Truck set-ups

[LebowskisRug]

So I don't get this. I've had the same exact precise deck on Forged Hollows and now cast inverted ti frankens that are basically like Standard Hollows in the following configs:

-FH and 54mm Loophole Teardrop (2)
-FH and 52mm Classic Full (3)
-SH and 52mm Classic Full (1)

The numbers are ranking the pop in a straightline, however, when rotating the difference is noticeable. Theoretically the FH and 54s should be the same as SH and 52's right?

And oddly cast Thunders and 52 was my childhood go-to and 148s with 52s has equal pop to this SH and 52 setup. Makes no sense.

[goodatmeth]

So I don't get this. I've had the same exact precise deck on Forged Hollows and now cast inverted ti frankens that are basically like Standard Hollows in the following configs:

-FH and 54mm Loophole Teardrop (2)
-FH and 52mm Classic Full (3)
-SH and 52mm Classic Full (1)

The numbers are ranking the pop in a straightline, however, when rotating the difference is noticeable. Theoretically the FH and 54s should be the same as SH and 52's right?

And oddly cast Thunders and 52 was my childhood go-to and 148s with 52s has equal pop to this SH and 52 setup. Makes no sense.

How are you measuring your pop? For me it's mostly muscle memory, I need a lot of time to get used to a different setup and then I get the same pop. So the best pop is simply on what feels the most comfortable at the moment.
And there's still a difference in weight, right?

[LebowskisRug]

I skate the same spots all the time. I can quickly setup my phone and use a ledge for reference for flatground tricks or tricks on the ledge and combine with how it felt.

The SH definitely take a bit more effort to pop, but it only took me about 5min of flat to adjust my timing slightly.

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I think that what you are finding with this experiment, is there is just more info at play, that is relevant, that is unaccounted for. Specifically the effect of the different trucks on leverage, and the potentially compounding effects adding in the deck geo and wheel sizes. I’m thinking different angles…but what I’m really thinking is I’ve go no idea what I’m on about here. I just think there is more that we do not know. I’m not sure why I’m taking the time to peck this out, as it’s not helpful.
I’ve had some startling moments with setups, some recently, in particular skating a board with a large wb, and getting great pop. Some of my highest Ollies were on relatively heavy setups. Lighter setups helped the pop of my flip tricks.
All I know is that I dunno 

[Spirit]

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Heya

I'm a big dude (6'3, 220-240lbs) and I now finally have some disposable income to buy proper trucks. Got the degree, found a decent job, all that fun stuff.
I never really had any specific requirements for trucks, mainly because I could only skate the cheapest garbage I could get my hands on like Silvers and Theeves. I currently have the basic Ace model, but I already had to change out the bushings twice, as I have it on the tightest to avoid wheel bites. I like the way they feel and I would like to keep something similar even though the good turning is a bit counter-intuitive in my case.
I mainly skate flat and am working on my ledge game.

I ride an 8.5 and just grab any wheels that I can get my hands on for cheap, currently some 55s I think.
Forgot to mention that I am based in EU (Czechia), so any US specific brands are a no-go

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Maybe Independent standards 144/149 or Film 5.5 (French brand so usually cheapest in EU). They are the highest trucks I know at 55mm, it should help you with wheelbites. You could also try some hard bushings, risers, or smaller wheels (50/52mm).

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Heya

I'm a big dude (6'3, 220-240lbs) and I now finally have some disposable income to buy proper trucks. Got the degree, found a decent job, all that fun stuff.
I never really had any specific requirements for trucks, mainly because I could only skate the cheapest garbage I could get my hands on like Silvers and Theeves. I currently have the basic Ace model, but I already had to change out the bushings twice, as I have it on the tightest to avoid wheel bites. I like the way they feel and I would like to keep something similar even though the good turning is a bit counter-intuitive in my case.
I mainly skate flat and am working on my ledge game.

I ride an 8.5 and just grab any wheels that I can get my hands on for cheap, currently some 55s I think.
Forgot to mention that I am based in EU (Czechia), so any US specific brands are a no-go

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Maybe Independent standards 144/149 or Film 5.5 (French brand so usually cheapest in EU). They are the highest trucks I know at 55mm, it should help you with wheelbites. You could also try some hard bushings, risers, or smaller wheels (50/52mm).

Thank a bunch!

