Truck set-ups

[unregisteredhypercam2]

the red 88a are outrageously hard for what is called soft. i really don't understand it. do the people at independent not realize this?

[Boog]

the red 88a are outrageously hard for what is called soft. i really don't understand it. do the people at independent not realize this?

Either they are oblivious or they just don't care. The blue bushings are definitely softer then the reds. It's weird.

[goodatmeth]

the red 88a are outrageously hard for what is called soft. i really don't understand it. do the people at independent not realize this?

I hate these bushings and tried an experiment a few days ago. Boiling them for only 1-3 minutes made them super soft, but as soon as they cooled down they were just as hard as before. Then I boiled them for at least 10 minutes and now they're permanently as squishy soft as the 78a bushings. They don't even get hard when it's freezing outside. So there might be a specific boiling time that makes them perfect.

[LebowskisRug]

Huh, well that’s funky. My main goal is to prevent continuing to crack my front top bushings so I thought harder might be the way and it sounds like I thus need reds instead.

[Mbrimson88]

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the red 88a are outrageously hard for what is called soft. i really don't understand it. do the people at independent not realize this?

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I hate these bushings and tried an experiment a few days ago. Boiling them for only 1-3 minutes made them super soft, but as soon as they cooled down they were just as hard as before. Then I boiled them for at least 10 minutes and now they're permanently as squishy soft as the 78a bushings. They don't even get hard when it's freezing outside. So there might be a specific boiling time that makes them perfect.

Never heard of that before, but if it works, then at least it is an option.

I know people have just single boiled them, eg dropped them in the kettle and put it on, but haven't heard of consistently boiling them for that long.

Huh, well that’s funky. My main goal is to prevent continuing to crack my front top bushings so I thought harder might be the way and it sounds like I thus need reds instead.

Got a pic?

I always like to see pics, but that is just me.


If they are just flaking away a bit on the outside, that is usual and nothing to worry about.  If they are actually cracking right through, then that is more a faulty product and warranty issue.  I had some returned with successful warranty when the person was adament they had a fault.  Most of the time people just say it was only a few dollars and don't bother though.

[LebowskisRug]

It basically looks like the washer is digging in and shaving off the tip of the top bushing and then it did it so much it weakened the side of it and it cracked. I was out skating so it kept digging into the crack and started crumbling.

[zozu]

Bought some Indy 88a conical bushings to revive/sell an old set of 149s, testing them out they feel terrible like they dont turn anywhere near how I remember Indys turning. Have I just been spoiled by Ace/Lurpiv?

They feel like they would work better in Thunders, just wondering if anyone has tried that and if it works.

[manysnakes]

Bought some Indy 88a conical bushings to revive/sell an old set of 149s, testing them out they feel terrible like they dont turn anywhere near how I remember Indys turning. Have I just been spoiled by Ace/Lurpiv?

They feel like they would work better in Thunders, just wondering if anyone has tried that and if it works.

The red, "soft", 88a Indy bushings are universally acknowledged to be a complete pile of shit. The standard orange medium bushings are noticeably softer.

[zozu]

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Bought some Indy 88a conical bushings to revive/sell an old set of 149s, testing them out they feel terrible like they dont turn anywhere near how I remember Indys turning. Have I just been spoiled by Ace/Lurpiv?

They feel like they would work better in Thunders, just wondering if anyone has tried that and if it works.

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The red, "soft", 88a Indy bushings are universally acknowledged to be a complete pile of shit. The standard orange medium bushings are noticeably softer.

well they certainly feel like a pile of shit

[BartHarleyJarvis]

I went through a ton of bushing madness on my indys and eventually came all the way back around to stock indy orange bushings. I'm 6'4", 195 pounds and like my trucks medium-loose, I want them to have a nice carve but be stable when setting up for tricks. I'm definitely heavier than a lot of people, so figured I needed harder bushings. I tried:

-Bones Hard - Way too hard, didn't ride for longer than a couple sessions
-DohDohs Red - Felt really good, actually ran these for a while until the top bushing completely exploded. Even rotated the top bushing a couple of times to keep them going
-Indy Black 94a hard standard cylinder: again, felt pretty good until the top bushing exploded. I also ran the Black barrel bushing with an orange top bushing for a bit. Rode ok and looked halloween-y which was fun
Indy Blue 92a Medium Hard conical: Rode these the longest, they actually felt harder than the blacks after a while. As other people have pointed out, the Blue bushings definitely feel harder than some of the "softer" bushings. They're still in good shape after 6+ months of skating

I hit the axle on my Indy Forged Hollows so I moved them to my cruiser and I got a set of Indy Ti's for christmas. The secret for me was committing to breaking in the stock bushings properly. I've always been too impatient. My process was:

-Installed the trucks and didn't touch the kingpin bolt, left it stock.
-I skated the trucks like that for 2 weeks, maybe 5-6 sessions where I specifically rode my board forward and backwards, and nothing too intense. Carves, basic mini ramp runs, frontside and backside 50-50s.
-Towards the end of the break in session, I started throwing in some frontside and backside slappies, both forward and backwards.

