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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9600 on: December 20, 2020, 09:00:18 PM »
Anyone ride Thunder 145s? I ride smaller boards, only rode 145s back in 2005 or something like that. Are these low, high or both?

They are low for sure. Team (cast) models are ~49mm, Lights (forged) are ~48mm.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9601 on: December 20, 2020, 09:03:51 PM »
Anyone ride Thunder 145s? I ride smaller boards, only rode 145s back in 2005 or something like that. Are these low, high or both?

Thunder calls them Hiís, but really they are mids. Thunder doesnít make lows (anymore).

Yep. I rode 145 back in the 90s, went up to 147 for a while, but then back on 145 - less weight, quicker flip, it works for me. Even if iím riding an 8, Iíll just put in extra speed rings rather than size up. The 145 and 147 are the same baseplates, the hangers are interchangeable for 145/147, and same trucks height - 49mm with the light baseplates, 50mm with the OG/Team.

https://www.thundertrucks.com/sizing/


Iím currently riding titanium 145 hangers on the OG/Team baseplates (USA), bones yellow, washer top and bottom to correct for thunders. Love it.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9602 on: December 21, 2020, 05:50:42 AM »
Cool thanks. I thought I read no more lows . I think the ones I had in 06 were low but it doesn't sound much different


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9603 on: December 21, 2020, 07:08:06 PM »
I remember someone was looking for Krux DLK kingpins, saw SW has em now:

https://www.skatewarehouse.com/Krux_Downlow_Replacement_King_Pins/descpage-KXRKP.html

Also, I bought some Tensor ATG MagLights and they showed up. Hoping to setup a new board and test em out a bit tomorrow.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9604 on: December 21, 2020, 07:14:10 PM »
Got some Indy aftermarket bushings for my new Indy's.  Took the stock bushings off and they are identical to the replacements. Also, while the hangers were off I went to my closet and pulled out my aftermarket Indy pivot cups. These usually look less shiny/cleaner molding and the new ones are a match as well. So, that has improve with Indy from the move.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9605 on: December 21, 2020, 09:27:31 PM »
Got some Indy aftermarket bushings for my new Indy's.  Took the stock bushings off and they are identical to the replacements. Also, while the hangers were off I went to my closet and pulled out my aftermarket Indy pivot cups. These usually look less shiny/cleaner molding and the new ones are a match as well. So, that has improve with Indy from the move.

The aftermarket Indy bushings might look the same but perform differently to the stock bushings, unless they have changed the stock ones since the last lot I got.  Orange in the stock are supposed to be 90 duro, but often harden up considerably, but the aftermarket orange also at 90 tend to start off a bit harder and soften up over time.  Weird but that is what I found.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9606 on: December 21, 2020, 09:42:00 PM »
I have a durometer and they measured identical so that would be super odd. They would have to be a fundamentally different material.

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« Reply #9607 on: December 22, 2020, 12:06:22 AM »
They used to be slightly different color, stock ones being more yellow-ish orange while aftermarket were bright clean orange. All the sets Iíve seen lately has had those bright orange ones stock.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9608 on: December 22, 2020, 12:30:35 AM »
I have a durometer and they measured identical so that would be super odd. They would have to be a fundamentally different material.
They used to be slightly different color, stock ones being more yellow-ish orange while aftermarket were bright clean orange. All the sets Iíve seen lately has had those bright orange ones stock.

That would make sense then, that the stock ones are now the same as the after market ones.

Just funny that they had such different bushings, even some of the stock dark red coloured ones were so hard compared to the other ones, but all the rest of the stock bushings - white, black, another colour and of course orange in the stage 11s were all the same when we tested them, cause some people were tripping on the different coloured bushings in all the various versions of the trucks, mainly the different graphic trucks, eg Thrasher versions, Wes Kremer, Luan Olivera, round cross logo, bar logo, etc.  So many of them.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9609 on: December 22, 2020, 04:55:36 AM »
Is the added heft on Indy 149 Standards really that relevant in transition vs the Titaniums? I'm trying to get a nice compromise setup going with the 149 Titaniums, but I have been skating a giant bowl recently that requires a lot of carving. Since all the transition dudes skate the standards it leaves me wondering whether the reduced weight and height of the Titaniums is a legit concern that would leave me struggling for stability on carves or just another example of a bad artist blaming the instrument. I'm not gonna do 10 foot airs or go around some gnarly abandoned bowl at Mach 10, but I would appreciate a truck that would be easier to flip around.Thanks  :)
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9610 on: December 22, 2020, 08:27:43 AM »
I don't think so....I even think something heavier feels more stable.....

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9611 on: December 22, 2020, 12:19:09 PM »
if you're buying orange aftermarkets, watch out there's fuckery afoot with shop kids swapping their new stock bushing out for aftermarkets.

aftermarkets are more opaque and the stocks are slightly translucent.

i got some orange aftermarkts sent to me like this, they looked brand new but when i looked close, they were slightly sliver where they sat in the hanger and were more trans than aftermarkets. if i hadn't taken apart a lot of new trucks i might not have noticed.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9612 on: December 22, 2020, 12:57:09 PM »
Weird, mine are sitting right here in good lighting and look identical. I might just put them in to not freak out mentally even tho I'm convinced they're the same. They were brand new out of a box from NHS.