[Richard Skidder]

Does anyone have an accurate measurement in grams of the weight of a Thunder Team Hollow 148?

[JugeL]

Saw 338g and 340g mentioned after quick search

[Richard Skidder]

Saw 338g and 340g mentioned after quick search

Thanks. I checked Tactics first and then Google search. My toddler is on sleep strike so I’m going on like 2hours total sleep in 48 hours. Didn’t even think to hit the search on here for it. Brain is currently melting.

[LewFarrell]

Saw 338g and 340g mentioned after quick search

This is accurate based on mine (336.5g skated 1.5months).

[Cooper808]

[Ronnie Rodriguez]

Those look really nice. AF1 hanger on a classic plate? What are the pivot cups?

[braksabbath]

Got a set of Indy standard hollow 149 on sale. One weighs 10g more than the other. Which doesn’t seem like much but my old set is axled on the rear and that’s also 10g lighter than the front. Doesn’t make sense. Do yourself a favor and don’t weigh anything ever.

[Mbrimson88]

Got a set of Indy standard hollow 149 on sale. One weighs 10g more than the other. Which doesn’t seem like much but my old set is axled on the rear and that’s also 10g lighter than the front. Doesn’t make sense. Do yourself a favor and don’t weigh anything ever.

If they are brand new, that is weird.  If they are used, the wear on the truck could account for the weight difference.

Now you have started, you should at least keep going, so take everything apart and check each baseplate and each hanger.

Not being a dick, just helping to sort out the difference and also curious as to where the difference is with those trucks.

[Mbrimson88]

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LAnyone have thoughts on differences/preferences as between indy forged hollows and standard hollows? Pop feel, stability, pinch etc?

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I don't ride Indys but if I had to I'm rocking forged baseplates, not a fan of the tall 55mm height. Would like to have try a Indy Low when they were still in production, 48.5mm puts them in the Venture 5.2 Lo and Thunder 147 Standard territory.

I probably shouldn't say, but I have a set of very minimally used Indy low 139s that don't have a home.

It is funny because at one stage these things would have been so highly sought after, but nowdays, no one seems to want the 8" Indy low trucks.

Pretty much everyone I skate with are on at least normal hollow forged or standard 148s or more likely 149s and up nowdays.

[j....soy.....]

I prefer cast just because they look better, that said I don’t like high trucks….venture high=forged, thunder=cast. If I skated Indy’s I’d prolly skate forged.  Can’t win ‘‘em all….

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LAnyone have thoughts on differences/preferences as between indy forged hollows and standard hollows? Pop feel, stability, pinch etc?

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I don't ride Indys but if I had to I'm rocking forged baseplates, not a fan of the tall 55mm height. Would like to have try a Indy Low when they were still in production, 48.5mm puts them in the Venture 5.2 Lo and Thunder 147 Standard territory.

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I probably shouldn't say, but I have a set of very minimally used Indy low 139s that don't have a home.

It is funny because at one stage these things would have been so highly sought after, but nowdays, no one seems to want the 8" Indy low trucks.

Pretty much everyone I skate with are on at least normal hollow forged or standard 148s or more likely 149s and up nowdays.

@rothdigga

[Mbrimson88]

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LAnyone have thoughts on differences/preferences as between indy forged hollows and standard hollows? Pop feel, stability, pinch etc?

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I don't ride Indys but if I had to I'm rocking forged baseplates, not a fan of the tall 55mm height. Would like to have try a Indy Low when they were still in production, 48.5mm puts them in the Venture 5.2 Lo and Thunder 147 Standard territory.

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I probably shouldn't say, but I have a set of very minimally used Indy low 139s that don't have a home.

It is funny because at one stage these things would have been so highly sought after, but nowdays, no one seems to want the 8" Indy low trucks.

Pretty much everyone I skate with are on at least normal hollow forged or standard 148s or more likely 149s and up nowdays.

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@rothdigga

I already offered, but didn't have a reply.

Might be he has enough now to last as long as needed, or has per others, finding the mids work well enough for what they want.

[braksabbath]

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Got a set of Indy standard hollow 149 on sale. One weighs 10g more than the other. Which doesn’t seem like much but my old set is axled on the rear and that’s also 10g lighter than the front. Doesn’t make sense. Do yourself a favor and don’t weigh anything ever.

