a bit lower, but that is just me.





Bones work just as well too (only they blow out faster), but are sometimes better for lighter people who do want more turn so the mediums would be best.


If the stock Thunder bushings were too hard or didn't allow for enough turn, you can try cutting the tops down a mm or two at the most and trying them as is again.

Most bushings are still not too bad, even if parts of them start to break on the outside, they are often still ok on the inside areas and will usually end up feeling softer and more easy on the turn too.


With any bushings, you can run them exactly as per factory settings, or you can take out the bottom washer to really make them turn more (and costs nothing to experiment) before buying any new ones.

I would be inclined to have a good look at them first, before just going out and buying more, but that is just me.

[Mbrimson88]

Right now I am not able to go get pics of parts, but I have everything like that set up on something, so I just looked up some pics and sure enough, there are plenty online to choose from.

These pics show Thunder trucks with stock bushings that although they might look like they have issues, they are perfectly fine and will still skate ok for a while yet, as per some sets from people who thought they were done, but I have had them on boards that worked perfectly well for as long as I have had them set up.








Then here is a pic of someone with Bones medium bushings on Thunder trucks, just to show you - top washer is optional, as is the flat black washer they come with.  Then below that is the most common issue with Bones bushings, where the harder plastic core and the white bushing separate and then the bushing is usually pretty much done.

Putting on a normal washer (like the first pic) can actually help prevent this, as well as make them last a little longer, but if it completely comes apart, then there is not a whole lot supporting the trucks, which will give an almost jiggly loose feel.

[roba]

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Right now I am not able to go get pics of parts, but I have everything like that set up on something, so I just looked up some pics and sure enough, there are plenty online to choose from.

These pics show Thunder trucks with stock bushings that although they might look like they have issues, they are perfectly fine and will still skate ok for a while yet, as per some sets from people who thought they were done, but I have had them on boards that worked perfectly well for as long as I have had them set up.








Then here is a pic of someone with Bones medium bushings on Thunder trucks, just to show you - top washer is optional, as is the flat black washer they come with.  Then below that is the most common issue with Bones bushings, where the harder plastic core and the white bushing separate and then the bushing is usually pretty much done.

Putting on a normal washer (like the first pic) can actually help prevent this, as well as make them last a little longer, but if it completely comes apart, then there is not a whole lot supporting the trucks, which will give an almost jiggly loose feel.

oh she's very light, her weight is around 40kg, give or take. i loosened her trucks a lot but they still didn't turn, i had to lean really hard to get the board to turn and it barely did and i weigh twice as much. i've been on aces for about 4 years now but before that i skated thunders for about 4 years too and had no problem with turning so there's definitely something wrong with the bushings. i think we might go with the bones, we're going to keep the old stock washers on there and they should be good to go.

[LebowskisRug]

Get aftermarket soft Thunder bushings, 2 sets, and use only the tops like Ishod. Id use a top washer on the bottom or no washer. If they don’t turn after that, then maybe try Bones soft.

[roba]

Get aftermarket soft Thunder bushings, 2 sets, and use only the tops like Ishod. Id use a top washer on the bottom or no washer. If they don’t turn after that, then maybe try Bones soft.

thunder bushings would be my first choice obviously but as i stated in my first post they are hard to find where i live, whereas the bones or the indys are available at my local skate shop

[PuffinMuffin]

I found Krux bushings hold up better than the stock thunder ones, especially in the cold. Both Thunder and Krux bottom bushings are the same height so it won't mess with your geometry. 

[LebowskisRug]

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Get aftermarket soft Thunder bushings, 2 sets, and use only the tops like Ishod. Id use a top washer on the bottom or no washer. If they don’t turn after that, then maybe try Bones soft.

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thunder bushings would be my first choice obviously but as i stated in my first post they are hard to find where i live, whereas the bones or the indys are available at my local skate shop

Sorry, I didn't catch that. In that case I would do something similar with Indy softs or Bones softs. Honestly though I would keep a curved stock washer as it mildly helps prevent wheelbite with Thunder

[TwisT]

broken stock bushing is part of the thunder aesthetic

[j....soy.....]

Facts…what’s next, complaining about Indy stock bushings? 

[roba]

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Get aftermarket soft Thunder bushings, 2 sets, and use only the tops like Ishod. Id use a top washer on the bottom or no washer. If they don’t turn after that, then maybe try Bones soft.

