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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9750 on: January 18, 2021, 06:56:52 PM »
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Had a decent session on 147 hollows. Anyone have a deck pairing they like?
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I had a Business & Company 8" (14" wb) that I used those trucks with (before heading back to my 7.75 + Indy combo). It was a pretty awesome setup, but I just felt too weird making such a change from 7.75/ Indys so... I didn't "allow" myself to fully enjoy it. BUT it was a nice setup, quick pop and quick flip.
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14Ē wb the key, same with 8Ē. I want a Gino deck, for obvious reasons, but B&C or one of those Gangemi decks would be more interesting.
Thanks for the rec
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I was going to say the Gino 8.18", but I used Venture Low 5.25s with it (this is 3 years ago) not Thunders. BUT in saying that... that was also a good setup
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That was the plan, 8.18 with 5.2 loís.
Alternatively I could just skate more often, and forget about acquiring gear that will change results, negligibly at best
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I'm in the same boat really. I'm currently trying to dodge the yearn to Ventures (yet again) but really, I haven't got to skate in 3 weeks so I have too much time on my hands
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I've swapped between Thunder and Venture, really love Venture but I keep going back to Thunder. Venture wins on pinch but Thunders are much more versatile with more deck dims.

Does anyone have a review of Venture Titaniums?

What is this versatility (with decks) that you speak of?

Iíve been bouncing back and forth between 5.2 loís and 147s, for ever. Iíll also use 5.2 hiís from time to time, but have never been super stoked on a setup with them. Hilariously the 5.0 hiís and I got along great, but they look so ridiculous that I couldnít.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9751 on: January 18, 2021, 07:33:18 PM »
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Had a decent session on 147 hollows. Anyone have a deck pairing they like?
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I had a Business & Company 8" (14" wb) that I used those trucks with (before heading back to my 7.75 + Indy combo). It was a pretty awesome setup, but I just felt too weird making such a change from 7.75/ Indys so... I didn't "allow" myself to fully enjoy it. BUT it was a nice setup, quick pop and quick flip.
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14Ē wb the key, same with 8Ē. I want a Gino deck, for obvious reasons, but B&C or one of those Gangemi decks would be more interesting.
Thanks for the rec
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I was going to say the Gino 8.18", but I used Venture Low 5.25s with it (this is 3 years ago) not Thunders. BUT in saying that... that was also a good setup
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That was the plan, 8.18 with 5.2 loís.
Alternatively I could just skate more often, and forget about acquiring gear that will change results, negligibly at best
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I'm in the same boat really. I'm currently trying to dodge the yearn to Ventures (yet again) but really, I haven't got to skate in 3 weeks so I have too much time on my hands
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I've swapped between Thunder and Venture, really love Venture but I keep going back to Thunder. Venture wins on pinch but Thunders are much more versatile with more deck dims.

Does anyone have a review of Venture Titaniums?
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What is this versatility (with decks) that you speak of?


Iíve been bouncing back and forth between 5.2 loís and 147s, for ever. Iíll also use 5.2 hiís from time to time, but have never been super stoked on a setup with them. Hilariously the 5.0 hiís and I got along great, but they look so ridiculous that I couldnít.

Bro science opinion here but Thunder 147 and 148 pair well with most deck deck dimensions. Rode them on 8 x 31.6 x 14, 8 x 31.75 x 14.25, 8.125 x 31.8 x 14.25 and 8.25 x 32.1 x 14.125 and they've performed well under all these deck dimensions, unlike Ventures which I feel only pair well with long length with short wheelbase because of how much they shift wheelbase outwards (3.25-3.5"). And even all the times I've tried pairing Venture with the latter deck dimensions, I find myself going back to Thunders.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9752 on: January 18, 2021, 10:18:49 PM »
Weird question. Some bottom barrel bushings have a straight cut on one side and a more rounded chamfer on the other side. Which side would you put facing the bottom washer and which side into the truck hanger?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9753 on: January 19, 2021, 05:20:36 AM »
Rounded side against truck hanger, flat side against washer.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9754 on: January 19, 2021, 07:09:22 AM »
Weird question. Some bottom barrel bushings have a straight cut on one side and a more rounded chamfer on the other side. Which side would you put facing the bottom washer and which side into the truck hanger?
Rounded side against truck hanger, flat side against washer.

Yes that is how most trucks come with stock bushings, the flat part is against the washer and the more textured part is against the truck hanger.

