Truck set-ups

[beatifk]

I have been skating mostly Ace for several years and recently bought a set of Thunder to try out and I dislike the sound of them for the complete opposite reason. My board now sounds hollow and insignificant.

But who really cares about the sound if the board feels ok?

[Roisto]

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This is interesting about the Ace pop sound. Maybe I should do a direct comparison with some other trucks I have. I do remember having loose kingpin Aces and popping on those made a thud-sound instead of a crisp snap until I fixed them.

I posted this earlier but Ace uses a completely different alloy than (most? all?) other trucks. Without heat treatment it's about the same hardness as the heat treated Indys/Thunders/Ventures and according to the Ace website only the axles are heat treated. This probably has an effect on many aspects of their performance.

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Hmm maybe my kingpins are loose. Is the only way to check taking the hangar off? How would i go about fixing them, if so?

I can’t think of any other way. I fixed mine with some “steel epoxy”. I heard JB Weld is what is used in the US.

I don't understand why a loose kingpin would make your board sound dead...

This is a good question to which I don’t have a definite answer to. Maybe the loose kingpin absorbs the impact from the board hitting the ground making the pop sound less crispy? I’m just guessing here. 🤔

[munchbox]

this idea has probably already been posted but i really like this truck setup.

Venture 6.1
Bones Hard top bushing
Thunder stock 92a roadside

on two bones hards, the stability was insane but the turn took all my lean and wouldnt max out at stock tightness. with the softer roadside bushing, i get more responsive turns and almost all the same amount of stability.

[Diocletian]

Random helpful tip if anyone buys trucks that have a small to medium size spot where there’s a graphic or some sort of decal on it: razor blade for the main removal method and then a dry Mr Clean magic eraser to do a finishing polish and it will all vanish without a trace. Did it on my Theeve hanger where it says “TiAX” with the logo next to the letters. Was starting to bug me, looks much better fully raw.

[j....soy.....]

Have you found a way to get that pesky : theeve off the baseplate? 

[Heywoodfloyd]

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This is interesting about the Ace pop sound. Maybe I should do a direct comparison with some other trucks I have. I do remember having loose kingpin Aces and popping on those made a thud-sound instead of a crisp snap until I fixed them.

I posted this earlier but Ace uses a completely different alloy than (most? all?) other trucks. Without heat treatment it's about the same hardness as the heat treated Indys/Thunders/Ventures and according to the Ace website only the axles are heat treated. This probably has an effect on many aspects of their performance.

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Hmm maybe my kingpins are loose. Is the only way to check taking the hangar off? How would i go about fixing them, if so?

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I can’t think of any other way. I fixed mine with some “steel epoxy”. I heard JB Weld is what is used in the US.

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I don't understand why a loose kingpin would make your board sound dead...

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This is a good question to which I don’t have a definite answer to. Maybe the loose kingpin absorbs the impact from the board hitting the ground making the pop sound less crispy? I’m just guessing here. 🤔

Yeah, i think it has to do with resonance, the same principals that makes instruments like xylophones work, you strike the wooden blocks and they start to vibrate, creating sound. Loose kingpins and softer materials dampens the sound, the vibrations can't be transferd through the truck, or something like that.

[Diocletian]

Have you found a way to get that pesky : theeve off the baseplate?

I don’t ever really see the “Theeve” in between the mounting nuts but I do frequently see the logo on the part in front of the kingpin and I admit I wish it wasn’t there, but that isn’t going away haha.

[fang]

What's the weight difference on Indy standards vs ace?

[SkateDesign]

I like magnesium Tensor trucks. The lightness helps you pop higher, so they're my favorite trucks.

[tuesday]

regarding lightness: I don't understand why Thunder does not have 151 Titaniums. I would buy them in an instance.

[palelight]

What's the weight difference on Indy standards vs ace?

