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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9870 on: February 26, 2021, 11:59:18 AM »
Also, as a side note, is it generally accepted that lighter people should run softer bushings? I'm 5'9" and weigh about 140 at my max

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9871 on: February 26, 2021, 12:36:48 PM »
Got some riptides set up in my Aces after having really good experiences running them in Thunders - even got the Ace-specific ones, but I feel like it's made my board more herky-jerky than it was before - almost like the metal truck components won't sit right on the bushings.

 I'm running stock bushings and don't know if changing those out would do anything, but just curious if anyone else has had this experience before.

I think this comes down to Ace's QC. I've had sets where Riptides fit perfectly. Then took the same broken-in Riptides and used them for a different set of Ace's, and the pivot nub on the hanger will NOT stay in there and the geometry is all messed up after I squish everything down and secure the kingpin nut.

I also just set up some 22's last night and noticed inside the pivot cavity when i took the cups out, there were a ton of holes from bubbles in the aluminum or something. Same on another set of brand new 11's that I got for my nephew's first board. The pivot mold in Ace baseplates seems to have taken a bad turn. I notice a lot of photos of Ace's on the web of the latest batches, along with my 11's and 22's, the stock pivot cups and riptides sit cockeyed in the baseplate because the actual mold itself seems altered or something. Might not have any effect on the ride but it just screams Chi-nah

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9872 on: February 26, 2021, 01:12:43 PM »
Been having an all out gear madness personal crisis and I went back to my old ways of running indy 159 hollows on an 8.5. Had the best session I have had in a long time yesterday on that setup. Also I threw in ace low bushings with the washers that came with them and they are perfect. I am a full ace bushing convert now.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9873 on: February 26, 2021, 09:16:40 PM »
Also, as a side note, is it generally accepted that lighter people should run softer bushings? I'm 5'9" and weigh about 140 at my max

A lighter body will find it much harder to put weight into turning trucks than a heavier body, who might often put too much turn (and wheelbite) on the same duro bushings, most being about 90A duro in the stock bushings, but can go down as far as Indy super soft 78 or up as high as 99 or even 100 super hard kegs.

I know some super big dudes who ride the softest bushings and like it that way, but that is the exception as most bigger guys ride harder bushings and smaller dudes ride softer bushings or struggle to turn on stock bushings.

I have helped a lot of younger and lighter bodies with both these options equally, but if you cannot turn with normal bushings, you can either cut the tops down on the ones you currently have, or just buy softer bushings to replace what you currently have.

Lots of choices, maybe too many.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9874 on: February 27, 2021, 07:42:34 AM »
Also, as a side note, is it generally accepted that lighter people should run softer bushings? I'm 5'9" and weigh about 140 at my max

This is what I did for a long time. I found that Ace bushings were perfect as-is, so I stopped futzing once I made the switch. But yeah, soft white Indy bushings made the trucks much more enjoyable for me

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9875 on: February 28, 2021, 02:19:38 AM »
Does anyone run a tighter front truck? I know a lot of people do the tighter at the back, looser at the front. I used to do this too but kinda stopped since I skate a lot of switch/fakie so I try have it exactly the same.

I think I could use a bit more stability when setting up for certain switch and nollie tricks, but besides that I do like my current looseness. Tighter at the front and looser at the back sounds weird but maybe it could work? Anyone ever done this before?

edit: did this, definitely helps a little bit, but feels really weird. But doesn't affect performance or anything.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9876 on: February 28, 2021, 04:54:23 AM »
Does anyone run a tighter front truck? I know a lot of people do the tighter at the back, looser at the front. I used to do this too but kinda stopped since I skate a lot of switch/fakie so I try have it exactly the same.