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thunder bushings would be my first choice obviously but as i stated in my first post they are hard to find where i live, whereas the bones or the indys are available at my local skate shop

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Sorry, I didn't catch that. In that case I would do something similar with Indy softs or Bones softs. Honestly though I would keep a curved stock washer as it mildly helps prevent wheelbite with Thunder

yeah, i think we will keep both stock washers with those bones bushings, especially if that might prevent them from blowing out like @Mbrimson88 said. wheelbite isn't really an issue for her because of her weight but i don't want the bushings to break too soon.

she bought the mediums instead because a friend had the softs and the plastic piece fell into the bushing after like a month of skating, he didn't use washers though. i pressed them in with my finger and the mediums still feel decently soft, definitely softer than the orange indys.

[Mbrimson88]

oh she's very light, her weight is around 40kg, give or take. i loosened her trucks a lot but they still didn't turn, i had to lean really hard to get the board to turn and it barely did and i weigh twice as much. i've been on aces for about 4 years now but before that i skated thunders for about 4 years too and had no problem with turning so there's definitely something wrong with the bushings. i think we might go with the bones, we're going to keep the old stock washers on there and they should be good to go.

One of the things I was going to say as well but forgot, was the break in on any bushings.

I have helped little light weight kids with their boards, which they couldn't turn on at all for however long they had the board for, but when I stood on their board and leaned heel to toe and did that over and over for a minute or so, it actually made the bushings soften up a whole lot, so the extra weight of you just leaning the board side to side a whole lot might help with those bushings that are one it, as well as softening up any other bushings you put on there.


Bones mediums should be fairly easy right from go, but just in case they do feel too stiff, do the same thing and wear them in a bit right there standing on the board, or you can run them for a bit without the stock washers just to soften them up and wear them in, then as they compress a bit more, add in washers as needed.


Looking back over the search pics, I had seen a few people post pics of Bones bushings that sit above the kingpin with a caption of them asking why they don't fit, so just in case that happens, even just the bushings and a nut on top first, then once they wear in and compress down, which they will do, you can add washers afterwards.

[Cthunderw]

These Indy Tom Knox got me thinking I’m gonna buy trucks for their fuckin colour.

[Damoforce]

Hey hey, maybe long shot or an odd one haha

Just wondering, what truck set up are people running on Quasi set up?

I don't know if it's me, but the tail seems short for a 14.25 WB

I've started on Indys forged hollows and will take it from there

[Ok]

Hey hey, maybe long shot or an odd one haha

Just wondering, what truck set up are people running on Quasi set up?

I don't know if it's me, but the tail seems short for a 14.25 WB

I've started on Indys forged hollows and will take it from there

I’ve got some quasi boards and yeah…similar issue with the short tail. I thought I liked short tails. Maybe not. This one board I’ve cycled thru some different trucks (8.125 shape), can’t get a decent ollie. Meh

[notinternetfamous]

Hey hey, maybe long shot or an odd one haha

Just wondering, what truck set up are people running on Quasi set up?

I don't know if it's me, but the tail seems short for a 14.25 WB

I've started on Indys forged hollows and will take it from there

I skated this Quasi back in 2019 https://www.paradeworld.com/products/quasi-wilson-fight-skateboard-deck-825-1-4312498765911/
I tried it with Venture 5.8 Highs Cast and Ace 44 Classics. It felt best on Aces for me since the WB was 14.375" and it also had a short tail. I think you should be fine with Indy's though. I've skated multiple of the Baker 8.0 shape which has a short tail always paired with Ventures and it was fine

[LebowskisRug]

Hey hey, maybe long shot or an odd one haha

Just wondering, what truck set up are people running on Quasi set up?

I don't know if it's me, but the tail seems short for a 14.25 WB

I've started on Indys forged hollows and will take it from there

Justin Henry, Dick Russo, Wilson, and Tyler Bledsoe ride Indys, Gilbert rides Ventures, Bobby and Dane ride Thunders so honestly there isn’t a team rider consensus.

I’ve had the short tail Quasi on juuuust about every truck. The tail never bothers me. I most recently had the Henry debut model on Ventures and it was fine and the Dane Barker BBS pressed deck on Indy’s and it was fine but I never got used to the nose really.

[j....soy.....]

The correct answer would be thunders no?  Not worth getting new trucks though….

[notinternetfamous]

The correct answer would be thunders no?  Not worth getting new trucks though….

Tbh there is truly no correct answer for board/truck pairing. People will recommend things based off experience and although there are people who preach certain board/truck specifications which sound good on paper, it isn't necessarily always the case.
You go with what works for you. There's several accounts of people who love skating Ventures with 14.5"+ WB's and those who skate Aces with 14" WB. I fully support experimentation though especially for those who are interested/curious about trying different truck brands.

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I am one of those that liked ace classics on 14” wb. May have helped that I was running 56 conical fulls (for me a big wheel). I got great pop out of that setup. Shit, maybe I should go back to that.

Unrelated, I haven’t found a way to get along with the af1 44s. My whole shit feels heavy, dead, not popping. Turn is cool, pop is uncool.