If you're talking 149's vs 44's they're basically the same. Around 388-390g per truck. Once Ace comes out with their 8.5" 55's I'm guessing they'll be closer to 400g or heavier with the beefed up hanger etc.

Edit: Weighed them again. My scale is accurate-ish (no decimal points, so take these with a grain of salt), weighed the Aces at 392-394g, Indy's at 398-400g. Can't tell a difference in the hand, unlike if you palm a Venture forged and an Indy cast, where it's very noticeable. 

[freeclout]

Had to pick up some new Riptides for my 6.1's.  These pivot cups are the only piece of skate gear that I never regret buying and improve the trucks 100% of the time.  Not to mention, they eliminate all squeaking

Just about to order some of these for my new Thunders. Never used Thunders before and they're feeling odd at the moment, even with 97a thunder bushings, coming from Ventures with Bone hards. Also looking to try some of the Riptide bushings too...
Any idea what riptide bushings work in Thunders best. Reckon i want 96a barrels on the bottom as i like a stable set up, especially at the back.

[chris.]

Took of the recommendation of Ventures with stock bushings and Bones top washer and it feels fantastic.

[anon]

anybody try something like this?

[arrbee]

anybody try something like this?

Is this someone skating 2 different trucks or was this to symbolize the exodus from indy to venture?

[sadnocomply]

anybody try something like this?

Ahhhh the good ol ventipendent ala indenture or simply vindy eh?

[stets]

Random helpful tip if anyone buys trucks that have a small to medium size spot where there’s a graphic or some sort of decal on it: razor blade for the main removal method and then a dry Mr Clean magic eraser to do a finishing polish and it will all vanish without a trace. Did it on my Theeve hanger where it says “TiAX” with the logo next to the letters. Was starting to bug me, looks much better fully raw.

Scrubbing with acetone should do the trick too! Just make sure to do it in a ventilated area and wear some rubber gloves.

[Fuxxl]

Hey Guys do you think I can use the baseplate of venture lows 5.25 with a venture lights 5.8 hanger to get a cast venture?

[texasplant]

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Random helpful tip if anyone buys trucks that have a small to medium size spot where there’s a graphic or some sort of decal on it: razor blade for the main removal method and then a dry Mr Clean magic eraser to do a finishing polish and it will all vanish without a trace. Did it on my Theeve hanger where it says “TiAX” with the logo next to the letters. Was starting to bug me, looks much better fully raw.

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Scrubbing with acetone should do the trick too! Just make sure to do it in a ventilated area and wear some rubber gloves.

Have also had success with eucalyptus oil funnily enough.

[tzhangdox]

anybody try something like this?

Has science gone too far?

[moonordie]

anybody try something like this?

You mean skating Diadoras?

[sneakpeekmeek]

Hey Guys do you think I can use the baseplate of venture lows 5.25 with a venture lights 5.8 hanger to get a cast venture?

that's fine.

[Xen]

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Had to pick up some new Riptides for my 6.1's.  These pivot cups are the only piece of skate gear that I never regret buying and improve the trucks 100% of the time.  Not to mention, they eliminate all squeaking

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Just about to order some of these for my new Thunders. Never used Thunders before and they're feeling odd at the moment, even with 97a thunder bushings, coming from Ventures with Bone hards. Also looking to try some of the Riptide bushings too...
Any idea what riptide bushings work in Thunders best. Reckon i want 96a barrels on the bottom as i like a stable set up, especially at the back.

I went through a long email chain with them on this very subject, they never had a real answer (which I took to mean nothing will).

Personally barrel bottoms on Thunders are meh, they just deaden the turn to me.

[whenyousleep]

5.2 low ventures with 88 supercush bushings and riptides for me

[palelight]

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Hey Guys do you think I can use the baseplate of venture lows 5.25 with a venture lights 5.8 hanger to get a cast venture?

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that's fine.

Ehhh. Low baseplate is going to have a shorter kingpin than the 5.8 (which they only make in high's). Probably different geometry overall as well. You can always try and see what happens. If the hanger doesn't sit flat against the bottom bushing, or if the kingpin nut barely catches threads, probably not going to work.