Despite feeling pretty damn at home on my Indy's lately and 139 finally feeling normal. I have a stupid itch to go down to 5.2 Low's and stick around 8-8.25. I like narrower trucks quite a bit more, but a 17.25-17.375WB

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9613 on: December 22, 2020, 01:47:16 PM »
if you're buying orange aftermarkets, watch out there's fuckery afoot with shop kids swapping their new stock bushing out for aftermarkets.

aftermarkets are more opaque and the stocks are slightly translucent.

i got some orange aftermarkts sent to me like this, they looked brand new but when i looked close, they were slightly sliver where they sat in the hanger and were more trans than aftermarkets. if i hadn't taken apart a lot of new trucks i might not have noticed.

People have tried that with other bushings too and usually get caught out, but the most annoying one I have heard of is a local shop always upselling to Bones bushings for newbies without even telling the customer, then keeping the Indy stock bushings to sell as plain packaged generic bushings.

Awesome humans!

As to bushing colour, I know I have posted this one before (sorry) but if you check out all up to the second last pic (stock bushings) and the last pic (aftermarket bushings) you can see the difference.

As said, Indy stock are a darker and more murky orange colour, but the aftermarket ones are a lot brighter and more plastic looking, for want of a better explanation but you should get what I mean.  It might not be much, but it is there.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpGf4tGlRyf/


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9614 on: December 26, 2020, 05:37:15 AM »
Do forged baseplates throw off nose/tailslides or is it negligible?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9615 on: December 26, 2020, 06:53:30 AM »
Do forged baseplates throw off nose/tailslides or is it negligible?

They are ever so slightly thinner, but they are stronger, and still slide just as well if not better than the standard cast ones, from what some of the guys I know who skate them a lot.  I have their old gear, including some well worn baseplates, so they would say negligible.
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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9616 on: December 26, 2020, 12:15:06 PM »
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Do forged baseplates throw off nose/tailslides or is it negligible?
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They are ever so slightly thinner, but they are stronger, and still slide just as well if not better than the standard cast ones, from what some of the guys I know who skate them a lot.  I have their old gear, including some well worn baseplates, so they would say negligible.

Perfect answer, thanks.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9617 on: December 27, 2020, 07:21:15 PM »
Have thunder titaniumís being discontinued cause I have not come across since the beginning of the summer

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9618 on: December 27, 2020, 08:42:58 PM »
I bought a pair in August so likely not. And DLX had them when I went there in November.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9619 on: December 28, 2020, 11:38:06 AM »

indy hanger, hollow axle
ace baseplate
ace top bushing
indy conical bottom bushing
suregrip kingpin (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3453430#msg3453430)
bones washer
https://gfycat.com/disfiguredmeaslyangelwingmussel
it's okay. gonna go back to stock ace (sans pivot cups) after this

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9620 on: December 28, 2020, 11:50:39 AM »
Thunder 148 team baseplate non hollows.
Ace low bushings
Ace pivot cups only because the stocks blew out.
This is the dream setup for me. Stable while being able to turn sharp when needed. The pop feel on thunders is the best for me and the setups I ride. The only complaint I ever had was the stock bushings blowing out but now that's solved and I couldn't be happier.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9621 on: December 29, 2020, 05:29:23 AM »

indy hanger, hollow axle
ace baseplate
ace top bushing
indy conical bottom bushing
suregrip kingpin (https://www.slapmagazine.com/index.php?topic=88869.msg3453430#msg3453430)
bones washer
https://gfycat.com/disfiguredmeaslyangelwingmussel
it's okay. gonna go back to stock ace (sans pivot cups) after this

When my ace die I plan on taking an Indy ti hanger to the ace baseplates. Did it feel close to ace ? Was the geo about the same?

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9622 on: December 29, 2020, 05:56:08 AM »
The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

https://youtu.be/Gfk_W3W-xY0

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« Reply #9623 on: December 29, 2020, 06:07:07 AM »
^ I'm sure this was already known, but I was interested to learn that they are planning on releasing the inverted kingpin baseplates separately in March that work with all modern Indys.

I don't really have a need for them myself, but I'd be interested to see how a pair of Stage 11s look with Krux DLKs.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9624 on: December 29, 2020, 07:14:12 AM »
You can buy krux down lo's....I like the design better. 


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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9625 on: December 29, 2020, 07:59:26 AM »
The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

https://youtu.be/Gfk_W3W-xY0

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9626 on: December 29, 2020, 08:01:46 AM »
I'd be interested to see how a pair of Stage 11s look with Krux DLKs.
Just read through the thread and you'll see a few.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9627 on: December 29, 2020, 08:50:06 AM »
The second half of this video does a great job describing the Indy mids. 

https://youtu.be/Gfk_W3W-xY0

Informative video, I mean, compared to most things that one can find regarding skateboard equipment.

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Re: Truck set-ups
« Reply #9628 on: December 29, 2020, 09:44:11 AM »
When my ace die I plan on taking an Indy ti hanger to the ace baseplates. Did it feel close to ace ? Was the geo about the same?
about the same, yes. i can feel the height difference, though. it's a little more tipsy and less stable than ace. also, the distance from the pivot to kingpin is shorter on ace and indy hangers are a bit taller. when combined, the yoke will be at a slight downward angle (compared to stock indy) and the top bushing won't sit properly. others have tried this combination and haven't mentioned this, so it's most likely not that big of a deal. but yeah, feels more like an ace

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« Reply #9629 on: December 29, 2020, 12:05:22 PM »
I've ran Indy hangers on Ace baseplates and as long as the bottom bushing is an Ace or Krux with the included bottom washer, the top bushing sits fine for whatever bushing you choose.