After that, I tightened the kingpin nut ~1/2 a turn and found my ideal tightness pretty quickly. I've been running these trucks about 6 weeks now and they feel perfect. My board does have a slight turn still, but nothing extreme where it messes with me. I did notice a little crack on one of the upper bushings were the washer is hitting it on deep turns, but hopefully they hold up.

[manysnakes]

Every aftermarket Indy bushing seems to suck. I feel like they're designed around the orange medium bushings and that's the way that they skate best.

[logjammin]

Yeah I never tried the red 88a Indy aftermarkets but I've tried all the others and they don't rebound very well, just overall a very "meh" bushing choice for me. Everyone hypes up Ace bushings and it's true, they're lively the whole way through. Thunder and the DLX bait n tackle aftermarkets are better than the Indy's too, imo.

[tzhangdox]

Can't speak for anyone else but the indy blues have always treated me well. Had a set in my ventures (just the top bushing) for a while and lasted wayyyy longer than stock venture bushings.

[Boog]

Can't speak for anyone else but the indy blues have always treated me well. Had a set in my ventures (just the top bushing) for a while and lasted wayyyy longer than stock venture bushings.

I've never had a problem with the blue bushings either. They seem to rebound back to center amazingly and they are stable yet they turn great. Probably my favorite bushings.

[switchfrontshuv]

For yall info^

Im currently running 78a indy white bottom bushing + bottom washer + top bushing (no top washer) on venture for the winter. It turns squishy and only really freezes up at or around freezing, whereas the indy white bushing bottom + purple top with washers combo seems to work way better for warmer weather.

Id say the turn is really improved but yeah much happier I chose these over the red ones I was originally gonna buy. Curious about these blue bushings now hearing that they feel like a true in-between of the 78a aftermarket and the 90a aftermarket, could be a cool option for ventures.

[manysnakes]

Yeah I never tried the red 88a Indy aftermarkets but I've tried all the others and they don't rebound very well, just overall a very "meh" bushing choice for me. Everyone hypes up Ace bushings and it's true, they're lively the whole way through. Thunder and the DLX bait n tackle aftermarkets are better than the Indy's too, imo.

Skating some leftover Ace Classics bushings in my
Indy 149s now and they’re a great addition. I don’t know if I’d run out and buy them, but if you’re through a set of Ace and have some bushings left over, give it a try. Better or worse is subjective, but they’re noticeably different in a pleasant way.

[Justrollingthru]

Setting up a board for the first time in a couple years tomorrow. Got it mostly figured out except trucks.

Torn between Indy mids and ventures cause that's what I've always ridden mostly.

Board is 8.25 x 31.5 w/ 14.25 wb

I skate all terrain.

[Frank and Fred]

Thunder might be a nice compromise

[Mbrimson88]

Setting up a board for the first time in a couple years tomorrow. Got it mostly figured out except trucks.

Torn between Indy mids and ventures cause that's what I've always ridden mostly.

Board is 8.25 x 31.5 w/ 14.25 wb

I skate all terrain.

Not to say don't get the Indy mids, but that inverted kingpin and other known issues make those trucks second to standard Ventures in almost every situation, and that is coming from me, a shop guy who prefers Indy over everything else for my own setups, even though I have some of almost everything still set up on boards that I have as spares or for others to skate at the indoor park - try before you buy type of deal.

Indy standards, or probably more so the hollow forged option would be better than Indy mids and more comparable to Venture trucks too, with so many people I know trying the Indy mids and going back to whatever they were on before as they just didn't like them as much, or at all.

Of course the decision is yours, but do your research and compare things like wheel size, board and wheelbase length, among others if you are really interested, otherwise get something that makes you happy and go from there.

[Ray C. Usery]

[LebowskisRug]

What known issues are there with Mids? I’ve only heard the kingpin thing from you and my set and my friend’s sets have been great.