I think I could use a bit more stability when setting up for certain switch and nollie tricks, but besides that I do like my current looseness. Tighter at the front and looser at the back sounds weird but maybe it could work? Anyone ever done this before?
When I first started skatboarding my friend's brother who I really looked up to and was really good told me to ride my trucks like that because it made switch easier. So I did that for years until I quit and now that I've been skatboarding again for a couple years I've done the looser front tighter back. I ride goofy. I'm heavier on my left foot when skating switch/fakie so I think it makes more since to have a tighter back truck for me.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9877 on: February 28, 2021, 09:21:03 AM »

Indy aftermarket barrel bottom bushing, bones top bushing; best combo ever.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9878 on: February 28, 2021, 11:31:25 AM »
The last year of this thread is basically people's experiments getting Ventures to turn well and problems with Ace QC

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9879 on: February 28, 2021, 01:17:23 PM »
I need some desperate help with my thunder trucks guys. I switched from riding indys about a year ago and I've been having a lot of issues with the bushings.. in general I like my trucks on the tighter side so I switched stock for aftermarket thunders 94a 95a(rebuild kit) and they keep on blowing out within the first month right after they get that broken in feeling. I tried also getting some of the DLX supercush bushings which are supposedly a fit for thunders but they didn't seem to fit at all.. if anything they were fatter than an indy bushing so I didn't even try riding those. So I guess I just wanted to ask if anyone knows of any other alternatives like bones bushings and how well they ride. I am also planning to get some of the 97 and 100a thunder bushings and see if I have any better luck with the blowouts.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9880 on: February 28, 2021, 04:09:36 PM »
Weird, I wish I could help but I have had nothing but fantastic luck with Thunder bushings in general be it stock or rebuild.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9881 on: February 28, 2021, 04:15:22 PM »
I need some desperate help with my thunder trucks guys. I switched from riding indys about a year ago and I've been having a lot of issues with the bushings.. in general I like my trucks on the tighter side so I switched stock for aftermarket thunders 94a 95a(rebuild kit) and they keep on blowing out within the first month right after they get that broken in feeling. I tried also getting some of the DLX supercush bushings which are supposedly a fit for thunders but they didn't seem to fit at all.. if anything they were fatter than an indy bushing so I didn't even try riding those. So I guess I just wanted to ask if anyone knows of any other alternatives like bones bushings and how well they ride. I am also planning to get some of the 97 and 100a thunder bushings and see if I have any better luck with the blowouts.

Are you using the correct size metal washers for the bushings?

Stock thunders are conical shape and have a smaller bottom washer, as do the rebuild kit.

Super cush are the cylinder shape and don't come with metal washers so you cannot use the Thunder washers for those - as you said they will not work - but if you still have the Indy washers you can put them in and they will work fine, but might not feel comfortable for how you skate.

In blowing out, do you mean they split and come apart?  Thunder bushings do this more than some other brands, but it is also down to how tight you have them and how much pressure you are putting on them, eg bushings that are tightened down too much or have too much pressure put on them will be a lot more likely to split and break.

Any of the Indy aftermarket kits have all bushings and metal washers included, and don't really split or come apart the way other brands do, so you could try the black cylinder (not conical) 94s and see if that makes any difference, or at least re try the super cush with those washers.

Lastly, you could try the Bones hard bushings, either with or without washers, but people I know who ride them with all the metal washers have fewer issues with them blowing out than to ride them without washers, and these guys are the sort of dudes to blow out stuff and break stuff more than others.  They might take a minute to wear in but they soften up well and with washers, it keeps all the parts together, contrary to the depictions on the Bones "How to" use their bushings or what others say on here.

Just a few options anyway.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9882 on: February 28, 2021, 06:15:46 PM »
I need some desperate help with my thunder trucks guys. I switched from riding indys about a year ago and I've been having a lot of issues with the bushings.. in general I like my trucks on the tighter side so I switched stock for aftermarket thunders 94a 95a(rebuild kit) and they keep on blowing out within the first month right after they get that broken in feeling. I tried also getting some of the DLX supercush bushings which are supposedly a fit for thunders but they didn't seem to fit at all.. if anything they were fatter than an indy bushing so I didn't even try riding those. So I guess I just wanted to ask if anyone knows of any other alternatives like bones bushings and how well they ride. I am also planning to get some of the 97 and 100a thunder bushings and see if I have any better luck with the blowouts.
Bones hards and call it a day. I had the same issues with the stock thunder bushings blowing out

