Truck set-ups

[Mbrimson88]

Going to buy and try some of the pivot cups then. Need new bushings too, standard Indy bushings way too soft. I've been running deluxe supercush purple I think they are 97a and they are little too hard. What Indy bushings would you recommend for my 99kg (218lb) ass? I'm thinking either the 96a yellow or 94a black.

You could also mix and match with what you currently have, just to feel them out, eg use the harder supercush 97a bottoms and the softer Indy stock 90a tops, then try the reverse of that and see how much it changes things.

[jay_nev]

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Going to buy and try some of the pivot cups then. Need new bushings too, standard Indy bushings way too soft. I've been running deluxe supercush purple I think they are 97a and they are little too hard. What Indy bushings would you recommend for my 99kg (218lb) ass? I'm thinking either the 96a yellow or 94a black.

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The yellow 96s feel harder than the purple 97s IMO. I fluctuate between 190 and 205 and the blue barrel 92s are amazing in every set of indys I've tried.

good to know, thanks. Have the purple 97a but 92 sound like a perfect middle ground. Want to try those if I set up a pair of indy’s again.

[Kaydubbb]

Bought some of the riptide pivot cups and some black Indy 94a bushings. Will report back!

[Diocletian]

All modern standard trucks fit the same as the pivot holes in baseplates are within very specific measurements, in the same way that kingpins, axle nuts, bearings sizes are all standard, so the width and depth of the pivot hole, and the size of the hanger "thumb" are pretty much universal.

That is to say all the trucks I have that I have measured including Indy, Ace, Thunder, Venture, Theeve, Destructo, Crail and some other cheaper trucks, just not Penny (which are smaller) or longboard style or other weird versions of non normal shaped trucks (which are larger or tube shaped).

This is interesting. I would think the pivot cavity and the pivot "nub" on the hanger would all vary enough to where Riptide would indeed need to make custom molds but perhaps they aren't telling the whole truth in terms of a lot of truck pivots don't even need to be custom molds?

[j....soy.....]

I'm pretty sure at some point riptide made a thunder specific cup....that said, Ben D made a vid and told me that the Indy/Bennet ones worked fine and I believe riptide recommends the same....I tried it...seems good.

[Mbrimson88]

I'm pretty sure at some point riptide made a thunder specific cup....that said, Ben D made a vid and told me that the Indy/Bennet ones worked fine and I believe riptide recommends the same....I tried it...seems good.

They actually have them listed and sell them as specific brand pivot cups on their site, but it would seem that they are all the same pivot cups as well, just the two different options though - green and blue.

I have never seen Riptide pivot cups in person, but the Indy specific branded pivot cups are the same as the Thunder specific branded pivot cups that I have here and both fit in any trucks I have put them in.  The only difference seems to be the generic Indy / Thunder pivot cups are not as good quality as Riptides, so I guess that is a plus for getting Riptides.

[TwisT]

anyone know why some Lizzies have the baseplate crest and some don't?

[Diocletian]

There's a thread on it. The cross got cancelled.

[j....soy.....]

Womyn's right to choose.....

[Fat Tire]

8.25 trucks on an 8.5 board.

Thoughts?

Curious about stability. Currently paired with spitfire classics.

[Paperclip20]

8.25 trucks on an 8.5 board.

Thoughts?

Curious about stability. Currently paired with spitfire classics.

Perfectly fine IMO, I've done it many times no stability issues, maybe throw an extra speed ring on the inside

[BMCsteve]

I got some 215s for a Heroin Mutant setup.  Placed on an 8.5 w/ 149s for scale 

I was going to put the indy aftermarket bushings in but the stock top bushing is way taller.  I'll probably swap the baseplates to the reverse kingpins when they are released

[j....soy.....]

That's a tight wheelbase....

[Mbrimson88]

I got some 215s for a Heroin Mutant setup.  Placed on an 8.5 w/ 149s for scale 

I was going to put the indy aftermarket bushings in but the stock top bushing is way taller.  I'll probably swap the baseplates to the reverse kingpins when they are released

I like the lower tops (and it will not affect the skate at all) but you can have the nut down lower for less drag or if you like them loose, you will get the nut on cleanly without having to stop to tighten it every second run the way some people used to when the bushings were too hard.

Stock definitely work if you like the 90 duro feel.  What duro did you get in the aftermarkets?

[Mesteezo]

So I just set up my first set of Thunders (standard 149s) on my 8.5 Anti hero and I don’t think I’ll be going back to Indys . This shit fucking rocks. Better turn, better pop, and frontside slappies just click now.

Now my truck madness is creeping in and I’m starting to wonder what my options are as far as bushings go. I ride loose but not wobbly loose, is it worth replacing the stock bushings with something else? The stocks feel good to me as is but do they harden over time? How are the deluxe super cush?  I don’t like bones bushings at all so that’s a no.

[Slayer666]

So I just set up my first set of Thunders (standard 149s) on my 8.5 Anti hero and I don’t think I’ll be going back to Indys . This shit fucking rocks. Better turn, better pop, and frontside slappies just click now.

Now my truck madness is creeping in and I’m starting to wonder what my options are as far as bushings go. I ride loose but not wobbly loose, is it worth replacing the stock bushings with something else? The stocks feel good to me as is but do they harden over time? How are the deluxe super cush?  I don’t like bones bushings at all so that’s a no.

yea just break them in they turn the best with the stock bushings I’ve tested others not sure about supercush

[front_crooks]

8.18 board
Thunder 148 hollows (stock, no washers removed or replacement bushings)
52mm Spitfire Formula 4 classics or tablets

Thinking about trying Ventures.  Rode only Ventures from 1997 to 2005, got back into skating years ago (off and on) and I guess I figured I'd try Thunders or Indy's like everybody else did apparently.  Went to the park years ago and saw that I was the only one on skinny venture lows and a 7.75.