[sneakpeekmeek]

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Hey Guys do you think I can use the baseplate of venture lows 5.25 with a venture lights 5.8 hanger to get a cast venture?

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that's fine.

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Ehhh. Low baseplate is going to have a shorter kingpin than the 5.8 (which they only make in high's). Probably different geometry overall as well. You can always try and see what happens. If the hanger doesn't sit flat against the bottom bushing, or if the kingpin nut barely catches threads, probably not going to work.

venture hi and venture low bushings are the same exactly height for both top and bottom if i remember correctly. i dont see why it wouldn't work.

[palelight]

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Hey Guys do you think I can use the baseplate of venture lows 5.25 with a venture lights 5.8 hanger to get a cast venture?

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that's fine.

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Ehhh. Low baseplate is going to have a shorter kingpin than the 5.8 (which they only make in high's). Probably different geometry overall as well. You can always try and see what happens. If the hanger doesn't sit flat against the bottom bushing, or if the kingpin nut barely catches threads, probably not going to work.

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venture hi and venture low bushings are the same exactly height for both top and bottom if i remember correctly. i dont see why it wouldn't work.

Yeah? Alright. Only have experience with the high's. If the bushings/kingpin are the same height I'd have to imagine a change in geometry is responsible for making them low. Which if that's the case, might be an issue running a high hanger. But if he has both, it wouldn't hurt anything to try.

[freeclout]

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Had to pick up some new Riptides for my 6.1's.  These pivot cups are the only piece of skate gear that I never regret buying and improve the trucks 100% of the time.  Not to mention, they eliminate all squeaking

[close]

Just about to order some of these for my new Thunders. Never used Thunders before and they're feeling odd at the moment, even with 97a thunder bushings, coming from Ventures with Bone hards. Also looking to try some of the Riptide bushings too...
Any idea what riptide bushings work in Thunders best. Reckon i want 96a barrels on the bottom as i like a stable set up, especially at the back.

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I went through a long email chain with them on this very subject, they never had a real answer (which I took to mean nothing will).

Personally barrel bottoms on Thunders are meh, they just deaden the turn to me.

Cheers for reply..... Ordered the barrels and street cones anyway. I think I want to deaden the turn! At least get them to lean a little less at the extreme. Even with hard stock shape I can turn all the way til the washer hits the hanger and I'm not even that heavy. Don't wanna tighten them any more as they're already bulging.. I'll give them a go and im sure the pivots won't be a waste of time. The stock ones are squeaking like crazy at the moment.

[FrozenIndustries]

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Hey Guys do you think I can use the baseplate of venture lows 5.25 with a venture lights 5.8 hanger to get a cast venture?

[close]

that's fine.

[close]

Ehhh. Low baseplate is going to have a shorter kingpin than the 5.8 (which they only make in high's). Probably different geometry overall as well. You can always try and see what happens. If the hanger doesn't sit flat against the bottom bushing, or if the kingpin nut barely catches threads, probably not going to work.

[close]

venture hi and venture low bushings are the same exactly height for both top and bottom if i remember correctly. i dont see why it wouldn't work.

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Yeah? Alright. Only have experience with the high's. If the bushings/kingpin are the same height I'd have to imagine a change in geometry is responsible for making them low. Which if that's the case, might be an issue running a high hanger. But if he has both, it wouldn't hurt anything to try.

I've been under the impression that with this iteration of Ventures, the only difference low and high is the hanger. I'd be very curious to see cast plates from lows and highs side-by-side to see if it is actually the case.

[MusclesMarinara]

My go to is Indy 139 standards with aftermarket Indy 90a medium bushings, 8.25 board, 54mm wheels.

Was on a Thunder kick for the last year and had the wider 148s but didn't like the wider ride. Had to go back to 139 Indys after christmas.