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9883 on: February 28, 2021, 08:10:41 PM »
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I need some desperate help with my thunder trucks guys. I switched from riding indys about a year ago and I've been having a lot of issues with the bushings.. in general I like my trucks on the tighter side so I switched stock for aftermarket thunders 94a 95a(rebuild kit) and they keep on blowing out within the first month right after they get that broken in feeling. I tried also getting some of the DLX supercush bushings which are supposedly a fit for thunders but they didn't seem to fit at all.. if anything they were fatter than an indy bushing so I didn't even try riding those. So I guess I just wanted to ask if anyone knows of any other alternatives like bones bushings and how well they ride. I am also planning to get some of the 97 and 100a thunder bushings and see if I have any better luck with the blowouts.
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Bones hards and call it a day. I had the same issues with the stock thunder bushings blowing out

This or Indy hards for more stability, reduced turn.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9884 on: February 28, 2021, 08:26:05 PM »
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Titanium-Seat-Bolt-3-8-24-Thread-x-2-Inch,34338.html

Thereís a link to that titanium bolt that could be used as an inverted kingpin... I may try it out.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9885 on: February 28, 2021, 09:59:44 PM »
Does anyone run a tighter front truck? I know a lot of people do the tighter at the back, looser at the front. I used to do this too but kinda stopped since I skate a lot of switch/fakie so I try have it exactly the same.

I think I could use a bit more stability when setting up for certain switch and nollie tricks, but besides that I do like my current looseness. Tighter at the front and looser at the back sounds weird but maybe it could work? Anyone ever done this before?

edit: did this, definitely helps a little bit, but feels really weird. But doesn't affect performance or anything.

I run my trucks like this. Albeit the front is just tighter enough so that itís noticeable, but barely. Iíve always done it like this so I donít know much different, but compared to my friends boards with looser front/equal trucks, my board feels more stable at high speeds and setting up for switch feels more comfy and stable.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9886 on: February 28, 2021, 10:02:38 PM »
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Does anyone run a tighter front truck? I know a lot of people do the tighter at the back, looser at the front. I used to do this too but kinda stopped since I skate a lot of switch/fakie so I try have it exactly the same.

I think I could use a bit more stability when setting up for certain switch and nollie tricks, but besides that I do like my current looseness. Tighter at the front and looser at the back sounds weird but maybe it could work? Anyone ever done this before?

edit: did this, definitely helps a little bit, but feels really weird. But doesn't affect performance or anything.
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I run my trucks like this. Albeit the front is just tighter enough so that itís noticeable, but barely. Iíve always done it like this so I donít know much different, but compared to my friends boards with looser front/equal trucks, my board feels more stable at high speeds and setting up for switch feels more comfy and stable.

Yup. There's just a few switch/nollie tricks that I need a little help with setting up for. Will probably have it just ever so slightly tighter, probably cranked it down a bit much today it definitely felt a bit unnatural.

Definitely made me realise that the tighter back/looser front conventional wisdom isn't ideal for everyone.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9887 on: February 28, 2021, 10:05:47 PM »
Iíd been having some issues with my stock Indy bushings feeling less responsive lately, so I dug out some old bones softs and messed with some different configurations. I settled on a bones soft top and an Indy bottom, and I think this was my biggest breakthrough in my setup in a minute. If you like medium tightness trucks but want quicker responsiveness I would absolutely try this out. My trucks are Indy Forged Hollows 149 on an 8.5 deck if that matters to someone.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9888 on: February 28, 2021, 10:38:01 PM »
Iíd been having some issues with my stock Indy bushings feeling less responsive lately, so I dug out some old bones softs and messed with some different configurations. I settled on a bones soft top and an Indy bottom, and I think this was my biggest breakthrough in my setup in a minute. If you like medium tightness trucks but want quicker responsiveness I would absolutely try this out. My trucks are Indy Forged Hollows 149 on an 8.5 deck if that matters to someone.


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9889 on: February 28, 2021, 11:02:50 PM »
https://www.speedwaymotors.com/Tru-Lite-Titanium-Seat-Bolt-3-8-24-Thread-x-2-Inch,34338.html

Thereís a link to that titanium bolt that could be used as an inverted kingpin... I may try it out.

Thanks!  Maybe when they drop TI's or hollows I'll try em....a thunder team with those would be good...