[Beeker]

So I just set up my first set of Thunders (standard 149s) on my 8.5 Anti hero and I don’t think I’ll be going back to Indys . This shit fucking rocks. Better turn, better pop, and frontside slappies just click now.

Now my truck madness is creeping in and I’m starting to wonder what my options are as far as bushings go. I ride loose but not wobbly loose, is it worth replacing the stock bushings with something else? The stocks feel good to me as is but do they harden over time? How are the deluxe super cush?  I don’t like bones bushings at all so that’s a no.

imho stock are a fine choice in thunders the main issue is that they tend to crumble after a while, but you can also skate them crumbled for a pretty damn long time sometimes. I can't remember what they do while breaking in, if you want looser or harder just try the next duro over. Ace classic bottom/stock top is also fairly popular for good reason (my personal favorite), you can get pretty loose and turny but add a little stability/less wheelbite, it takes a while to break in though and can be pretty rough at first.

[Mesteezo]

imho stock are a fine choice in thunders the main issue is that they tend to crumble after a while, but you can also skate them crumbled for a pretty damn long time sometimes. I can't remember what they do while breaking in, if you want looser or harder just try the next duro over. Ace classic bottom/stock top is also fairly popular for good reason (my personal favorite), you can get pretty loose and turny but add a little stability/less wheelbite, it takes a while to break in though and can be pretty rough at first.

yea just break them in they turn the best with the stock bushings I’ve tested others not sure about supercush

Sick, good to know. Stock it is!

[ballintoohard]

Best stock bushings I've used, literally never adjusted a Thunder kingpin nut.

[Mbrimson88]

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So I just set up my first set of Thunders (standard 149s) on my 8.5 Anti hero and I don’t think I’ll be going back to Indys . This shit fucking rocks. Better turn, better pop, and frontside slappies just click now.

Now my truck madness is creeping in and I’m starting to wonder what my options are as far as bushings go. I ride loose but not wobbly loose, is it worth replacing the stock bushings with something else? The stocks feel good to me as is but do they harden over time? How are the deluxe super cush?  I don’t like bones bushings at all so that’s a no.

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imho stock are a fine choice in thunders the main issue is that they tend to crumble after a while, but you can also skate them crumbled for a pretty damn long time sometimes. I can't remember what they do while breaking in, if you want looser or harder just try the next duro over. Ace classic bottom/stock top is also fairly popular for good reason (my personal favorite), you can get pretty loose and turny but add a little stability/less wheelbite, it takes a while to break in though and can be pretty rough at first.

Re Thunder bushings - yes stock bushings are good, even if they start to come away a little in one area on the bottom bushing (usually heavy heel landings) they can be turned around and still skated fine for a long time as I have pointed out to lots of people who were asking about buying new bushings.


I have tried the Thunder "bushing rebuild kits", the red 90, the blue 95 and the black 100 all skate fine but take a bit to get nice and worn in.  I am not a fan of the metallic coloured nuts and washers, but they do come with pivot cups as well, so for the price, they are also pretty good.

[JugeL]

I was a Thunder guy for 10 years. Lately been on other trucks to kind of test the field but other reason was that got annoyed because those stock bushings would get destroyed so fast. I ride my trucks stock loose and still those bushings would just explode.

Last set i rode, i changed Indy conical bushings which are same height but little wider and didn't have any problems with them.

[Fat Tire]

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8.25 trucks on an 8.5 board.

Thoughts?

Curious about stability. Currently paired with spitfire classics.

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Perfectly fine IMO, I've done it many times no stability issues, maybe throw an extra speed ring on the inside

Set it up yesterday and it works great thanks

[depresseddingo]

ACE with 1$ inverted kingpin from German eBay.
Works just fine so far. I already had my top bushing cut half so I don't know how a stock one would fit.

[rocklobster]

Ended up with a pair of Indy 139 from a buddy that were pretty used but still had some life. While taking it apart I realized the threads on the axle nut had been stripped to the extent that the nut can't be remove. Turning it just caused the nut to spin on the axle with zero movement up the thread.

Anyone have any advice on how to remove a stuck axle nut? I don't have access to a workshop or heavy machine so cutting is not an option.

[hiljentaa]

Can you tighten it at all right now?

If so, I'd tighten it as much as possible to expose the threads, then just file at 45* the most gnarled bits.

[stets]

ACE with 1$ inverted kingpin from German eBay.
Works just fine so far. I already had my top bushing cut half so I don't know how a stock one would fit.

Yooooo send that kingpin eBay link!!

[Mesteezo]

I would try heating up the nut with a torch or a lighter to expand it, and then try taking a wrench to it.

[BL0B]

Ended up with a pair of Indy 139 from a buddy that were pretty used but still had some life. While taking it apart I realized the threads on the axle nut had been stripped to the extent that the nut can't be remove. Turning it just caused the nut to spin on the axle with zero movement up the thread.

Anyone have any advice on how to remove a stuck axle nut? I don't have access to a workshop or heavy machine so cutting is not an option.

a Dremel with a cut off wheel will bust a nut.

[moonordie]

No cross in Ti149, interesting. Kinda miss it.