If you look at the top one and which ever is the same look finish, make that part the same on the bottom, as most (not all) are now fairly well finished, no big air bubbles or chunks or urethane overbleed the way they all used to come, looking so unfinished from back in the day.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9755 on: January 19, 2021, 09:10:07 AM »
thought i was gonna stick with ace, but now i'm considering getting thunder 148s because i'm liking these 147s that i had laying around, but want that 2mm extra height, but i'm also considering downsizing to 7.875 and what if 148s are a tad too wide? who's bright idea was it to make 147s shorter?
on the other hand, i wouldn't mind if ace had a forged baseplate option to be 1-1.5mm shorter because it's already got great wheelbite clearance and would probably still beat thunder if it weren't as tall

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9756 on: January 19, 2021, 09:39:05 AM »
thought i was gonna stick with ace, but now i'm considering getting thunder 148s because i'm liking these 147s that i had laying around, but want that 2mm extra height, but i'm also considering downsizing to 7.875 and what if 148s are a tad too wide? who's bright idea was it to make 147s shorter?
on the other hand, i wouldn't mind if ace had a forged baseplate option to be 1-1.5mm shorter because it's already got great wheelbite clearance and would probably still beat thunder if it weren't as tall

Whut.

147s are the true thunder height, they adjusted the larger sizes to be taller. 147s are dope, in large part due to their height. The new wood risers from real, thunder specific jawns, might cure your ails. 147s are good from 7.75-8.25, 148s 8-8.5. Not sure if you have the forged plate thunders, cast plates would give you a little more height, but the wood risers are pretty sick imo.

Ace plate is already thinner. Ace are what, 52 mm high? Thunder 147s are just shy of 50mm iirc. Thatís getting pretty precious, no?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9757 on: January 19, 2021, 10:38:13 AM »
147s are the true thunder height, they adjusted the larger sizes to be taller.

Ace plate is already thinner. Ace are what, 52 mm high? Thunder 147s are just shy of 50mm iirc. Thatís getting pretty precious, no?
i compared two sets of aces - one broken in and the other untouched - to some forged baseplate indys (53.5mm) and they were pretty much the same height. wish they were a bit lower

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9758 on: January 19, 2021, 11:38:27 AM »
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147s are the true thunder height, they adjusted the larger sizes to be taller.
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Ace plate is already thinner. Ace are what, 52 mm high? Thunder 147s are just shy of 50mm iirc. Thatís getting pretty precious, no?
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i compared two sets of aces - one broken in and the other untouched - to some forged baseplate indys (53.5mm) and they were pretty much the same height. wish they were a bit lower

Ah. The ace baseplate, to me, looks thin, compared to an indy/thunder cast plate. I didnít measure my aces, they are pretty worn in, so a measurement would not be accurate to a new truck. I thought aces were 52 mm. With ace qc, that could maybe be a little off.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9759 on: January 19, 2021, 06:44:05 PM »
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Rounded side against truck hanger, flat side against washer.
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Disagree here. I put the flat side against the hanger - (the side with the 3 rings, if you use Indy)

That is the textured (and slightly rounded) side.

The other side is the sharp edges with an unfinished look.

So we are actually putting them on the same way.

Glad we agree!  :)
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9760 on: January 19, 2021, 06:56:32 PM »
1/8" risers are 3mm, so using those with 147's just gets you narrower 148 Teams. Just get the forged plate 148s.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9761 on: January 19, 2021, 08:23:04 PM »
1/8" risers are 3mm, so using those with 147's just gets you narrower 148 Teams. Just get the forged plate 148s.


Eh, next comment was them considering sizing deck down to 7.875, which I guess you could do with 148s, but that seems more awkward than just using a riser.

With thunders being different heights for different widths, Iím fairly certain but please correct me if Iím wrong, I wonder where the height comes from: baseplate or hanger?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9762 on: January 19, 2021, 08:24:53 PM »
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Rounded side against truck hanger, flat side against washer.
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Disagree here. I put the flat side against the hanger - (the side with the 3 rings, if you use Indy)
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That is the textured (and slightly rounded) side.

The other side is the sharp edges with an unfinished look.

So we are actually putting them on the same way.

Glad we agree!  :)

Does it actually make a difference? I've seen people discuss this but I can't imagine it actually doing anything

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9763 on: January 19, 2021, 08:38:42 PM »
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Rounded side against truck hanger, flat side against washer.
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Disagree here. I put the flat side against the hanger - (the side with the 3 rings, if you use Indy)
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That is the textured (and slightly rounded) side.

The other side is the sharp edges with an unfinished look.

So we are actually putting them on the same way.

Glad we agree!  :)
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Does it actually make a difference? I've seen people discuss this but I can't imagine it actually doing anything

Those cylinder bushings are almost identical at either end so no, not really.  People have often put them in upside down and they will not change a thing about how the skateboard turns or rides.

The only difference that will cause some issues is when the bushing is wider than the space in the metal washer, so it will not sit flat in it, then squashes down, often to the heel side and doesn't perform as it was intended, most commonly when people try to put cylinder bushings on with conical metal washers, or some brands of truck have smaller bottom washers and not as wide cylinder bushings as the aftermarket bushings they try to put in.