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If they are brand new, that is weird.  If they are used, the wear on the truck could account for the weight difference.

Now you have started, you should at least keep going, so take everything apart and check each baseplate and each hanger.

Not being a dick, just helping to sort out the difference and also curious as to where the difference is with those trucks.

The hanger and baseplate on one is 6g and 4g heavier than the other. If I swap them around both trucks come out evenly to 380g, which is 10g heavier than the 370g they’re spec’d at.

[munchbox]

anyone know who makes thinner bottom washers?

[LebowskisRug]

If you go to a hardware store like an Ace hardware that has a good bulk section you can find thinner washers often, but they’re likely not even a full mm thinner than normal. Most washers are thinner in the middle than the cupped section.

[lazer69]

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was gonna change my bushings n the ventures. go to try to slip tool in it wont go in and i see this.

I hope i can find a chisel here

[Bror]

I got some venture hi's off the swedish ebay for my cruiser. Wheels on it is 60mm super juices.

1. Is it a stupid truck choice since the venture turn is quick to wheelbite? Gonna go risers ofc but still..

2. How do u setup yours to get em more surfy feely?

[LewFarrell]

I got some venture hi's off the swedish ebay for my cruiser. Wheels on it is 60mm super juices.

1. Is it a stupid truck choice since the venture turn is quick to wheelbite? Gonna go risers ofc but still..

2. How do u setup yours to get em more surfy feely?

I don't find that Ventures wheelbite easily, not like Thunders at least. With those big soft wheels any wheelbite will be noticable though.

Using a flat Bones style washer on the top bushing will definitely make the trucks feel more surfy, as well as rocking softer bushings. I see a lot of people with Bones softs on Venture hi's. I also think the Indy red conical bushings should work well although I haven't personally tried it.

[JugeL]

I got some venture hi's off the swedish ebay for my cruiser. Wheels on it is 60mm super juices.

1. Is it a stupid truck choice since the venture turn is quick to wheelbite? Gonna go risers ofc but still..

2. How do u setup yours to get em more surfy feely?

I used to skate venture hi's with 60mm spitfire classics. Used 1/8 riser and it was manageable. I could do all my flatground and slappy stuff okay. Couldn't really surf that much  so i would say go for bigger riser if you really wanna cruise.

[PuffinMuffin]

I got some venture hi's off the swedish ebay for my cruiser. Wheels on it is 60mm super juices.

1. Is it a stupid truck choice since the venture turn is quick to wheelbite? Gonna go risers ofc but still..

2. How do u setup yours to get em more surfy feely?

A flat washer under the bottom bushing cup. Changes the geometry slightly for less wheel bite.

[j....soy.....]

I actually don’t think this is a dumb idea….they don’t carve that well, but at the same time, you can really lean into them. 

[devourthehours]

Indy Titaniums broke on me in the middle of the 50-50. I think ive skated these 5 times:



Already sent a warranty request. Swapped to some Thunder Hollow Lights to give them a shot.

[Mbrimson88]

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was gonna change my bushings n the ventures. go to try to slip tool in it wont go in and i see this.

I hope i can find a chisel here

Best thing for that is a 9/16" spanner or a smaller size adjustable wrench.

I found that a number of trucks always would have issues, mainly Thunder, but some Venture low and other brands where the hanger dropped towards the kingpin, so having one of these on hand was always a good idea.

Just a simple set of beefy pliers might also help with that bit of metal that is sitting over it too.

[logjammin]

I don't wanna get anyone in trouble so I'll just say a well-known person in the NHS camp relocated in recent years near me and told a good friend of mine that Indy is coming out with a stage 12 soon.

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I don't wanna get anyone in trouble so I'll just say a well-known person in the NHS camp relocated in recent years near me and told a good friend of mine that Indy is coming out with a stage 12 soon.

Oh shit.
Indys have never been my favorite, I’ve always felt like something wasn’t quite the way I wanted it, but the versatility/quality was always notable. Unless someone had a specific reason otherwise, Indy was the way to go, a baseline if you will. The branding, the nhs vs dlx, the outside of skating fan club, all of that always sucked tho.
From a consumer standpoint, it’s pretty cool how many quality options there are. It’s truck wars, and for sure the image stuff for all brands is important, but performance seems to be driving it more and more
Be cool to hear what these are about