[Mbrimson88]

What known issues are there with Mids? I’ve only heard the kingpin thing from you and my set and my friend’s sets have been great.

Some reviews say the height / weight / minimal kingpin clearance have people including pro riders taking them off after they do their "photo shoot" with them and putting their usual Indy standards or forged hollows back on.

The video review from Ron Whaley makes sense with the info he provided, although he is under NHS so people said of course he is going to give them a favourable review.

All up, if people are not keen on a 55mm tall truck in the standards, the hollow forged option at 53.5mm tall is pretty much the best go to, more so than the 52mm tall heavy Mid truck with kingpin clearance issues, but that is not to say that a lot of people will not skate them and like them all the same.

It is just one of those things that the Indy mid is maybe the most over hyped truck on the current market, with many of those trucks ending up used a bit and people just want to get rid of them.


If it was an option between Indy Mids and Ventures, most people I know would take the Ventures and have done, or gone back to the other Indy options.


* Edit - just curious too, but as per post above, do you have to retighten the kingpin down much or at all or have you done anything to it to keep it from continually coming undone?

That is also another annoying thing with the Indy Mid trucks that I forgot to say before.

[Justrollingthru]

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Setting up a board for the first time in a couple years tomorrow. Got it mostly figured out except trucks.

Torn between Indy mids and ventures cause that's what I've always ridden mostly.

Board is 8.25 x 31.5 w/ 14.25 wb

I skate all terrain.

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Not to say don't get the Indy mids, but that inverted kingpin and other known issues make those trucks second to standard Ventures in almost every situation, and that is coming from me, a shop guy who prefers Indy over everything else for my own setups, even though I have some of almost everything still set up on boards that I have as spares or for others to skate at the indoor park - try before you buy type of deal.

Indy standards, or probably more so the hollow forged option would be better than Indy mids and more comparable to Venture trucks too, with so many people I know trying the Indy mids and going back to whatever they were on before as they just didn't like them as much, or at all.

Of course the decision is yours, but do your research and compare things like wheel size, board and wheelbase length, among others if you are really interested, otherwise get something that makes you happy and go from there.

Word word

Right now I'm leaning hard towards the venture vlights and putting one Indy hard conical on bottom, leaving the top venture conical bushings and putting a flat washer on em.

Mostly leaning more towards the venture vlights cause they are cheaper than the standard stage 11s although I've mostly ridden indys (back to back to back pairs etc) ventures are in second.

[Mbrimson88]

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Setting up a board for the first time in a couple years tomorrow. Got it mostly figured out except trucks.

Torn between Indy mids and ventures cause that's what I've always ridden mostly.

Board is 8.25 x 31.5 w/ 14.25 wb

I skate all terrain.

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Not to say don't get the Indy mids, but that inverted kingpin and other known issues make those trucks second to standard Ventures in almost every situation, and that is coming from me, a shop guy who prefers Indy over everything else for my own setups, even though I have some of almost everything still set up on boards that I have as spares or for others to skate at the indoor park - try before you buy type of deal.

Indy standards, or probably more so the hollow forged option would be better than Indy mids and more comparable to Venture trucks too, with so many people I know trying the Indy mids and going back to whatever they were on before as they just didn't like them as much, or at all.

Of course the decision is yours, but do your research and compare things like wheel size, board and wheelbase length, among others if you are really interested, otherwise get something that makes you happy and go from there.

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Word word

Right now I'm leaning hard towards the venture vlights and putting one Indy hard conical on bottom, leaving the top venture conical bushings and putting a flat washer on em.

Mostly leaning more towards the venture vlights cause they are cheaper than the standard stage 11s although I've mostly ridden indys (back to back to back pairs etc) ventures are in second.

Venture has upped their game of late it seems, many old Indy riders now on or back on Venture, with decent trucks and quality parts.

The people I know who skate Ventures say kingpin clearance is good, the stability is great, the height at around 53mm is just right for normal sized wheels and a few other things, but I can definitely understand how a lot more people can skate Ventures and be happy after messing around with some on a few boards I have.

[Justrollingthru]

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Setting up a board for the first time in a couple years tomorrow. Got it mostly figured out except trucks.

Torn between Indy mids and ventures cause that's what I've always ridden mostly.

Board is 8.25 x 31.5 w/ 14.25 wb

I skate all terrain.

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Not to say don't get the Indy mids, but that inverted kingpin and other known issues make those trucks second to standard Ventures in almost every situation, and that is coming from me, a shop guy who prefers Indy over everything else for my own setups, even though I have some of almost everything still set up on boards that I have as spares or for others to skate at the indoor park - try before you buy type of deal.