Indy bushings always come with the relevant washers to fit, cylinder or conical, as do the Thunder rebuild kit, but some bushing sets only have bushings, no washers, as per the Thunder tube, or the Deluxe Supercush tube.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9764 on: January 19, 2021, 08:43:41 PM »
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1/8" risers are 3mm, so using those with 147's just gets you narrower 148 Teams. Just get the forged plate 148s.
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Eh, next comment was them considering sizing deck down to 7.875, which I guess you could do with 148s, but that seems more awkward than just using a riser.

With thunders being different heights for different widths, Iím fairly certain but please correct me if Iím wrong, I wonder where the height comes from: baseplate or hanger?

It's from the hanger I think, which is why the kingpin clearance is much lower.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9765 on: January 19, 2021, 08:48:37 PM »
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1/8" risers are 3mm, so using those with 147's just gets you narrower 148 Teams. Just get the forged plate 148s.
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Eh, next comment was them considering sizing deck down to 7.875, which I guess you could do with 148s, but that seems more awkward than just using a riser.

With thunders being different heights for different widths, Iím fairly certain but please correct me if Iím wrong, I wonder where the height comes from: baseplate or hanger?
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It's from the hanger I think, which is why the kingpin clearance is much lower.

Same as the Indy stage 10 to the stage 11, the hanger is taller - easy to see when you have them back to back with the pivot point up.

I thought I had a pic of it, but it seems I do not.

I talk too much about skateboards.  Sorry.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9766 on: January 19, 2021, 09:58:44 PM »
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1/8" risers are 3mm, so using those with 147's just gets you narrower 148 Teams. Just get the forged plate 148s.
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Eh, next comment was them considering sizing deck down to 7.875, which I guess you could do with 148s, but that seems more awkward than just using a riser.

With thunders being different heights for different widths, Iím fairly certain but please correct me if Iím wrong, I wonder where the height comes from: baseplate or hanger?
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It's from the hanger I think, which is why the kingpin clearance is much lower.
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Same as the Indy stage 10 to the stage 11, the hanger is taller - easy to see when you have them back to back with the pivot point up.

I thought I had a pic of it, but it seems I do not.


Did you like stage 10s?
Iím not sure when I started liking Indy less....the quality is higher now, than ever before imo. Just donít like the new ones as much

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9767 on: January 20, 2021, 06:35:35 AM »
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1/8" risers are 3mm, so using those with 147's just gets you narrower 148 Teams. Just get the forged plate 148s.
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Eh, next comment was them considering sizing deck down to 7.875, which I guess you could do with 148s, but that seems more awkward than just using a riser.

With thunders being different heights for different widths, Iím fairly certain but please correct me if Iím wrong, I wonder where the height comes from: baseplate or hanger?
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It's from the hanger I think, which is why the kingpin clearance is much lower.
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Same as the Indy stage 10 to the stage 11, the hanger is taller - easy to see when you have them back to back with the pivot point up.

I thought I had a pic of it, but it seems I do not.
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Did you like stage 10s?
Iím not sure when I started liking Indy less....the quality is higher now, than ever before imo. Just donít like the new ones as much

I had a lot of Stage 9 (same everything as Stage 10 only the 9s had two hollow parts in the baseplate that always broke) so was used to how they felt and always used thin risers because I liked to turn and I also liked bigger wheels.

When the stage 11 came in, I really didn't want to try them at first, mainly because I had more than a dozen setups, too many that I didn't need and was told they were too high and all the rest of it, but I thought I would try one set of the 144s and was amazed at how much more turn and clearance there was.  I set up more 11s including 149s and 159s on bigger boards too, and have found them overall to be much better for how I skate.

From that, I don't ride many of the older setups with earlier stages, pretty much everything on Stage 11 now, but I am also not skating half as tech as I used to (flips, ledges, etc) so I enjoy more loose truck turn than anything else.  The older 9 and 10 don't turn as much or as well, compared to the 11s, which is probably good for how some people like to skate anyway, that bit more stable and a bit lower, etc.

You can get more or less the same feeling from any of the forged baseplate versions in current trucks and not have the drama of trying to find old trucks - I had some minimally used forged hollow 159s come back so I tested them and they are closer to the older ones, still grind, turn and perform as expected.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9768 on: January 20, 2021, 07:36:19 AM »
I think people worry about small height differences too much. It might feel weird at first, but most people will wear down their wheels 2-3mm over their life, which is the difference. A low vs high might matter more or moving from a standard Indy to a forged Thunder although the lower height would offset some of the wheelbase move.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9769 on: January 20, 2021, 08:44:49 AM »
the thing with wheels is going down one mm in diameter is just half a mm difference in height. one mm on trucks can give you room for an extra two mm in wheel size

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9770 on: January 20, 2021, 09:03:56 AM »
I mean Thunder regular vs cast or forged vs regular are 1mm in difference....