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9890 on: March 01, 2021, 10:54:56 PM »
Can anyone tell if Jaakko Ojanen is riding Indy 149s from the proportions?



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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9891 on: March 01, 2021, 11:07:36 PM »
Can anyone tell if these are Indy 149s from the proportions?



Where did I just see that recently?  He did a wallie up or something and back 360 kickflip off.


They could be 149s with washers on the inside, but look more like 159s with minimal washers and fat wheels.


Usually if you can freeze on the underside of the board, 149s have only four hole baseplates, but 159+ in standard have six holes, so the two extra at the front.  Might be a long shot, but I have seen things like that before, eg Evan Smith Indy setup video, where he has one 149 and one 159... whatever, hey.


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9892 on: March 01, 2021, 11:37:03 PM »
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Can anyone tell if these are Indy 149s from the proportions?

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Where did I just see that recently?  He did a wallie up or something and back 360 kickflip off.


They could be 149s with washers on the inside, but look more like 159s with minimal washers and fat wheels.


Usually if you can freeze on the underside of the board, 149s have only four hole baseplates, but 159+ in standard have six holes, so the two extra at the front.  Might be a long shot, but I have seen things like that before, eg Evan Smith Indy setup video, where he has one 149 and one 159... whatever, hey.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlMKRqmzLj0

That clip is on his Instagram and that's what he did yeah, crazy. I was actually thinking whether those could be the 139's given how agile he was in that clip :-[ But it looks like that's out of the question nowadays.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9893 on: March 02, 2021, 02:13:47 AM »
Jaakko responded to me, he's riding 149s.

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« Reply #9894 on: March 02, 2021, 02:33:06 AM »
Jaakko responded to me, he's riding 149s.

Sweet!

Most normal (nice) people reply more to questions about their board setups than other weird questions, but I think it would get pretty crazy being asked every second post all the same questions, as I have seen on some comments of some pro riders, including some on here too, eg "What pants are those tho???" and "what place is this?" etc.


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9895 on: March 02, 2021, 05:25:39 AM »
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Jaakko responded to me, he's riding 149s.
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Sweet!

Most normal (nice) people reply more to questions about their board setups than other weird questions, but I think it would get pretty crazy being asked every second post all the same questions, as I have seen on some comments of some pro riders, including some on here too, eg "What pants are those tho???" and "what place is this?" etc.


https://www.instagram.com/p/CLfQbgtFG8l/

That's why skaters should do more stuff like My Indys :) He has some amazing dexterity with those big trucks.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9896 on: March 02, 2021, 08:44:37 AM »
The last year of this thread is basically people's experiments getting Ventures to turn well and problems with Ace QC

I feel seen. I had Ace 44s which had a bent axle and switched it up for some Venture 5.8 V-Lights. Both are stock and so far, I'm really liking the Ventures.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9897 on: March 05, 2021, 10:43:04 PM »
the current set up:
5.6 Cast Highs
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Top washer on bottom and Bones washer on top

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« Reply #9898 on: March 06, 2021, 06:08:43 AM »
Much thanks to everyone...I put med bones in my mag lights and it is a sick combo, just like you said it would be. There was zero break-in time.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9899 on: March 07, 2021, 07:25:03 AM »

Skateboards and angle grinders might not seem like a good combination, but it is the most common power tool I use for fixing and cleaning up old parts, mainly wheels and in this case, the kingpins on moderately grinded down Indy trucks.
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These came to me from someone who was starting to have issues with the kingpin catching on grinds and with the trucks worn down to the point where there was minimal clearance, I took a few mm off the kingpins and now they grind nicely again.
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I can still get the kingpin nut off and back on easily enough, but as with other trucks I have done this to in the past, I get the bushings set up to where I like them, low heads of course so there is much more clearance, and then grind down the kingpin to just on the nut and it is good to go.
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I forgot to take pics of the trucks before taking the grinder to them, but compared to standard Stage XI Independent trucks that have a lot of clearance when new, they look more like the older stages, or some other truck brands where the kingpin is not even one single mm under the hanger from new. Now there is about 5 mm or so clearance, which is plenty.


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