Indy standards, or probably more so the hollow forged option would be better than Indy mids and more comparable to Venture trucks too, with so many people I know trying the Indy mids and going back to whatever they were on before as they just didn't like them as much, or at all.

Of course the decision is yours, but do your research and compare things like wheel size, board and wheelbase length, among others if you are really interested, otherwise get something that makes you happy and go from there.

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Word word

Right now I'm leaning hard towards the venture vlights and putting one Indy hard conical on bottom, leaving the top venture conical bushings and putting a flat washer on em.

Mostly leaning more towards the venture vlights cause they are cheaper than the standard stage 11s although I've mostly ridden indys (back to back to back pairs etc) ventures are in second.

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Venture has upped their game of late it seems, many old Indy riders now on or back on Venture, with decent trucks and quality parts.

The people I know who skate Ventures say kingpin clearance is good, the stability is great, the height at around 53mm is just right for normal sized wheels and a few other things, but I can definitely understand how a lot more people can skate Ventures and be happy after messing around with some on a few boards I have.

Ventures are super nostalgic for me. It was the first "cool" "real" truck that was recognizeable to me. I still had a world industries complete at this time bought from big 5 and I remember seeing an og pair of ventures on my friends older brothers board and they looked so cool to me. I always thought that "V" was super cool. But fuck it I'll ride anything really. I have royals on my zip zinger haha which still aren't broken and feel super sketchy to me

[Justrollingthru]

Chico is so sick. Ive definitely never gone wrong with Indy's, I've ridden them a lot. Probably done most of my best shit on Indy's but like Chico said I gotta mix it up

[Nth syd bear]

Hey Ace bushings in forged indys ?  The low bushings fit?

I've been using bones medium no bottom washer for about a year in indys
As comfortable as I find it I can tell its too wobbly from watching back shit I filmed

This thread is alot to go through I usually stay away from it 

[FrozenIndustries]

Hey Ace bushings in forged indys ?  The low bushings fit?

I've been using bones medium no bottom washer for about a year in indys
As comfortable as I find it I can tell its too wobbly from watching back shit I filmed

This thread is alot to go through I usually stay away from it 

They should work fine in the forged. Skating them in some standards with an IKP. Said it earlier but I have no interest in skating anything else.

[LebowskisRug]

Wait you're on the low or standard Ace Bushings?

I just put some blues in and transferred my riptides over from my Mids. I put the nuts back in the exact spot as my aftermarket 90A. They started out wayyyyy looser but across the first session firmed up a shitload and now are definitely firmer than the orange. I tried backing off the nut about a half turn and they felt more similar, but with faster rebound, which threw me off a bit. I might just go back to the oranges eventually but leaving them for now.

[LebowskisRug]

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What known issues are there with Mids? I’ve only heard the kingpin thing from you and my set and my friend’s sets have been great.

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Some reviews say the height / weight / minimal kingpin clearance have people including pro riders taking them off after they do their "photo shoot" with them and putting their usual Indy standards or forged hollows back on.

The video review from Ron Whaley makes sense with the info he provided, although he is under NHS so people said of course he is going to give them a favourable review.

All up, if people are not keen on a 55mm tall truck in the standards, the hollow forged option at 53.5mm tall is pretty much the best go to, more so than the 52mm tall heavy Mid truck with kingpin clearance issues, but that is not to say that a lot of people will not skate them and like them all the same.

It is just one of those things that the Indy mid is maybe the most over hyped truck on the current market, with many of those trucks ending up used a bit and people just want to get rid of them.


If it was an option between Indy Mids and Ventures, most people I know would take the Ventures and have done, or gone back to the other Indy options.


* Edit - just curious too, but as per post above, do you have to retighten the kingpin down much or at all or have you done anything to it to keep it from continually coming undone?

That is also another annoying thing with the Indy Mid trucks that I forgot to say before.

I haven't seen any evidence of people going back to other Indy's. From photos Reynolds, Tiago, AVE, Carlos Ribiero, and plenty of other riders are still on Mids. They do not extend the wheelbase like forged, the baseplate wears slower on slide marks, and personally I've had zero kingpin clearance issues with them. They're definitely heavier, but the hollows aren't that awful and I'm not sure lots of people really care about the weight.

I haven't had my kingpins come loose. I marked them to make sure. It happened to one friend who got replacement plates from Indy and it hasn't happened since.