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9771 on: January 20, 2021, 09:14:40 AM »
Anon, Iím kinda not sure what you want. If I read this correctly, if, you donít like the height of 147s, which are almost 50 mm, but you do like the height of 148s, which are 52 mm, but may want to move down in board size, ace which are listed at 52 mm you want to have a forged plate lowering the height from 50.5 ish to 51.5.
So you want trucks that are 51-52 mm tall? Royals are close, 50 ish, and better than people think. Indy mids when they come out with a forged plate will be a bit lower, now they are 52mm.
Iíll stand by the notion of 147s with forged plate and a rider being your best option.
I agree with ballin that folks get too caught up in height, but I think thatís because there isnít another number we can attach to the pop feeling. It probably has more to do with a salad of: axle positioning, height, tail/nose lengths and angles, wb, effective wb, butterflies, board width and length, wheel size, and then our individual body proportions, x memories from back in the day

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9772 on: January 20, 2021, 10:07:04 AM »
Think of this in terms of a simple lever arm. Trucks are going to alter the angle of the board when the tail hits the ground. Moving from Ace to Venture makes the tail pop later as does going from a low to a high. But, wheel size and decks matter much more than just the trucks. Many of these trucks are so close that it might not even change the board angle a half a degree. You can play around with that here a bit: https://www.engineersedge.com/calculators/levers/page_levers_1.htm

My advice after fucking around with Ace, Indy, Thunder, and Venture is to find a relative height you like, then find the turn/grind/pinch/whatever you like the best. Then shop various deck shapes. Or vice versa I dunno. The rest will work itself out. I started skating in the late 90's and don't buy the bullshit that people somehow have 20 year muscle memory going that prevents them from riding higher/bigger stuff. I went from 7.5 and Venture low to 8-8.25 and Indy/Thunder forged and likely skate as close to as good if not better than my peak aside from flatground flip tricks that I don't have the patience to care about.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9773 on: January 20, 2021, 10:36:55 AM »
I donít think my personal muscle memory from 20 plus years ago is a factor. I think my memories (fantasies) about how I skated back in the day factor in, because Iím chasing Ďfeelingsí from long ago.
Modern equipment is also much nicer. Boards, trucks, wheels, are for the most part significantly better now. Which makes riding a larger size easier.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9774 on: January 20, 2021, 10:46:50 AM »
yeah - levers, fulcrum, length of tail/nose, angle, all that bs. i think we can all adjust. it was more to do with the material/hardness and "quality" of pop to begin with
somebody mentioned the material of aces was the cause of a less crisp pop, which led me down this rabbit hole (i was quite content otherwise)
as i messed around, i found that the height of thunders felt good and wanted aces to be that height
since aces beat any other truck in regards to wheel clearance, i wouldn't mind sacrificing a bit of that to have a lower ride (ace lows are too much)
as for the pop of aces, i've just come to terms with it
i'll just use thunders with the more worn in, razor-tailed decks and smaller wheels
i do like the "manual point" on thunders, tough
backside nosegrinds with thunders are a dream

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9775 on: January 20, 2021, 01:11:26 PM »
I donít think my personal muscle memory from 20 plus years ago is a factor. I think my memories (fantasies) about how I skated back in the day factor in, because Iím chasing Ďfeelingsí from long ago.
Modern equipment is also much nicer. Boards, trucks, wheels, are for the most part significantly better now. Which makes riding a larger size easier.

I totally get this, it's a big reason I'm back on an 8! Not meaning to sound rude.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9776 on: January 22, 2021, 04:20:27 PM »
I just came across this post from a while back from the guy who does his own board shapes, customised Ace inverted kingpin.

Looks like he did it right.


https://www.instagram.com/p/B__TYkzFm38/
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9777 on: January 22, 2021, 04:24:55 PM »
I talk too much about skateboards.  Sorry.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9778 on: January 22, 2021, 06:23:43 PM »

https://www.instagram.com/p/BqATfmjFnxd/
i tried krux kingpins without the washers and my top bushing fell off

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9779 on: January 22, 2021, 06:57:44 PM »
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i tried krux kingpins without the washers and my top bushing fell off

He looked like he had quite a few modifications and I didn't want to post too many that he put up, but I could see the bushing getting smashed with the top head pulling through on a few of the posts.

Everyone can set their board up how they want, but I always thought it was very short lived to not have a metal washer on top, plain bushings and bones alike just get pulled through.


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